Riderocket Posted April 27, 2017 Author Posted April 27, 2017 I've seen some people complain about Calais to Dover too. It's a weird phenomena, that flight sim enthusiasts seem to hate flying so much. It's like perverts being turned off pornography because they feel obligated to have a wank.
ShamrockOneFive Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 My recollections of the old Zekes vs. Wildcats server was that it was pretty much like the sim is currently. The Japanese were usually vastly outnumbered by the USN/USAAF, as most players, and all the Luftwaffe squads, gravitated to the higher performance late war US birds, and would never, ever, balance the teams. One night on the server those of us that flew for the Emperor had enough and we all switched over to the US side, forcing some of them to switch over to the Japanese. It was wonderful. The US flyers that moved over found out just how easy they had it flying their hot rods. We mopped up the floor with them. Too easy. My fear is that in a late war scenario in this sim, the very same thing will happen. The hot rod boys will never balance teams and it will eventually lead to the loss of players on servers hosting Pacific content. We had trouble like that on the Battlefields servers. We'd start kicking folks (after a warning) if they joined the team with grossly overinflated numbers. I have a feeling I'll be flying Zeros a lot. But hopefully some folks can bring themselves to fly the other types too... D3As and B5Ns were both fun (once we got the B5N) on IL-2: 1946. I'm pretty excited to fly the TBD too... despite its reputation and historical outcomes.
Ribbon Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 My recollections of the old Zekes vs. Wildcats server was that it was pretty much like the sim is currently. The Japanese were usually vastly outnumbered by the USN/USAAF, as most players, and all the Luftwaffe squads, gravitated to the higher performance late war US birds, and would never, ever, balance the teams. One night on the server those of us that flew for the Emperor had enough and we all switched over to the US side, forcing some of them to switch over to the Japanese. It was wonderful. The US flyers that moved over found out just how easy they had it flying their hot rods. We mopped up the floor with them. Too easy. My fear is that in a late war scenario in this sim, the very same thing will happen. The hot rod boys will never balance teams and it will eventually lead to the loss of players on servers hosting Pacific content. there should be limitation in players ratio on servers forcing at least some ballance. Ppl would learn to fly more than just one plane and saw how fun and challenging it is. Last night i played alone against 10 axis players and yet they were combat logging (some of them), chasing stats. Pathetic!
Chief_Mouser Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 I used to love flying the Val, and probably will again once we get Midway. The only problem I ever had with it was, instead of deploying the dive brakes, folding the wings at 1200m . I must map my keys properly this time! Cheers.
Tag777 Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 there should be limitation in players ratio on servers forcing at least some ballance. Ppl would learn to fly more than just one plane and saw how fun and challenging it is. Last night i played alone against 10 axis players and yet they were combat logging (some of them), chasing stats. Pathetic! That limitation was already implemented in some servers (DED Normal for example). It does some good in balancing the teams but sometimes it also does people leave the server when they do not have the possibility to play with their regular planes. We will see what happens but as someone stated above, guys always want to fly with the better planes available. I always fly with the Russian planes because is more challenging (for me of course ).
