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Which Bodenplatte Plane are you looking forward to the most?

  

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  1. 1. Which Bodenplatte plane are you looking forward to the most?

    • Bf-109 G-14
      11
    • Bf-109 K-4
      24
    • Fw-190 A-8
      14
    • Me-262
      101
    • P-51D
      56
    • P-47D
      83
    • Spitfire Mk. IX
      10
    • Tempest Mk. V
      80
    • Fw-190 D-9
      49
    • P-38L
      87


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Since only one option could be picked, I chose the P47.   Mostly because the BlitzPigs have traditionally been fond of the mud moving role, and the 47 excels at that because of it's sturdy build and eight gun firepower.  It also is a good fighter, if flown properly to it's strengths. 

 

Still, my finger hovered over the P51 button for a long time...

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I hate making one choice only. It's never black or white. But having said that I've chosen P-51, which would be followed by 190 A-8, P-38L and Spitfire IX. Why P-51 ? Because of what it represents, because it was developed in such a short time and yet carried numerous design features that made it unique among the other fighters of it type. And I just spent last 3 years flying it in DCS, which made me adore it to a very high degree. I'm expecting no lesser experience in Il-2 with it. 

 

I'd not pick Me 262 for sure. I dont trust things that make sound similar to my hair dryer. 

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I'm mostly interested in ground attack role and i want to fly something new, so for me it's the Tempest, followed closely by the P-47.

 

But i'm also curious how the Me 262 and P-38 will turn out.

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Honestly i really hoped they will ad the G-10 instead of G-14. But maybe...

 

As I understand it... the G-10 is a G-14 with the Bf109K-4s DB605. So the G-14 is distinct as is the K-4 but the G-10 is halfway in between. For historical squadron use do we need it?

 

I was really a fan of the G-10 in IL-2 1946, I knew the K-4 was higher performing... but it felt a bit too heavy for me personally. Thing with the G-10 is that it wasn't available in high numbers at Bodenplatte, according to the numbers posted by Panzerbar, first it was the G-14 (around 260) , then the K-4 (around 90), and finally the G-10 (around 50).

 

If we get the G-14/AS modification (which around half the G-14s were of this variant), we would get something almost identical to the G-10 in looks at least :D don't know about performance though. Probably the G-10 is better at lower altitudes I guess?

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I wish the Tempest was a Typhoon....but I guess it's still a Tempest..

 

but I vote MOSquito....

 

Can I have another go ? 

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Went with the Tempest, would have voted Typhoon if it was there. Us Brits need a ground attack option.

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Definitely the Jug, what else  :P

Although I must admit that I'm keen to see the 262's implementation in BoBo.

 

Cheers!

Mike

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Almost too hard to make a choice, there is not one I am not interested in

 

However have gone for the P-38, iconic, versatile, controversial, twin contra rotating props, ground attack option and I think that if it is learned carefully can surprise an opponent

 

should be great fun, all the others come a very close second, really too close to call for many reasons

 

Cheers Dakpilot 

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The tempest... and the 262 so my tempest has plenty of things to kill :-)     

 

All those people getting excited about the 262 are going to get a big shock when they realise what a wallowing hippo it is on take off and landing.  It could not escape a Po-2 :-)  Even when you get it up to speed it is difficult to get your guns on anything smaller than a formation of heavy bombers before you overshoot then it takes 5 minutes to turn round and have another go :-D    Granted,  if you do get something in your sights and manage to squeeze the trigger in the 2 seconds you have before you have overshot then the guns are devastating.

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BoBo.

 

Don´t say that it might stick, worst name ever for a CFS, too cute, that is what a blondie names her purse dog 

 

I wonder how many people that will fly in the dogfight server it is bound to be. Everyone wants faster planes, but the advantage is gone, the oponents plane is faster too. I wish for a Yak 3 to fianally see if it could beat the crap out of a P 51. LA7/9 for the same reason. 

