Thinking about switching to Pimax from vive pro. 5k+ 8k or 5k Xr??

[rowdyb00t]

I’ve watched a few comparisons on YouTube but I can’t seem to figure out what’s the best. I have gear VR lenses in my vive pro and the clarity is phenomenal. I don’t what to sacrifice that just to have more FOV. I would like to know some of your opinions on this thanks guys!

[chiliwili69]

It is a really difficult question to answer since my experience is only limited to Pimax5K+.  And Rift/VivePro in the past.

 

I was originally a backer of 8K, but with the Sweviver videos I discovered that the LCD panel has 3 subpixels (RGB) per pixel, but the OLED pentile arrangement only have 2 subpixels per pixel:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/31215-pimax-8k-5k-vr-headsets-coming-to-kickstarter-this-month/?do=findComment&comment=672888

 

 

that´s why you obtain more detailed images on the Pimax5K+, and me and many people switched from 5K+ to 8K.

 

But the colors in the Pimax5K+ are more faded and tend to blue, but this is something was not really affecting me a lot. With the VivePro the color are very vivid but a bit off the real world colors.

It is the same it was happening with Sony or Samsung mobiles phone, the make nice pictures thanks to filters which modify real colors. 

 

If you really like the colors of the VivePro, you should go to 8K or 5K XR. And since rendered resolution is the same then you save money going to 5K XR.

 

If you prefer to have more subpixels per pixel, (ie clarity) then you should go to Pimax5K+.

 

Ideally there should be a specialized shop in VR where a person could try all VR devices on the market and just choose the one which best adapt to his taste. Let´s say for an small fee (15€).

I hope this kind of shops will exist in future to better decide the right headset.

 

[Guest deleted@134347]

I have vivePro and tried 5K+, sold it. The color gamut and contrast is bland/weak on 5K+.   The lens clarity, however, is similar to VPro with GearVR mod. But the color pallet kills it all for me.

 

I'm getting the Index tomorrow. If it doesn't pan out either my next one to try is 5K+ XR something (OLED)...

 

edit 1: XR has worse blacks than the 5K+. ? How's that possible..  8K on the other hand has the sharpest picture somehow.. 

 

edit 2:  reading his video description he mentions this "Also the XR as I said in my first impressions is pretty dark, I had to raise the exposure a bit, still the darkest O.O! Enjoy! ". So he rendered the whole 'test' moot here. Unless you drop the exposure yourself via an external editor. But if he says it's "dark" then the luminescence is bad and you'll be starving for some brightness..

 

 

Edited June 27, 2019 by pomdeterre

[rowdyb00t]

To me it looks like the 8k would be the best choice still not sure though. Wish I could buy all three and return the ones I don’t want!

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

4 hours ago, pomdeterre said:

I have vivePro and tried 5K+, sold it. The color gamut and contrast is bland/weak on 5K+.   The lens clarity, however, is similar to VPro with GearVR mod. But the color pallet kills it all for me.

 

I'm getting the Index tomorrow. If it doesn't pan out either my next one to try is 5K+ XR something (OLED)...

 

edit 1: XR has worse blacks than the 5K+. ? How's that possible..  8K on the other hand has the sharpest picture somehow.. 

 

edit 2:  reading his video description he mentions this "Also the XR as I said in my first impressions is pretty dark, I had to raise the exposure a bit, still the darkest O.O! Enjoy! ". So he rendered the whole 'test' moot here. Unless you drop the exposure yourself via an external editor. But if he says it's "dark" then the luminescence is bad and you'll be starving for some brightness..

[Video]

As you found out quickly (edit 1 and 2), this test isn't very good and doesn't serve anything but generate clicks. It does not even reflect how the picture looks like. That said, clarity is greatest on 5K+.

 

Also, your initial remark is false. The color gamut, if you want to use that term, and the contrast can be altered as of May. With the latest PiTool version from yesterday, you can even address RGB strengths directly.

