Battle of Okinawa

[Feathered_IV]

P-38's, Beaufighters...

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

and my Tony.

[Ropalcz]

and my Tony.

Yep. P-47D Razorback and Hien/Tony would be awesome to have

[Pharoah]

I'd also like to see New Guinea, but 1942, with Boomerangs and Wirraways.

 

you're kidding me right? Even in 1942 they were obsolete esp up against A6Ms and you still want to fly them? Good luck trying to survive.

[Cybermat47]

you're kidding me right? Even in 1942 they were obsolete esp up against A6Ms and you still want to fly them? Good luck trying to survive.

That's fair... adding the Boomerang and Wirraway to BoNG would be like adding the I-16, MiG-3, LaGG-3, Ju-52, Ju-87, He-111, or Spitfire Mk.Vb to BoS, or if BoMw included the Wildcat and Devestator.

[BlitzPig_EL]

you're kidding me right? Even in 1942 they were obsolete esp up against A6Ms and you still want to fly them? Good luck trying to survive.

 

You do realize that not everyone likes the "easy button" aircraft, don't you?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Nonsense, EL. Me and my mates will not buy this game until Il-2: Battle of Midway confirms the Ta-152 as a collector aircraft for our squadron. We shan't settle for anything else.

[Cybermat47]

Nonsense, EL. Me and my mates will not buy this game until Il-2: Battle of Midway confirms the Ta-152 as a collector aircraft for our squadron. We shan't settle for anything else.

I won't buy anything from 1C until they release the T-85 X-Wing!

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I won't buy anything from 1C until they release the T-85 X-Wing!

TIE Defender DLC for the win!

[Alexmarine]

TIE Defender DLC for the win!

Rebel whiners will complain that the imperials got a fighter with shields and decent firepower for ages

[Pharoah]

So you guys are telling me...if the BoMidway campaign gets released with 8 a/c (which seems to be the norm), out of ALL the aircraft they could potentally include including the P40, F4F, TBF, SBD, A6M, B25 (say), a myriad of japanese a/c like the Kate, Jill, Betty, etc, you want TWO of those EIGHT to be the Wirraway and Boomerang? just so you could fly it for 10 mins..get killed quickly then never fly it again? 

 

Maybe 1C can add these as premium a/c then you can put your money where your mouth is. 

[Cybermat47]

So you guys are telling me...if the BoMidway campaign gets released with 8 a/c (which seems to be the norm), out of ALL the aircraft they could potentally include including the P40, F4F, TBF, SBD, A6M, B25 (say), a myriad of japanese a/c like the Kate, Jill, Betty, etc, you want TWO of those EIGHT to be the Wirraway and Boomerang? just so you could fly it for 10 mins..get killed quickly then never fly it again?

Absolutely not... we would like to see the Wirraway and Boomerang in BoNG, not Midway.

 

But yes, I would fly it, for the same reason I fly the I-16, MiG-3, LaGG-3, Ju-52, He-111, Spitfire Mk.Vb, and Ju-87... because it's fun.

 

Besides, chances are that you won't get killed if you go fast and low to avoid the flak, and put decent fuses on your bombs.

 

Maybe 1C can add these as premium a/c then you can put your money where your mouth is

Well, quite a few people, including myself, bought the Ju-52, which goes at 200km/h on a good day, ignites faster than an oily rag on a stove, and has less firepower than quite a few WWI aircraft, so yeah, I'd easily buy the Wirraway and Boomerang.

 

Rebel whiners will complain that the imperials got a fighter with shields and decent firepower for ages

Just wait until the TIE Phantom is released

Edited August 15, 2017 by FFS_Cybermat47

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

you're kidding me right? Even in 1942 they were obsolete esp up against A6Ms and you still want to fly them? Good luck trying to survive.

Not sure about Wirraway, its more like a training and communication aircraft than combat machine but in regard to Boomerang ... it's hard to call something obsolete when it wasn't in service yet. Boomerang is more like a 1943 aircraft, since it entered combat that year. First unit equipped with it was No. 84 Squadron RAAF, followed by No. 4 Squadron RAAF. 

 

Speaking of raw performance:

 

 

 

 

The above however represents Normal Rated Power. With Military Rated Power speeds would increase to 273 mph on deck and 296 mph at 7.600 ft. They've eventually pushed MAP from 48"Hg to 54"Hg increasing the low level speed by around19 mph.  

 

Anyway, its just a rare and unique aircraft. If there would be an opportunity to add it then why not ? 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Always wanted to fly a well modeled Boomerang in a sim.

 

I have flown underdog aircraft a majority of my hours in sims.

 

It's quite rewarding.

Edited August 15, 2017 by BlitzPig_EL

[ShamrockOneFive]

If it was in the sim and in an appropriate map area... I'd 100% fly a Boomerang. Regularly too.

