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Hi,

I would like to know your opinion about releasing a Bob for Il2 series ("Il2 Cliff of Dover"; or "IL2 Battle of Britain"), Just your personal opinion, not a debate on what dev team should do.

I am not making this post to ask anything for the dev team, because I trust them and they are doing simply a fantastic job.

 

Personally, I would love to see Bob on Il2 series because quite frankly the Cliff over Dover never convinced me. I have it, but since I tasted BOX, I can not come back to any warplane simulator...

For me, BOX is simply the best especially after they released the Junkers 52 with new exclusive gameplay never seen before in history of simulation.

I am very pleased of all the dev team is making, and I spend a lot amount of money to support them despites I am broke ,

Am I a BOX addict?

 

Anyway I would be happy to see Bob of this simulator . 

Again this is just a way to express how I am simply in love with this simulator and the work the dev team is doing.

What is your personal opinion about that? thanks for your answer and please keep it civil and respectful.

 

 

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Personally I'd love it to see it ! 

Maybe sometime after the pacific.

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Yes , or IL2 Battle of Britain

Right now Il2 great battles is  IL2 BOS, IL2 BOM and IL2 BOK.

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Of all the theaters I'd like to see in the BoX series, the Battle of Britain is on the top of the list. The iconic planeset and location, and probably the most "balanced" air battle to ever take place. 

 

CloD is up to this day, to me at least, unplayable. 1946 Modded version had the BoB planeset and a scaled Channel map, and it was one of my favorite scenarios, and I wish I could enjoy it with 2018 graphics and FM's.

 

So yeah, my dream is BoB, although I'm perfectly aware It will very unlikely become a reality.

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They won't do a BoB scenario because it would impact sales of CLOD.  I would also wager the reason we aren't moving to the Med is because that is where CLOD is going?

 

Think about it.  Med air war scenario with the following already existing planes including tropicalising where required..

 

Allies

P-40E

P-39

A20B

Spitfire Mk Vb

 

Axis

Mc.202

Bf109

Fw190

Ju-88

He-111

Hs129

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Battle of Britain interests me greatly. We could have the Dunkirk evacuation, Blitz and the later "Leaning into France" operations with Rhubarbs, Ramrods, Rodeos, Roadsteads and Circuses.

 

I've played Cliffs of Dover, and admire Team Fusion's dedication, but for me it feels simply too clunky and dated to find much enjoyment in. Boring and anemic single player (the career mode we now have in BoX would be amazing). I also resent the fact I needed to download a third-party program (JoytoKey) in order to have a tolerable HAT switch-based camera movement (and even then the pilot's head camera remains more restrictive and clunky than in BoX or even the older Rise of Flight). Getting a headtracker software is not feasible for everyone, and I can quite happily use the HAT switch for camera in both BoX and RoF.

 

I'm sorry if I come across as too harsh, I know lots of people love Cliffs of Dover and I don't want to start a fight here! And the game has its good sides too: the damage model is great, and I love firing the cannons in the 109 E. I just can't help but feel CloD is sick to its roots and a wasted opportunity to have a great Battle of Britain experience in a flight sim. What Team Fusion has done is commendable, but I feel like the game is just fundamentally flawed.

 

I would love a series of expansions that would allow us to play a career with a British or German pilot from the Invasion of France to North Africa to Normandy, Bodenplatte and beyond. But Pacific will be interesting too, and so would a dozen other theaters and time periods. So much potential.

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I’m happy with CloD, and I’d be more interested in seeing GBS tackle more late-war Europe and mid-war Pacific/Asia.

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I'm especially interested in the RAF, but mostly in Bomber Command and low level operations for the west, plus Malta 41-42 for fighters.

I don't think I'd be especially keen for BoS to go there.  I think I'd rather see CloD get updated with better clouds, AI and voices etc.

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32 minutes ago, ICDP said:

They won't do a BoB scenario because it would impact sales of CLOD.  I would also wager the reason we aren't moving to the Med is because that is where CLOD is going?