Nah I stick to the brute Tempest, a plane for men 

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There where no plane able to do what the P 51 was doing in its glory days. It was the perfect plane for what it suppose to do. No other plane with that range could ever beat it in any altitude. It saved a lot of aircrew it hurt a lot of soft targets, and it shot down a massive amount of enemy planes. I think it is up there with the Hurricanes and Spit stopping the Germans in BOB.

But I do not like to fly it in a simulator, because you cannot duplicate the well trained crew on ground and air, nor can you duplicate the lack of fuel and pilots on the other side. You cannot duplicate the desperation and dedication of the defence of the reich. So in my mind late war is un interesting to simulate. P 51 probably shorten the war, and had 100 times more inpact of the war than any German plane ever manage to have. But it was a logistical win more than just the plane. It was the training and attitude of the pilots. The excellent groundcrew and their confidence

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Like for many, it's a hard choice because I'm really looking forward to all of the planes.

 

But if I have to pick one, it'll be the P51 "The machine that won the war"

 

:salute:

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Monster over the Pacific yeah but certainly not in Europe...

It was the easiest allied plane to shoot down for LW pilots. Not faster than 109/190, not more maneuvrable of course and big target hard to miss.

 

I love this plane but in my opinion, P-38 wouldn't have be very successfull if allies didn't have a huge quantity superiority in the air

Really? I thought I read this thing was a beast, is this true?

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"It was very fast and had good firepower. That gave a lot of people false confidence when they first went to P-38s. Their limitations on tactics were the same as those we were accustomed to in the P-40s, but even more so."

 

I have a feeling it will be a death trap....

 

Famous for catching fire...

 

"The UK and Europe in general has a unique set of climate features that proved testing for a lot of aircraft and in particular, their powerplants.
Lightnings certainly suffered badly on their arrival in the UK, their Allisons proved to be temperamental and engine failures caused more problems than enemy action.

Most of the issues were with the turbocharger ducting which channeled charge air all the way out to the wingtips and back. A lack of cowl flaps meant that engines would never get sufficiently warmed up and consequently, in temperatures at altitude of -40degs, octane and lead would separate causing the engines to devour their valves, throw rods and backfire into the intercooler ducting, occasionally even catching fire."

 

Handling problems...

 

"The RAF was unhappy with the 322, as its high altitude performance was inferior to the then current Merlin 40 series powered Spitfire V. The 322 had by that time also demonstrated problems due compressibility in dives which caused 'Mach tuck', a severe nose down pitching moment due to the aft of the CoP. This often led to the breakup of the aircraft and usually, loss of the pilot. Like prop rotation sense impaired engine out handling. The 322 affair escalated into a major dispute between Lockheed and the RAF and in the end, all Lightning I airframes were transferred to the USAAF which used them as trainers"

 

It will be excellent !

 

quotes from here

http://acepilots.com/planes/p38_lightning.html

https://www.quora.com/Why-werent-P-38-Lightnings-used-to-escort-bombers-over-Germany-before-the-P-51-Mustangs-became-available

http://www.ausairpower.net/P-38-Analysis.html


"Every one of these problems was solved with the introduction of the P-38L."

"Let me repeat this again and again. It can never be emphasized too strongly. It makes up the Gospel Word. The P-38L. Now there was the airplane."

 

;)

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I could name a dozen of aircraft I'd prefer to any one announced for BoBo, but given this inventory, I voted for the Jug (followed perhaps by the Tempest).

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The tempest... and the 262 so my tempest has plenty of things to kill :-)     

 

All those people getting excited about the 262 are going to get a big shock when they realise what a wallowing hippo it is on take off and landing.  It could not escape a Po-2 :-)  Even when you get it up to speed it is difficult to get your guns on anything smaller than a formation of heavy bombers before you overshoot then it takes 5 minutes to turn round and have another go :-D    Granted,  if you do get something in your sights and manage to squeeze the trigger in the 2 seconds you have before you have overshot then the guns are devastating.

