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Why there is no option for Bf 110 G2 use GM-1

 

 

The "Bf 110G-2/R2" was a Bf 110G-2 with a nitrous-oxide engine power boost scheme.

The "Bf 110G-2/R5" featured the 37-millimeter cannon, the MK 108 cannon, and nitrous-oxide power boost.

 

 

source: https://www.airvectors.net/avbf110.html

 

 

Would be nice to have since many planes have many different setups to choose from.

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Don't know the specifics of this one, but given the large number of Rüstsatz modifications the Luftwaffe frequently offered for aircraft types, I don't think it is surprising that not every one is modelled. How common were the nitrous-oxide boosted versions?

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5 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 How common were the nitrous-oxide boosted versions?

 

I have no idea.

I've always wondered why there was no GM-1 in Bf 110 G models.

Some of my books that contain info about Bf 110 variants does not mention this either.

 

So now i at least know that there was GM-1 in some 110's


 

Soon i go visit Berlin and i get to see Bf 110 F2 at museum ❤️

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110g2 was made for kuban, why would they made modification that was used on west front? 

and even if they made it axis would cry how their modification that are not ment for that map are locked in campaigns or multiplayer, and so on...

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Yeah you guys are right but i think i made nice find nevertheless :)

Since i did not know that this model even existed ( Maybe it did exists only on paper or on few planes )

 

Really few mentions i have come across with this subvariant.

 

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Id rather be able to swap the 7.92s for 2 mk108s or be able to carry br21 rockets. (Wish our 109g6 could carry those rockets too)

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Any additional options/improvements for the 110 series would be greatly welcomed. I'm all for more engine improvements or armament selection! Otherwise I do not know much else about the topic at hand. I just want to see the glorious 110 get the deluxe treatment she deserves for both variants. :gamer::soldier:

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Any "improvements" to the Bf 110 G-2 would be contingent on the game moving back the timeline into 1943-early 1944 on the Western Front, or by creating a night-bombing campaign centered around the RAF. It was entirely irrelevant to daylight ops by the second half of 1944.

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Heh i just want F2 or some night version, even if night version would be 30-40$. Still would buy it.

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To be brutally honest i kind of wished they made the F2 model instead of the G2 for Kuban. The G2 was only there as a nightfighter and almost played no role in the east, because most units where relocated to the west for the defense of the Reich. The F model was used in Kuban as part of kustenflieger Krim which is just as minor as the sole nightfighter unit. But it was largely used during the Battle of Stalingrad.  In terms of performance i think the differences would not be that big either. The only real drawback is the fact that the G2 has more loadout options. 

 

Grt M 

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Is there even night missions for this unit i have not seen any when i have tested?

I been flying mostly E2 model because i want to progress to Kuban someday.

 

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GM-1 wouldn´t help much. It was heavy and only had benefits in very high altitudes - it also made the plane a bit slower in lower alts.

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U7:

GM 1 nitrous oxide power boost. This could increase the power of the engines by 300 hp for up to 19 minutes, but it reduced the normal performance of the aircraft, and required the removal of the rear firing machine guns and was rarely used. Also known as the R2 kit.

 

From here: http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_bf_110G.html

 

and then there's also this here:

 

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R6

A combination of the GM-1 powerboost and the R3/U9 kit, but with the MG 81Z rear gun retained. This was tested in early 1944 but probably not used.

 

Also, this source does not have the same specs for the R5 as your source in terms of the GM-1 kit. But yeah, it was rarely used.

 

But of course, additional possibilities would always be nice.

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10 hours ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

The G2 was only there as a nightfighter and almost played no role in the east, because most units where relocated to the west for the defense of the Reich.

 

G-2s were also present at Kursk, including an anti-tank staffel equipped with the BK 3.7 cannon.

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1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

G-2s were also present at Kursk, including an anti-tank staffel equipped with the BK 3.7 cannon.

 

That’s true. I forgot about that, and while i understand the devs choice i still would rather have the F2. 

 

Grt M

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Lets just hope they find the time to add the 110-F2 as a premium some day, or throw it in an Italian campaign... or something

 

Im right there with @Joeasyrida about the 110-G2 needing the Br21 and Mk108 for use in online Bodenplatte or offline scenarios. As well as the 109-G6 needing Br21 and Mw-50 for the same reasons. 

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Been flying missions in 10. Nachtjäger Staffel.

I think there are no night missions in career.

 

Why add Bf 110 G2 than F2 if there are no real missions for this night fighter unit?

Last mission was to escort ground attack planes.

 

What we were protecting was Fw 190's.

I have not come across any mission that you get escort when you are ground attacking with Bf 110 in any scenario moscow to kuban.

This is why my career usually ends its the silly ground attack missions where there are 8 fighters waiting that my 4-6 plane ground attack group arrives to the slaughter.

 

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9 hours ago, Godspeed said:

I have not come across any mission that you get escort when you are ground attacking with Bf 110 in any scenario moscow to kuban.

 This is why my career usually ends its the silly ground attack missions where there are 8 fighters waiting that my 4-6 plane ground attack group arrives to the slaughter.

It won't help a lot if you have an escort, as they gangbang on one enemy fighter and let the others, who don't care for their tovarishch either, do their job intercepting you.

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9 hours ago, Godspeed said:

 

I think there are no night missions in career.

 

Yes there are, generally speaking. Have had them recently for Ju87 at Stalingrad. Maybe not for all planes and scenarios?

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7 minutes ago, Nocke said:

Yes there are, generally speaking. Have had them recently for Ju87 at Stalingrad. Maybe not for all planes and scenarios?

 

Most bomber and dedicated ground attack units. He-111, Ju-88, Pe-2, A-20, Ju-87 and Il-2. 