 

 

 

Yep this. Now that 1CGS is directly involved in continuing development of the Cliffs of Dover sim, can't see them release a scenario that is already available in Cliffs.

 

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100% yes! I am greatly missing the Hurricane (still hoping for a collectors plane version), but a BoBritain would be a dream come true.

 

I have CloD but I cant go back to it after Il2, it just feels totally wrong and I just cant get on with it.

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I have to admit it would come towards the tail of my wishes, after "Battles of

  • Midway
  • Khalkin Gol
  • Schweinfurt
  • France
  • Manchuria (1945)
  • Tunisia 1943
  • Italy 1944
  • Luzon 1945
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"Where the Bloody Hell are you Simon??"

 

For the Brits it would be fun, power climbs to 10,000 feet + and then dancing with the Germans.  For the Germans though, runway starts might be a bit tedious but you could do air starts with your 109 arriving on the coast of Britain with 30% fuel remaining :P

 

See if you make it back to a French airfield after a short dogfight.

 

I too didn't get into Cliffs.  It took the current BoS series a bit of development to get me back in but the progress and development over the last year and a bit has been great.  Now I have to collect my rudder pedals and put them together. :ph34r:

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45 minutes ago, FFS_Cybermat47 said:

I’m happy with CloD, and I’d be more interested in seeing GBS tackle more late-war Europe and mid-war Pacific/Asia.

 

Seconded. That,  or other non-explored scenarios,  like heavy bombers for instance. A BoX batle of britain would seem resundant at the present,  there being so much else not explored yet,  and Clod being right there around the corner.

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1 minute ago, danielprates said:

 

Seconded. That,  or other non-explored scenarios,  like heavy bombers for instance. A BoX batle of britain would seem resundant at the present,  there being so much else not explored yet,  and Clod being right there around the corner.

 

I wanted to love cliffs, tried several times, but I just can't bond with the game and especially the UI. With Il2 Great Battles, it was love at first donut trying to taxi to the runway ;)

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When TFS is still making stuff for CloD i have no interest in buying Battle of Britain, Battle of France, Battle of Tobruk or Battle of Channal 1941 for this game, when we will have that in CloD when TFS5 comes out.

 

I would like to get Battle of some pacific theaters, and after that one Battle of some late Italy theater or Tunisia as i dont belive there will be any patches for clod after TFS 5 so that will be open then for this series of games when TFS 6 is not an option.

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I won't spend another cent on antiquating CloD - Tobruk and all.

 

would love to see the Battle of Britain in the Great Battles series but unfortunately, corporate is trying to prop up the dead horse that is CloD and it's unlikely they'll ever want to "intersect" markets/products.

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Wow, do we have the same game? I love CLOD. Antiquated? Clunky? Have to install a third party app to be able to see, using the hat switch? Plays flawlessly on my laptop. And it's beautiful. Looks every bit as good as BOS. I think, anyway. And some think single player is better in BOX than in CLOD? I don't get it. I really enjoy playing those single player missions. In BOX, not so much.

 Why would you want Jason to waste the teams time doing BOB when CLOD is already out there? The Team Fusion bunch have done a nice job of keeping the game up to date. And North Africa is coming with 5.0. And now Wings Over The Riech will be coming out, and THEY are going to do the Battle of Britain, too. It's been done to death.

Opinion of Battle of Britain for the Great Battle series. A resounding NO.

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Med hasn't been on the table - ever, and I doubt it would be in the near future even if CloD didn't exist.

The fact that it does exist is just a superfluous guarantee that we won't be going there...which is fine with me but I know some of you are big fans.

I personally just never learned much about it - thus my ignorance means no interest.

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I would be VERY much be for this. +1

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Even If we pretended for a second, that CloD didn't exist, how do you guys imagine BoB scenarios made in current BoX engine, when anything above 6 medium bombers in close formation brings even powerful computers to their knees, inducing stutter-fest? This engine would need a hefty rewrite first to support anything remotely similar to BoB bomb raids.

