leu5 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 48 minutes ago, Sokol1 said: leu5 In the "flea market" of the Russian side of this forum sometimes appear L-39 control grips, that is basically the Russian P1-M copy of German KG-12/13, made in metal. Or maybe Cheb2006 can cast one in metal for you - since Baur is "out of KG-13 business". BTW - Just as curiosity VKB has a shelved project of a "KG'ish" grip (not 100% replica) made in metal, but at the best was postponed for... 2030. Redcorn When VKB start sell Gunfighter the only grip options was KG-12A grip, but most of this early buyers don't use this grip, instead Warthog grip, include one used to say that await more than year until MCG PRO was released for test their Gunfigther, seems inconceivable to him touch a... "few buttons grip". I guess that is matter of you creating a topic announcing - here and in DCS forum, that want buy one of this grips that this people will remember of their KG-12A in the drawer. Very interesting, thank you
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, -=NT=-Baur said: How much are you willing to pay for the metal? I think that, If you are able to build a product with good quality and good price. You will get a best-seller product. As you know, many people like the good relation quality/price. 19 hours ago, -=NT=-Baur said: Do you know why I asked?Nobody thinks - how much will a metal stick cost? Metal will be very expensive! After all, we still need to cover the stick handle with rubber. It is better to make it the same plastic. It was a joke. I can not make a formal announcement. However ... I now work together with Virpil ... When anybody invest his money in an expensive gadget usually prefer a thing with enough durability. Plastic joystick usually wear and broken in several months of intensive use. A well build Metal thing have a lot of more endurance against wear, than a cheap plastic thing. 6 hours ago, -=NT=-Baur said: F18 stick has no rubber coating I do not believe that you buy a metal+rubber coating KG13 stick for 250-290 euros. Such products ruin us. I´am Aircrafts Maintenance technician, and i may attest that real Airbus Sidesticks don´t have "rubber coating", they only have a proper paint coating. ...By the way the real Airbus paint finishing of the sidesticks, seem lacquered or hard paint. The rubber is bad for cleaning and disinfection, it's better the polish surfaces, because they don't absorb the dirtiness. Spoiler Edited July 5, 2019 by III/JG52_Otto_-I- 1
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted July 5, 2019 Author Posted July 5, 2019 You transfer the conversation to another channel of the river.Stick KG13 is very specific. The reality of sales shows that most need sticks, on which a lot of buttons! :))And the fact that it was beneficial to do to me or to Cheb2006 is not at all beneficial to large-scale production. By the way, I recommend contacting Cheb2006. We know each other and try to help each other. And I also recommend that you read the interesting topic - http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3133178/MMaister_s_KG13A_project.html#Post3133178/url 1
JonRedcorn Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Sokol1 said: leu5 In the "flea market" of the Russian side of this forum sometimes appear L-39 control grips, that is basically the Russian P1-M copy of German KG-12/13, made in metal. Or maybe Cheb2006 can cast one in metal for you - since Baur is "out of KG-13 business". BTW - Just as curiosity VKB has a shelved project of a "KG'ish" grip (not 100% replica) made in metal, but at the best was postponed for... 2030. Redcorn When VKB start sell Gunfighter the only grip options was KG-12A grip, but most of this early buyers don't use this grip, instead Warthog grip, include one used to say that await more than year until MCG PRO was released for test their Gunfigther, seems inconceivable to him touch a... "few buttons grip". I guess that is matter of you creating a topic announcing - here and in DCS forum, that want buy one of this grips that this people will remember of their KG-12A in the drawer. Good point, I will make a thread and see what happens. Hopefully like you say somebody will have one lying around.