[HBPencil]

If it was in the sim and in an appropriate map area... I'd 100% fly a Boomerang. Regularly too.

+1

I'm a fan of the idea of taking this sim to the Solomons at some point, so Smokey Joe and F4U co-ops could be interesting.

[xvii-Dietrich]

If it was in the sim and in an appropriate map area... I'd 100% fly a Boomerang. Regularly too.

 

+1

 

My understanding is that it is mostly a close-ground-support aircraft? Does anyone know any good references for where/when it was used? I'd be keen to read up on the history of it.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It was designed as an all around fighter, but by the time it arrived in a quantity (early summer 1943) there was a new generation of fighters available to Allies, such as P-38F, P-47 D-2, Spitfire Vc and F4U-1 as well as new generation of Japanese fighters, which resulted in its use as close-ground-support aircraft. Boomerangs made however a few interceptions, especially of Betty bombers. 

 

I can get you list of units that used it along with areas:

No. 84 Squadron RAAF - Horn Island (February 1943) from where they performed flights towards Merauke (New Guinea),

No. 83 Squadron RAAF - Queensland, Northern Territory,

No. 85 Squadron RAAF - Western Australia - Neither 83 or 85 left Australia while using Boomerangs,

No. 4 Squadron RAAF - received Boomerangs in July 1943 while stationed New Guinea, unit participated in operations in Markham valley. Since 1944 unit moved to Guasp and in February to Nadzab. Some of the unit machines flew from Cape Gloucester airfield and intercepted Japanese transports near Arawe and Gasmata.

No. 4 Squadron RAAF - of that unit I only know that it was eventually stationed on Bougainville and received a lot of good words from RNZAF.

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

Great sounding aircraft as well...

[xvii-Dietrich]

Thanks for the info. Reading up on it now.

 

Interesting video. That is quite a "scream" on that aircraft... probably the most dramatic of any Allied aircraft that I've heard.

[Feathered_IV]

I was reading how Boomerang pilots would routinely fly along rivers and coastlines, below the height of the tree canopy. All the better to check for barges and other enemy equipment.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I know lots of folks are talking about the Solomons campaign and the New Guinea campaign and then listing a half dozen aircraft but I would encourage folks to do some research into the details and really zoom in on the things that they really want. Frequently the aircraft lists don't match the battles exactly

 

New Guinea as a battleground is incredibly massive. It's an astounding amount of area to fight a war in. Most of its jungle and the only really interesting bits are villages and some larger towns and cities along the coasts and all of the airstrips that were built as time went on. There are different phases of the battle... the early days centered around Port Moresby and the Owen Stanley mountains. Later the battles were more to the north west and that's when you get aircraft like the early P-47s and P-38s arriving to fight against the latest Ki-43-II and Ki-61. Solomons too is a massive area with different phases of battle. The early part saw a mishmash of F4Fs and P-40s defending the airstrip at Henderson. Later Henderson field becomes dwarfed by the Henderson complex with nearly a half dozen airfields and huge facilities for heavy bombers and the like. In between you have the time period where the F4U and the Black Sheep become legend.

 

Again... these are huge battle spaces. If the series ever represents them it will probably have to decide a time period inside of these battles and then pick the aircraft set appropriately. Preferably its a time period where Japanese and Allied bases aren't too too far away from each other and you can get into a fight in less than 2 hours of flight.

[Feathered_IV]

Well said!

 

When I envision a PNG or Southwest Pacific scenario, I imagine separate maps of key areas. Moresby to Lae, Trobriand islands to Gasmata area, Rabaul to Nissan (Green) Island. Nadzab to Cape Gloucester. That sort of thing.

[Gambit21]

I know lots of folks are talking about the Solomons campaign and the New Guinea campaign and then listing a half dozen aircraft but I would encourage folks to do some research into the details and really zoom in on the things that they really want. Frequently the aircraft lists don't match the battles exactly

 

New Guinea as a battleground is incredibly massive. It's an astounding amount of area to fight a war in. Most of its jungle and the only really interesting bits are villages and some larger towns and cities along the coasts and all of the airstrips that were built as time went on. There are different phases of the battle... the early days centered around Port Moresby and the Owen Stanley mountains. Later the battles were more to the north west and that's when you get aircraft like the early P-47s and P-38s arriving to fight against the latest Ki-43-II and Ki-61. Solomons too is a massive area with different phases of battle. The early part saw a mishmash of F4Fs and P-40s defending the airstrip at Henderson. Later Henderson field becomes dwarfed by the Henderson complex with nearly a half dozen airfields and huge facilities for heavy bombers and the like. In between you have the time period where the F4U and the Black Sheep become legend.

 

Again... these are huge battle spaces. If the series ever represents them it will probably have to decide a time period inside of these battles and then pick the aircraft set appropriately. Preferably its a time period where Japanese and Allied bases aren't too too far away from each other and you can get into a fight in less than 2 hours of flight.

