Worst enemy for germans

[dkoor]

Yeah GridiroN thanks for the tip, however the overall situation is usually one 109E vs couple of MiG-3's... there are usually someone nearby but there are no meaningful way to reach/instruct/call for help etc. to friendly Ai... also due to nature of the missions flown I cannot expect to last very long doing turnfights considering the fact that many of those are done over enemy controlled land. Generally speaking, I'd say the most dangerous missions in the long run for me are attack missions... always fought over enemy land, always in a2a inferior fighter to enemy (regarding what matters most - speed), exposed to both enemy fighters and enemy AA defense... as fighter you can choose when to engage and when not to, and you usually have some 'pocket ace' over enemy, as level bomber you should have fighter escort as a rule... etc. etc. maybe IRL was different but in game flying ground attack missions in attack aircraft/armoured fighter is sure to drown your life expectancy rate to rock bottom.

 

Anyhow I guess there will be significantly less of those situations now since I started with PWCG... flew couple of those with new 4.1 PWCG and things look nice so far.

Edited July 11, 2018 by dkoor

[Lensman]

I have a great dislike of the Mig-3. Mostly because my recent missions have been very long bomber escorts and of necessity I have a heavy fuel load whilst fighting the Migs. My bf-109 F4 is always competitive but the Mig-3 can out turn it if my fuel is not less than about 40%. That said, I have a lot of Mig-3 kills under these conditions but it's often quite difficult. P-40s in comparison are the proverbial turkey shoot.

The I-16 is also a nuisance but I'm not concerned about them just irritated that I can't catch them (I often do though).

[Livai]

Every single plane if you can't master your own plane to overcome your own worst enemy,-> you........  ?

 

[JonRedcorn]

The mig-3 is russias gift to us Wings of Liberty allied fighters. By far the best fighter they have going, caught a 109 the other day after about 10 minutes of chasing it, he decided to try a loop after not gaining any distance and that ended his virtual life.

Edited July 11, 2018 by JonRedcorn

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

PE2 is a death sentence..... if the gunners don't get you first, by the time it takes to do enough damage to down it, you have about 20 red fighters on your 6 tearing you apart.

 

It is the ultimate baiting machine.

[ZachariasX]

37 minutes ago, =EXPEND=DendroAspis said:

It is the ultimate baiting machine.

Baiting trap, if you please.

 

The baiting machine is the P-40.

 

Still I cannot understand what makes all those Lufties swarm after the Peshka on the run. If you have a 190 with wing cannons, you can do it if you are a good marksman and good enough as a pilot to NOT have a steady approach while taking your shot.

[Livai]

1 hour ago, =EXPEND=DendroAspis said:

PE2 is a death sentence..... if the gunners don't get you first, by the time it takes to do enough damage to down it, you have about 20 red fighters on your 6 tearing you apart.

 

It is the ultimate baiting machine.

 

Hmmm, depends how other pilots/player use their planes, here some example......

 

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78PiDK5xIeg
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkB2Pk1C374
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq2lEJrQ4bo

[III/JG52_Speedwulf77]

Well,.. Vasilij.. 

to answer your question.. 

From my view as fighter i can only say a p40 and the i16 are most easy, all others depend very much how high they are and most of all who is sitting inside... 

You know me.. when you come with a yak its hard for me, if you come with lag3 on the ground harder, with a friend of yours like aeroCe or ak77 with a lag3 and near ground and you with yak or

la 5n.... I suddenly really , get my ass beaten ;).  I have nochance at all!!  One turning me out like hell and me burni g all my speed and the other letting me no chance to run. 

 

My respect for you guys

The late spit x.. is hard in higher altitudes.. specially when diving and then turn hard.. but more i won t tell you... ? what i also dont like.. 

Cu..

[Ala13_pienoir]

 

Any plane that carries a red star is very dangerous for you If he finds an il2 he will surely kill him ...... and the same will happen to him when he finds a P2 and be very careful with the PO2

In addition to the great secret of the Russian pilots

 

Spoiler

 

 

It's with a lot of love do not be suspicious

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by E69_pienoir

[unreasonable]

E69_pienoir  - posting that cartoon perhaps not the best idea? 

[ethelward]

What is it about? I don't recognize the flag of the liner...

[III/JG52_Speedwulf77]

??? 

What is this now??  

 

[ZachariasX]

 

30 minutes ago, ethelward said:

What is it about? I don't recognize the flag of the liner...

It is about this:

 

Spoiler

 

It is exactly NOT what he meant to say.

 

We should go back focussing on out dear Peshka.

Edited July 12, 2018 by ZachariasX

[unreasonable]

Indeed - perhaps by watching pienoir's amusing recent video on how not to attack one, "better leave". 

[III/JG52_Speedwulf77]

Ahh, okay..   and its really anoying me somehow

 3.IAP_Vasilij has asked a good question... which PLANE on enemy side, you have biggest respect...

so why is it going into politics??????????!!!!!?????? 