Sokol1 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said: I think that, If you are able to build a product with good quality and good price. A well build Metal thing have a lot of more endurance against wear, than a cheap plastic thing. You may see people complaining that Thrustmaster F-18 AddOn grip is expensive ~$230, and that grip is mass production and just 70/80% in metal, due weight and balance concerns. The shelved VKB KG-12A in metal has - years ago, a estimated price of $200-250 for a three buttons, two HAT grip. Thing is that are not hundred of people around willing in buy KG-12/13 neither another "few buttons grips" even being replica of "badass" fighter, and even less made in metal, that just add cost without practical benefit. Are cases of CH plastic grips made in 90's still working flawless (I have some) and cases of Cougar/Warthog grips shell broken because are cast in metal, jewelry pot metal. Quote Airbus Sidesticks don´t have "rubber coating", they only have a proper paint coating. ... Yes, Airbus stick don't have rubber cover, but Luftwaffe KG grips grips handhold are just a metal tube with Bakelite checkered surface cover, probable why Baur mention the "rubber" for a replica. An issue difficult for MMaister solve in their KG grip. Talking in MMaister remember me another source for KG grip - "all metal", don't know if the maker still in business - price 600 EUR. http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4255604/Luftwaffe_controls_for_simmers Don't help that pictures in topic are now gone. Anyway try PM MMaister in SimHQ. Edited July 5, 2019 by Sokol1
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, -=NT=-Baur said: You transfer the conversation to another channel of the river.Stick KG13 is very specific. The reality of sales shows that most need sticks, on which a lot of buttons! :)) I´m agree that Kg13 is very specific product, for WWII warbirds, because you don´t need more buttons in your stick that you have in the real warbird stick. I suppose that nobody would buy a KG13 replica for playing in StarCitizen or any other space game. ..But contrary to many people thinks, a dozens of different airplanes, Germans and Russian had KG13 grips or a copy of them in the control stick. Spoiler La-7 La-9 Yak-7 y Yak-9 MIG-15 And the best know Germans; Focke -Wulf, and Messerschmitt aircrafts. Edited July 5, 2019 by III/JG52_Otto_-I-
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted July 5, 2019 Author Posted July 5, 2019 Guys, I agree with your arguments. But, unfortunately, this does not bring us closer to the appearance of the KG13 stick in metal.A plastic KG13 stick to get more real. And trust me - I really love my KG13 stick! 1 1
Sokol1 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, JgonRedcorn said: Good point, I will make a thread and see what happens. Hopefully like you say somebody will have one lying around. But even if someone answer, "not all is roses". Happens that in VKB relatively short existence on market they manage in create 4 types of connector for their removable grips and due this now some VKB grips are not compatible with VKB bases. ? Check this detail before buy one.
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, -=NT=-Baur said: Guys, I agree with your arguments. But, unfortunately, this does not bring us closer to the appearance of the KG13 stick in metal.A plastic KG13 stick to get more real. And trust me - I really love my KG13 stick! Obviously a good quality plastic material, with a good finishing would be always better (for producer and for the customer), than a bad metal, prone to corrosion, cracks, and other shits. Baur, i think that you know well, or not? ?
LLv34_Flanker Posted July 9, 2019 Posted July 9, 2019 S! I have Baur´s stick with the KG13 grip and can say I have NEVER been happier with a stick than with this one. It is a solid piece of hardware! As I fly only WW2 planes the buttons are enough on it. My throttle has all the rest I need and on top of that a tracking device for looking around etc. A metal grip would be nice, but the simple reason that it would be a very limited run item just would inflate the price a bit too much for the real benefit. Baur, you still got those pedals? 2
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted July 9, 2019 Author Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 7:47 PM, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said: Baur, i think that you know well, or not? ? You must trust me 2 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said: Baur, you still got those pedals? I use these pedals - 2
LLv34_Flanker Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 S! Baur :) Maybe I should place an order. We had some discussion about it during winter, but I think Virpil has kept you busy :D
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 6:27 PM, -=NT=-Baur said: Guys, I agree with your arguments. But, unfortunately, this does not bring us closer to the appearance of the KG13 stick in metal.A plastic KG13 stick to get more real. And trust me - I really love my KG13 stick! By the way, is there any picture of the VIRPIL KG13 replica grip??... prototype or something??
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted July 26, 2019 Author Posted July 26, 2019 11 hours ago, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said: By the way, is there any picture of the VIRPIL KG13 replica grip??... What changes are you waiting for? ?
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 4 hours ago, -=NT=-Baur said: What changes are you waiting for? ? Materials?? ...it wil be somthing like this ?? ...or better ??
