Jump to content
chiliwili69

Measuring rig performance: Common Baseline (for IL-2 v3.010)

Recommended Posts

I just got the Rift last week and this thread has been very helpful!

 

I’ve run the test at the specified settings and have gotten around 53fps average- not quite what I was hoping for, but it seems very smooth with no stutters or noticeable drops.

 

What is the general consensus for a playable frame rate in VR? Is an average frame rate in the 50’s problematic? I have ASW off, I really don’t like the way ASW looks in this game so I want to avoid using it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just got the Rift last week and this thread has been very helpful!

 

I’ve run the test at the specified settings and have gotten around 53fps average- not quite what I was hoping for, but it seems very smooth with no stutters or noticeable drops.

 

What is the general consensus for a playable frame rate in VR? Is an average frame rate in the 50’s problematic? I have ASW off, I really don’t like the way ASW looks in this game so I want to avoid using it.

 

Not sure if there is a general consensus on this, but with my ultra/pretty-much-maxed out graphics settings and OVRdrop on to get my map in-game I'm averaging about 53 FPS with ASW off, and it seems perfectly playable to me at that level.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Panther is fine with these, while I need 80fps to not get frontal forehead brain pain, every one reacts differently. 53 however with proposed settings is quite low, what are your system specs?

 

You may want to write em up here so we can help you more directly on identifying the bottle-neck!

 

And welcome to the VR section! :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have an i7 6700k (stock speed), 16GB DDR4 2400mhz, and a GeForce 1080. I thought 53 FPS average was low too. I think I need to OC my cpu...

 

Also, putting the settings on ultra (maxed out) running the test I get an average of 45FPS which seems ok but I’m not sure my stomach can handle it!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

I think I need to OC my cpu...

 

You have a quite decent rig. You will enjoy the rift so much.

 

Yes, if you had 53 fps at base clock (4.0), with a good cooling you can go to to a safe 4.5 or 4.6.

 

If you have never done OC, don´t worry, I didn´t do as well 5 months ago. I write about that here: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29881-overclocking-4790k-better-bos-performance/

 

Same rules apply to 6700K. 

 

If you run the test, please report the results following the instructions before and after you OC. So other people will be able to follow you progress and learn how OC improves performance.

 

But at the end of the day, the important thing is that you get a confortable experience, not all people are the same. The VR test is just a measuring tool.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Having better ventilation/space in my new ATX case and new liquid cooling with Kraken X-52, today I have been experimenting with higher stable OCs frequencies. Mainly with CPU at 4.9 GHz.

But to my surprise I am obtaining better fps when I run the RAM at 2600MHz rather than at 2933MHz. Also, when I use a XMP profile from BIOS the fps are a bit worse.

 

These are the test using the VR test settings from first post:

 

No XMP but RAM at 2400, CPU at 4.9GHz OC
Frames: 5034 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.900 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4911 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 81.850 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4948 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 82.467 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
 
No XMP but RAM at 2600, CPU at 4.9GHz OC
Frames: 5079 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 84.650 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 5095 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 84.917 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4997 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.283 - Min: 46 - Max: 91
Frames: 4993 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.217 - Min: 50 - Max: 91
Frames: 5122 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 85.367 - Min: 46 - Max: 91
 
No XMP but RAM at 2800, CPU at 4.9GHz OC
Frames: 5021 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.683 - Min: 46 - Max: 91
Frames: 5007 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.450 - Min: 44 - Max: 91
Frames: 4927 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 82.117 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 5023 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.717 - Min: 46 - Max: 91
 
No XMP but RAM at 2933, CPU at 4.9GHz OC
Frames: 4917 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 81.950 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4941 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 82.350 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4929 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 82.150 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
 
With XMP profile of 2933, CPU at 4.9GHz OC
Frames: 5050 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 84.167 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4996 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 83.267 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4852 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 80.867 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
Frames: 4974 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 82.900 - Min: 46 - Max: 91
Frames: 4820 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 80.333 - Min: 45 - Max: 91
 
