Samsung Odyssey

[Aloha-Snackbar]

2 hours ago, ICDP said:

I logged another ticket with support to highlight the IPD issue.  This was their response, so it seems they are now verifying BoS does not correctly support WMR and other non Vive or Oculus HMDs.  It also indicates they have no immediate intention of fixing it.  Very disappointing to be honest.

 

Hi,

 

If Windows Mixed Reality is included in the game, information about it will be published on the site.

 

Looking at your quote here, "If WIndows Mixed Reality is included in the game"... thats not what we want. We're not asking for WMR native support, we just want the openvr/SteamVR implementation to actually work...

 

Edit: I've now also received a reply to my support ticket from weeks ago, exactly the same as ICDP received.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Aloha-Snackbar

[ICDP]

I have already replied to their response that WMR devices use OpenVR/SteamVR and it works perfectly in other Steam VR games.

[dburne]

Hopefully everyone with these devices are submitting a support ticket, the more they hear from those I would think the better to get it some attention.

[unlikely_spider]

16 minutes ago, dburne said:

Hopefully everyone with these devices are submitting a support ticket, the more they hear from those I would think the better to get it some attention.

Can I submit a support ticket for flight in VR making me sick?

I do have a Samsung, and the IPD issue is only one of two things keeping me from using it in this sim.

[Aloha-Snackbar]

3 hours ago, ICDP said:

I have already replied to their response that WMR devices use OpenVR/SteamVR and it works perfectly in other Steam VR games.

I did the same

Its just frustrating that theyve clearly already done the vast majority of the work needed, as the only thing that doesnt seem right is the IPD... And a lot of other games (DCS for example) allow you to override the IPD anyway.

It might be interesting to have some vive users see if the game is using correct IPD values when they change their IPD settings, or if its just hard coded somehow.

2 hours ago, engrish_major said:

Can I submit a support ticket for flight in VR making me sick?

I do have a Samsung, and the IPD issue is only one of two things keeping me from using it in this sim.

re: sickness

 

do you have high enough fps? I get a bit sick when i drop below 45 fps, and even at 45 its a bit rough sometimes. best is to keep 90.

[ICDP]

I think the problem is the devs simply do not have access to a WMR device.

[WIS-Redcoat]

Well I offered to give them my Odyssey back in November, but I think they were too busy to worry about it then. 

 

This really sucks though, as we all want better resolutions.  I already bought the Vive pro and it probably won't work either (same lenses as Samsung).  So now I will most likely have to keep it in a box for several months because I can't have both the Rift and the Vive plugged into the computer. 

 

Obviously I think that they really need to spend a few hours of dev time looking at this.  The issue will only become more important with time. 

[dburne]

15 minutes ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

Well I offered to give them my Odyssey back in November, but I think they were too busy to worry about it then. 

 

This really sucks though, as we all want better resolutions.  I already bought the Vive pro and it probably won't work either (same lenses as Samsung).  So now I will most likely have to keep it in a box for several months because I can't have both the Rift and the Vive plugged into the computer. 

 

Obviously I think that they really need to spend a few hours of dev time looking at this.  The issue will only become more important with time. 

 

Just out of curiosity, as I understand it the Vive Pro has the same resolution as the Odyssey.

Why get it when you already have the Odyssey?

3 hours ago, engrish_major said:

Can I submit a support ticket for flight in VR making me sick?

I do have a Samsung, and the IPD issue is only one of two things keeping me from using it in this sim.

 

Grow them VR legs man!

[WIS-Redcoat]

8 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Just out of curiosity, as I understand it the Vive Pro has the same resolution as the Odyssey.

Why get it when you already have the Odyssey?

 

 

 

Several reasons,

 

1. I couldn't use the Odyssey it for il2, so I gave it to a friend hoping he could deal with it.  At the time I assumed they would have fixed it by now and I wanted this guy to fly with the rest of our group.

 

2. I found the Samsung resolution to look great, but the "inside out" tracking was less than desirable and the fit of the goggles to the face was far more "loose" than the Rift

 

3. WMR works with steam... barely.  

Edited March 21, 2018 by WIS-Redcoat

[dburne]

Just now, WIS-Redcoat said:

 

Several reasons,

 

1. I couldn't use the Odyssey it for il2, so I gave it to a friend hoping he could deal with it.  At the time I assumed they would have fixed it by now and I wanted this guy to fly with the rest of our group.

 

2. I found the Samsung resolution to look great, but the "inside out" tracking was less than desirable and the fit of the goggles to the face was far more "loose" than the Rift

 

Ah makes sense, thanks.

[unlikely_spider]

1 hour ago, Aloha-Snackbar said:

 

re: sickness

 

do you have high enough fps? I get a bit sick when i drop below 45 fps, and even at 45 its a bit rough sometimes. best is to keep 90.

 

Oh, maybe not. I just tried it briefly at whatever settings I am using for my non-vr play. It really was the roll axis that triggered it badly.

