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Hi all,

 

I have a question for german pilots: 

 

"Which plane don't you like at most?" I mean, what type of plane is the worst enemy for you, that if you see the contact on the long distance and when you  are getting closer and now you can identify it, so you will tell to yourself "Oh nooo.....my worst ideas came true... lets get out from that place quickly !"

 

 

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There is none. 
I say that "Nooo" when they see me they just dive to deck. Most red players do that. Once i met with Scharfi in the air. And she really tried to trick me out, but anotther random red player came, and our duel was doomed :( 

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Just take the Spit IX and you can do everything the currently best German crates can do, go higher and you'll be progressively superior. Currently the IX is IMHO by a good margin the superior plane in the game.

 

The 190 can't really dive from you, the 109 can't climb from you. It takes three turns to get the average German from your tail in your sights. The competent ones will not turn with you for more than half a circle, but disengage and climb. If you're unmolested then, you can continue the full turn and climb up behind him and at some minutes later you'll have him in your sights again when catching up in the climb. Unless the 109 driver is very, very competent and has no problem of piloting his AC in the very edge (a surprising numbers in MP can do that in a most marvellous way), you can hunt down any German AC unless he gets good company.

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Spitfire IX, it's a beast, it's strong in every aspect. But it's Bodenplatte plane from late '44 with Merlin 66, bigger rudder, guro gunsight etc.

Except Bodenplatte it's La-5FN  and Pe-2 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Spit 9 is a beast but it is out performed by g14 in terms of speed and acceleration until about 5.5k. I come across too many a noob 109 that will try mix it and be shocked that they can't out turn it for some reason and rage quit. Most good 109 pilots can give a fair fight.

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The Spit IX is not best at everything - at lower altitudes the 190-A5 and G-14 can out-run it. The P-39 can keep with the IX for few minutes there, too. The red-line for the Spit isn't too hot either: spec card states only 725km/h.

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Pe-2. Others can be dealt with accordingly. It is not about plane, it is about pilot. 

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21 minutes ago, CSAF-D3adCZE said:

Pe-2. Others can be dealt with accordingly. It is not about plane, it is about pilot. 

You mean the rear gunner?

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From the German perspective it’s the Spit Mk. IX and only that one. You have to fly extremely defensively to deal with that one.

 

I don’t get the angst over the Pe-2. Just attack it outside the field of fire of the rear gunner and go for wings rather than fuselage.

 

From the Soviet perspective it’s not a single aircraft that makes you go “oh no!” it’s the sight of a 109 and a 190 working together as a pair. Those two aircraft supplement each other so damn well and working together two pilots can suppress an entire server.

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5 hours ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

There is none. 

 

That's just because there is no Yak-3 in the sim yet. :P

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7 minutes ago, CrazyDuck said:

 

That's just because there is no La-7 in the sim yet. :P

 

You spelled the plane's name wrong 😛

 

(Let's not start an argument between Yakovlev and Lavochkin bureaus here 😆)

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1 hour ago, Finkeren said:

From the German perspective it’s the Spit Mk. IX and only that one. You have to fly extremely defensively to deal with that one.

 

I don’t get the angst over the Pe-2. Just attack it outside the field of fire of the rear gunner and go for wings rather than fuselage.

 

From the Soviet perspective it’s not a single aircraft that makes you go “oh no!” it’s the sight of a 109 and a 190 working together as a pair. Those two aircraft supplement each other so damn well and working together two pilots can suppress an entire server.

 

 

 

I fly pe2 for majority of my IL2 career. Its just funny how people suggest that you should engage from the side where the gunner can't see - did you forget that PE2 is also not blind? Pilot gets the warning about the approaching enemy. Has plenty of time to figure it out, and with the gunner arcs you don't even have to be half good to be able to get the 109 in the arc within 2-3 seconds after the warning. (looking at the gunner helps you to see where the enemy is coming from, as the gunners keep looking at the edge of their gun arcs, even if realistically they cannot see the aircraft!).

 

The UBS on both upper and lower gunner is an absolute monster. Usually just a scratch on 109's engine means he is out of the game for a while. 

 

Pe2 is also extremely agile in a dive (if you compare it against 109)

 

Front guns can be quite useful if you come across an enemy bomber, especially head-on with he111 can be very fun.

 

And finally you can start discussing the durability. After the recent patches the wings did start to become a bit more prone to falling apart after getting hit with HE, but fuselage hits, or engine hits... I even lived through 109-g6 spamming 108 at me - I came home with half working engine and busted up wings, but managed to survive around 4 30mm hits.

 

 

I see why people think pe2 is the worst. And I also see why I love it so so much. I have no qualms about using something so broken 😄

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7 hours ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

 "Oh nooo.....my worst ideas came true... lets get out from that place quickly !"

 

 

 thats what i say to myself when flying the Mc202 and i spot a 109.

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In SP, my squadmates. Flying formation with them is usually more dangerous than fighting with russians.😉

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I just don't understand why apeshka running home on the deck attracts 109 like honey attracts flies. If it goes at max speed, any haphazard attempt "to get an easy score" will make it end up in the sights of the rear gunner. The best shooting gallery you can have.

