If you like salt you're eating Plastic

[DetCord12B]

Or tap water...

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Microplastics found in 90 percent of table salt

 

Microplastics were found in sea salt several years ago. But how extensively plastic bits are spread throughout the most commonly used seasoning remained unclear. Now, new research shows microplastics in 90 percent of the table salt brands sampled worldwide.

 

Of 39 salt brands tested, 36 had microplastics in them, according to a new analysis by researchers in South Korea and Greenpeace East Asia. Using prior salt studies, this new effort is the first of its scale to look at the geographical spread of microplastics in table salt and their correlation to where plastic pollution is found in the environment. “The findings suggest that human ingestion of microplastics via marine products is strongly related to emissions in a given region,” said Seung-Kyu Kim, a marine science professor at Incheon National University in South Korea.

 

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/10/microplastics-found-90-percent-table-salt-sea-salt/?user.testname=photogallery:2

 

People have been viewing this as an issue of interpretation. I interpret it as eating plastic as a direct result of human environmental impact. You and I are still consuming a synthetic product that's a derivative of petroleum, and regardless of the amount consumed, it's probably a bad thing...

[Bremspropeller]

Plastic is in everything right now. You cannot not eat plastic anymore.

 

It desn't degrade (mostly), it just erodes into very tiny particles that stick onto stuff and that concentrate in animals eating other animals.

So if you're into tuna, you're eating your rollerblades. (Shameless Bill Burr plug)

 

Going vegan won't help much either. There's enough nasty crap in there, too.

[Poochnboo]

6 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Plastic is in everything right now. You cannot not eat plastic anymore.

We treat this planet as if we had someplace else to go if we destroy it. 

[J2_Oelmann]

Its a daily thing everybody can do. Bring your own coffee mug instead of getting a plastic one, get a dedicated shopping bag, bring a tupper-box to the butcher, don't buy water in PET-bottles etc. No need to go fully-vegan-green-nerd to help the planet.

People are complaining about pollution while ordering their choco-caramael-what-ever-latte-to-go from starbucks....

[THERION]

22 minutes ago, raaaid said:

to not think about it im gonna have a smoke and some coffe

 

Good idea - me too, but I've got only plastic cups for the coffee, hmm...

[Thad]

Just now, -IRRE-Therion said:

 

Good idea - me too, but I've got only plastic cups for the coffee, hmm...

Oh yea... some coffee does sound pretty good right now. ?

 

Wait... are polystyrene (foam) cups also deadly? If so I can't even drink my coffee. I have no regular mugs. Crap.

 

To hell with it... we are all going to die eventually.

Edited October 20, 2018 by Thad

[Legioneod]

9 hours ago, Thad said:

To hell with it... we are all going to die eventually.

Pretty much my thoughts on things. No point in worrying about something you can't control.

 

Seems like everyday someone finds out that everything is bad for you.

[ITAF_Rani]

[Bremspropeller]

5 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Pretty much my thoughts on things. No point in worrying about something you can't control.

 

You can control it. Fewer plastic bags are a start.

If everybody does it, things will get better - if everybody shares your attitude, they won't.

[Legioneod]

47 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

You can control it. Fewer plastic bags are a start.

If everybody does it, things will get better - if everybody shares your attitude, they won't.

It's never gonna go away, almost everything in use today uses oil, there is no escape from it. We've become too dependent on it. 

My point wasn't about not caring about the environment, it was about not worrying about things that people say will kill you or is bad for you (sugar, fat, smoking, red meat, etc)

 

The problem isn't necessarily using oil based products, it the fact that we waste it and don't reuse it whenever possible.

 

I'm not against the oil industry or oil products in general but I do agree we need to find other ways of doing things. 

Edited October 21, 2018 by Legioneod

[DetCord12B]

On 10/21/2018 at 5:09 AM, Legioneod said:

It's never gonna go away, almost everything in use today uses oil, there is no escape from it. We've become too dependent on it.

 

Almost a 100% of the materials used in and to construct your home or apartment are made from petroleum or are used in the manufacturing process. Paint, lacquer, wiring, light bulbs, carpeting, tile or wood flooring, cement, bricks, etc etc. This doesn't even take into account the products found inside your residence that you use on a daily basis, including this PC I'm using right now. 

 

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The problem isn't necessarily using oil based products, it the fact that we waste it and don't reuse it whenever possible.

 

Exactly. For a nonrenewable resource we sure use it like we have an endless supply. Still, there are other concerns as well.

 

I mean recent studies from NOAA, the DoE and various other GO's and NGO's have found that we will have depleted almost 50% of the Earth's human consumable resources including Rare Earth Minerals (they're used to manufacture electronics) by 2050. We're gonna have to produce more food in the next 50 years than in the past 8000. Climate change stabilization is a complete and utter pipe dream as we've already surpassed the PPM threshold for the point of no return. It took 30 years to kill half the worlds coral and the rest will be gone in the next 30 years. That's a biome that feeds half a billion people. Then there's the current fresh water crisis. The aquifers that took 10,000 to 20,000 years to fill up, we've depleted in less than a 100.