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted July 28, 2019 Author Posted July 28, 2019 It will be absolutely the same plastic. 1
von_Michelstamm Posted September 6, 2019 Posted September 6, 2019 if you're making a warthog compatible version, any chance of a VKB compatible version?
Sokol1 Posted September 7, 2019 Posted September 7, 2019 The option is you get the Warthog compatible version (when available) and install VKB electronic/mechanic adapter for Warthog. VKB's are a kind of "Apple" - compatible only with each other VKB and with limitations (the connector "imbroglio"). Is not feasible/worth other manufactures make products compatible with their electronics without their cooperation, what they will not do. Anyway VKB has their own KG-12A grip - but shortened for desktop use. https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=kg12-series
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 On 7/5/2019 at 6:27 PM, -=NT=-Baur said: Guys, I agree with your arguments. But, unfortunately, this does not bring us closer to the appearance of the KG13 stick in metal.A plastic KG13 stick to get more real. And trust me - I really love my KG13 stick! @-=NT=-Baur I need a new joystick, ... what about the new Virpil KG-13 replica???
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted January 18, 2020 Author Posted January 18, 2020 Hello! I do not have news. So that they can make you happy ?
LLv34_Flanker Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 S! Had some slight issues with my BRD-N + KG13. A few emails later with Baur, all was solved. Superior customer care if you ask me
LizLemon Posted January 19, 2020 Posted January 19, 2020 Didn't Baur mention using checkered rubber for the grips at some point? Does anyone know where he bought it from?
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted January 19, 2020 Author Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, LizLemon said: Didn't Baur mention using checkered rubber for the grips at some point? ... Нет. Я никогда не использовал резину. Наверное это был какой то другой парень Not. I have never used rubber.Probably it was some other guy ? Edited January 19, 2020 by -=NT=-Baur
Sokol1 Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, LizLemon said: Didn't Baur mention using checkered rubber for the grips at some point? Does anyone know where he bought it from? I see in the Russian side of this forum an guy using a diamond checkered rubber mat, seems used for shoes repair, but don't get the name of material. The guy use hot air gun for mold material over the grip (in the case VKB Gladiator lookalike KG-12A), a length process, and after glue. The only other case of DIY checkered is in grip in SimHQ forum, a cast metal replica of KG-13B receive a checkered surface, but the guy only show the result, but don't tell the "secret" neither the material used. Edited January 20, 2020 by Sokol1
ATAG_SKUD Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 Hi Baur, Can you send me a link to the assembly instructions for the BRD-DS? I've tried searching the internet but can't find them. Full assembly, not final assembly. Thanks, Skud
III/JG52_Otto_-I- Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) On 1/18/2020 at 4:50 PM, -=NT=-Baur said: Hello! I do not have news. So that they can make you happy ? @-=NT=-Baur, What do you mean?? .. I must wait, or i can buy the VKB Gunfighter because there will not other options Edited February 27, 2020 by III/JG52_Otto_-I- adding label
ZM12CR8 Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Hi, I'm sorry but unfortunately I can't understand the whole thread. So my question may seem a bit silly. Is it possible to buy the KG13 shown here anywhere? Is it correct that it is compatible with the base of the Thrustmaster Cougar? If so, where can i order? On 7/9/2019 at 4:54 PM, -=NT=-Baur said: You must trust me I use these pedals - And what´s about these pedals?