Lets test this when the campaign comes out. You Tempest me Me-262. ;)

 

 

 

Bf 109 G14 and the legendary K4 is usually in nearly everything better than P51D, too. Dogfights will take place below 5000m anyway because there are no B 17 to cover.

A lot P51D history boiiiiiz will be pretty disappointed. : ^ )

 

*cringe* :/

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I voted Tempest even though during Bodenplatte 16 RAF Squadrons were operating the Typhoon vs 5 Squadrons the Tempest (Typhoon is not a choice and the Tempest is superior anyway). I see the Me262 is leading as I type but we really should not be wasting time developing that for Bodenplatte. Only Kg51 was operating it at the time and never had more than 38 Me262s at one time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_51

 

Certainly the Me262 would be nice to have sometime but not for Bodenplatte, everyone would run to it and it would distort the historical event.

 

Of course the Spitfire MkIX would also be very nice to have (24 Squadrons during Bodenplatte) but I only have one choice :(

 

PS I don't believe the P-38 was involved in Bodenplatte

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I voted for the tempest mostly because there was an obligation to make a choice all planes are great with the exception of the Me-262 how is a bomber interceptor and should only be added in a game depicting the Luftwaffe battle against the allied bomber offensive in the west or east.

 

There where some P--38 based in Belgium in the end of 1944 so yes there where P-38 during Bodenplatte. But if my memory is correct none where lost on the ground.   :salute: 

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P-38's roll rate made it Fw fodder, plus it's a nice big target.  Above 25,000 feet, the P-47 could even out spiral climb a 109G with it's huge horsepower, but not down low.  At low altitudes it's the Spitfire IX who is going rule!  I'm looking forward to the K4 however, because I can out run all you bandits in it regardless the altitude.  ;-)

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I doubt that, what you think why it has that huge horsepower, because it's a fat brick.

And it’s a fat brick because it has a huge turbo-super charger. The P-47 is very powerful up high, and there’s an altitude where it’s faster and out climbs virtually everything.

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Bf 109 G14 and the legendary K4 is usually in nearly everything better than P51D, too. Dogfights will take place below 5000m anyway because there are no B 17 to cover.

A lot P51D history boiiiiiz will be pretty disappointed. : ^ )

For 3 years I've been seeing complains mainly expressed by Luftwaffe pilots, despite the fact that they possess superior airframes to those operated by VVS pilots. 

 

A combination of P-51, Spitfire IX, Tempest, P-47 and P-38 makes me rather certain that its Luftwaffe that will get disappointed. 

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http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p-47.html

But about 2870 ft/min which i saw is the best climb rate which is below 10.000 ft. The Bf 109 G2 can do it far better than 14,5 m/s

 

Sure, but I wasn't talking about what happens at 10,000 ft of altitude, I was talking above 30,000 ft of altitude!

 

So the 109 is probably the P-47s most serious rival up high, as the 109s are also excellent at altitude, you have to get pretty high before the P-47 can out climb a G-2. According to the data on Kurfust's site that happens above around 30,000ft.

 

Of course on level speed it's a different matter. At 30,000ft the P-47 can pull 435 mph TAS (which is 700 kph) whereas a G-2 can (according to Kurfurst's site) only manage 610 kph. Which isn't so surprising as the P-47 has an enormous turbo-super charger in it, it's really good in really thin air.

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No question, the P-38. :cool:

 

At BOX level of detail and quality, it will be a ton o' fun to fly.

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I doubt that, what you think why it has that huge horsepower, because it's a fat brick.

 

That's not what Gabby said, you have to hear what he says about the P-47's 2000 horsepower because of the super-charger.  I said spiral climb,  but Gabby states a corkscrew climb.  Very short video, he tells all in first minute, too.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+P-47+Gabreski&view=detail&mid=315BEC6CB55CE76B7444315BEC6CB55CE76B7444&FORM=VIRE

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I doubt that, what you think why it has that huge horsepower, because it's a fat brick.

 

 

 

Spitfre Mark 9 is more a high alt fighter and so it performce better there and its engine performence, speed and acceleration is really bad compared to the germans.

