Absolutely can't control the 190...

[ladlon]

It's odd, though, that (based on the BoS vids I've seen) the BoS 190 DOES appear to have a tailwheel lock toggle, yet the BoK 190 doesn't.  A toggle would be more ideal (for me at least), since it's a touch awkard pulling back while also twisting for rudder (rudder pedals would definitely be a benefit, but I just have the X52Pro, and no pedals).  The keyboard map command for the lock toggle IS there, but doesn't seem implimented for some reason in the BoK 190.

 

Ah, well...  I'm talking 'ideals'... not 'necessities'.  Just takes getting used to.  I seem to be able to land the BoK 190 like a champ, despite how awkward an approach I make... oddly enough!  I'm glad they do have the rudder switch to differential, though.

 

A shame that BoX doesn't allow modifiers... Those are great for doubling (trippling) up the available buttons on the Hotas...  BoX seems to have TONS of commands (more than CloD?), so that really would be helpful.

 

But, ya, it's all much, much better.  Not sure what's different now, but I'm running with it!  The ground spin thing is, ya, seemingly exaggerated (as far as the speed).... but I'm not even going to pretend I know the realities of the real world 190.  If that's how it really is, then all the power to it.  It drove me nuts when it was happening CONSTANTLY in my previous attempts... but now, it's just a rare 'oops' moment, which is still fun.

Edited March 23, 2019 by ladlon

[JonRedcorn]

31 minutes ago, ladlon said:

It's odd, though, that (based on the BoS vids I've seen) the BoS 190 DOES appear to have a tailwheel lock toggle, yet the BoK 190 doesn't.  A toggle would be more ideal (for me at least), since it's a touch awkard pulling back while also twisting for rudder (rudder pedals would definitely be a benefit, but I just have the X52Pro, and no pedals).  The keyboard map command for the lock toggle IS there, but doesn't seem implimented for some reason in the BoK 190.

 

Ah, well...  I'm talking 'ideals'... not 'necessities'.  Just takes getting used to.  I seem to be able to land the BoK 190 like a champ, despite how awkward an approach I make... oddly enough!  I'm glad they do have the rudder switch to differential, though.

 

A shame that BoX doesn't allow modifiers... Those are great for doubling (trippling) up the available buttons on the Hotas...  BoX seems to have TONS of commands (more than CloD?), so that really would be helpful.

 

But, ya, it's all much, much better.  Not sure what's different now, but I'm running with it!  The ground spin thing is, ya, seemingly exaggerated (as far as the speed).... but I'm not even going to pretend I know the realities of the real world 190.  If that's how it really is, then all the power to it.  It drove me nuts when it was happening CONSTANTLY in my previous attempts... but now, it's just a rare 'oops' moment, which is still fun.

Bud, like I said you can use a program called "joytokey" to setup modifiers in box.

 

Download here

 

https://joytokey.net/en/download

 

Setup is extremely easy, you just find the button on your joystick you want to use as the modifier, designate it to be ctrl, or shift, or whatever you'd like, then you can now use that button to imitate that key and use it to double up your controls. No problemo!

[ladlon]

Yep, I know... and I could also use the X52Pro mode dial, too, if I make a custom profile.

 

I'm just saying I wish it was implimented in BoX itself, so you don't have to resort to external programs, that's all...

[Panzerlang]

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Oh boy, look at another game, cite their inability to make tanks drive properly, and somehow conflate that to the absolutely awful ground behavior of aircraft in this game.

 

Holy strawman Batman.

You've totally missed the point. The UE4 engine is a triple-A frontline piece of software with tens of millions put into it over the years. If they can't manage it why do you think 1C can? It's very clearly nowhere as easy as you think it is.

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

 

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

 

Edited March 23, 2019 by Uffz-Prien

[JonRedcorn]

16 minutes ago, ladlon said:

Yep, I know... and I could also use the X52Pro mode dial, too, if I make a custom profile.

