Pilot body in the cockpit?

[Tomi_099]

any news ?

for Me -109 / P-40 ?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Tomi_099

[Tomi_099]

Little help for the developers ! ?

 

Luftwaffe-Pilot-Netzkopf-Haube

German Jagdflieger

 

German Bomber :

 

 

US - air force fighter

 

I'm not sure :  US Bomber

 

English -  Spitfire Pilot

 

Soviet Fighter Pilot

Edited July 8, 2018 by Tomi_099

[Trooper117]

Not going to happen....

[HagarTheHorrible]

Been discussed to death, revived, kicked, killed, resurrected, been included in "Murder she wrote" (several times) as the mutilated corpse and then killed all over again.

 

It ain't going to happen (unfortunately).

 

By the way the Spitfire pilot is ballcocks, the flip up lens would scratch the perspex to f**k, plus he's far to ugly.  That last picture, of the German pilot, talk about grim death warmed up, he scares me just looking at him.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2018 by HagarTheHorrible

[Danziger]

I guess it's time to summon @LukeFF with a horse beating.

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, BorysVorobyov said:

I guess it's time to summon @LukeFF with a horse beating.

 

 

?

[Gambit21]

What about a pilot body with a Swastika on his helmet inside a clickable B-17 cockpit?

[NETSCAPE]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

What about a pilot body with a Swastika on his helmet inside a clickable B-17 cockpit?

 

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[oho]

I saw a pilots body (I remember the big boots) but only for seconds while flying the P-39 in VR and leaning forward against the stick. I tried to repeat it but never saw it again but it was there. Are there A/C that have bodies and others not?

How could I activate it?

Edited May 28, 2018 by oho

[seafireliv]

I would like to see a pilot shadow. It creeps me out when I look left or right out the cockpit, see the aircraft shadow on the wing but no pilot shadow.

[HagarTheHorrible]

2 hours ago, oho said:

I saw a pilots body (I remember the big boots) but only for seconds while flying the P-39 in VR and leaning forward against the stick. I tried to repeat it but never saw it again but it was there. Are there A/C that have bodies and others not?

How could I activate it?

It's a typical near death out of body experience.  Happens to me regularly.

 

If you try the Ju88 and move your head position, re-center your view to the extreme right and then lean further right, as if you were the navigator/ bombardier when sitting, the pilots body manically appears.  Much the same as you see the pilots body when you occupy the position of another crewman in any other multiple crewed aircraft.

 

Actually, come to think of it I'm surprised it isn't a mod.  The pilots body is there, if invisible when viewed from the pilots head position. , just alter the variable that makes it appear/ disappear when viewed from certain positions so that you don't need to sit halfway across the cockpit to see the body.

Edited May 28, 2018 by HagarTheHorrible

[Tomi_099]

Only the Ju 88 has it, and in VR this is an experience .. 
because you have the impression that you are not alone in the plane.
If I am in the seat of a Bf 109 ,
 I would like to see my feet and hands on the joystick.

We have only one variant of the Russian pilot in the fighter plane.

I tried my luck with a German net hood

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Tomi_099

[Custard]

Damn, that actually looks really good!

[Ehret]

Hmm... Going for the full possible realism if we got a pilot body in the cockpit then a proper relief tube animation could be implemented, please?

[THERION]

1 hour ago, Ehret said:

Hmm... Going for the full possible realism if we got a pilot body in the cockpit then a proper relief tube animation could be implemented, please?

 

Yes, and while we are at it - choosing A. Galland as your pilot then we should have some cigars too to light up after landing... 

[Madov]

On 5/27/2018 at 6:12 PM, HagarTheHorrible said:

Been discussed to death, revived, kicked, killed, resurrected, been included in "Murder she wrote" (several times) as the mutilated corpse and then killed all over again.

 

It ain't going to happen (unfortunately).

 

By the way the Spitfire pilot is ballcocks, the flip up lens would scratch the perspex to f**k, plus he's far to ugly.  That last picture, of the German pilot, talk about grim death warmed up, he scares me just looking at him.

 

 

 

As a matter of fact such a flip up lens was used by some pilots as there are wartime photos of British pilots wearing them. I don't know how common they were but they did exist.

[IckyATLAS]

If this subject pops up again and again and again and again, then there must be some truth in it. 

If you can't beat them join them and make them happy.  ?

