Me 262 Questions

[ShamrockOneFive]

58 minutes ago, Field-Ops said:

They already made most of the German planes for early 44 so the axis planeset would possibly feel forced into exotic types not normally seen. For someone to buy that plane pack they would need to buy the Kuban pack and the 109G6 collector on top of it to get a full experience. If they want to do more Europe for the early 44 timeframe they would need to go Italy to get a fresh planeset. Its also not like your P47 and P51 razorbacks wont show up in Pacific scenarios so there is that option as well. 

 

Make some good points although I think we could handle it with some pretty familiar types. This would be more of an opportunity to fill out aircraft sets rather than provide anything very unique. A late version of the G-6 fills in some gaps, a FW190A-6 or A-7 would be fine, I'd be pretty excited to see a later war German bomber like a Ju188 or Do217 or one version or another, and then for the Allied side we have a ton like earlier versions of the P-51 (B/C), P-47D with Razorback, B-26 or A-20G, Mosquito, Spitfire IXc or late model Mark Vc, Typhoon IB, etc.

 

But I suppose there would a need to be strategic based on what they may do in the Pacific and elsewhere.

 

Japanese and Italian types would be nice to see more of!

[=RvE=Windmills]

4 hours ago, Field-Ops said:

They already made most of the German planes for early 44 so the axis planeset would possibly feel forced into exotic types not normally seen. For someone to buy that plane pack they would need to buy the Kuban pack and the 109G6 collector on top of it to get a full experience. If they want to do more Europe for the early 44 timeframe they would need to go Italy to get a fresh planeset. Its also not like your P47 and P51 razorbacks wont show up in Pacific scenarios so there is that option as well. 

 

At a certain timeframe you are going to run into the fact that the Germans already have their lineup. An expansion would not have to include German planes, they can make twice the amount of allied planes for an expansion, maybe with some German premiums. Or maybe make 'half' an expansion at a discounted price.

 

The idea that an earlier western front would be impossible due to Germans already having those planes is kinda silly. There's always options.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Windmills

[ShamrockOneFive]

3 hours ago, Windmills said:

 

At a certain timeframe you are going to run into the fact that the Germans already have their lineup. An expansion would not have to include German planes, they can make twice the amount of allied planes for an expansion, maybe with some German premiums. Or maybe make 'half' an expansion at a discounted price.

 

The idea that an earlier western front would be impossible due to Germans already having those planes is kinda silly. There's always options.

 

That's a fair point although I know the devs have maintained an eye towards providing equal numbers of new aircraft for both sides of the conflict.

 

I know they have avoided North Africa but if they intended to do an Italy campaign in some way, having all the German types already wouldn't be a bad thing as it'd let them fill out the ranks of Italian aircraft in a way that had never before been done for example. That'd be interesting.

[CountZero]

Italy map would be best looking in game, so many variety in train like kuban map has but beter 

[sevenless]

6 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

Italy map would be best looking in game, so many variety in train like kuban map has but beter 

 

Italy won´t work. Too big. You need local areas ( say 200x200km) for a map. What would be your suggestion? Monte Cassino, Anzio, Salerno?

[Legioneod]

20 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Italy won´t work. Too big. You need local areas ( say 200x200km) for a map. What would be your suggestion? Monte Cassino, Anzio, Salerno?

Well if the map is anything like Bodenplatte you could probably squeeze most of those areas into one map from the looks of it. Sicily would be nice as well. Anzio and Monte Cassino area would make most sense imo, it would offer a nice long campaign and interesting areas to fight over.

 

One problem with Italy is the airfields imo, many of the Allied strikes took off from islands like Corsica or were pretty far from the lines compared to Bodenplatte from what I know.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Legioneod

[CountZero]

53 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Italy won´t work. Too big. You need local areas ( say 200x200km) for a map. What would be your suggestion? Monte Cassino, Anzio, Salerno?

 

yes, something like this:

 

[Bremspropeller]

Some random thoughts (it's sunday morning and I'm just too lazy to qoute 28 different people):

 

1) +1 for additional VVS late-war fighters. Don't forget a late Airacobra, though (maybe a late Q). That poor little airplane doesn't get enough love IMHO.

2) Nobody loves the P-51A / A-36. Give it a chance!