 

I'm just saying I wish it was implimented in BoX itself, so you don't have to resort to external programs, that's all...

Yeah it literally takes 30 seconds to setup joytokey but I get your point.

[ladlon]

I still have to fully map out all the controls.  I've just done the basic ones for BoX, as I only recently moved over from the previous IL-2's.

 

I haven't done any of the bomber commands, but I suspect I won't need to do as much there, since the controls are all onscreen in the BoX version (compared to CloD/1946, where it's a bit more necessary/convenient to have keyboard mappings).

 

Once I get into that, I'll have a better idea of how crowded the mappings may be.  If I run out, I'll look into either doing a X52Pro profile, or using JoyToKey.  Less common/frequent ones can go to keyboard, as opposed to the hotas.

 

I read recently that the X52 profiles are 'buggy', although I can't say I've had any problems, nor know specifically what the issue they are talking about is.  I tend to customize each sim's internal mapping, rather than using the X52Pro profile system, these days.

[JonRedcorn]

1 hour ago, ladlon said:

I still have to fully map out all the controls.  I've just done the basic ones for BoX, as I only recently moved over from the previous IL-2's.

 

I haven't done any of the bomber commands, but I suspect I won't need to do as much there, since the controls are all onscreen in the BoX version (compared to CloD/1946, where it's a bit more necessary/convenient to have keyboard mappings).

 

Once I get into that, I'll have a better idea of how crowded the mappings may be.  If I run out, I'll look into either doing a X52Pro profile, or using JoyToKey.  Less common/frequent ones can go to keyboard, as opposed to the hotas.

 

I read recently that the X52 profiles are 'buggy', although I can't say I've had any problems, nor know specifically what the issue they are talking about is.  I tend to customize each sim's internal mapping, rather than using the X52Pro profile system, these days.

It's always best to just do them yourself. I have all the buttons I need with the t16000 FCS, has the throttle, joystick and rudder pedals. Don't even need a modifier button!

 

Don't forget a lot of commands can be mapped to the same button, stabs and trim, and certain radiators! They are all plane dependent so they can be mapped to the same buttons.

[ladlon]

As Hank Hill and friends would say....  'Yup'.

 

Hey, I'm curious...  What's the deal wtih the module badges under the profile pic?  I know they indicate which modules you have, but I noticed they also come in Bronze, Silver and Gold.  Originally, I thought it was just Bronze and Gold, indicating Standard and Premium, but now that I see there's Sliver as well, that kind of tore that theory.  What determines the colour?

 

(I just noticed now, as I just purchasecd BoBp Premium and BoM Premium (......Ya, I finally took the plunge!)

[JonRedcorn]

15 hours ago, ladlon said:

As Hank Hill and friends would say....  'Yup'.

 

Hey, I'm curious...  What's the deal wtih the module badges under the profile pic?  I know they indicate which modules you have, but I noticed they also come in Bronze, Silver and Gold.  Originally, I thought it was just Bronze and Gold, indicating Standard and Premium, but now that I see there's Sliver as well, that kind of tore that theory.  What determines the colour?

 

(I just noticed now, as I just purchasecd BoBp Premium and BoM Premium (......Ya, I finally took the plunge!)

I honestly have no idea, I don't see silver around too much.

[ladlon]

Well, your BoS badge is silver...  There's also green, too, now that I look around for it.

 

Today, I thought maybe it was how long you've had each module, but that's not right either.  I've had BoK the longest of mine, and bought BoM and BoBp just yesterday... and all mine are bronze except for BoBp.  I'm puzzled what it signifies.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Gold = Premium, purchased in EA

Silver = Standard, purchased in EA

Bronze = either addition, purchased after module full release

 

Mods and Testers also have badges.

[ladlon]

Mystery solved!  Thanks, @II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Bilbo_Baggins]

18 minutes ago, ladlon said:

Mystery solved!  Thanks, @II/JG17_HerrMurf

 

ladlon,

 

Are you able to taxi the Focke Wulf to the runway now? 