 

But no, let's focus on pronoun usage and social justice issues. Those are the real concerns after all. [Edited]

 

EDIT/Caveat - I guess I'm a millennial. [Edited]

 

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Edited October 24, 2018 by Bearcat

[Legioneod]

On 10/22/2018 at 2:39 PM, DetCord12B said:

 

Almost a 100% of the materials used in and to construct your home or apartment are made from petroleum or are used in the manufacturing process. Paint, lacquer, wiring, light bulbs, carpeting, tile or wood flooring, cement, bricks, etc etc. This doesn't even take into account the products found inside your residence that you use on a daily basis, including this PC I'm using right now. 

 

 

Exactly. For a nonrenewable resource we sure use it like we have an endless supply. Still, there are other concerns as well.

 

I mean recent studies from NOAA, the DoE and various other GO's and NGO's have found that we will have depleted almost 50% of the Earth's human consumable resources including Rare Earth Minerals (they're used to manufacture electronics) by 2050. We're gonna have to produce more food in the next 50 years than in the past 8000. Climate change stabilization is a complete and utter pipe dream as we've already surpassed the PPM threshold for the point of no return. It took 30 years to kill half the worlds coral and the rest will be gone in the next 30 years. That's a biome that feeds half a billion people. Then there's the current fresh water crisis. The aquifers that took 10,000 to 20,000 years to fill up, we've depleted in less than a 100.

 

But no, let's focus on pronoun usage and social justice issues. Those are the real concerns after all. [Edited]

 

EDIT/Caveat - I guess I'm a millennial. [Edited]

 

We're gonna get to a point one of these days where we are forced to change, that day isn't far from us either.

[Legioneod]

36 minutes ago, DetCord12B said:

 

Too little too late. We've dug ourselves into this grave to such an extent that there is no climbing out. It's just a bit deeper than we initially thought and the repercussions are occurring faster than previously predicted. Political ideology, social issues and concerns, human migratory hiaspora, etc etc. It's all for not. It's all bull#@it. And the way we're going, how we act on the world stage, how we fail to come together to find a solution to a problem that has been known for 40+ years we're given Putin and Trump and Obama. Three of the worst possible global leaders in our history.

 

It terrifies me that my son will grow up in an America that resembles nothing of the one I did. Where food and water rationing are the norm, where electric power is intermittent, and where a likely police state is in existence.

 

We're the only species on this planet that acts exclusively within our own self-interests. That's our downfall. That is what kills us.

 

Troubled times indeed, I knew it was coming but it's still a scary thought.

[Legioneod]

@Danziger 

I'm one of those "idiots".

It's ok though partner, just more confirmation that what the Lord said is true.

Edited October 23, 2018 by Legioneod

[Finkeren]

2 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

@Danziger 

I'm one of those "idiots".

 

My condolences. 

[Legioneod]

Just now, Finkeren said:

 

My condolences. 

No need, I'd rather be an "idiot" than anything else.

[Legioneod]

5 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

You do you, bro. Just don’t throw your garbage in my drinking water, because you think Jesus/Buddha/Mohammed/FSM/the Easter Bunny is gonna pick it up.

Sure thing, I do my best not to litter but at the rate the rest of the world litters I don't think I'm helping much.

[Finkeren]

5 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Sure thing, I do my best not to litter but at the rate the rest of the world litters I don't think I'm helping much.

 

Hey, at least you are doing yours. Then I have absolutely no problem with your beliefs, as long as they don’t harm anyone else.

[Legioneod]

1 minute ago, Finkeren said:

 

Hey, at least you are doing yours. Then I have absolutely no problem with your beliefs, as long as they don’t harm anyone else.

That's the thing about Christian faith, if Christians would actually follow their beliefs the world might actually be a better place. Too many people claim they are Christian then go around hating others and being self centered, and unloving.

 

Anyways, this topic is about the environment and stuff so lets get back on that.

[rolikiraly]

And now they are starting to use CO2 as a refrigerant!! As if there weren't enough CO2 and global warming!

 

 

[Gambit21]

22 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

 

Too little too late. We've dug ourselves into this grave to such an extent that there is no climbing out. It's just a bit deeper than we initially thought and the repercussions are occurring faster than previously predicted. Political ideology, social issues and concerns, human migratory hiaspora, etc etc. It's all for not. It's all bull#@it. And the way we're going, how we act on the world stage, how we fail to come together to find a solution to a problem that has been known for 40+ years we're given Putin and Trump and Obama. Three of the worst possible global leaders in our history.