3) Why not build an "Asset Pack" (similar to DCS - only...better) with all the WF airplanes most sought after, e.g. Typhoon, Mossie, medium bombers. That would give an early access to those airplanes for mission-builders. Release the AI version first and later release the airplanes separately as collector's planes. Asset-Pack customers get the full-version for free or at a good deal.

It would also help financially and would free at least some programming-time for the main-path envisioned by 777.

4) I love the Normandy-idea. DCS will fail in this regard and probably will not take any customers off IL-2.

5) I love the Italy-idea. Sicily, Italy's toenail and the Med islands (Malta, Pantelleria, etc) might fit on one map. Another map farther north might do the rest. Is there a way to shoehorn a map onty Italy so at least one airfield on either Corsica or Sardinia is covered? Does the map have to be oriented towards true North?

6) We need Razorbacks (that includes P-51B,C / Mustang IIIs).

7) I like early P-38s (before the chin-job), but the airplane doesn't really fit into the ETO (I would be more of an orphan MTO thing).

8) New Guinea. Did I say "early P-38s"? Sorry, I got carried away :D

 

 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Bremspropeller

[Pict]

18 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

I personally don´t mind if we can get more than 2 collector planes for BoPl. And also for me Typhoon, Mosquito, A26, B26 and Mustang III which was used by 2 TAF would make excellent additions. For the german side I also would love to see Ju-88 S, 109 G-10, 109 G14/AS and the He111 H20. Let´s see what they possibly include.

 

The Typhoon, while desirable, would be a big ask I think. As far as I'm aware there are very few references for the cockpit and there are no surviving examples...

 

I may be wrong and I would hope so, but if even the Tempest 5 is proving a challenge to gather data on and there are a few still around, the Typhoon will be more difficult

[Bremspropeller]

There is a Typhoon at Hendon, I believe.

[Ehret]

24 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Some random thoughts (it's sunday morning and I'm just too lazy to qoute 28 different people):

 

1) +1 for additional VVS late-war fighters. Don't forget a late Airacobra, though (maybe a late Q). That poor little airplane doesn't get enough love IMHO.

2) Nobody loves the P-51A / A-36. Give it a chance!

 

And the P-400 so we would have complete picture of Airacobras in the east.

The A-36 is (IMHO) the best Mustang with nose guns, air-brakes and more robust radiators.

I'd like to have the P-63-C at some point too... relatively short legged but would do great in the sim, thought would be limited to MP, mostly.

[Pict]

15 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Yes. Normandy would be great. Starting 4/44 with the interdiction missions and ending 9/44 with Market Garden would be perfect.

 

I'd go for a Battle of Dieppe before any D-Day scenario as there was next to no aerial opposition to the allied landings in 1944. 1942 over Dieppe was an entirely different story where you had Spit 5's & early Spit 9's fighting it out with 109's & early 190's.

 

Anytime a map involving the English channel, is mentioned most people think of the BoB or D-Day, but I think of Dieppe, Dunkirk, V-1's, Mosquito intruder raids, Fw-190 intruder raids and much, much more. Apart from D-Day & the BoB, France is a so far a virtually untouched arena for WW2 aerial combat by most flight sims, yet there is so much potential. I really hope that this changes down the line.

[ZachariasX]

21 minutes ago, Ehret said:

And the P-400 so we would have complete picture of Airacobras in the east.

The A-36 is (IMHO) the best Mustang with nose guns, air-brakes and more robust radiators.

You‘d be the only one to think so at that time.

[Ehret]

3 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

You‘d be the only one to think so at that time.

 

Apaches were flying very hard ground attack missions at the time when Axis were far from being broken.

Would you prefer to do bombing runs in the Stuka in the 1943, instead?

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Anything that supports 2/3 out of East, West and Mediterranean is very welcome to me. Hurricane, Hawk 75, Blenheim, Spitfire IX B, P-51B/C, early P-47s, Do 17, more bombers and attackers...

 

Me 262 looks very good and will be interesting but I think once its no more a new toy everyone wants to play with, will become rare, as in 1946. Schnellbombing will be fun.  

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, Pict said:

I'd go for a Battle of Dieppe before any D-Day scenario as there was next to no aerial opposition to the allied landings in 1944. 1942 over Dieppe was an entirely different story where you had Spit 5's & early Spit 9's fighting it out with 109's & early 190's.