 

K4 and D9 are supposed to be the best fighters in that planeset!

 

btw: I miss the mosquito in the planeset.

I think he's referring to the P-47 in late 44 and early 43 against the Luftwaffe. At the time the Germans really had nothing that could combat it at altitude. The rate of climb of the P-47 is irrelevant. The tactics used by a good P-47 pilot are zoom, dive and high speed maneuverability. All of which the Bf-109 is awful at. So I wouldn't get too cocky about fighting a P-47.

 

The best plane really all depends on the boost setting of the P-51D. If the P-51 is running on 100/130 octane its going to be a tie between the Tempest, Bf-109K4 and Fw-190D9. I'd go with the Fw-190D9 because of the great high speed control and if needed the ability to at least fly at high altitude(I'm looking at you Tempest).

 

For 3 years I've been seeing complains mainly expressed by Luftwaffe pilots, despite the fact that they possess superior airframes to those operated by VVS pilots. 

 

A combination of P-51, Spitfire IX, Tempest, P-47 and P-38 makes me rather certain that its Luftwaffe that will get disappointed. 

If allied planes are modeled with 150 octane the surprise will be greater. I'm not saying I want a certain team to be superior, I'm just adding on to your speculation. Then again both sides are going to be disappointed since the Allied players are going to be expecting Bf-109G6 Fw-190A6 level of performance.

That's not what Gabby said, you have to hear what he says about the P-47's 2000 horsepower because of the super-charger.  I said spiral climb,  but Gabby states a corkscrew climb.  Very short video, he tells all in first minute, too.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+P-47+Gabreski&view=detail&mid=315BEC6CB55CE76B7444315BEC6CB55CE76B7444&FORM=VIRE

Gabby had a tuned P-47 and was not fighting Bf-109G14s and K4s.

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Hmm, late 44 into 45 models... I’ll go for the Spit XIVe, or late XVI clipped with teardrop canopy.... oh, there isn’t one. Tempest then, as I suspect/fear the Spit will be a 1942 F.IX rather than 44 LF.IX with 150 octane/25lbs boost, teardrop canopy, clipped wings.

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There where some P--38 based in Belgium in the end of 1944 so yes there where P-38 during Bodenplatte.

 

"Only one fighter group in northern Europe, the 474th, flew the Lightning from arrival in Europe until war’s end. As part of the Ninth Air Force, the group flew mostly ground-attack missions at relatively low altitudes, and thus avoided most of the concerns associated with air-to-air action higher up."

 

"When the group arrived, the expected to receive P-47 Thunderbolts on which they had trained stateside. However, much to the amazement of the Group Commander, Col. Howard F. Nichols, the 370th FG was informed by IX Fighter Command that they would be equipped with the Lockheed P-38 Lightning, a few of which had already arrived during the 18 days the group was in residence at Aldermaston. The latter base proved to be only a temporary stationing, as it was required for troop carrier operations; the 370th soon moved to RAF Andover. - Moved to Florennes 26th Sep.1944  till 27th Jan. 1945"

 

http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/jim-kunkle-flying-the-p-38-lightning-and-almost-everything-else/

 

 

 

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“Neither P-38 pilots, mechanics, facilities or logistics were prepared to operate efficiently in one of the bitterest European winters on record [1943-44],” he noted. “No other Allison-powered aircraft ever operated at altitudes of more than 20,000 feet over the Continent for even a half hour.” Bodie was a staunch advocate of the P-38, but in a 1991 interview he acknowledged that it achieved “mixed results” in combat with the Luftwaffe over northern Europe.