[ladlon]

Hi.  Yes, things are much better.  Not sure what exactly I'm doing different, or what factors have changed, but it's no longer constanly spinning and/or refusing to respond properly.  I still get the rare ground loop spin thing, but it's rare, and lets me take control after a quick 360, and get back to things.  Before, it was doing it almost constantly, and often it wouldn't let me turn right, regardless of full right brakes/rudder, etc.  It was really frustrating (as you can see!), but now it's working just fine.  Obviously, you still have to fight it a little, but that's totally normal, and what makes it a sim, afterall.  I was taxiing and taking off fine, quite regularily.  I got her up the in the air, so I'm very happy now!

 

I am simply using regular (both wheel) brakes, and rudder (...as I previously was doing, but now it's been confirmed that the sim DOES in fact switch the rudder controls to differential when needed, so I don't have to have a separate mapping of both differential commands on my hotas, which is a bit of a relief!).   The system of holding the tailwheel locked by pulling back on the yoke is a touch awkward (when combined with yoke twist for the rudder).  I would prefer a lock toggle (which, oddly enough, apparently the BoS 109 does actually have, but the BoK one doesn't), but the pullback system is certainly useable.  You just have to be careful, as it also means full elevator, which is not ideal at takeoff or landing, so you kind of have to balance it.  Release it halfway during takeoff, and apply it only after you've bled some speed on landing (unless you are really keen on a touch-and-go!).  It's all good now...  I grabbed myself the premium versions of BoBp and BoM yesterday, as well.

 

Thanks for checking in!  I very much appreciate the efforts and patience from those who helped me out here!

[Blackhawk_FR]

6 hours ago, ladlon said:

as it also means full elevator, which is not ideal at takeoff or landing,

 

No it's ok don't worry. At take off, you can keep full backward stick until it reach about 100 kph. At landing, once the 3 wheels are on the ground, you pull all your stick backward again to keep the tail against the ground (and so lock the tailwheel with the 190). That's how it's done IRL with tailwheel aircrafts (at least for landing).

Edited March 24, 2019 by F/JG300_Faucon

[ladlon]

Yep, that's what I meant with 'Release it halfway during takeoff'...  You just pull back for the first 'half' (until 100), then you let the plane level out (tail wheel raised, plane on the two front wheels... then when you got enough speed, pull up to lift off).

 

Landings have actually been really easy, oddly enough, even without worrying about locking the tailwheel.  Really surprising, actually!

 

All good...

[Trooper117]

You don't need to 'pull up'... the Dora will fly itself off the ground just like the other 190 versions, even from a 3 point attitude  ?

[Soilworker]

On 3/23/2019 at 10:08 PM, ladlon said:

It's odd, though, that (based on the BoS vids I've seen) the BoS 190 DOES appear to have a tailwheel lock toggle, yet the BoK 190 doesn't.  A toggle would be more ideal (for me at least), since it's a touch awkard pulling back while also twisting for rudder (rudder pedals would definitely be a benefit, but I just have the X52Pro, and no pedals).  The keyboard map command for the lock toggle IS there, but doesn't seem implimented for some reason in the BoK 190.

 

Ah, well...  I'm talking 'ideals'... not 'necessities'.  Just takes getting used to.  I seem to be able to land the BoK 190 like a champ, despite how awkward an approach I make... oddly enough!  I'm glad they do have the rudder switch to differential, though.

 

A shame that BoX doesn't allow modifiers... Those are great for doubling (trippling) up the available buttons on the Hotas...  BoX seems to have TONS of commands (more than CloD?), so that really would be helpful.

 

But, ya, it's all much, much better.  Not sure what's different now, but I'm running with it!  The ground spin thing is, ya, seemingly exaggerated (as far as the speed).... but I'm not even going to pretend I know the realities of the real world 190.  If that's how it really is, then all the power to it.  It drove me nuts when it was happening CONSTANTLY in my previous attempts... but now, it's just a rare 'oops' moment, which is still fun.