No XMP but RAM at 2600, CPU at 4.8GHz OC
Frames: 4775 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 79.583 - Min: 44 - Max: 91
Frames: 4765 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 79.417 - Min: 44 - Max: 91
Frames: 4762 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 79.367 - Min: 44 - Max: 91
 
I also don´t know well why I have sometimes a variable +-1 or +-2 fps differences when running exactly the same test. :scratch_one-s_head:
I have been also playing with the BIOS options since some of them also influence the fps, but it is hard to tweak every single option. This is the profile I used for the above tests but changing the RAM speed or XMP:
 
 
Next face is to try to OC the GPU a little bit (I have never OCed a GPU) but I have read the the Nvidia 10 series are very well protected for no-expert OC manipulation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have tried my first basic GPU OC (with the MSI Afterburner it seems even easier than CPU OC with MSI Command Center) introducing +100MHz for GPU clock and +500MHz for VRAM. Then run three VR test with CPU at 4.9GHz and RAM at 2600MHz: The three results are now more aligned:

 

Frames: 5092 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 84.867 - Min: 46 - Max: 91
Frames: 5088 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 84.800 - Min: 47 - Max: 91
Frames: 5089 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 84.817 - Min: 52 - Max: 91
 
It might be that the GPU is now not randomly limiting the test?
 
The temperatures were also OK during the test (around 55 to 62C, with a peak to 70 at loading the test):
post-18865-0-72109100-1509302387_thumb.jpg
 
I think I will stop with this my long testing of CPU (with CPU upgrade to 4790K), RAM, (with RAM upgrade to 2933), ATXCase & cooling liquid upgrade and GPU OC. I hope I will not touch it for a while (I think I can not squeeze it more) and dedicate more time to enjoy this awesome flight experience in VR. Cheers! :drinks:
Edited by chiliwili69

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have an i7 6700k (stock speed), 16GB DDR4 2400mhz, and a GeForce 1080. I thought 53 FPS average was low too. I think I need to OC my cpu...

 

Also, putting the settings on ultra (maxed out) running the test I get an average of 45FPS which seems ok but I’m not sure my stomach can handle it!

 

 

I have close to identical setup, am getting good/great at times personal results in game with many of the tweaks mentioned. Def feel the strain in heavy 15+ planes combat over cloudy stalingrad... Cant oc my motherboard though. 11331 cpu passmark

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

I test only with Passmark.

 

Quite good Single Thread mark, with 2881 you should achieve about 84 fps avg in the VR test. (If GPU is OK). What are your rig specs? 


 

 

11331 cpu passmark

 

The important thing is the Single Thread Mark (a number between 1500 and 3100), not the CPU Passmak 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, I've fiddled around with different CPU speeds and I'm back to report my results. Again, my rig is i7 6700k, 16GB DDR4 2400mhz, GeForce 1080.

 

Frames: 3199 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 53.317 - Min: 43 - Max: 91 @4.0 Ghz

Frames: 4097 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 68.283 - Min: 44 - Max: 91 @4.2 Ghz

Frames: 4533 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 75.550 - Min: 45 - Max: 91 @4.6 Ghz

 

It had been mentioned earlier that the first small overclock can make the biggest difference and I would absolutely agree based on my results! I may keep playing with it, but for now, I left it at 4.2 Ghz. My temperatures were just a little too high during one of the stress tests for me to be comfortable at 4.6. Thanks again for all the great information. I'm loving this game in VR!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Rangerjoer for posting your test results with different OC.

Note that the closer you are to 90 fps the more effort is required to increase one fps. It is an exponential effort.

Could you also report the Passmark CPU and Passmark CPU SingleThread?

They can be obtained with the free Passmark tool as explained in the firs post.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I finally got around to doing the test. The reason being that I've ordered some faster ram as previously suggested by chiliwili69. It would be interesting to see the improvement. 

 

Passmark

 

CPU single threaded 2482

CPU Mark 8659

 

Frames 2808

Average 47.6

Min         42

Max        82

 

 

System is i5 4690K OC to 4.3

GPU 1070

Ram 8gb DDR3 1333mhz

VR - Rift

MB MSI Z97 G43

 

 

cheers

Edited by doog442

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

I finally got around to doing the test. The reason being that I've ordered some faster ram as previously suggested by chiliwili69. It would be interesting to see the improvement. 

