Developer Diary 198 - Discussion

[SR-F_Winger]

The Bird is looking absolutely awesome. Cant wait to shoot it down and fly in it.
EDIT: If I ever manage to make time to actually fly again. So much to do:( At least my Gear is complete again.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Winger

[ITAF_Rani]

17 hours ago, ST_ami7b5 said:

Maybe the only WWII plane I don't like.
Sry guys

I had the same impression untill I ' v seen a razorback in Duxford.

It s cool, a real bulldog of the air.

I liked see it also during take off

[BlitzPig_EL]

1 hour ago, guidom said:

oh my favourite... can't wait to put it into a dive and break the sound barrier!
 

 

Not possible.  No prop driven aircraft has ever, nor will ever, break the sound barrier, as the flat plate drag of the prop disc cannot be overcome no matter how many BHP you throw at it, nor how many feet up you start your dive at.

[SAS_Storebror]

15 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

No prop driven aircraft has ever, nor will ever, break the sound barrier, as the flat plate drag of the prop disc cannot be overcome no matter how many BHP you throw at it, nor how many feet up you start your dive at.

While I agree that no prop driven aircraft has ever broken the sound barrier, I'd be careful with the rest of the statement.

I don't believe that the claims of WW2 pilots about breaking the sound barrier in a dive are correct either, however...

Spitfire PR.XIX PS852 is known to have reached Mach 0.96 is a dive on 5 February, 1952.

The XF-88 went slightly above Mach 1.0 in a dive, and the propeller efficiency at Mach 1.01 was still 78 percent (see https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930090296.pdf).

This means that probably it's possible to exceed Mach 1.0 in a prop driven aircraft, it's just that no one did that because it made no sense.

And if you don't insist on prop power only, Mach 1.0 at least has been passed with a prop equipped aircraft already.

 

Mike

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

Is it possible to see an expected plane/map release calendar over next months like we had for BoK ?

[RedKestrel]

8 hours ago, Freycinet said:

 

Surely you mean Rubenesque?

I stick by my Botticelli reference, because the P47 is my Venus!

[guidom]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

Not possible.  No prop driven aircraft has ever, nor will ever, break the sound barrier, as the flat plate drag of the prop disc cannot be overcome no matter how many BHP you throw at it, nor how many feet up you start your dive at.

 

don't worry, you're talking to an aerospace engineer my comment was meant as a quip

[TheBlackPenguin]

9 hours ago, Poochnboo said:

I don't think he actually meant the release of the whole module. He means, I believe, the P-47 only. And I'm pretty sure we will see that this year from the looks of it. Hell....maybe even next month! Well...okay...October.

 

Ah, that's probably exactly what he  meant, yes October seems a good guestimate :). 

[unreasonable]

30 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

I stick by my Botticelli reference, because the P47 is my Venus!

 

I have to admit that I have always found the pictures of the Jug on the ground to be unappealing, like a beached whale, but in the air the thing looks powerful while being surprisingly elegant: like a swimming whale.  Junoesque rather than Venus-like.  

 

[Algy-Lacey]

On 8/2/2018 at 3:43 PM, Finkeren said:

Looks awful...

 

 

 

 

 

...ly nice.

 

Good job on the metal surfaces, it’s really shaping up.

 

That polished aluminium looks great...

I wonder if that's something that can be achieved in a custom skin, or if it's coded / included another way?

I'd love a polished metal Spitfire MkIXe, they had some like that fighting over late war Italy.

[Uufflakke]

20 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

 

How...how can you gaze upon the botticellian curves of the P-47 and not feel a stirring in your soul? The P-47 is a fighter as imagined by renaissance painters. Keep your sharp lines and skinny tails. Give me gigantic radials, chunky fuselages and huge proportions or give me death!

 

10 hours ago, Freycinet said:

 

Surely you mean Rubenesque?

 

For my feeling the P-47 has more in common with the voluptious Venus by Rubens than with Boticelli's elegantly curved Venus indeed.

At times the P-47 has similarities with the Venus by Fernando Botero too. 

http://framingpainting.com/painting/venus_1989-12875.html

[JonRedcorn]

2 minutes ago, Uufflakke said:

 

 

For my feeling the P-47 has more in common with the voluptious Venus by Rubens than with Boticelli's elegantly curved Venus indeed.

At times the P-47 has similarities with the Venus by Fernando Botero too. 

http://framingpainting.com/painting/venus_1989-12875.html

I love how shes rocking a tight 6 pack of abs with all that fluff. Must find the secret.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

Just as a reminder to everyone for your safety. 

[catchthefoxes]

If it’s released by October we’ll probably also see some other content with it too, something from FC or TC maybe even BoBP, but I’m sure it’ll be released later this month since it’s almost done and testing takes about two weeks.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

 

I have to admit that I have always found the pictures of the Jug on the ground to be unappealing, like a beached whale, but in the air the thing looks powerful while being surprisingly elegant: like a swimming whale.  Junoesque rather than Venus-like.  

 

 

It's absolutely beautiful.

We have a flying example up this way...I'm going to see it fly again in a few weeks. (along with the Mosquito).

It's a different beauty than the Mustang, but it's a looker no doubt. Huge, and mean looking too.

 

I can't wait to get my hands on it in this sim, and the editor.

Thanks for posting this Jason.

[angus26]

8 minutes ago, =WH=PangolinWranglin said:

Just as a reminder to everyone for your safety. 

Thank you, i was just about to light my celebratory cigar in my p-47. 