 

Grt M

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4 hours ago, Nocke said:

Yes there are, generally speaking. Have had them recently for Ju87 at Stalingrad. Maybe not for all planes and scenarios?

 

Im speaking of Bf 110 Night Fighter unit on Kuban that does not do night fighting.

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Actually someone complained a couple months ago that all they were getting in their 110-G2 Kuban campaign were just night missions... you cant please everyone...

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2 hours ago, Field-Ops said:

Actually someone complained a couple months ago that all they were getting in their 110-G2 Kuban campaign were just night missions... you cant please everyone...

 

Ok so there are night missions i have not played enough to get them since im trying to progress to Kuban.

I havent managed to survive that long since the ground attack missions will kill everything usually because no escort on the 110 E2 missions.

 

For me its impossible to survive "hundreds" missions always with pure luck.

Carrying 700kg of bombs to target without escort i can say that everyone's luck will run out pretty fast.

Even i can get 3-7 kills on one flight sometimes i cant progress very far what ever timeframe i choose.

 

They should fix the 110 career missions so you at least could get escort on some mission's.

The attrition rate is unrealistic the zerstörer squadrons would be dead in weeks.

 

The last AI patch was good, now my flight can shoot down something but it wont fix the issues in missions themselfs.

For me it seems that the missions that were made for 110's are done in hurry and without real care.

Copy & Paste them from single engined fighter careers wont fit for ground attackers at least not for zerstörer careers.

 

I hope Sturmovik team would look up to this issue or maybe try 110 career themselves so they could fix the 110 careers.

 

 

 

 

 

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pardon for being a little off-topic - but since you are the OP and talking about mission survivability as a ground attacker: I switched to using "easy" settings in the career when doing ground attacking. You then always get decent fighter cover which is in most cases able to handle the enemy fighters, feels quite good and realistic to me, I mostly die then from my own mistakes, like flying straight into  AAA, or plain lawn darting ...

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20 minutes ago, Nocke said:

pardon for being a little off-topic - but since you are the OP and talking about mission survivability as a ground attacker: I switched to using "easy" settings in the career when doing ground attacking. You then always get decent fighter cover which is in most cases able to handle the enemy fighters, feels quite good and realistic to me, I mostly die then from my own mistakes, like flying straight into  AAA, or plain lawn darting ...

 

I play Hard & Iron man.

Because enemy AI is too dumb on any other settings.

 

There is no option to change AI levels only which i have asked for two years now.

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On 6/16/2019 at 2:24 AM, Godspeed said:

Been flying missions in 10. Nachtjäger Staffel.

I think there are no night missions in career.

 

Why add Bf 110 G2 than F2 if there are no real missions for this night fighter unit?

Last mission was to escort ground attack planes.

As an alternative you could fly this scripted campaign, if you want Bf-110G2 night fighter missions for 10.(NJ)/ZG1:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/42263-night-fighters-over-the-kuban/

 

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18 hours ago, Godspeed said:

 

I play Hard & Iron man.

Because enemy AI is too dumb on any other settings.

 

There is no option to change AI levels only which i have asked for two years now.

Goto remember - many flying in WW2 were lucky to have driven a car before getting into flying and then, with flying around mid war stage - there would be many noobs.  Just a general war attrition thing where you will have a smaller group of experten on either side and then the rest are fodder.

 

I gave up on my 110 career in Moscow due to lack of support on ground attack missions.  That was on Normal Setting. Wouldn't mind decent AI too and the ability to also dial in some ground pounder escort support but I might have to try Easy and see how that goes - even if it is a cake walk with AA and enemy flight AI.

 

There is PWCG is needed.

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On 6/13/2019 at 5:01 PM, Godspeed said:

Hi

 

Why there is no option for Bf 110 G2 use GM-1

 

 

The "Bf 110G-2/R2" was a Bf 110G-2 with a nitrous-oxide engine power boost scheme.

The "Bf 110G-2/R5" featured the 37-millimeter cannon, the MK 108 cannon, and nitrous-oxide power boost.

 

 

source: https://www.airvectors.net/avbf110.html

 

 

Would be nice to have since many planes have many different setups to choose from.

cause our G-2 was build for Kuban and the Rüstsätze you are listing are used in Reichsdefense?

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On 6/17/2019 at 12:37 AM, Nocke said:

pardon for being a little off-topic - but since you are the OP and talking about mission survivability as a ground attacker: I switched to using "easy" settings in the career when doing ground attacking. You then always get decent fighter cover

 

I have not seen any escort fighters made for your ground attack flight in Bf 110 career.

Maybe there are more friendly planes in easy in the air but they wont follow you to target.

This is not fix for the issue.

Fix is that they look and fix the career missions since they are made with left hand imo.

 

 

On 6/23/2019 at 2:15 PM, Asgar said:

cause our G-2 was build for Kuban and the Rüstsätze you are listing are used in Reichsdefense?

 

This is true but there are some other thing's like Macchi MC.202 Wing Cannons that did not even exist. ( Only for testing purposes )

Fw 190 A3 is other story.

 

GM-1 is kinda niche and waste of resources of developers even if there are historical place maybe in future.

Right now the real issue is the career and ai which is really bad. ( For some planes worst than others )

 

Since you are tester.

Have you tested Bf 110 E2 units in Moscow/Stalingrad career?

Or E7 Jabo units.

 

Has anyone reported the issues whats been from the start?

 

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53 minutes ago, Godspeed said:

Have you tested Bf 110 E2 units in Moscow/Stalingrad career?

Or E7 Jabo units.

 

Has anyone reported the issues whats been from the start?

It has been mentioned.

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