Skin 4k Fw 190 A-8

[Madcop]

37 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

I'm in it, last version and I hope definitive.

 

 

Could you send me a "preview privilege" by email ?

 

Madcop.

[E69_julian57]

ok

[Madcop]

7 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

ok

 

[E69_julian57]

Last update
Thanks to Madcop and Cujo_1970 for their great view.

 

Download

https://mega.nz/#!YmYmlYgR!vqCQoOfA8FbFWbsOWyULKbl3foG_b7Ya1FvoQ8hZdNo

[Madcop]

I took her for a flight , she was the queen !

 

 

Madcop

 

P.S. Screenshots sent by email.

 

P.S.2 No email but Wetransfer

Edited November 5, 2018 by Madcop
no email

[CUJO_1970]

Outstanding work Julian!

[E69_julian57]

Thanks and nice screenshots

[E69_julian57]

Skin 4k fw190 A-8   Stab  JG4 

 

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Edited November 7, 2018 by E69_julian57

[Madcop]

Hi Julian ,

 

Another nice "classic". Didn't know this one , any informations ?

[JGr2/J5_W0LF-]

Nice work

[E69_julian57]

Hi Madcop

The profile information, I did not find photos.

[E69_julian57]

Skin 4k  Fw 190 A-8/R12   6/JG 300   Adalbert Korch  1944

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/07/

 

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[szelljr]

47 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

Skin 4k  Fw 190 A-8/R12   6/JG 300   Adalbert Korch  1944

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/07/

 

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https://mega.nz/#!ZiAAlSzA!rO0dTNI9yXSczApvELZn5RNJw2HKKKM1RDBcYcTm1Y8

...why no.15? is not no.5 ?

[E69_julian57]

Hello @szelljr.
The profile is not correct, the information is in the link

[JGr2/J5_W0LF-]

Beautiful Skin mate!

[Madcop]

10 hours ago, 325th_Bugsy said:

Beautiful Skin mate!

 

+ 1

Madcop

 

[fubar_2_niner]

@Julian

 

Wonderful skin yet again my friend, at the chance of sounding repetitive, is there a possibility you will release a skin pack for the A8, as you so kindly did for the A5 ?

 

Very best regards.

 

fubar

[E69_julian57]

All skins created so far  18/ 11/  2018

Pack fw 190 A-7 A-8   42 Skins

https://mega.nz/#!U35EzSYJ!mxEqnOQ0bC8mFXQOyiQaJBYH6ezmX4f7AdsfyFdSJvU

 

[JGr2/J5_W0LF-]

E69_julian57

 

very nicely done sir, thanks!

[E69_julian57]

 

Skin 4k  fw 190 a-8  5 /JG 300   red 3     Piit

 

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[fubar_2_niner]

Many thanks @Julian

 

Fantastic work as usual. May I also add my thanks for the skin pack, much appreciated 

 

Best regards.

 

fubar

[Yankee_One]

Fantastic work Julian!!

 

Great choice!

 

Thanks buddy

[E69_julian57]

2 Skins Fw 190 A7/A8

 

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[Madcop]

Madcop

[SCG_ErwinP]

Great work Julian!
Thank you!

[fubar_2_niner]

@Julian

 

Yet another masterpiece. Thank you so much !

 

Best regards

 

fubar

[E69_julian57]

Skin 4k Fw190 A-8  7/JG54  Thyben

 

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Edited December 19, 2018 by E69_julian57

[Madcop]

Hi Julian

 

 

W.Nr. and little "TU" very well done, as the rest  but please,

watch the black fuselage cross proportion , as well the style and proportion of the number 1.

 

Madcop

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Madcop
forgot cross and number proportion

[E69_julian57]

Ok

[E69_julian57]

Update 1 W.

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[I./JG1_Baron]

JG1 Skinspack: skins are upgraded there: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/39231-skin-4k-fw-190-a-8/?do=findComment&comment=733593

 

Reference: Book: Defenders of the Reich by Eric Mombeek

 

Note: All skins are historical with swastika

 

Contens:

Focke-Wulf 190 A-7 "Red 13", Major Heinz Bär, II./JG1, Rheine, March 1944

 

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Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-7 "White 9", Hptm. Alfred Grislawski, 1./JG1, early 1944

 

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Fw 190 A-7, oberleutnant Wilhelm Krebs, Gruppe Technical Officer, I./JG1, Dortmund, January 1944

 

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Focke-Wulf 190 A-8 "White 23", Stab I./JG1, Greifswald, November-December 1944

 

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Edited February 18, 2019 by I./JG1_Baron

[SCG_ErwinP]

28 minutes ago, I./JG1_Baron said:

OMFG!
Beautiful!!!