 

[Gambit21]

Well there's a logical fallacy if I ever saw one.

[13Nrv]

If this subject pops up again and again and again and again, then there must be some truth in it. 

 

 

nope just enough people to make the subject pops in ...

 

but i  m not concerned ...too much busy watching out of my cockpit to see and identify threats ....

[Tomi_099]

Now the developer Tiem could make history.
Imagine standing outside the plane and the Crow waiting for you

(from the third person into the first)

only when you enter the plane from the outside into the cockpit

Pans the Kammera from the outside into the cockpit.
To-be, they realized that.
only the crew is missing.
If you noticed when the plane makes a crash landing and you survived the fall, the Cammera swings from outside into the cockpit.

 

only Star Citizen has realized this option.
and makes it an outstanding game .

 

https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/k/2017/11/star-citizen-4k-3-point-0.jpg

 

Edited June 22, 2018 by Tomi_099

[AndyJWest]

If you think you are going to convince anyone of anything by shilling for Star Citizen, you must be remarkably unaware of what the gaming community as a whole thinks of that ridiculous example of dishonest marketing and feature creep. It isn't ''game', it is a pre-alpha tech demo for an imaginary 'MMO' built on 2002-vintage engine which is in no shape or form capable of ever delivering 1/4 of the features those unfortunate enough to fall for the hype have paid for it.

 

 

[Tomi_099]

Experienc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Tomi_099

[OrLoK]

On 6/22/2018 at 3:10 PM, AndyJWest said:

If you think you are going to convince anyone of anything by shilling for Star Citizen, you must be remarkably unaware of what the gaming community as a whole thinks of that ridiculous example of dishonest marketing and feature creep. It isn't ''game', it is a pre-alpha tech demo for an imaginary 'MMO' built on 2002-vintage engine which is in no shape or form capable of ever delivering 1/4 of the features those unfortunate enough to fall for the hype have paid for it.

 

 

Im rather looking forward to SC.

 

*runs away*

[Tomi_099]

5 minutes ago, OrLoK said:

Im rather looking forward to SC. 

 

*runs away*

That's the step of Performance from future ?

[Venom]

On 5/28/2018 at 12:49 PM, oho said:

I saw a pilots body (I remember the big boots) but only for seconds while flying the P-39 in VR

I saw him, too, in the P-39!

Spoiler

Me in the P-39

But then I awoke and realized I've had one of my lucid dreams and had in fact launched WT...?
I hate to say it, but in this respect WT is ahead of IL-2, much ahead! BTW, DCS features the first-person-body, too.
But I'm quite sure it's just a matter of time. As soon as the first 777 dev or Jason himself has flown a plane with pilot's body ON, they'll implement that OPTION. Because for a full VR immersion it's a sine qua non...

 

On 5/28/2018 at 1:38 PM, seafireliv said:

I would like to see a pilot shadow. It creeps me out when I look left or right out the cockpit, see the aircraft shadow on the wing but no pilot shadow.

 

Look at the pilot's head in the morning sun:

He actually moves his head every few seconds. But the head does not move according to my head (like the head in the rear mirror of the DCS spitfire does).
But, on second thought, it would probably creep? me more if the head would mimic my head's exact moving and turning than move just randomly.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Venom

[LizLemon]

Like this?

 

And speaking of controversial mods....

Edited July 26, 2018 by LizLemon

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

@LizLemon Can't imagine it would take that much work to polish that up a bit and add animations. 

 

Gotta say you got my hopes up, when I glanced your post I thought you'd already made a mod for it! 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz

[Venom]

The advantage of a "proper" implementation is, that it really is "HOTAS", meaning gloves, arms, legs and feet move exactly and according to input.
Patience.

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

1 hour ago, Venom said:

The advantage of a "proper" implementation is, that it really is "HOTAS", meaning gloves, arms, legs and feet move exactly and according to input.
Patience.

 

Yeah, has been done plenty of times before though, and as far as animation goes and I would think that it would be relatively straight forward. It's only 3 inputs like you said, stick, rudder, and throttle. I don't think anyone is asking for trim wheel adjustments etc.. (though that would be pretty awesome).

 

Modders even managed to did it in Falcon/BMS, albeit without the hands and arms, but I think that was mostly because of the clickable cockpit and the view obstruction it would cause, which wouldn't pose an issue in IL2.