 

It terrifies me that my son will grow up in an America that resembles nothing of the one I did. Where food and water rationing are the norm, where electric power is intermittent, and where a likely police state is in existence.

 

We're the only species on this planet that acts exclusively within our own self-interests. That's our downfall. That is what kills us.

 

You and I would get along just fine.

[unreasonable]

@DetCord12B said "We're the only species on this planet that acts exclusively within our own self-interests. That's our downfall. That is what kills us".

 

I agree with everything else you have said; the future is indeed bleak for the reasons you give, but I do not agree with this. Actually, every species acts exclusively for it's own interests, and similarly with humans, every species fails to make short term sacrifices for long term benefits.  Evolutionary selection pressure can only act on the current generation: it cannot see into the future and adjust for potential catastrophe.  In theory humans ought to be better at acting for the long term than any other species, but I admit it is hard to make the case that they do so in practice.

 

The difference is that humans have killed off almost all their predators and the worst of their parasites, which are what keep animal and plant populations in check, not some mystical propensity for living attuned to Gaia.  The best way to save the planet would be to ban the use of antibiotics and guns, while starting a mass breeding program for grizzlies, tigers and anopheles mosquitos.  Of course this will never happen: but neither will effective CO2 reduction or banning plastics.

 

I suspect this is why the galaxy seems to be devoid of technologically developed intelligent life: any species that develops technology will have a population explosion and then destroy it's own environment before it can get off it's own planet, so it only exists for an eyeblink on a cosmic timescale. 

 

 

[Ehret]

55 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

I suspect this is why the galaxy seems to be devoid of technologically developed intelligent life: any species that develops technology will have a population explosion and then destroy it's own environment before it can get off it's own planet, so it only exists for an eyeblink on a cosmic timescale.

 

It could be that our technical civilization is one of the very first. If so then destroying self would be the biggest tragedy ever imaginable... All those billions of years, extraordinary luck, countless enduring by all persons in the history, then admirable efforts of our brightest minds - all straight to a crapper...

[Danziger]

Why all the panic over running out of water? Three quarters of the Earth's surface is water. 

[Legioneod]

20 minutes ago, Danziger said:

Why all the panic over running out of water? Three quarters of the Earth's surface is water. 

You joking? Hard to tell.

[Danziger]

30 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

You joking? Hard to tell.

Yes and no. I have always wondered why there isn't an industry on the scale of the petroleum industry dedicated to making undrinkable water drinkable. They could clean out waste water and sea water in huge factories. Bottle it up in plastic water bottles to sell all over the world. Everyone tosses the empty bottles back into the sea. Recycling in action. Nobody would be thirsty. Jobs would be created. Money would be made. 

[Legioneod]

11 minutes ago, Danziger said:

Yes and no. I have always wondered why there isn't an industry on the scale of the petroleum industry dedicated to making undrinkable water drinkable. They could clean out waste water and sea water in huge factories. Bottle it up in plastic water bottles to sell all over the world. Everyone tosses the empty bottles back into the sea. Recycling in action. Nobody would be thirsty. Jobs would be created. Money would be made. 

It's extremely costly to purify salt water, it's much cheaper to just purify waste water or fresh water. Eventually though, the technology and energy cost to purify salt water will get cheaper and better, maybe then we will see it on a larger scale.

[Danziger]

7 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

It's extremely costly to purify salt water, it's much cheaper to just purify waste water or fresh water. Eventually though, the technology and energy cost to purify salt water will get cheaper and better, maybe then we will see it on a larger scale.

It is mostly a question of profitability and necessity. Right now it isn't life threatening so nobody is willing to shell out the coin to make it happen. If we can mine the crust of the Earth for nasty brown gunk and then refine it into petroleum products, I really don't think turning seawater into drinking water would be a problem when we put our minds to it.

[Ehret]

22 minutes ago, Danziger said:

It is mostly a question of profitability and necessity. Right now it isn't life threatening so nobody is willing to shell out the coin to make it happen. If we can mine the crust of the Earth for nasty brown gunk and then refine it into petroleum products, I really don't think turning seawater into drinking water would be a problem when we put our minds to it.

 

Not necessarily... it's possible that the change would need resources which were spend, already. The "brown gunk" is still an energy source, even if mediocre at best when compared to the virgin oil fields decades ago. In fact, no one would bother with the "gunk" if the latter were still in good conditions.

 

Count how much fresh water we are using on the planet and then energy needed to recreate it. It isn't pretty and we have now billions of people who want approach the living standard of the US. The standard which wouldn't be possible without cheap and readily available resources.

[Legioneod]

This is pretty much the direction the world is going

 

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[Bremspropeller]

8 hours ago, Danziger said:

I have always wondered why there isn't an industry on the scale of the petroleum industry dedicated to making undrinkable water drinkable.

 

Because the lack of access to drinking water is mainly a poor people's problem.