Sokol1 Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) On 2/13/2021 at 12:26 PM, ZM12CR8 said: Is it possible to buy the KG13 shown here anywhere? No, Baur/BRD is out of business of make KG 13-B grip. You can order one, but is need await manufacture process, from Aviasim-control. http://aviasim-control.com/?id=19 Quote ... it is compatible with the base of the Thrustmaster Cougar? This version don't came with Thrustmaster (or any other base) adapter, is just a tube, you need develop one adapter, in Thingiverse are drawings for print the colar nut. Other user from this forum order one KG 13-B from Aviasim-control, so await for see the solution he adopt. Edited February 15, 2021 by Sokol1 1
Marvel Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 Hi, I am waiting for mine....? https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/14303-kg13-немецкая-рукоятка/ Ciao! M 1
ZM12CR8 Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 14 hours ago, Sokol1 said: You can order one, but is need await manufacture process, from Aviasim-control. http://aviasim-control.com/?id=19 Hello Sokol1 and Thanks for answering. That’s great! Especially since I'm actually planning to use a Microsoft Force Feedback 2 as a base. Do I understand correctly that the KG 13 is supplied without a base but is fully equipped with buttons and is already wired? The manufacturer also seems to have very good rudder pedals on offer. I would also be very interested in them. But unfortunately it seems impossible at the moment to order anything from this site. Therefore I will probably write an email to the manufacturer. 8 hours ago, Marvel said: Hi, I am waiting for mine....? https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/14303-kg13-немецкая-рукоятка/ Ciao! M Hi Marvel, i saw, you are from Italy but you write also in russian language. How was the communication and how did you order? The name of the manufacturer ist Jazz, right? Did you write to him? in russian language? Thanks a lot Greetings Jörg
Sokol1 Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, ZM12CR8 said: That’s great! Especially since I'm actually planning to use a Microsoft Force Feedback 2 as a base. Do I understand correctly that the KG 13 is supplied without a base but is fully equipped with buttons and is already wired? Yes, grip came with functional buttons and wired - looks like 2 wires per button, the side button has 3 wires but probable for just match (in aesthetics) the original, only 2 is required, for use an MS FFB base you use the PCB under FFB grip HAT as connection, since there are an matrix, seems 2x4, the the six wires coming from base in this video: https://youtu.be/iWs7bEXV0uk Can skip use the MSFFB grip PCB, keeping the grip original and use an small piece of breadboard and 1N4148 diodes make a matrix for KG 13-B 5 buttons. And a 3D printed piece for adapter the MS FFB pole to KG 13-B tube. Edited February 16, 2021 by Sokol1 1
J2_Steve Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 I'm ordering from Aviasim at the moment for delivery to the UK As you say the site looks like it only mails to Russia, but like Marvel I emailed to see if delivery to the UK is possible and it is I have an order for 2 KG 13 in progress
Furni Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 I’ve also ordered from AviaSim but have been told he’s running out of parts so there may be a delay not sure if this is weeks or months ☹️
J2_Steve Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Furni said: I’ve also ordered from AviaSim but have been told he’s running out of parts so there may be a delay not sure if this is weeks or months ☹️ Same here, but I'm happy to wait
Furni Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Looks like Jazz is going to be very busy over the coming weeks!
Marvel Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 5:20 PM, ZM12CR8 said: Hi Marvel, i saw, you are from Italy but you write also in russian language. How was the communication and how did you order? The name of the manufacturer ist Jazz, right? Did you write to him? in russian language? Thanks a lot Greetings Jörg Hi Jörg, I use Google translator and I feel good with it. Russian guys understand well. Via email Jazz and me communicating in English, he hasn't problem with English. For info mine grip and other are in short final! ? https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/14303-kg13-немецкая-рукоятка/ I am impatience to have it! Then I will set an interchangeable 32-pin connector to set it in my new arrangement flight sim station. Ciao! M 1
ZM12CR8 Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, Marvel said: Hi Jörg, I use Google translator and I feel good with it. Russian guys understand well. Via email Jazz and me communicating in English, he hasn't problem with English. Thanks Marvel, same here. My first mail to jazz was via google tl, translated into russian. His answer was in eglish. No problems. But i will have to be patient. Don´t know, when he ist able to deliver. But i´m also waiting for my throttle box, ordered by gvl in ukraina. In the meantime i can construct a cockpit...? bye, Jörg 1
Marvel Posted February 22, 2021 Posted February 22, 2021 Very good, Jörg! Do a good job, fella!! Ciao! M 1
SCG_Kimi Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 Hey @-=NT=-Baur do you still make these grips? Im very interested. Can find anything online. And are they vkb base compatible? Id love to!
=VIRPIL=Baur Posted May 24, 2021 Author Posted May 24, 2021 Hi guys! KG13 Grip is no longer produced.
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