[Gambit21]

20 hours ago, Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz said:

@LizLemon Can't imagine it would take that much work to polish that up a bit and add animations.

 

Imagine again

[DetCord12B]

4 hours ago, Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz said:

 

Yeah, has been done plenty of times before though, and as far as animation goes and I would think that it would be relatively straight forward. It's only 3 inputs like you said, stick, rudder, and throttle. I don't think anyone is asking for trim wheel adjustments etc.. (though that would be pretty awesome).

 

Modders even managed to did it in Falcon/BMS, albeit without the hands and arms, but I think that was mostly because of the clickable cockpit and the view obstruction it would cause, which wouldn't pose an issue in IL2.

 

As someone that's done anim work in UE I can tell you it's very difficult, and UE is by it's very nature intuitive. Going by developer commentary this is most likely is compounded by the engine BoX utilizes (Digital Nature). Although I have no experience with said engine so I can't say for certain as to it's current technical limitations or ease of use in regards to animation creation, rigging, implementation etc.

 

I'll just leave this here again.

 

 

58 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Imagine again

 

Indeed.

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

I'm sure every thing the Devs add/do is very difficult (they're the professionals after all, and maybe you don't give them enough credit), I find it hard to believe that's what is stopping them though.

 

Like I said though, it's been done in other titles, and someone even managed to find a way to do it in falcon 4, a game which came out in 1998. 

 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Imagine again

Yeah... still having the same results unfortunately. Very informative response though.

[Gambit21]

Spend some time rigging and animating then get back to us.

You have no idea what their resource limitations are at the moment.

 

 

 

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

Spend some time rigging and animating then get back to us.

You have no idea what their resource limitations are at the moment.

 

Sorry, didn't realise you were an expert. I guess you don't either then, but seeing as they're currently working on 3 different expansions/titles I think they're doing just fine.

 

And mate, this is just a discussion, the brown nosing is rather unnecessary.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The fact that this has been covered in literally dozens of posts with multiple DEV replies should illustrate itself. Pilot bodies and click pits are never happening in this title. Let it go already.

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

2 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

The fact that this has been covered in literally dozens of posts with multiple DEV replies should illustrate itself. Pilot bodies and click pits are never happening in this title. Let it go already.

 

Well you're clearly not a proponent of it, so I'm curious why you're coming onto a thread dedicated to this subject just to crap all over it. And I'm not aware of any post anywhere that states that it is not possible, or is never going to be implemented, If you know of one please feel free to share (something useful).

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Not crapping on anything. Jason has said directly as have other Devs that neither of these things is in their plans. It’s unequivocal on the face of it and this is an open forum last I checked.

[Gambit21]

11 minutes ago, Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz said:

 

Sorry, didn't realise you were an expert. 

 

With all the time I’ve logged doing 3D work, including rigging  - yes compared to you I’m an expert.

Pilot bodies are not happening - grow up..

12 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

The fact that this has been covered in literally dozens of posts with multiple DEV replies should illustrate itself. Pilot bodies and click pits are never happening in this title. Let it go already.

 

This

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

3 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Not crapping on anything. Jason has said directly as have other Devs that neither of these things is in their plans. It’s unequivocal on the face of it and this is an open forum last I checked.

 

Appears that way. Indeed it is, but this is coming from the person telling everyone to drop the subject. As you said it's a free forum and it's sole purpose is conversation/discussion, I see no harm in it and it's the first time I've discussed anything of the sort.

 

4 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

With all the time I’ve logged doing 3D work, including rigging  - yes compared to you I’m an expert.

Pilot bodies are not happening - grow up..

 

I'll take your word on it Mr Person on the Internet . As I said this is the first time I've discussed this topic or said anything relating to it, and you resorting to telling me to grow up in order to prove your point just kinda makes you the one who needs to grow up. At the end of the day I'm not going to be losing sleep over whether they add it or not, but I'd hate for you to lose any bud, you seem a bit up tight.

[Gambit21]

7 minutes ago, Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz said:

 

 As I said this is the first time I've discussed this topic or said anything relating to it,...

 

Well you're doing a bang up job.

I'm not attached one way or the other, but I do have a good idea from talking to Jason what they're up against.

So trust this random person on the internet, bodies in cockpits are not going to happen.

 

Edited July 27, 2018 by Gambit21