[Madcop]

Hello Baron

 

Sorry to be a little hard with you but,

 

There is something totally unfair, if not dishonest  in quoting  very serious and talented Luftwaffe historian author to justify your ignorance about the subject.

 

Please , do not call this "Historical" , but maybe you do not have any idea of what historical means...

 

Again, these skins are very well done and beautiful for the eyes , but totally wrong.

 

You could also use pink colour or whatever you want, I don't care as long as you announce them as "What If skins of Fw 190A from my pure imagination".

 

There are enough "Historical" references about these 3 aircrafts for you to discover.

 

I just hope you will be keen to correct these skins, or put them in a special category like "For your fun only…"

 

Madcop .

 

 

[THERION]

52 minutes ago, Madcop said:

Hello Baron

 

Sorry to be a little hard with you but,

 

There is something totally unfair, if not dishonest  in quoting  very serious and talented Luftwaffe historian author to justify your ignorance about the subject.

 

Please , do not call this "Historical" , but maybe you do not have any idea of what historical means...

 

Again, these skins are very well done and beautiful for the eyes , but totally wrong.

 

You could also use pink colour or whatever you want, I don't care as long as you announce them as "What If skins of Fw 190A from my pure imagination".

 

There are enough "Historical" references about these 3 aircrafts for you to discover.

 

I just hope you will be keen to correct these skins, or put them in a special category like "For your fun only…"

 

Madcop .

 

 

 

Hi Madcop,

 

If there is something wrong with these skins and to you they seem not historical - OK, I can accept your objection. And I will accept, that you may know it

better than others. But, if you criticize those skins may be you could also point out, what is wrong about them? Could you, please?

 

It would really be helpful to us all and especially for the skinner. Thank you.

 

Cheerio

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Madcop said:

 

Please , do not call this "Historical" , but maybe you do not have any idea of what historical means...

 

Pointing out to the allegedely non-historical details would be way more constructive and all can learn something from your knowledge. Or do you happen to woke up this morning on your wrong foot?

 

All the best and happy holidays.

[Atomic_Spaniel]

1 hour ago, Madcop said:

Hello Baron

 

Sorry to be a little hard with you but,

 

There is something totally unfair, if not dishonest  in quoting  very serious and talented Luftwaffe historian author to justify your ignorance about the subject.

 

Please , do not call this "Historical" , but maybe you do not have any idea of what historical means...

 

Again, these skins are very well done and beautiful for the eyes , but totally wrong.

 

You could also use pink colour or whatever you want, I don't care as long as you announce them as "What If skins of Fw 190A from my pure imagination".

 

There are enough "Historical" references about these 3 aircrafts for you to discover.

 

I just hope you will be keen to correct these skins, or put them in a special category like "For your fun only…"

 

Madcop .

 

 

 

Lol - very mature!

[Madcop]

Hi Sevenless, Hi Therion

I didn't wake up this morning on my wrong foot, but I admit I nearly went mad when looking at these skins...and at the reference!

We live in the 21st century and informations (good or wrong) are available for anybody with an Internet connexion.

History of the Luftwaffe units, Paint and markings system of Luftwaffe aircrafts, Geschwaders history, pilot's history etc etc etc...just to name some of them.

I may not know better than others ,but others know better than me for sure. Suffice to find them ... and so, I spent a lot of time in books, dedicated

Luftwaffe forums etc... looking for informations and crosschecking them. Everybody can do that, can't they ? Moreover there are plenty of references on the
well known aircrafts treated by Baron.

As I already told other skinners, the rule is " Do not believe blindly artists illustration or aircrafts profiles ". There are very talented artists around 
with a huge interest in  Luftwaffe history, but each artist has his own perception of colours and reality. Even when based on very good picture of the actual
aircraft some are blind to details that others are seeing !

An example of that can be seen on this very forum. Look at the very nice profile from Thierry Decker illustrating the A-8 from G.Thyben (Hide content)in Julian post.The vertical bar of the fuselage cross is too much back when compared to the black and white picture where we can clearly notice that its vertical arm is on the hatch.

Morality, never spare time when looking at a picture and keep your eyes bright open !

I am not a skinner and don't have any idea how to work with all these templates , gimp, photoshop etc... so I will never criticise this technical aspect of the

artist's work, but will ask him ,as far as possible, if he can correct it or not.

Now for Baron's work, I am sure that with a little bit of personal research he will find the very reason of my post and , yes, a little overreacting.