 

It gets worse, if you shoot it down, then the next Peshka just spawns faster. You're really working against your team. If a plane is not really scarce, then you don't have to shoot it down. Just make it miss his targets whil your team actually hits.

 

The Peshka is not  that dangerous, people make it dangerous.

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6 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

The Peshka is not  that dangerous, people make it dangerous.

People have a tendency repeat the mistakes they have made in the past and then blame the game for their failure.

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3 hours ago, Finkeren said:

I don’t get the angst over the Pe-2. Just attack it outside the field of fire of the rear gunner and go for wings rather than fuselage.

 

Yeah that's the way I attempt to do it as well (start at about high 3/9 relative to bomber, dive and take a snapshot, climb away to the other side paralel to the bomber and high, repeat),

but there are a couple of issues:

 

1. Pe is quite fast and its not so easy to stay out of rear gunners field of fire, in particular when pilot sees you diving towards him and he starts to dive away from you himself, pointing his deadly tail towards you

2. When Peshkas fly in formation, it's virtually impossible to attack any single one of them wihtout wandering into the field of fire of others

3. Gunners seems to be (to me at least) an upgraded version of Terminator T-1000, not to mention the power of the mighty UBS.

 

In any case, I agree that a coordinated attack of similar number of skilled blue fighters on a Pe-2 formation should leave them obliterated for minimum price.

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10 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

Just take the Spit IX and you can do everything the currently best German crates can do, go higher and you'll be progressively superior. Currently the IX is IMHO by a good margin the superior plane in the game.

 

The 190 can't really dive from you, the 109 can't climb from you. It takes three turns to get the average German from your tail in your sights. The competent ones will not turn with you for more than half a circle, but disengage and climb. If you're unmolested then, you can continue the full turn and climb up behind him and at some minutes later you'll have him in your sights again when catching up in the climb. Unless the 109 driver is very, very competent and has no problem of piloting his AC in the very edge (a surprising numbers in MP can do that in a most marvellous way), you can hunt down any German AC unless he gets good company.

 

When I used to main the Yak-1b, 109s were fish in a barrel. I used to be able to 2v1, 3v1 them and still win (have vids on my channel). Dunno what happened but I've been flying lend-lease planes for some months, and coming back to yaks... I can't get an edge at all on these 109s. I'm losing hard 1v1 over and over. It's like they all collectively decided to stop flying like a drunken honey-badger. 

 

As far as least favourite opponent... Honestly, I've stopped attacking bombers. The issue with hyper accurate gunners is really problematic imo and they really should only be attacked in groups or if you're lucky, extreme deflection where the gunner can't shoot back but usually bombers are escorted by at least 1 fighter even unintentionally so... Tough times for fighter pilots. 

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12 hours ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

"Which plane don't you like at most?"

The one sitting on my 6 with guns blazing.

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Not sure if I can qualify as German pilot, here is the answer anyway - "oh no" is reserved for the enemy plane flying at decisive altitude advantage which apparently saw me first.

About types... not so sure about that. Regardless of sides etc.

I have a firm logic that if you entered the fight in a way that you actually willingly gave any sort of chance to your enemy you did something wrong. Either that, or you are just gaming the game... IRL you can expect to last like matchstick if you willingly follow any other logic.

 

That's why "dead is dead" offline can be really fun too, except when combined with apparently advanced PWCG software.

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2 hours ago, dkoor said:

Not sure if I can qualify as German pilot, here is the answer anyway - "oh no" is reserved for the enemy plane flying at decisive altitude advantage which apparently saw me first.

About types... not so sure about that. Regardless of sides etc.

I have a firm logic that if you entered the fight in a way that you actually willingly gave any sort of chance to your enemy you did something wrong. Either that, or you are just gaming the game... IRL you can expect to last like matchstick if you willingly follow any other logic.

 

That's why "dead is dead" offline can be really fun too, except when combined with apparently advanced PWCG software.

Is the PWCG campaign that good? Is it possible to get missions to attack actual massive bomber raids like in the older IL2 games? I've been dying to run an attack on a large formation. The most I ever get in the dynamic campaign is small formations.

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45 minutes ago, JonRedcorn said:

Is the PWCG campaign that good? Is it possible to get missions to attack actual massive bomber raids like in the older IL2 games? I've been dying to run an attack on a large formation. The most I ever get in the dynamic campaign is small formations.

Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know!

Just very recently I got my hands on PWCG - as I got tired of stock career - only to find that there is some bug in most recent PWCG edition which errors career whenever you get ground attacking mission. Since I practically don't fly air to air missions any more I couldn't really test new PWCG thoroughly... Flew couple of air to air missions and they sure are way better from stock career missions where every mission type is alike... example, when you get enemy river crossing attack mission, you can expect same number of enemies and same unit layout in every mission of the same type.

 

Things I really liked at glance with PWCG - you can actually fly different types of aircraft within the same flight! That makes things much more interesting, for instance you fly FW-190A5 while your wingman fly older A3, also you can customize loadout for every aircraft in flight... those 'little things' make all the difference for me.