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You can simulate it all right now as skins are available for most...just missing are maps.   Single/Multi player/co-op

 

BOB:  6-9 111s with E-7, or F model 09s against Spit 5s on the Kuban map.  France 41/42 with A20s Spits/P40s against 09s/Fw.

 

Bodenplate:  A20s for B-25s with Spit or P40 escort against 09, Fw.

 

Med/North Africa:  A20s with Spits/P40s against LW.  Fudge Soviet tanks if you want to add the ground war.

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1 hour ago, Art-J said:

Even If we pretended for a second, that CloD didn't exist, how do you guys imagine BoB scenarios made in current BoX engine, when anything above 6 medium bombers in close formation brings even powerful computers to their knees, inducing stutter-fest? This engine would need a hefty rewrite first to support anything remotely similar to BoB bomb raids.

 

While better optimization is always desired, it sounds like your PC has other problems if you cannot handle BoX with those specs.

 

 

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Have no interest in it myself, CloD does it just fine. Plus, Jason already said he has no interest in competing with the other IL-2, which makes perfect sense from a business standpoint.  There's other theaters that would benefit this series much more.

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Battle of Britain in this format would be fantastic!!!

 

I really want to love CLoD but its just so bugged and already dated it just can't complete with BoX in my opinion. The BoX models just look and feel amazing, a Do17 and Hurricane...yes please!!! 

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I think CloD is doing this just fine. I´d like to see 1942-1945 timeframe on the western front. From Dieppe to D-Day and from D-Day to the End of Reich with all the air operations which were flown by RAF and USAAF in continental europe minus the strategic bombing. Lot´s of interesting stuff and interesting planes involved.

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10 minutes ago, sevenless said:

I think CloD is doing this just fine. I´d like to see 1942-1945 timeframe on the western front. From Dieppe to D-Day and from D-Day to the End of Reich with all the air operations which were flown by RAF and USAAF in continental europe minus the strategic bombing. Lot´s of interesting stuff and interesting planes involved.

This could actually be interesting once Flying Circus is out, then again, how much work would that map require to integrate into Bodenplatte once released...

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Would be great and could be expanded into the Channel battles of 1941 and the great air battle of Dieppe in 1942 with the same scenery. The Pacific does little for me but I understand it's some people's preference. Trouble with the Pacific is it was almost exclusively an American show, so obviously Americans want it and they're a powerful voice online, and carry powerful wallet's en masse!! Perhaps they should remember that many free nations, including hard fighting Americans (Eagle Squadron), flew with the RAF, so an awful lot of people would be very happy with some more coverage of RAF history I think, and the Luft boys would be happier too I think as they would be on the other side! 

One day Malta 1941-42 would be nice, not covered yet by anybody - just to illustrate the significance of that island in 1942 especially, whilst IJN air raids on Guadalcanal consisted of no more than 25 G4M1's (Betty's), the few defenders of Malta faced massed daily air raids of 50-60 Ju-88's, plus Italians, with strong fighter escort by Luftwaffe "experten" who always had height advantage, not to mention massed strikes by German and Italian Ju-87's and carrier ops etc. It would also introduce to the game the Italian Air Force. I think Malta has more pulling power than anything comparable in the Pacific. Just my opinion. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who thinks Malta wouldn't be a valid contender and their reasons anyway. Hopefully Team Fusion will give it some coverage eventually. 

I don't really understand Midway either... the battle lasted barely over a day, and unlike Bodenplatte nothing else happened involving that map before or after - excepting patrol plane flights! It would need to involve other maps really...  

 

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1 hour ago, 19//Tuesday said:

 

While better optimization is always desired, it sounds like your PC has other problems if you cannot handle BoX with those specs.

 

 

 

i agree with that look at my specs, i dont get stutters and i fly in VR!