A hint...I very like the camo colours but I very dislike the obvious wrong theatre markings and nose colours. Fuselage cross is also wrong in one of these

aircraft. I know Eric Mombeek and I sincerely hope that  he is not looking here. As he already mentioned to me, he is not responsible for the profiles

appearing in his books or articles researched and written by him !

Madcop.  ( and feeling better.)

[I./JG1_Baron]

Hi Madcop, 

thanx to your reply. For your information - I saw many many pictures of the planes above, many illustrations, etc. Paradoxly, illustrations are different one to one. Photos of war are fine, but they looks planes in different times. For example White 9. Look on picture and illustration in Mombeeks book - page 222 (Volume III of JG1 history) and check pictures and illustrations on Net (and instruction for plastic model kits for example) . Some pictures (not illustrations) looks White 9 with red wings, some without red ends of the wings. Dillema no? I choose to with red ends of wings (by the way, this camo is at page 222). The same is with others skins. Unfortunately pilots and technics in war did not pictures of the plane for modelers in 21th century, so many details missing. For example camo fields on top of the wings and others. 

I do not claim to have made the most accurate skins in the world, but I think that I have done more or less accurate reconstruction of their appearance from the available materials and their comparisons. That's all. 

 

Best regards and merry Christmas 

 

Baron

Edited December 23, 2018 by I./JG1_Baron

[Madcop]

Hi Baron

 

Glad you have reacted this nice way to my little bit harsh reaction. I thank you for that, and I really apologize if I did hurt you.

 

"Paradoxly, illustrations are different one to one."

That's what I explained...

 

"Some pictures (not illustrations) looks White 9 with red wings, some without red ends of the wings. Dillema no?

I choose to with red ends of wings (by the way, this camo is at page 222)."

If you are talking about Grislawski's White 9, beware of B/W picture. Depending on the type of film, yellow can appear black or  grey.

So that's why you have to check where this aircraft was operated. Yellow wing tips were used on Eastern front and White on Med/Africa. On European front (Reich Verteidigung) coloured wing tips were  seldom.  But I can say that Red has never been observed on wing tips of Luftwaffe AC, and for obvious reason.

As I do not have this book of Eric (It's a shame, I know) I would be curious to know whether Eric mention  colours in his pictures captions.

 

"Unfortunately pilots and technics in war did not pictures of the plane for modelers in 21th century, so many details missing. For example camo fields on top of the wings and others." 

Some pictures exist showing underside and top sides, mostly on crash aircrafts but some in flight also. There are also the official schemes on which you can base your work. Of course with the time passing , these official schemes were "revised" on the field, depending on the events.

 

"I do not claim to have made the most accurate skins in the world, but I think that I have done more or less accurate reconstruction of their appearance from the available materials and their comparisons. That's all. "

 

Believe me, your skins are very nice and your camo scheme of RLM 74-75-76 is O.K. The problem comes from the nose underside. If they were not RLM 76, they were Yellow.

If I were you, but I am not, I would erase all trace of red (except for the RV fuselage band) and add Yellow paint under the noses.

The Stab aircraft should have the Stab markings on the right side also.

Heinz Bär aircraft didn't have black bordered fuselage cross.

For White 9 , W.Nr 430965, Yellow nose underside and Yellow wing tip underside ( but not  on aileron)

For White 23, I do not know this aircraft, but most likely Yellow underside of nose.

 

Best regards and merry Christmas 

 

Madcop  

[I./JG1_Baron]

Thanks for your reply Madcop.

 

About colours of JG1 - they used primary red color, it was mark for direct Riechsdefenders. For example JG300 used red color too. Yes agree that some autors said about Grislawski`s plane that had yellow ends of the wings. In my opinion were in red color. Well, is hard exactly said, this was red - this was yellow. All camoufages from late era of WW2 are and will reconstruction only (i mean Luftwaffe). As i said before - for me is logical if JG1 used red color as primary mark, than used the same color as color of accesories. You are right that white color was for Afrika and Mediterinean (later green), Yellow for East front and Red for homeland. Sure, were more colors on the LW planes - green for Stabstaffel, white for 1. staffel, red (or black) for 2. staffel, yellow for 3. staffel, blue for 4. staffel.

I mean that discusion about LW colors (and about colors of war in common) is not for this thread and maybe need own thread.

 

Best regards

 

Baron

 

Here is Grislawski Fw190A7

 

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P.S. You can see White 23 at page number 278 (Defenders of the Reich, Jagdgeschwader 1, Volume III, 1944 - 1945) In the same book is at the page number 240 photo of the Red 13 with Heinz Bär - and this red 13 have black bordered fuselage cross. It is clearly visible. This picture was one of the references for the skin.

Edited December 23, 2018 by I./JG1_Baron