That's much more than you can do in any other headset and it allows you to dial in your preference properly.

 

And the color palette depends on the game, and your Contrast, Brightness and RGB settings. Again, you cannot adjust that in any other headset.

 

By the way, PiTool lets you save individual per-game settings now as well

Edited June 27, 2019 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Guest deleted@134347]

1 minute ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

This test isn't very good and doesn't serve anything but generate clicks.

 

Also, your initial remark is false. The color gamut, if you want to use that term, and the contrast can be altered as of May. With the latest PiTool version from yesterday, you can even address RGB strengths directly.

That's much more than you can do in any other headset and it allows you to dial in your preference properly.

 

And the color palette depends on the game, and your Contrast, Brightness and RGB settings. Again, you cannot adjust that in any other headset.

 

By the way, PiTool lets you save individual per-game settings now as well

 

be as it may I wish I had access to those knobs 2 months ago. It still doesn't change the fact that 5K+ has NO blacks whatsoever. It's just dirty gray. Every gauge in cockpit looked like a cartoon covered in a shiny feathering. But to each his own. You're a big proponent of Odyssey+ and I couldn't stand that HMD either.

 

[rowdyb00t]

How’s the clarity of the 8k compared to the vivepro. Or better yet,which one is the best overall?  Have any of you guys tried all of them? Sorry to sound repetitive but I’m wanting to pull the trigger on one of these things. 

[chiliwili69]

the strange thing in that Tyrel video is that the Pimax5K+ is clearly better to read text in the last part of the video, but if you look to the F1 car numbers in the car console they are better in the Pimax8K. So, how this can be?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

14 hours ago, pomdeterre said:

 

be as it may I wish I had access to those knobs 2 months ago. It still doesn't change the fact that 5K+ has NO blacks whatsoever. It's just dirty gray. Every gauge in cockpit looked like a cartoon covered in a shiny feathering. But to each his own. You're a big proponent of Odyssey+ and I couldn't stand that HMD either.

 

I'm not a big proponent of the Odyssey+, I didn't possess it. 

 

The 5K+ has very nice blacks. And, to top it off, without ghosting and black smear, which I've seen in every single OLED Panel so far. Maybe your opinion is tied to your experience with esrly PiTool versions, when it was not optimized yet and you also could neither adjust color nor brightness.

 

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

the strange thing in that Tyrel video is that the Pimax5K+ is clearly better to read text in the last part of the video, but if you look to the F1 car numbers in the car console they are better in the Pimax8K. So, how this can be?

Don't take his lense shots for anything but a video to spend some time with. He's highly inconsistent.

[rowdyb00t]

So I received my 5K+ and I’m not to impressed, at least yet. The fov is awesome but the clarity is nowhere near the vive pro with the gear vr lenses. I noticed also how taxing it is on the FPS   I wonder if I’m missing something in the tweaks on pitool. I really was hoping to be surprised by the pimax. Does anyone have any suggestions on the settings. I don’t want to get rid of it just yet. Also the cockpits all seem larger than they were on the vive pro. I have a 1080ti and Ryzen 5 2600x. 32g of ram and tons of ssd. The vive runs at about 80fps and the pimax was at 56fps on average. Hopefully someone can give me some pointers 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

What you said means you have false settings. The clarity is much better than the Vive Pro's and there is less SDE as well.

 

Check my settings thread, it's all there already. If you missed a single point in it, (e.g. using large FOV instead of normal, or skipping the SteamVR settings mod), you would have a suboptimal experience instead.

 

I recommend you follow my guide and make sure to take every step. Also, make sure to erase all previous incarnations of the 3dmigoto (zoom) mod. If you cannot do that, remove the folder 'game' in IL-2%root folder\bin\ and then verify the integrity of the game via Steam.

 

Good luck and have fun. It's like a walkthrough, I tried to make it as structured and easy to follow as possible. ??

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[seafireliv]

The Reverb looks enticing.