Sorry about this but this entire thread is giving me an OCD freak out. ?

 

The BoS 190 is the Fw-190 A3

The BoK 190 is the Fw-190 A5

 

All 4 Fw-190s in BoX have the same tail wheel lock system. 

 

BoX does have modifiers, they're just limited to the Shift, Ctrl, Alt & Windows keys which, as has been said, can be very easily added to joystick buttons with that wonderful piece of software, JoyToKey. 

 

Differential is an adjective, you mean differential brakes or braking. 

 

The X52 is a stick not a yoke, a joke is operated with two hands. 

 

Phew, I feel better now... ?

 

Glad to hear you're progressing with taxiing the 190!

[ladlon]

Hi, Soilworker.  Yes, you are correct about the plane names and the yoke.

 

However, I'm confused, as I saw BoS videos where they appear to use a TOGGLE for the tailwheel lock, and it does exists in the keyboard mapping (yet, as far as BoK, it doesn't appear to work).  I have to check in BoM, now that I have it.... and see if I can find that BoS video again.

 

As far as 'differential', ya, I was just sort of shortforming it.... just like saying diesel, rather than always diesel engine.

 

And I've just been saying that I wished VANILLA BoX would allow modifiers, and not require third party workarounds.

 

But, ya, what you say is certainly not incorrect.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Some other types of aircraft in the series do indeed have a tail wheel lock that can be toggled, but not the FW aircraft.

[Soilworker]

51 minutes ago, ladlon said:

However, I'm confused, as I saw BoS videos where they appear to use a TOGGLE for the tailwheel lock, and it does exists in the keyboard mapping (yet, as far as BoK, it doesn't appear to work).  I have to check in BoM, now that I have it.... and see if I can find that BoS video again.

 

I'm 99% sure you're incorrect about that. 

 

51 minutes ago, ladlon said:

 

As far as 'differential', ya, I was just sort of shortforming it.... just like saying diesel, rather than always diesel engine.

 

I know, I know, just me being OCD. ?

 

51 minutes ago, ladlon said:

 

And I've just been saying that I wished VANILLA BoX would allow modifiers, and not require third party workarounds.

 

 

Yeah I know what you mean, I used to lament the fact you can't use joystick buttons as modifiers, I used to use Logitech's gaming software to bind a keyboard shift key to the pinky button on my G940 stick, it would only let you use shift (etc) as a modifier in the software so you'd have to hold shift down and click the "stop recording" button to get it to work. It did work however, but after a while in BoX it'd fairly consistently stop working at a random point which was very frustrating (especially as I don't have a keyboard in my simpit) so after that JoyToKey was a godsend. 

[56RAF_Stickz]

1 hour ago, ladlon said:

However, I'm confused, as I saw BoS videos where they appear to use a TOGGLE for the tailwheel lock, and it does exists in the keyboard mapping (yet, as far as BoK, it doesn't appear to work).  I have to check in BoM, now that I have it.... and see if I can find that BoS video again.

 

Off top of my head, yaks have tail wheel lock. That uses the keyboard mapping. Should be able to see it used with the yak7 you have from  kuban (not sure, I know the yak1/1b does (but you do not have that) and I am pretty sure the same is true for the yak7). Press the key - unlock tail wheel then use rudder with brakes to steer. Get it straight relock tail wheel. Make sure it is locked when takeoff roll.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

56 minutes ago, Soilworker said:

 

I'm 99% sure you're incorrect about that. 

 

I am 100% sure he is incorrect about that......................

[Soilworker]

16 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

I am 100% sure he is incorrect about that......................

 

I always leave 1%, I've been proven wrong before. ?

[Herne]

well tech chat will I think report that the tail wheel is locked once the stick is held back and the wheel is straight, so he could be forgiven for thinking it is a toggle just from watching videos.

 

SYN_Requiem does some excellent familiarisation vids. It may give answers to some questions you may have :-

 

 

 

[ladlon]

Ha!  Well played, Soilworker!