 

Many thanks for reporting your performance before upgrading your memory!

 

Based on all the other test you should get a very nice boost by upgrading your RAM speed. Let´s us know how it finally goes. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Rangerjoer for posting your test results with different OC.

Note that the closer you are to 90 fps the more effort is required to increase one fps. It is an exponential effort.

Could you also report the Passmark CPU and Passmark CPU SingleThread?

They can be obtained with the free Passmark tool as explained in the firs post.

 

@4.0Ghz, my CPU score was 11590 and single threaded was 2312.

@4.2Ghz, my CPU score was 11856 and single threaded was 2460.

 

I didn't run the test at 4.6Ghz.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Other than setting windows and the GPU to high performance modes, below is an absolute out of the box settings test for a truly fresh system (installed windows, installed updates/drivers/fraps/steamVR/Oculus/BoS and ran test!):

CPU: i7-8700k
GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 TI SC2 ICX
RAM: DDR4 (2133 since default setting)
Drive: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB
Mobo: ASRock X370 Extreme4
OS: Win10 Home 64bit
Headset: Oculus Rift

 

Passmark single thread: 2851

Passmark CPU: 15695

VR Result:
Min: 44
Max: 90
AVG: 61
Frames: 3652

Monitor:
Min: 124
Max: 199
AVG: 161
Frames: 9671

 

Will give overclock results after getting that part setup (I haven't even looked at memory or overclock stuff yet on this build).

 

post-13947-0-52211200-1510903533_thumb.jpg

 

 

Edit: 3200MHz RAM setting (straight from XMP, wow that was easy)

Monitor:
Min: 122
Max: 206
AVG: 167
Frames: 10049

 

Interesting that it's only slightly different. Memory speeds made a huge difference with Ryzen, but with the 8700k going from 2133 to 3200 only gained 6 fps on average for monitor.

Edited by BeastyBaiter
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

@4.2Ghz, my CPU score was 11856 and single threaded was 2460.

 

Thanks. With 2460 your VR fps expected is 65.6 fps, so you are very much aligned with (2.6 fps over expected). 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

VR Result: Min: 44 Max: 90 AVG: 61 Frames: 3652

 

Wow, what a machine!  you have now the top CPU, GPU, RAM combination. Just curious, what CPU cooling?

 

Thanks for posting the first fresh 8700K test!  Many people are putting their eyes in this CPU.

 

Based on the ST MArk (2851) you should expect a 81 fps in VR, not 61. Something strange is happening here. Did you remember to switch off ASW?

 

Also, try to know the CPU clock freq at which you achieved ST MArk of 2851 (base clock is 3.7 but if TurboBoost is activated in BIOS it may run at higher freq. perhaps 4.7)

 

The two monitor test are very much aligned with the expected, specially the one with RAM at 3200 which is just on the correlation line.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Based on the ST MArk (2851) you should expect a 81 fps in VR, not 61. Something strange is happening here. Did you remember to switch off ASW?

 

 

Maybe he left the HUD on?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As said, all tests were with out of the box settings. So what happened is the single thread bench result was done at the full 4.7 GHz but BoS, given that it uses 4 threads + a few more for steam/oculus/windows, dropped the clocks down to 4.3 or 4.4 GHz. And yes, I turned the HUD off for all the tests. As for cooling, my case, though new, isn't very water cooler friendly. So I went with the fattest 120 AIO I could find, the Arctic Liquid Freezer 120. It does a very good job at stock speeds, we'll have to see about overclocking. First step will be 4.7 GHz all cores, since I'm sure it will manage that. Hopefully can push above 5.0 without de-lidding. The cooler probably couldn't handle an hour of AIDA64 like that, but that's way outside my use case. Just need games and my more burst oriented tasks to be stable.