 

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Why the P-38 Flunked in Europe

http://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm

 

 

474th Fighter Group

http://abmc.nomadmobileguides.com/Cambridge.php?page=narrative&id=cont-2994

 

"“On the P-38, the cold-air vent was down by your left knee,” he says. “Your main and reserve fuel tanks were also on the left side, where that duct is, and the Germans hit both tanks. The flame looked like a blowtorch coming through the air vent into the cockpit.” For an instant, there was very little smoke and then smoke began to fill the canopy. Kunkle suffered burns on his face, neck, and hands, and the flames seemed about to consume him. He put the danger out of his mind and continued to attack the German fighters that seemed to be all around him. He fired at several and shot one down. Still in the fight, he broke off from combat only when his P-38’s left main fuel tank exploded. Kunkle jettisoned his canopy with fire lashing at most of his body. He does not remember whether he climbed out or was blown out of the P-38’s cockpit, but he left it abruptly at about 4,000 feet, tumbling, his parachute flapping at his back."

 

http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/jim-kunkle-flying-the-p-38-lightning-and-almost-everything-else/

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I voted for the tempest mostly because there was an obligation to make a choice all planes are great with the exception of the Me-262 how is a bomber interceptor and should only be added in a game depicting the Luftwaffe battle against the allied bomber offensive in the west or east.

 

There where some P--38 based in Belgium in the end of 1944 so yes there where P-38 during Bodenplatte. But if my memory is correct none where lost on the ground.   :salute: 

 

 

According to "Bodenplatte - The Luftwaffe's Last Hope" , Manrho and Putz, there were no P-38s in the Allied OOB for Dec 31 1944, (edit for the area) none were lost, none had any role in the battle at all.  

 

There may have been P-38 involvement in the broader theatre over a wider time frame. Personally I think it is an odd - actually a poor choice. The US already has a long range fighter in the mix with the much more representative P-51, what is a bit lacking in this line up is ground attack, especially from a British perspective. I know the Jug can do it, (especially bouncing those 50 cal MGs off the road  ;)):  but the Typhoon would really have been the most fun choice: rockets!   I really hope the team will be able to add this to the mix.

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According to "Bodenplatte - The Luftwaffe's Last Hope" , Manrho and Putz, there were no P-38s in the Allied OOB for Dec 31 1944, (edit for the area) none were lost, none had any role in the battle at all.

 

The only operation I have found that they conducted was against a company of US tanks of 3rd Armored Division...

 

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=IHb_geGUpFcC&pg=PA655&lpg=PA655&dq=USAAF%27s+430th+Fighter+Squadron+1944&source=bl&ots=kyfvJgnOVs&sig=HJI6u8E_ir414HfvgGucHmuk4V8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiy77Wypa7YAhWIHZQKHdk8AM8Q6AEITTAI#v=onepage&q=USAAF's%20430th%20Fighter%20Squadron%201944&f=false

 

I am curious as to whether Florennes Juzaine Airfield will be on the map used. The fact that the retreating Germans attempted to destroy the airfield and the weather conditions of December 44 may have meant that squadron was not very active...?

 

 

I found a nice journal of a P38 pilot from the 428th Squadron, in the 474th Fighter Group, 9th Air Force....

 

https://ajaxairpowertour.wordpress.com/p-38-journal/

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Frankly, I love everything which starts with a P for Pursuit as well.

I've got to agree. Finally getting to fly the the AAF's big three in this sim will be a dream come true for me. If I have to choose just one plane to look forward to it has got to be the P-51D. I've read for years about it before I ever saw one in person. Oshkosh 1985 was where I saw it and I have to say it was like a vision for me. It truly seemed like it was a dream. I'm sure I stood there slack jawed as it took off.

 

But it is hard to pick a favorite from the list of coming A/C. The Tempest and G-14 are two others I want to fly. The Tempest because it is such a beauty to look and an incredible performer to boot. The G-14 because it is the most aesthetically pleasing of the Bf-109 line to me. That is, as long as it has the tall tail and Erla hood. Otherwise, it will be dead to me. ;)

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Looking forward to the P-38. It would be nice to see some bombers incorporated on both sides. I'm aware it was mostly fighters that took part but there were some bombers albeit in small numbers. It would make it more dynamic if there could be ground attack mission going both ways. 180 squadron were operating out of Melsbroek during Bodenplatte in B-25's, a plane that would also bode well for a future pacific theatre (no pun intended).

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