 

Depends on how you want to look at it: If you're just considering the day of action, then true. But as pointed out, an April '44 - September '44 timeframe (as indicated by sevenless) would have lots of epic air battles with a richer planeset than '42.

 

1 hour ago, ZachariasX said:

You‘d be the only one to think so at that time.

 

Mosty for political reasons, though.

[ShamrockOneFive]

3 hours ago, Pict said:

 

I'd go for a Battle of Dieppe before any D-Day scenario as there was next to no aerial opposition to the allied landings in 1944. 1942 over Dieppe was an entirely different story where you had Spit 5's & early Spit 9's fighting it out with 109's & early 190's.

 

Anytime a map involving the English channel, is mentioned most people think of the BoB or D-Day, but I think of Dieppe, Dunkirk, V-1's, Mosquito intruder raids, Fw-190 intruder raids and much, much more. Apart from D-Day & the BoB, France is a so far a virtually untouched arena for WW2 aerial combat by most flight sims, yet there is so much potential. I really hope that this changes down the line.

 

On D-Day itself there was minimal opposition... During the entire Normandy campaign there was plenty of dynamic air combat both before and after.

[76IAP-Black]

3 hours ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Anything that supports 2/3 out of East, West and Mediterranean is very welcome to me. Hurricane, Hawk 75, Blenheim, Spitfire IX B, P-51B/C, early P-47s, Do 17, more bombers and attackers...

 

Me 262 looks very good and will be interesting but I think once its no more a new toy everyone wants to play with, will become rare, as in 1946. Schnellbombing will be fun.  

Lets see the me262 as a new technology platform 

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

On D-Day itself there was minimal opposition... During the entire Normandy campaign there was plenty of dynamic air combat both before and after.

Yep`, would be very interesting to see. I'd love to be able to fly over the channel in a P-47D-22 or P-51C and help soften up ground targets before the landings, or do air support after the landings have occurred.

I'd also love to fly a B-26 and drop bombs on the beachhead.

[ZachariasX]

6 hours ago, Ehret said:

 

Apaches were flying very hard ground attack missions at the time when Axis were far from being broken.

Would you prefer to do bombing runs in the Stuka in the 1943, instead?

The A-36 certainly was a more sustainable mount, that for sure. I do admit that for the 1942 timeframe it was an awfully competitive plane (even with the Allison) at low altitude. In terms of bomb load however the old Stuka is certainly in a different class.

 

In the sim, I'd guess that people used it as a 1942 Tempest in hit and run and it would be more effective in that than putting 1000 lbs of bombs somewhere near a target.

 

But for "Battle of Dieppe", it would be a required plane, for sure.

[Bremspropeller]

In 1942 the -51A or A-36 was a hell of a competitive plane down low and as such an ideal fighter-bomber/ attack airplane.

Bomb-load wasn't all that great compared to dedicated attackers, but it had a much better cruising-speed, a good range (not as good as later Mustangs, though) and could fend off fighters if attacked at lo waltitudes.

There was only one ace in the A-36, but there weren't too many around.

 

The RAF made a lot of use of their Mustang I and II airplanes. Particularily when leaning back into France. Many of those were armed recce missions which are very cool.

But that's just me. :)

 

[Pict]

7 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

On D-Day itself there was minimal opposition... During the entire Normandy campaign there was plenty of dynamic air combat both before and after.

 

Agreed, but "there was plenty of dynamic air combat both before and after" the Dieppe landings too, but there was a massive air battle during the landings & there's the difference, like I originally said.

[ShamrockOneFive]

8 minutes ago, Pict said:

 

Agreed, but "there was plenty of dynamic air combat both before and after" the Dieppe landings too, but there was a massive air battle during the landings & there's the difference, like I originally said.

 

Dieppe is pretty interesting too. For sure.

[CountZero]

CloD has map for Dieppe and would only miss few airplanes for it, its best leave that to them.

[=420=Syphen]

15 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

There is a Typhoon at Hendon, I believe.

 

It was in Ottawa, Canada for a couple years and is currently back in UK at RAF Coningsby. 

[SkyrexSkyrex7]

I'm still quite new here, but is speculation limited to WW2 only for some reason?

Considering they are developing new tech for jet aircraft, it could be reasonable to think they want to use it on more than one plane.