[72AG_Melnik]

Wrote to Jason at 7th March, still no response

 

Dear Jason!

 

The community knows that all your team is very busy with Kuban, but please could you pay attention to one problem here and give us the official feedback.

 

The thing is, the full Windows Mixed Reality VR headsets line(Samsung Odyssey, Lenovo Explorer, Acer, HP, Dell, Asus) work incorrect, namely, use wrong scale inside the game. Due to this, so-called the "giant head" or "RC model" effect arises, when everything around seems to be smaller 2 or 3 times that it should be in real life. The IPD parameter(virtual pilot interpupillary distance set in game) has the main influence on the game scale.

Somehow the IPD parameter in Il-2 is strictly based on helm resolution. May be my hunches are wrong, but the fact is - this parameter is locked and equal approx. 13 cm instead of 6.8cm.

This is more concrete post on the forum https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32232-samsung-odyssey/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-544631

 

The VR support was brought into Il-2 at 11 April 2017, so all WMR VR helm line wasn't in sale yet and Il-2 developers attached to Oculus and HTC resolution, but now in WMR line it is higher in 1.5-2 times. I tested other games and aviasimulators - everything was correct there with scale. Seems it is just needed to deattach or unblock the IPD parameter in the game, because changing from 0.13 to 0.068 "or_ipd" in "startup.cfg" file now changes nothing unfortunately.

 

I bought helm specially for Il-2 and I don't play any other games - I am very dissapointed that it doen't work properly after month helm delivery waiting. I see such great work to implement and realise VR experience into this game - graphics, flying sensation, real cockpit presence effect and cannot fly due to the engine goes out from my nose and wings from my ears.

 

This problem isn't being solved for practically half a year(from November). And the tech support doesn't give a proper answer. Many people don't know to sell their helm or to wait. I even can give my helm for tests, but unfortunately I am from Saint-Petersburg and developers are from Moscow.

 

I'm looking forward to hearing from you, best regards!

 

Skv_Gunner

[Aloha-Snackbar]

Very generous of you to offer your headset, skv_gunner!

[chiliwili69]

Thank you skv_gunner for offering your VR device and writing that message to Jason. It is a clear and reasonable message.

Don´t worry if you are in SaintPetersburg. I can paid if needed for the courier to Moscow.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Maybe post this in General Discussion, and also on the Russian forums. I will be travelling between St Peterburg and Moskwa in July, but that's a long time until then. I believe you guys can get this done earlier, if you just try hard enough for them to notice. 

[guidom]

Recently received the Samsung Odyssey and have been impressed with it so far, much more comfortable on my head than the Rift which I had previously. The tinyness in IL2 was quite disconcerting but thanks to this great forum thread and the lefuneste 3dmigoto mod I have got it running comfortably in no time. I set the Global Shift Toggle to: 

x6 = 0.025, 0.0

which has proved the best for me.

 

On 19/03/2018 at 7:17 PM, ClarkFable said:

Instead of using the same perspective with a higher pixel density, it's like the game is treating the extra pixels as an extended field of view. This in essence creates a reverse cropping effect, where the perspective is zoomed out from original perspective ( ‎2160 x 1200) , so that the original perspective is just a subset of the new perspective (2880 x 1600). This is making things look really small (and screwing up the IPD).  i have seen a similar issue in other indy VR games. 

 

This also makes sense and seems to explain the problem concisely.

Edited April 8, 2018 by guidom

[Avyx]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on Samsung Odyssey

What would you advice, guys ?

Samsung Odyssey or Vive Pro ?

 

Cons / pros - regarding software - hardware - controllers - trackers ?

I do play 95 % flight sim

Thank you

 

Edited April 8, 2018 by Avyx

[ICDP]

1 hour ago, Avyx said:

I'm ready to pull the trigger on Samsung Odyssey

What would you advice, guys ?

Samsung Odyssey or Vive Pro ?

 

Cons / pros - regarding software - hardware - controllers - trackers ?

I do play 95 % flight sim

Thank you

 

 

It uses Steam VR, so anything on Steam will work.  The only game I have a problem with is BoX, so if it is your main sim then Odyssey will not be perfect.

 

I use (in order of use for VR)  IL2 is at the bottom because it has the broken IPD.

 

DCS

Asseto Corsa

Elite Dangerous

Fallout 4 VR

IL2 BoX

 

Only IL2 BoX causes scaling problems out of this list of games (and many others I have tested).

 

For Vive Pro vs Samsung Odyssey comparison check this professional review video from 35 minutes.  Basically this guy clarifies what logic already indicates should be true, namely that the HTC Vive Pro and Samsung Odyssey have identical IQ and in fact he feels the Odyssey has reduced God Rays.  Though by far the worse for God Rays is the Oculus CV1, my experience in Elite Dangerous on the CV1 was horrible.  The Samsung and HTC Vive Pro have identical panels but the lenses are different.  HTC kept original HTC Vive lenses and IMHO for the price they are aksing they should have upgraded the optics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPCEqzoxwdA

 

The only area that would be a big advantage will be in tracking on HTC Vive Pro, though my experience on WMR tracking is that they are perfectly adequate.