 

 

 

[Ala13_pienoir]

 

I am sorry

I'm not interested in politics,

but I see that the image was not very successful

Erased

 

 

I looked for one at random and that one seemed funny to me ... I did not know there was something more behind it

Edited July 12, 2018 by E69_pienoir

[III/JG52_Speedwulf77]

Glad to hear so... 

.. at least for me, IL2 is a GAME not a war

 its about FLYING and i llove those warbirds  and every oponent  " enemy"  who ma,ybe even keeps on kicking my ass is a welcome friend fighter who pushes me to train more harder, like a kungfu master. 

I personally dont want any politics at all, of the past or actuallity, when i put on my VR after work or whole nights on weekends. 

  

[III/JG52_Speedwulf77]

I LOVE IL2 ??

1400h VR    ??----- HAPPY and HIGH !

encantado todo bien  

[HR_Tumu]

On 7/5/2018 at 10:33 AM, =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn said:

 

Even at 8k the F-4 is faster. The Mig is the best Russian at high alt. It´s not the best at high alt

 

Yes.

 

I miss old times flying 1946..... over 8k Mig 3 was better than F4, Here no.

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

It is my experience that the PE2 belly gunner is all omniscience. The top and side gunners need to be respected but they will not nail you to the wall like the 12mm belly gunner.

 

I have taken out a few PE2's this month and I use my better speed etc to make side on slashing attacks and I have reasonable success.

 

However if you make one mistake the belly gunner will "insta kill" you and that is the issue. The belly gunner never just hits your plane it always kills you first shot. And as has been demonstrated that flying past on a steep angle at 700k makes no difference.

 

I find the IMHO always instant kills ridiculous because almost always there is huge engine in the way yet they always hit the pilot...

 

And no I am not a Luftwhiner as I have more often flown Russian than German. So the PE2 issue sticks out like a sore thumb because the German planes do not have the 'insta kill' issue.

[Willy__]

Working as intended comrade... 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Willy__ said:

Working as intended comrade... 

 

Correction: working within the limits of the current AI coding. You know damn well that if the Pe-2 was a German plane, you wouldn't be making these sorts of statements repeatedly. 

[Ala13_pienoir]

 

I will use to put a video with shoehorn here

 

An example of instant death

 

 

 

 

 

I recognize that the tactics were not very good, entering low and from

behind but do not listen or an impact

Edited July 13, 2018 by E69_pienoir

[Cpt_Cool]

That was an ammo explosion, not a pilot snipe. But really, with that kind of approach he got what he deserved. Especially when tracers start to fly at 40s, its time to boogie.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

On 7/12/2018 at 10:28 AM, ZachariasX said:

Baiting trap, if you please.

 

The baiting machine is the P-40.

 

Still I cannot understand what makes all those Lufties swarm after the Peshka on the run. If you have a 190 with wing cannons, you can do it if you are a good marksman and good enough as a pilot to NOT have a steady approach while taking your shot.

 

The thing about Pe-2 is that gunners of other bombers are nowhere near as deadly. It makes Pe-2 considerably more easier to survive in(and an actual threat to fighters that are supposed to eat it easily) than what it probably should be...

[ZachariasX]

6 hours ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

The thing about Pe-2 is that gunners of other bombers are nowhere near as deadly. It makes Pe-2 considerably more easier to survive in(and an actual threat to fighters that are supposed to eat it easily) than what it probably should be...

The gunner in the Peshka has a much better position than in other bombers. It should be deadlier. He also has a reflex sight, so he should be more accurate and have easier aim. And fighers are not supposed „to eat a well flown Peshka easily“. It is a good plane.

 

 

[LeLv76_Erkki]

5 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

The gunner in the Peshka has a much better position than in other bombers. It should be deadlier. He also has a reflex sight, so he should be more accurate and have easier aim. And fighers are not supposed „to eat a well flown Peshka easily“. It is a good plane.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, a reflex sight makes everyone about 400 % more accurate and headshot 109 pilots out to 500 m while they're moving across the view. Me included. I wonder why the gunner of the Il-2 isnt as inhumanely accurate?

 

Once more bombers with reflex sight HMG defensive guns are introduced I wonder if they'll be as deadly to fighters. A straight-flying B-25 should be able to score above 1:1 against Luftwaffe fighters. I guess that at least would be consistent with real life gunner air kill claims...

[ZachariasX]

30 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

Oh yeah, a reflex sight makes everyone about 400 % more accurate and headshot 109 pilots out to 500 m while they're moving across the view. Me included. I wonder why the gunner of the Il-2 isnt as inhumanely accurate?

 

Once more bombers with reflex sight HMG defensive guns are introduced I wonder if they'll be as deadly to fighters. A straight-flying B-25 should be able to score above 1:1 against Luftwaffe fighters. I guess that at least would be consistent with real life gunner air kill claims...

A straight flying B-25 will be the nightmare of any lone 109 tring to get an "easy kill". With double 12.7 mm and good field of fire (especially tail gunner variants) it will take some foresight to get away clean.

 

The reflex sight is more something that made real world operation more effective. In the sim, guns are always aligned and there is no issue with depht of field.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

9 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

A straight flying B-25 will be the nightmare of any lone 109 tring to get an "easy kill". With double 12.7 mm and good field of fire (especially tail gunner variants) it will take some foresight to get away clean.