And no more jets really flew in the war, apart from the 262. So what would be, if we see a Korean War Expansion down the line, Battle of Yalu for example, with a map of the MIG-Alley.

Although, while many allied (or UN in this case) (jet)aircraft are possible , I can't come up with anything apart from the MIG-15 for the other side...

[SCG_ErwinP]

I found this editorial "What’s the point of the Me262 in Battle of Bodenplatte?" at Stormbirds blog written by @ShamrockOneFive.

It's a good read.

 

And Sham, thank you for the blog, i really loved it!

 

"I’ve often mentioned the Ar234 as a potential for future inclusion and Jason Williams, IL-2’s Lead Producer, has stated that they considered the Ar234 as being a part of the aircraft line-up early on"

 

OMG ?

Edited September 25, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[ShamrockOneFive]

8 hours ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

I found this editorial "What’s the point of the Me262 in Battle of Bodenplatte?" at Stormbirds blog written by @ShamrockOneFive.

It's a good read.

 

And Sham, thank you for the blog, i really loved it!

 

"I’ve often mentioned the Ar234 as a potential for future inclusion and Jason Williams, IL-2’s Lead Producer, has stated that they considered the Ar234 as being a part of the aircraft line-up early on"

 

OMG ?

 

Many thanks!

 

I wouldn't necessarily read too deeply into the Ar234 comment because it was kind of off hand and in passing but by the same token it makes me think that there's a possibility there. Maybe!

[sevenless]

On 9/24/2018 at 2:01 AM, SkyrexSkyrex7 said:

So what would be, if we see a Korean War Expansion down the line, Battle of Yalu for example, with a map of the MIG-Alley.

 

I´m pretty sure they already think into this direction. Whether or not we´ll see them go this way depends on their guesstimate how much sales they would be able to generate with those scenarios. They are a business after all and need to keep the boat floating.

[beresford]

I'll have to dig out my copy of the official Me262 pilot conversion film (available from ihffilm.com).

[BornToBattle]

I really don’t see much use in the 262 unless some AI heavy bombers are introduced. 

[BlackSix]

Two Gruppen (I./KG 51 and II./KG 51) used Me 262 A-2a as fighter-bombers. It will be their main role in the BOBP.

[Talon_]

30 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

Two Gruppen (I./KG 51 and II./KG 51) used Me 262 A-2a as fighter-bombers. It will be their main role in the BOBP.

 

Thanks for the update @BlackSix - do you know if we're getting an A-2 modification?

[BlackSix]

We plan to do both modifications - Me 262 A-2a and Me 262 A-1a for Kommando Nowotny

[Talon_]

Sounds fantastic, thanks!

[Meteor2]

I know, that it was not used in Bodenplatte, but an interesting collector plane for me would be the Do 335 as the fastest piston
fighter of its time (775 km/h accordingly to Wikipedia).

And it fits into the timeframe.

 

[Talon_]

1 minute ago, JG4_Meteor2 said:

I know, that it was not used in Bodenplatte, but an interesting collector plane for me would be the Do 335 as the fastest piston
fighter of its time (775 km/h accordingly to Wikipedia).

And it fits into the timeframe.

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Except there weren't enough made to outfit a single squadron, so good luck finding any use for it. I think most of the flight hours of Do335s consisted of flying to Western Allied airbases to avoid the planes & pilots ending up in Red Army hands...

[Meteor2]

1 minute ago, Talon_ said:

 

Except there weren't enough made to outfit a single squadron, so good luck finding any use for it. I think most of the flight hours of Do335s consisted of flying to Western Allied airbases to avoid the planes & pilots ending up in Red Army hands...

 

Of course, right. But nevertheless interesting for its design and performance.  

[Legioneod]

36 minutes ago, JG4_Meteor2 said:

I know, that it was not used in Bodenplatte, but an interesting collector plane for me would be the Do 335 as the fastest piston
fighter of its time (775 km/h accordingly to Wikipedia).

And it fits into the timeframe.

Not my first choice, though it was one of the fastest piston engined fighters of the war along with the Spitfire and P-47.

 

The thing is too ugly to fly, I'd much rather a Komet or Arado, though I'd like another allied aircraft as a collector since we are only getting one western expansion as far as we know.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

I'm looking forward to using the 262 as a fighter-bomber more than anything else in Bodenplatte, honestly.

Edited October 18, 2018 by 7.GShAP/Silas