[blitze]

On 6/28/2019 at 9:11 AM, chiliwili69 said:

the strange thing in that Tyrel video is that the Pimax5K+ is clearly better to read text in the last part of the video, but if you look to the F1 car numbers in the car console they are better in the Pimax8K. So, how this can be?

Maybe late but with PiTool 1.0.1.144 with vertical screen adjustment +2 both sides - the 8K clarity is much improved for me.

 

I can when taking off from Stalingrad VVS airfield on the North river to the main one, see across the other side to the south and make out the rivers on Stalingrad Winter Map.  It is a huge improvement on before where I could not even see a third of the way.

 

Cockpit gauges are clearer to read and I can also make out markings of other planes at short range.  Before is was a blur.  The 3D effect is better too with much better imaging of geometry including the engine cowl right in front of me.  Looking forward to more improvements in PiTool down the track. ?

 

That and the 8K-X

[seafireliv]

1 hour ago, Helo said:

And with Pimax you can do such adjustments, install 7.1 surround sound plus cooling and of course Pimax with fine adjustment in all directions and flip up ?

 

 

 

It did dawn on me that something similar could be attempted with just about any VR. After all it is like wearing a pair of aviator goggles. All that`s needed is a way to stick over a helmet!

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

@HeloExcellent idea mate, I might have to copy that sometime in the future ?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Wow man, that's something I haven't seen yet! Funniest coolest idea ever

 

SU-27 Russian pilot helmet with Pimax in front ??

[WIS-Redcoat]

On 6/26/2019 at 9:31 PM, rowdyb00t said:

I’ve watched a few comparisons on YouTube but I can’t seem to figure out what’s the best. I have gear VR lenses in my vive pro and the clarity is phenomenal. I don’t what to sacrifice that just to have more FOV. I would like to know some of your opinions on this thanks guys!

 

I was in this exact scenario.  I use the index now, but my VivePro with the lens mod was phenomenal looking.  I was a preorder Pimax 5k guy and sold it immediately after I used it.  

 

In in my opinion, (and I have never used the reverb), my Vive pro was the best looking even to this day.  If you switch headsets, it has to be for other reasons.

[rowdyb00t]

@WIS-Redcoat I agree that the vive pro with the gearvr lens is the best with clarity and color. I bought the 5K+ and used it for a day, I’ll say that the tweaking is a pain but I did manage to get it to look close to the vive. It’s still missing something whether it’s more color or the brightness. Also the vive has way better blacks. I switched back to my vive simply because it runs so much smoother and looks better. I’m going to keep the pimax because I have some hope that the pitool will get better tweaking options. Also my 1080ti didn’t like it so much. I do plan on getting an 2080ti in the near future so maybe I’ll give it another try later. Or maybe save up for XTAL headset! 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Fair enough, the VivePro with the gearvr lenses is probably awesome. I've heard people say they prefer this over anything, be it Pimax or Index. OLED has its inherent advantages which nobody can deny. I'm really curious about a gearvr lensed VivePro, wether it would look better than the Samsung Odyssey (I had the OG, which was crisper than the +).

[rowdyb00t]

1 hour ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Fair enough, the VivePro with the gearvr lenses is probably awesome. I've heard people say they prefer this over anything, be it Pimax or Index. OLED has its inherent advantages which nobody can deny. I'm really curious about a gearvr lensed VivePro, wether it would look better than the Samsung Odyssey (I had the OG, which was crisper than the +).

The vive is hard to beat for the image quality but it is very bulky. What about the XR version of the 5K? Have you experienced it? The color and blacks look similar to the vive but I was worried that the SDE is worse

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I haven't used XR yet. It's been said to have a similar SDE, maybe slightly worse,  PPI after screen utilization is taken into account. Pentile Oled Matrix. If you got a VivePro with gearvr lenses I'd keep that until Pimax8KX releases. True 4K on wider and higher FOV.