 

I grabbed the Intel overclocking tool (Intel Extreme Tuning Utility) and it lists the following as the default boost speeds:

1 to 4 cores active: 4.7 GHz

5 cores active: 4.4 GHz

6 cores active: 4.3 GHz

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Retest with 4.7 GHz all cores all the time on i7-8700k + GTX 1080 TI + 16GB DDR4 @ 3200

 

Passmark: still 2840-ish for single thread

 

VR result:

Min: 60

Max: 91

AVG: 87

Frames: 5209

 

I think this confirms that my stock test was running at 4.3 or 4.4 GHz instead of the max turbo of 4.7 GHz. I will edit in 5.0 GHz result if I can achieve it quickly.

 

Edit: anything above 4.7GHz is non-trivial. Having trouble pushing beyond 4.8 without scary voltage (e.g. 1.44 volts, which a youtuber (Nicolas11x12 English) mistakenly used via offset method).

Edited by BeastyBaiter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Right, finally got 5.0 GHz at something kind of resembling stable with no AVX offset so BoS runs at the full 5.0 GHz.

 

Full system specs just to make it easier to look up:

CPU: i7-8700k

GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 TI ICX SC2

RAM: 16GB DDR4 3200

Mobo: ASRock Z370 Extreme4

Drive: Samsung 960 Evo

OS: Win 10 Home

 

Passmark Single thread: 3019

 

Monitor Result:

Min: 142

Max: 236

AVG: 181

Frame: 10847

 

VR Result:

Min: 82

Max: 91

AVG: 89

Frames: 5338

 

I don't intend to push this system any harder, though I will try to tweak it a bit for stability and voltage.

Edited by BeastyBaiter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CPU single thread score 2354.

 

Hardware setup in sig. (Used the OP's stated benchmark settings)

 

3 passes:

 

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
  3307,     60000,  43,  91, 55.117
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
  3261,     60000,  43,  91, 54.350
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
  3235,     60000,  43,  91, 53.917

 

Sidenote: I tested with my tweaked setup using my 'balanced' setting (major caveat: flat bottom clouds awful) 

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
  4222,     60000,  43,  91, 70.367

 

nvidia 388.31

Edited by katdog5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

VR Result: Min: 82 Max: 91 AVG: 89 Frames: 5338

 

WOW!  that is a beast!  I had to expand the axis to plot your record!

 

The interesting thing of the 8700K versus the 7700K is that for the same clock speed (ie 5.0) it gives about +100 in the singlethread passmark.

 

Given the "good" price of the 8700K, this should the the CPU to go for new rigs for IL2.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

CPU single thread score 2354

 

Thank you for posting your test. What RAM speed do you have?

 

your i7-6700 has not OC capability.

 

You are in the same situation I was in June this year when I had a i7-4790 with no OC.

I change it for a i7-4790K and had a nice boost in fps with OC. (I had no idea about OC before, now I know a bit more and it surprised me how easy is to OC). 

 

If one day you would like to increase your fps you can upgrade just your CPU (and good CPU cooler) for a compatible CPU of your socket 1151:

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/socketType.html#id10

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey chili, I think the stock 2133. crucial ddr4

 

sry, I do have an i6700k, (yes oc) but a dumb gigabyte h170 mb. ill update sig.

 

so if I got a z board Id be in the game. when i bought i did not foresee how extreme vr and went cheapo mb

 

and yes. I do need to OC. maybe a refurb z170. hmm.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This looks very very good. Perfect system! How far did you have to ramp up that voltage  :blink:

 

Mentioned in the thread where I review it, but vcore = 1.36v fixed, LLC = 1 (lowest v-droop setting, doesn't overvolt like some boards), assorted MB voltages at 1.15 to 1.25 and a whole lot of tinkering. Thermals with a 120x49mm radiator in push/pull config are fine.

 

 

WOW!  that is a beast!  I had to expand the axis to plot your record!

 

The interesting thing of the 8700K versus the 7700K is that for the same clock speed (ie 5.0) it gives about +100 in the singlethread passmark.

 

Given the "good" price of the 8700K, this should the the CPU to go for new rigs for IL2.