 

The reflex sight is more something that made real world operation more effective. In the sim, guns are always aligned and there is no issue with depht of field.

 

Of course it'd be a nightmare, 4 heavy guns with good firing arcs and with AI gunners that can hit a fighter moving across their field of fire(let alone one on direct pursuit path) very far. It'd probably be so bad that a 109 should just leave one be unless there was a good opportunity to shoot head-on.

Edited July 14, 2018 by LeLv76_Erkki

[D3adCZE]

1 hour ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

Of course it'd be a nightmare, 4 heavy guns with good firing arcs and with AI gunners that can hit a fighter moving across their field of fire(let alone one on direct pursuit path) very far. It'd probably be so bad that a 109 should just leave one be unless there was a good opportunity to shoot head-on.

*sees B-25*

*commences head on attack*

*gets shredded to pieces by it's frontal 6 guns*

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Pe-2 effectiveness is a combination of AI's very good prediction/tracking of targets, unobstructed field of fire, belt fed gun, and 12.7mm UBT HMG

 

The B-25C in BoBP will be hard to engage, twin .50 cals in top and belly turrets with even better field of fire than the Pe-2. 

 

Imho the problem is the AI's abilty to make quick deflection shots at targets coming at high velocity and approach angles. This happens to all planes, but the Pe-2 has the better conditions to maximize its performance. 

[Livai]

On 7/14/2018 at 7:11 AM, ZachariasX said:

The gunner in the Peshka has a much better position than in other bombers. It should be deadlier. He also has a reflex sight, so he should be more accurate and have easier aim. And fighers are not supposed „to eat a well flown Peshka easily“. It is a good plane.

 

Hahahaha, as long we have pilots like them or sharpshooter Turret-Gunners

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlQ016FpPb0

 

well there was a time where you could fly close to enemies bombers just wondering how passiv the Turret-Gunners are like them, , maybe this is the reason why some still attack from six or fly very close to them

 

BTW take a look how easy it was to shoot them down, too easy or too realistic - who knows?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBtsl9zT-gw

 

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

18 minutes ago, Livai said:

TW take a look how easy it was to shoot them down, too easy or too realistic - who knows

 

Hmmm yeah btw, you know his video is from 2014, so like 83 patches ago. Good job man

 

here is some newer footage of how „easy“ it is to take them down

 

Edited July 15, 2018 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[CountZero]

That video abow is prime example why people complain about to good gunners, all attackers just attack from dead 6 and not mutch faster then bomber and no wonder that in this type of attack bomber gunners hit you, im suprised that fighters were able to do so many attacks without geting hit every time. If atackers attacked from 2-4 or 10-8 and from abow they would cut pe-2 wing and got him in one pass, but geting on his 6 and shooting at it from worst posible position will and should end like in that video. Bad fighter attacks on bombers should not be reworded by making bombers even more vanerable then they are now, just because fighter guys are lazy and expect they just need to get on any airplanes 6 to shoot them down.

Edited July 15, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

Yes sure,  100% hitrate while jinking like a madman. 0 gunner casualties while

eating up 20mm from the rear like cereal. Taking MInengeschoss from 5 different planes to the wings without loosing structural integrity.

 

What is the conclusion? You guys are doing it wrong!!! ??? 

 

I agree the tactics suck, but that it not the point of the video

Edited July 15, 2018 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[L3Pl4K]

16 minutes ago, =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn said:

Taking MInengeschoss from 5 different planes to the wings without loosing structural integrity.

Minengeschoss is sold out at the moment, but you can buy "no dispersion" in the store next door.

[Ala13_pienoir]

With reference to that video, is that possible?
I'm not very scientific, but I smell really bad
In reality it would not be profitable to lose so many 109 to knock down a single P2, 
it would be better to "let it go"
It bothers me to be hit in a Bf110, without even my gunner making a single shot,
 I had at six a couple of Russian fighters trained and harassing and my gunner was smoking a joint
The Russian gunners do not smoke joints?
haha greetings

 

Edit :sorry for the traslate

Edited July 15, 2018 by E69_pienoir

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, E69_pienoir said:

I had at six a couple of Russian fighters trained and harassing and my gunner was smoking a joint The Russian gunners do not smoke joints? haha greetings

You should not forget in the 110 he is not only your gunner, but also the radio operator. Maybe he was searching the frequencies for the latest football (or soccer?) results.

[Finkeren]

3 hours ago, E69_pienoir said:

I'm not very scientific, but I smell really bad

 

I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude, but this gave me a chuckle ?.

 

Again: I’m sorry, I’m the bad guy here.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

10 hours ago, E69_pienoir said:

It bothers me to be hit in a Bf110, without even my gunner making a single shot,

Part of the problem is that the Bf-110 gunner has a terrible firing cone. The thing can barely shoot left or right without damaging its own tail, and it can't shoot directly down its 6.

The only time I've managed to shoot down anything with it is when some idiot sat slightly above and behind me.