 

Ya, I really have to find that video where the guy used a toggle on a 109 or 190 in BoS... for my own sanity.  I was fairly sure it was a 109 or 190, as that's what I was trying to find videos on... but either I mistook it for a 109/190 video... or the video guy was wrong!  ?

 

If the video guy was wrong, I'll proudly show that vid, to clear my soiled name.

 

If I was wrong...  Well....  I'm suddenly comment on something completely unrelated, hoping to distract from my newfound shame!

 

Maybe it was all just a dream...

 

Or, as Monty Python would put it...  It's a PUN!

 

Well, regardless...  The truth of the matter is it's not a toggle, and I don't argue that.  I just was confused, as it seemed like BoS had it as a toggle for the 109 or 190, and then they changed it (...according to that video which may or may not show that!).   I'm cool with it, either way (toggle or pullback).  Things are controlling much better now, and it's all a non-issue.

 

Sometimes, things work weird until you post something about it, and then life suddenly makes it work... just to make you look like a fool on the forum! ?

 

I'll live with the embarrassment... as long as the sim now works for me!

 

(I still want to find that vid, though...  hehe)

 

 

@=11=Herne Thanks.  Ya, that's a great video series, isn't it.

Edited March 25, 2019 by ladlon

[=420=Syphen]

Technically it is a toggle in the 190, albeit enabled by holding the stick in the full back position.

The 109's have a toggle on the left hand side of the cockpit, behind and above the throttle that you can see moving. Same spot it would have been in CloD.

 

I rarely taxi with with the tailwheel unlocked in any aircraft. Most aircraft you can keep it locked, give a generous shot of throttle and push the stick forward to unweight the tailwheel. This will give you steering authority with the rudder and brakes instead. 

Edited March 25, 2019 by [CPT]HawkeyeP

[ladlon]

Yep, it's just a LITTLE awkward pulling back AND doing a joystick rudder twist (...for those, like me, who aren't blessed with a physical rudder pedal set).

 

I have to experiment next time on just how far back you have to pull the stick to trigger the lock... Might be locked with relatively gentle pressure (as opposed to the full pressure which I am doing/assuming).

 

All good...

Edited March 25, 2019 by ladlon

[Guest deleted@50488]

The A-3 is still my preferred 190 ingame ?

 

The A-5 is slower, the A-8  cumbersome, the D-9 .... not for the type of 15min sessions I tend to get in online...

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by jcomm

[ladlon]

I noticed there's some other users following this thread who might be having some trouble with ground loops and taxiing in general.  You might want to check out this video (another of the really great Air Combat Tutorial Library series), which goes into depth on the subject, and other taxi related things.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwDXeys5yY

 

It's odd how I had no problem at all with the 109 (which is supposed to be a bit tricky to taxi, due to it's narrow wheel distance), yet (previously) was having a horrific time with the 190, which is considered far easier to taxi (due to its wider wheel space width)....  But, it wouldn't be the first time I defied the laws of the universe.  ?

 

 

[Sokol1]

On 3/23/2019 at 6:08 PM, ladlon said:

A shame that BoX doesn't allow modifiers... Those are great for doubling (trippling) up the available buttons on the Hotas...  BoX seems to have TONS of commands (more than CloD?), so that really would be helpful.

 

IL-2:GB don't allow you set a joy button as modifier for other's joy buttons (like in CloD, DCS) in controls GUI.

 

But game engine support this kind modifier - if you set manually in current.actions file in Input folder.

 

Example, in your profile you have set Button # 1 for fire MG.

 

But want that with your joy pinky* button pressed, this same Button # 1 fire rockets.

 

Your pinky button is Button # 30.

 

Then in current;acions change

 

launch_rockets_command,                           key_return, (or whatever is default setting)

 

For

 

launch_rockets_command,                             joy1_b1+ joy1_b30, 

 

* Premises: your joy had a pinky button, and this button press a DX button.