 

Well the "Battle for Guadalcanal" proper was Aug-Nov of 1942 where the Wildcats and P400's (P-39's) did the work.

Guadalcanal was turned over to the army on Dec 3rd 1943 and the P-40's arrived in Jan or Feb of 43 if I recall.

So the P-40's arrived after Henderson/Guadalcanal was secured and Fighter One was operational. Plenty of action still after that obviously.

 

Then we have Corsairs and P-38's.

[busdriver]

Again... these are huge battle spaces. If the series ever represents them it will probably have to decide a time period inside of these battles and then pick the aircraft set appropriately. Preferably its a time period where Japanese and Allied bases aren't too too far away from each other and you can get into a fight in less than 2 hours of flight.

 

Amen to that.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Cybermat47  will demand Catalinas at Port Moresby so he can fly night raids on Rabaul harbor (in real time on a full scale map...). He's a sick puppy.

Edited August 16, 2017 by busdriver

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It's not that big to be fair, larger then Stalingrad and Moscow for sure but with plenty of space occupied by water:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/3093/OheYUe.jpg

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/22652-il-2-battle-new-guinea/ 

The marked area is about 130.000 km²

[Cybermat47]

Amen to that.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Cybermat47  will demand Catalinas at Port Moresby so he can fly night raids on Rabaul harbor (in real time on a full scale map...). He's a sick puppy.

Well, now that you bring that possibility to my attention, it does sound pretty fun

[Heliopause]

Talking about Catalinas:

Yesterday PH-PBY made a landing with nose gear troubles. Evereybody OK

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krGUe2e7H1o

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2017 by Heliopause

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Rabaul - Henderson Field...... 1000km Oneway !

 

can remember the complains in the PTO campaign of IL2'46 VoW about loooong flights :D a Coop Mission of 1hour Duration (if you survived and landed at homebase) was our absolute max as missionbuilders

[Trooper117]

Okinawa... not for me.

If I'm headed over to the Pacific or far east it has to be Guadalcanal, Burma, or Malaya.  

[Ropalcz]

Okinawa... not for me.

If I'm headed over to the Pacific or far east it has to be Guadalcanal, Burma, or Malaya.  

 

Late Burma would be nice. RAF and 1. Air commando group supporting Wingate´s Chindits behind Japanese lines 

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

How strong was the aerial opposition over Bruma?

[Gambit21]

Rabaul - Henderson Field...... 1000km Oneway !

 

can remember the complains in the PTO campaign of IL2'46 VoW about loooong flights :D a Coop Mission of 1hour Duration (if you survived and landed at homebase) was our absolute max as missionbuilders

 

I'm a proponent of scaled down maps for practicality reasons - both from a game engine/development standpoint and a gameplay standpoint.

That said an hour for PTO is nothing, and those complainers can go fly Veliki.

 

That's also where smaller maps, sometimes generic island maps come in.

Midway will be easy to manage in the flight time department, however if we ever do get the Solomons, we'll still need Rabaul to Henderson - just smaller.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

How strong was the aerial opposition over Bruma?

You mean Japanese or Allied ? It was pretty strong until very late 1944, particularly heavy fighting took place from late 1943 until monsoon period of 1944, which includes Arakan, Imphal and Kohmia operations. The first suggestion I've made was related to that period. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I meant Japanese. Do you have a link to your suggestion thread? I recall reading it a while ago but I can't remember the specifics

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Japanese maintained a high level of presence until tides shifted and whole Air Division was lost in New Guinea. Since next presumed step were Philippines, Army moved most of resources to that region leaving Burma with far less than before. But 1943-1944 period still would see high levels of Japanese activity in the air. I could look for numbers but it will take plenty of times and besides, I highly recommend getting Christopher Shores Air War for Burma. 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21489-il-2-sturmovik-battle-burma-idea-future-expansion/

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

That was a refreshing read. One year on and I'm still all for it (especially after Kuban was announced), it would diversify things a lot

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I'm a proponent of scaled down maps for practicality reasons - both from a game engine/development standpoint and a gameplay standpoint.

That said an hour for PTO is nothing, and those complainers can go fly Veliki.

 

That's also where smaller maps, sometimes generic island maps come in.

Midway will be easy to manage in the flight time department, however if we ever do get the Solomons, we'll still need Rabaul to Henderson - just smaller.

Damnitallman! Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii. Real map, right size, obvious applicability...................

 

         

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

How strong was the aerial opposition over Bruma?

Bruma was crazy, what with the Oblivion gate that opened up. There were quite a lot of daedra in the skies those days.

 

:D (hoping somebody catches the reference)

Edited August 16, 2017 by hrafnkolbrandr

[SqueakyS]

Battle of Burma gets my vote Americans will get plenty of love in Okinawa and Midway. Give the Brits some love too.