 

Certainly odd but could be unrelated to the CPU. 100 points out of 2900-3000 is not a lot, could be something as simple as RAM timings or chipset differences.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rangerjoe, what is your mb? That is my missing piece.

 

note for my spreadsheet: i6700k , h170 gigabyte mb, 2133 mem speed corsair

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rangerjoe, what is your mb? That is my missing piece.

 

note for my spreadsheet: i6700k , h170 gigabyte mb, 2133 mem speed corsair

My mb is ASUS ROG Maximus Impact VIII. I’m not familiar with your motherboard, but is there some way to force turbo speed, 4.2? Even 4.2ghz on that cpu was a huge difference for me.

Edited by Rangerjoe03

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My mb is ASUS ROG Maximus Impact VIII. I’m not familiar with your motherboard, but is there some way to force turbo speed, 4.2? Even 4.2ghz on that cpu was a huge difference for me.

 

 

Nope, my Gigabyte H170 is getting dumped.  Yeah I see that. My new MSI  Z270 GAMING M7 arrives tomorrow. Cant wait to check it out. 'Balanced' settings was not cutting it. Although playing at 70fps with bonked settings was still awesome. Im inspired.   Looking forward to a little improvement   

Edited by katdog5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Many thanks for reporting your performance before upgrading your memory!

 

Based on all the other test you should get a very nice boost by upgrading your RAM speed. Let´s us know how it finally goes. 

 

Its been a nightmare. When I pulled the ram it was in fact 1600Mhz needless to say it had been running at 1333Mhz thanks to my inability with anything technical. I retested the same ram at 1600Mhz and my scores were almost identical as before - in other words absolutely horrible. 

 

The ram I ordered from Amazon didn't turn up so they refunded me. I then ordered some further ram from ebay and that as yet to arrive. Suddenly the Amazon ram turned up a week late. It was sold as reconditioned from their warehouse -it was defective, physically damaged . It was obviously a return but they just sold it back on - despite visible damage to the circuits. 

 

Correcting the ram speed on the old ram has caused all sorts of issues with my i54690k overclock which had been sat happily at 4.4ghz. Art one point I  dropped it back to 4 Ghz and amazingly got an increase in FPS. .. I'm  not sure why.

 

When the new ram does arrive I'll test for a direct comparison, however I'm due an upgrade in the CPU stakes - the issue is people are saying wait until the price of these new 6 core Coffeelake processors drops but that will be my next move. Seeing the performance on here of other systems means that I'm not fully engaging in the VR experience - in other words I'm missing out.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CPU single thread score 2354.

 

Hardware setup in sig. (Used the OP's stated benchmark settings)

 

3 passes:

 

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg

  3307,     60000,  43,  91, 55.117

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg

  3261,     60000,  43,  91, 54.350

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg

  3235,     60000,  43,  91, 53.917

 

nvidia 388.31

new msi z-270 gaming 7 installed with xmp from 2133 to 2400

 

new cpu score @4.3Ghz =  2510

 

@4.3Ghz

 

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg

 

 4792,     60000,  48,  91, 79.867

 

insanity.

Edited by katdog5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

When I pulled the ram it was in fact 1600Mhz needless to say it had been running at 1333Mhz thanks to my inability with anything technical.

 

Don´t worry, we all learn from experience. The important thing is that we are eager to learn to have fun in BOS! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Correcting the ram speed on the old ram has caused all sorts of issues with my i54690k overclock which had been sat happily at 4.4ghz. Art one point I  dropped it back to 4 Ghz and amazingly got an increase in FPS. .. I'm  not sure why.

 

That´s strange.

Did you install the latest mobo chipset drivers from MSI?:  https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z97-G43-GAMING 

 

Also, how you OC? in BIOS or with a software utility?

I personally use the MSI Command Center utility which works fine. I only used it to set a manual Vcore voltage and the required CPU freq.

 

You can use CPU-Z to verify the RAM speed (and CPU OC) that you are really running (you have to multiple by 2 that number):

post-18865-0-41116800-1511424108_thumb.png

Edited by chiliwili69

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...