 

Edited April 8, 2018 by ICDP

[Avyx]

BoX is the second main sim

So, Vive Pro? 

Thank you very much 

[ICDP]

12 minutes ago, Avyx said:

BoX is the second main sim

So, Vive Pro? 

Thank you very much 

 

Yep, good choice if BoX is vital to your needs.

[Avyx]

So, i want to order the Vive Pro, but i never used VR before, and i don't know what else do I need ( for flight sim, only )
Do i have to order those, too ( HTC VIVE  )
Tracker ? Controllers ? basisstation ?
Thank you in advance

[ICDP]

You will need to order the full bundle that included controllers, base stations and lighthouses.  I believe it should cost around $1100 for the full kit.

[Avyx]

I want to order only the Vive Pro glasses, they don't sell the full bundle yet 

And I thought, i could buy the tracker, from Vive 

[BeastyBaiter]

It's my understanding you need the $800 headset + 2 lighthouses. I do not think you have to buy the controllers but could be wrong. Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/HTC-Vive-Base-Station-pc/dp/B01M01B92P/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1523216954&sr=8-2&keywords=vive+lighthouse

 

Total price is $1070 ($800 + $135 + $135) + tax + shipping from amazon.

[WIS-Redcoat]

2 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

It's my understanding you need the $800 headset + 2 lighthouses. I do not think you have to buy the controllers but could be wrong. Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/HTC-Vive-Base-Station-pc/dp/B01M01B92P/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1523216954&sr=8-2&keywords=vive+lighthouse

 

Total price is $1070 ($800 + $135 + $135) + tax + shipping from amazon.

I am using one lighthouse.  It works.. it isnt perfect, but good enough for sitting sims until 2.0 comes out.

[Avyx]

does it work with only 1? 

2.0 means?? 

[WIS-Redcoat]

I wasn’t a previous vive user, and I wasn’t sure it was going to work; so I acquired only one lighthouse.  Yes, it works.

 

i don’t really want to spend $300 to get two controllers and two lighthouse since steam VR 2.0 tracking and the new vive pro controllers are expected to be Released “this year”.  

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

Samsung Odyssey is 399.00 now  

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

But it doesn't work, does it? 

 

I'm in Germany anyway, they don't sell to Europe... 

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, JG27_Targ said:

Samsung Odyssey is 399.00 now

That´s a good price for such a device.

This is the nice thing of competition. This will put more pressure on the Oculus guys and Vive Pro sales.

It is a shame it still doesn´t work properly with IL-2 VR.

[Sneaksie]

Since the problem is incorrectly reported IPD (most likely doubled) we'll introduce a possible fix in the next update (the code will divide the IPD by two if it is too big for a human being, larger than 9 cm). Simply making the IPD entry in startup file editable isn't a good idea since it will break the IPD adjustment by a physical knob on an HMD. This is all we can do until Jason brings us an actual device.

 

The next update should be released before the end of May.

[dburne]

37 minutes ago, Sneaksie said:

Since the problem is incorrectly reported IPD (most likely doubled) we'll introduce a possible fix in the next update (the code will divide the IPD by two if it is too big for a human being, larger than 9 cm). Simply making the IPD entry in startup file editable isn't a good idea since it will break the IPD adjustment by a physical knob on an HMD. This is all we can do until Jason brings us an actual device.

 

The next update should be released before the end of May.

 

Very nice to see you guys attempting to address this for those that are affected!

[coconut]

@Sneaksieyou could use an ipd modifier instead (0.5, 1.25...) instead. Have it set to 1.0 by default, then people with Odissey or other new devices can adjust it to what’s needed. 

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

fantastic news and THANK YOU very much!

 

 

[Aloha-Snackbar]

9 hours ago, Sneaksie said:

Since the problem is incorrectly reported IPD (most likely doubled) we'll introduce a possible fix in the next update (the code will divide the IPD by two if it is too big for a human being, larger than 9 cm). Simply making the IPD entry in startup file editable isn't a good idea since it will break the IPD adjustment by a physical knob on an HMD. This is all we can do until Jason brings us an actual device.

 

The next update should be released before the end of May.

 

This is absolutely delicious.

Thankyou! <3

[WIS-Redcoat]

Great news

[ICDP]

Thanks for looking at a resolution for this guys, much appreciated.

[chiliwili69]

Many thanks for looking at this. All those WMR devices can be a good option for now and future.

[SCG_motoadve]

Is the Samsung Odyssey kind of the same as the Vive Pro?

 

If yes, and IL2 BOS gets fixed and the Samsung works then I am returning my Vive Pro, cost a lot less.

[dburne]

30 minutes ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Is the Samsung Odyssey kind of the same as the Vive Pro?

 

If yes, and IL2 BOS gets fixed and the Samsung works then I am returning my Vive Pro, cost a lot less.

 

Same resolution.

Overall experience may vary some.