 

PWCG shows what is the real potential of this game, and I guess it can be huge.:)

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Working the bugs.  4.0 was a sweeping change.  4.1 will fix the 4.0 bugs and probably introduce new ones, because it too is a big change.  Then 4.1.2 will be dedicated to bug squishing and it will fix the 4.1 bugs without adding more.  So it usually goes when I change thousands of lines of code.

 

Back on topic ... I always hate fighting MiG-3s in a Me109-F4. 

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Agreed with Pat, been going through a Moscow campaign, and I hate the MiG-3 with a passion, just because the match up between it and the F-4 are quite close, and for months it's been the only fighter I've encountered. 

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30 minutes ago, thenorm said:

Agreed with Pat, been going through a Moscow campaign, and I hate the MiG-3 with a passion, just because the match up between it and the F-4 are quite close, and for months it's been the only fighter I've encountered. 

 

The F4 is the MiG's radical superior in every way dude, unless you let the MiG get right up behind you on the deck, then it's 2000hp boost will be a problem. For a high altitude fighter, it's not even that much better at altitude, I think an F4 is still faster unless you're flying at like 8k. 

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19 minutes ago, GridiroN said:

 

The F4 is the MiG's radical superior in every way dude, unless you let the MiG get right up behind you on the deck, then it's 2000hp boost will be a problem. For a high altitude fighter, it's not even that much better at altitude, I think an F4 is still faster unless you're flying at like 8k. 

F4 is faster at all altitudes iirc , but I think the mig can use its boost for longer. Other than that f4 turns better, climbs better, dives better, accelerates better....

 

honestly I think it’s just that when flying 109s people are used to having a huge speed advantage so when they don’t it’s surprising.

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4 hours ago, GridiroN said:

I think an F4 is still faster unless you're flying at like 8k.

 

Even at 8k the F-4 is faster. The Mig is the best Russian at high alt. It´s not the best at high alt

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8 hours ago, thenorm said:

Agreed with Pat, been going through a Moscow campaign, and I hate the MiG-3 with a passion, just because the match up between it and the F-4 are quite close, and for months it's been the only fighter I've encountered. 

 

I am currently on Moscow map in Career flying German, and every time I get assigned an F-2 (more often than not) we seem to get the MiGs.  Even harder to catch in an F-2 without breaking the engine, but can be done if you cut across the circle rather than chasing their tails. Then you have a chance of a deflection shot. They are only dangerous if you lose sight of one: they turn like a supertanker.

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I fear the LA5FN's somewhat cherry-picked performance, but the title of 'worst enemy' still goes to the PE-2.
Now, I don't mean that it is necessarily the most dangerous, but it's unsatisfying and difficult to fight. It can soak even 30mm hits, the gunners trade targets from dorsal to ventral with perfect accuracy and no delay, it's fast and maneuverable and the armament can knock out any german plane with a single hit - Engaging a PE-2 always  comes with a heavy sigh and a 'here we go again'. I just plain don't like fighting them.

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On 7/4/2018 at 12:23 PM, Ehret said:

The Spit IX is not best at everything - at lower altitudes the 190-A5 and G-14 can out-run it. The P-39 can keep with the IX for few minutes there, too. The red-line for the Spit isn't too hot either: spec card states only 725km/h.

The spec says so yes. but you can go up to 830kph in a dive, at 850kph you start loosing parts. that goes for the Mark5 as well.

 

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None - The other pilot might have a better plane, but if they can't use it properly then there is no reason to worry.

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7 hours ago, BFBunny said:

None - The other pilot might have a better plane, but if they can't use it properly then there is no reason to worry.

 

I think the assumption for the purposes of the conversation is a decent pilot.

More accurately - “all” because it’s the one you didn’t see.

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On 7/4/2018 at 1:10 AM, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

Hi all,

 

I have a question for german pilots: 

 

"Which plane don't you like at most?" I mean, what type of plane is the worst enemy for you, that if you see the contact on the long distance and when you  are getting closer and now you can identify it, so you will tell to yourself "Oh nooo.....my worst ideas came true... lets get out from that place quickly !"

 

 

 

 

How is this even a topic? Half the time the German pilots think they're fighting a Yak and complain about how it out dove them, flap usaged, or the 109's have paper wings..

We all know the Lagg won the war....

 

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Posted (edited)

themselves

 

when you fly a 109 your moral cant be the same as real pilots must have been

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2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I think the assumption for the purposes of the conversation is a decent pilot.

More accurately - “all” because it’s the one you didn’t see.

 

The op never stated the level of pilot skill so there isn't really anything to assume, but you are correct that the one you don't see is the one to be 'scared' of because even a bad pilot can get the drop on a good pilot not paying attention. It's not really till I engage the enemy pilot do I know their skill regardless of their plane and if they're flying a better plane badly then I'm not going to worry if that 'better' plane is flown how it should.

 

But I can only answer the OP how I used to play and the only time 'my worst nightmare came true' was when I ended up flying into a formation of enemy planes without friendly cover and without hope of escape regardless of how good my skills were because bigger numbers often win the battle, unless the enemy is THAT terrible. 😁

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