[Vortice]

I hope they are going to include some extra-long runways to go with it, because you're going to need them.

[Rjel]

31 minutes ago, =WH=PangolinWranglin said:

Just as a reminder to everyone for your safety. 

I can only imagine the spark it might be for 130+ octane avgas. I don't know if it would be brave or stupid to even want to try.

[BlitzPig_EL]

No aeroplane should be judged by how it looks on the ground.  Period.

 

 

I took that photo at Thunder over Michigan several years ago.

The Thunderbolt is graceful in flight, and that is how she should be judged.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Can't wait to use this plane in the interim until my Lightning comes out!  

[7.GShAP/Silas]

What was the lightning used for in Europe?

[ShamrockOneFive]

3 minutes ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

What was the lightning used for in Europe?

 

The P-38? Long range escort at first. Gradually that job was taken over by the P-51 so the P-38s started being used more for tactical and strike operations which it did fairly well at although the P-38 groups were slowly reduced.

 

Undeniably, the P-38 had a place over Europe, but it was by far the most appreciated and most effective in the Pacific where two engines and its long range were very much in favour right to the end.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

A real work horse, that could take a lot of beating and still fly. 

Hope that is modelled as well. 

There was one which came back, and it was literally turned i to a Swiss cheese. 

[unreasonable]

2 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

A real work horse, that could take a lot of beating and still fly. 

Hope that is modelled as well. 

There was one which came back, and it was literally turned i to a Swiss cheese. 

 

Literally? Now that should certainly be included in the game. 

[=27=Davesteu]

Just in time "ZenosWarbirds" uploaded this video to the Tube:

Note the aluminium: Not glossy, yet reflective.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

                                                        

 

          

[Missionbug]

The P-47 looks awesome, looking forward to seeing it complete.

 

Just a little too shinny for my liking, needs a RAF SEAC colour scheme me thinks to really do her justice.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited August 4, 2018 by Missionbug

[angus26]

49 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

 

Literally? Now that should certainly be included in the game. 

[Rjel]

I hope they can capture the incredible startup sound of the big Pratt and Whitney R-2800 radial. Absolutely nothing sounds like that big radial turning over and starting to fire.

[ITAF_Rani]

Hope the release of american figheters could increase the sell out of the Sim in US !!

Edited August 3, 2018 by ITAF_Rani

[Poochnboo]

43 minutes ago, angus26 said:

Literally? Now that should certainly be included in the game. 

Literally. They weren't able to repair the airplane, so the mess hall made a s%#t load of sandwhiches!

[=621=Samikatz]

38 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Hope the release of american figheters could increase the sell out of the Sim in US !!

 

It would be nice to see some populated US servers so my american and aussie friends get better ping, or when I feel like really late night Il-2

[Talon_]

7 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

 

That polished aluminium looks great...

I wonder if that's something that can be achieved in a custom skin, or if it's coded / included another way?

I'd love a polished metal Spitfire MkIXe, they had some like that fighting over late war Italy.

 

I made this already 

[Ferry]

Can't wait to fly this beauty and made some skins

 

Talon_ and how did you get this ? tried and gave up, thinking that are linked to a diferent material (more metal/glossy) of the 3D object or something... in the code... (sorry offtopic searched on other forums and no one asked/told that )

[MasserME262]

as a german-biased-lover person that I am, I never play or be interested on any american/british/allied planes/tanks/whatever.... except for the Jug... The only thing that makes me want to be born in America during WWII, just to fly one.. damn man, she is gorgeus

[Rjel]

13 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

as a german-biased-lover person that I am, I never play or be interested on any american/british/allied planes/tanks/whatever.... except for the Jug... The only thing that makes me want to be born in America during WWII, just to fly one.. damn man, she is gorgeus

 

If you'd been born in America during WWII, you'd have been 15-20 years too late to fly the P-47. Great you're willing to expand your horizens a touch away from your German bias though.

[MasserME262]

1 minute ago, Rjel said:

 

If you'd been born in America during WWII, you'd have been 15-20 years too late to fly the P-47. Great you're willing to expand your horizens a touch away from your German bias though.

I mean, to be born in a proper time so I am 20-25 by the time WWII is going, lol.

[TheBlackPenguin]

6 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

The P-38? Long range escort at first. Gradually that job was taken over by the P-51 so the P-38s started being used more for tactical and strike operations which it did fairly well at although the P-38 groups were slowly reduced.

 

Undeniably, the P-38 had a place over Europe, but it was by far the most appreciated and most effective in the Pacific where two engines and its long range were very much in favour right to the end.

 

There is a nice article here too with more info:

 

http://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm

 

Most of the long range escort and fighting occurs around 20 to 30 feet (20 thousand was also true during the BoB). Perhaps with VR we should also put people in flight gear and freezers to get more immersion ?. Not all flight suits or pilots were heated.

 

My late father remembered the tail-forked devils heading out over East Anglia, they certainly left an impression on everyone.

[angus26]

1 hour ago, TheBlackPenguin said:

Most of the long range escort and fighting occurs around 20 to 30 feet (20 thousand was also true during the BoB). Perhaps with VR we should also put people in flight gear and freezers to get more immersion ?. Not all flight suits or pilots were heated.

I think I heard somewhere a lot of p-38 pilots were very, very cold (atleast colder than other pilots of other aircraft) due to the fact that the plane lacked a hot engine in the fuselage in front of them. 

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

Here is some P47 footage that just cane out on you tube.