As the name implies, there's no money in solving poor people's problems.

[Thad]

I weary of this insipid forum.

 

You are all not addressing the vast number of objects in our lives that require and have petroleum product or plastics in them. How about your cars, boats, cell phones, computer, headsets, game controllers, refrigerators, washers, dryers etc, etc. etc.

 

Products derived from petroleum are everywhere in our lives. Your continuing short and narrow sighted arguments against petroleum and its derived uses are actually rather stupid. Have you or are you willing to give up all of the products I listed above and I'm sure there are even more that could be listed. I doubt it. I perceive you as are just shallow thinking and misleading tree hugging liberals that count on the ignorance of many to espouse your pet unreasoned unthoughtful pet projects.

 

Yes, there is money to be made in a capitalist system where millions of people desire useful products derived from petroleum and these people are willing to pay for them. For that matter, most probably take them for granted and don't even consider them derived from petroleum and even if they do realize this, they still want and buy them.

 

Ok, I'm off my soap box.... which by the way is made of plastic. ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ehret]

Making things from plastics is still very cheap. Imagine the public unrest if prices of the basic necessities (packaging, toothbrushes, multitude of small parts for every gadget) had to increase ten fold. And the extra energy expended machining stuff from metals, wood or glass.

[unreasonable]

47 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Because the lack of access to drinking water is mainly a poor people's problem.

As the name implies, there's no money in solving poor people's problems.

 

Strictly speaking, there is little profit in solving problems at all: much better to have them continue and sell products that temporarily ameliorate the symptoms without solving the underlying problem.  Generally, if capitalists find an actual solution to a problem they suppress it.

 

24 minutes ago, Thad said:

I weary of this insipid forum.

 

You are all not addressing the vast number of objects in our lives that require and have petroleum product or plastics in them. How about your cars, boats, cell phones, computer, headsets, game controllers, refrigerators, washers, dryers etc, etc. etc.

 

Products derived from petroleum are everywhere in our lives. Your continuing short and narrow sighted arguments against petroleum and its derived uses are actually rather stupid. Have you or are you willing to give up all of the products I listed above and I'm sure there are even more that could be listed. I doubt it. I perceive you as are just shallow thinking and misleading tree hugging liberals that count on the ignorance of many to espouse your pet unreasoned unthoughtful pet projects.

 

Yes, there is money to be made in a capitalist system where millions of people desire useful products derived from petroleum and these people are willing to pay for them. For that matter, most probably take them for granted and don't even consider them derived from petroleum and even if they do realize this, they still want and buy them.

 

Ok, I'm off my soap box.... which by the way is made of plastic. 

  

You have completely missed the point of most of the posts in this thread. It is precisely because oil derived products are everywhere and alternate energy and material sources are scarce and expensive that the problem of the planet being trashed - which is very real - cannot be solved.

[Bremspropeller]

It's not about petrolum-based stuff or plastics in general.

It's the lack of a reasonable post-use or recycling-plan.

 

It's dumping electronic waste into Nigeria or filling scores of land with landfills.

Taking a shopping-bag less (or even better: use a reuseable one) isn't tree-hugging; it's intelligent use of resources.

1 minute ago, unreasonable said:

Strictly speaking, there is little profit in solving problems at all: much better to have them continue and sell products that temporarily ameliorate the symptoms without solving the underlying problem.  Generally, if capitalists find an actual solution to a problem they suppress it.

 

That's not how it works. The path of greatest benefits (read: profit) is taken.

Selling boner-pills to rich people is more profitable than curing poor-people issues like malaria.

 

That is one area where the market needs regulation and guidance.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Selling boner-pills to rich people is more profitable than curing poor-people issues like malaria.

 

 

Treating symptoms is what’s profitable, curing anything isn’t. If people stop getting sick, then there goes the profits.

 

This is why pharmaceuticals don’t cure anything, they just treat symptoms.(with poison basically)

[Legioneod]

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Treating symptoms is what’s profitable, curing anything isn’t. If people stop getting sick, then there goes the profits.

 

This is why pharmaceuticals don’t cure anything, they just treat symptoms.(with poison basically)

 

This is one thing I do agree with, I don't trust pharmaceutical companies or very many doctors much.

 

For instance, my dad had some heart trouble and the doctors said he needed stents in his heart, well as soon as he got those stents he died about a month later. Idk, but he seemed to be doing fine without the stents in his heart.

 

I'm not saying he would have lived any longer, when God decides to take you He takes you, but I find it odd that he died right after a procedure that was supposed to help him.

 

 

Funny thing is, home remedies sometimes work better than actual medicine. Cayenne pepper, honey, spiderwebs mixed with honey to heal cuts, etc etc.

I'd rather take a home remedy than man made medicine.

Edited October 24, 2018 by Legioneod

[Gambit21]

To a hammer, everything is a nail.