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I am gonna defend cliffs of dover here.

People seems to forget that everything so far was modded. They made some nice stuff in their free time as a mod.

Now they got source code and still working in FREE time. I don't know what people expected to get, they got source code in November or December, it's just 4-5 months. They won't magically fix everything. But they are still working on it and I am sure one day it will be great. 

 

But I understand people who don't play it now, multi seems to be empty and you must be in clan to play bigger battles. There is nothing for people who enjoy single player, I really hope for campaign like box has now. I am not even playing clod much because there is nothing for me to do but I believe in a year or 2 we will see really great game.

 

For topic question, nope. I don't even like idea of BoBP, like a random teleport on western front in 44-45. Not many planes, short campaign, big step from 41-43 planes into late war (almost ending) and then pacific. It feels so random.. would rather get kursk, Leningrad or something in Russia to make even bigger ostfront, one huge map. Just like pacific, they already told us about 3 pacific expansions, so it would be another big theatre. WishI box would focus on ostfront and pacific. While clod do Mediterranean and west front. And they already said that they want to do syria. So it would be nice combination. Getting box in battle of Britain would really hurt team fusion and DCS is going for late war on west as well.

I don't really know why going there AGAIN while there is so much more battles we could get and not that overrated 44+ France.

 

"One day Malta 1941-42 would be nice, not covered yet by anybody"

~phone sorry cant edit as quoted :P

There was malta mod for clod. And it may be expansion for clod if TF will do a deal with whoever made it, or just do it from 0. But it's just my assumption and I don't have any real info from devs about it.

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2 minutes ago, InProgress said:

.. would rather get kursk, Leningrad or something in Russia to make even bigger ostfront, one huge map. 

 

Ah that would be great!

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Sorry for CLOD but there is no room for two Sims. There can be only ONE! 

Deleted from my HD some time ago ....

I would buy a Battle of Britain expansion for IL2GBS right away!

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10 hours ago, =FEW=Herne said:

 

I wanted to love cliffs, tried several times, but I just can't bond with the game and especially the UI. With Il2 Great Battles, it was love at first donut trying to taxi to the runway ;)

 

Yeah,  well... some people like it,  some don't,  but it is there. So much more isn't!  Its all about our list of priorities. Being able to fly the spit IX now,  and soon another one (not to mention all the 109s!),  I have to bow to the conclusion that we much more need a zero or a F4F than another older spit or 109.

 

Besides,  I can understand why so much people dislike CloD,  but it is not BAD,  period. It is BAD, depending on the person. An example: the most frequent complaint I read about CloD is about the interface - hardly the most important thing in a sim. I have no data on this,  but I am guessing most people that dislike CloD simply are not giving it a second chance, rather,  being scared away after little effort towards getting used to it. 

 

My point being: there are more priority scenarios we really need,  before we really can spare the 2 year wait  for a sim that already exists,  and is playable (more or less,  depending on personal opinion). 

 

My two cents on that!

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5 hours ago, InProgress said:

 

"One day Malta 1941-42 would be nice, not covered yet by anybody"

 

A good example on how many interesting scenarios are still overlooked by the current flight sims. And we would go AGAIN over the channel?

 

PS:  OMG,  the bristol beaufort flew from malta,  bombing convoys. How I would like that!

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I would absolutely 100% buy it! If devs put a pre order on the website with release date around 2020+ I would buy it immediately. That's how much I want it, lol. 

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It has been clearly stated that anything revolving around North Africa/the Meditteranean or the Battle of Britain will not happen because Team Fusion is working on that and BoB already exists.

I wouldn't expect a battle of France either as Team Fusion will also give us that, well at least a part of it with the upcoming French fighter.

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I'd like to see a Battle of Norway. We can get some of the early war planes, in a theatre that I've never seen done before in a game

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The perspective of flying through Fjords and snowy mountains has it's charm I give you that.

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