Scojo Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 That limitation was already implemented in some servers (DED Normal for example). It does some good in balancing the teams but sometimes it also does people leave the server when they do not have the possibility to play with their regular planes. We will see what happens but as someone stated above, guys always want to fly with the better planes available. I always fly with the Russian planes because is more challenging (for me of course ). Shhhhhh they might hear you
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 While I understand balance and occasionally have to wait an extended period of time, I always find it funny to hear people complain about others specializing in a single AC. In real life very few pilots got to fly anything more than one type. Even modern civilian pilots don't fly more than a couple types regularly. People have their favorites. Make good scenarios, maybe limit plane types at the server level, and you will have good fights/fun. 1
Scojo Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) While I understand balance and occasionally have to wait an extended period of time, I always find it funny to hear people complain about others specializing in a single AC. In real life very few pilots got to fly anything more than one type. Even modern civilian pilots don't fly more than a couple types regularly. People have their favorites. Make good scenarios, maybe limit plane types at the server level, and you will have good fights/fun. Are you implying that most pilots have the ability to fly anything they want, whenever they want? Military restricts based on orders and availability. Commercial restricts similarly. Civilians don't have unlimited funds or time. I'd be willing to bet that if you could just select a plane and go without much consequence other than flight time in real life like we can in the Sim, most pilots would not restrict themselves to one or even a small number of planes.... Edited April 27, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo 2
Gambit21 Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 While I understand balance and occasionally have to wait an extended period of time, I always find it funny to hear people complain about others specializing in a single AC.. I would never complain about it (that would be silly) but I would find it odd considering that we can experience so many aircraft with the click of a button.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 Are you implying that most pilots have the ability to fly anything they want, whenever they want? Military restricts based on orders and availability. Commercial restricts similarly. Civilians don't have unlimited funds or time. I'd be willing to bet that if you could just select a plane and go without much consequence other than flight time in real life like we can in the Sim, most pilots would not restrict themselves to one or even a small number of planes.... Uh, no. I stated exactly the opposite. We are in complete agreement about real world flying. 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 One of the best dogfights I ever had was flying the Val over the Hawaii map, against a P40. I wish I could remember his name. I was heading back to the carrier after sinking a freighter at Pearl, and he found me down low in the mountains trying to sneak away. We went at it for what felt like a half an hour, he tried boom and zoom and I would parry by dodging and pulling the nose up and plinking at him as he passed, with some help from my tail gunner. We went after each other till all our ammo was expended, and our planes were in shreds. He obviously was not an English speaker, but typed in chat as he broke off, "Good pilot". I complimented him as well, and we both made it back home. Great days they were then. I would love to recapture that feeling again.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 I would never complain about it (that would be silly) but I would find it odd considering that we can experience so many aircraft with the click of a button. It's how I fly IRL and how I choose to fly in the sim. I'm mostly a 190 driver with forays into the 109 because it's what my wingmen prefer. I may branch a bit in the PTO as the Zero is so iconic but you will find me in mostly American fighters when we get there. I don't have a problem with how anyone chooses their aircraft in the moment or over the long term.
Scojo Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 Uh, no. I stated exactly the opposite. We are in complete agreement about real world flying. My fault. Idk why I missed that.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 One of the best dogfights I ever had was flying the Val over the Hawaii map, against a P40. I wish I could remember his name. I was heading back to the carrier after sinking a freighter at Pearl, and he found me down low in the mountains trying to sneak away. We went at it for what felt like a half an hour, he tried boom and zoom and I would parry by dodging and pulling the nose up and plinking at him as he passed, with some help from my tail gunner. We went after each other till all our ammo was expended, and our planes were in shreds. He obviously was not an English speaker, but typed in chat as he broke off, "Good pilot". I complimented him as well, and we both made it back home. Great days they were then. I would love to recapture that feeling again. In '46 I've had a few good fights with skilled Val pilots and in arcade servers there were some really good P-39 and SBD pilots who could surprise you on occasion. My fault. Idk why I missed that. NP whatsoever
Scojo Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 I would love to recapture that feeling again. Yeah. On our servers now, there's always a shoulder shooter nearby and no one responds to my compliments. The rest of the discussion always seems to be complaining about over modeled red planes from blues, and Luftwaffe hartman players from reds. Maybe all we need is a little PTO in our lives to bring it back. Oh and I forgot the usual "Nazis were bayud but least they no killed the most people in history. Dat why I no play commie hurr durr."
Tag777 Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 Well, in old 46 I was always a Zero (Zeke) pilot . Sometimes I tried the F4F but I does not like it much. F6F is another thing, a lovely plane to flight. Hope they do an expansion, so we can get the late war planes, in the PTO and the East Front.
von-Luck Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Perhaps I'm a one off but when I think of how current MP matches play out that helps give me context to how this game is played. Take for instance the VVS - excluding weekends they are usually outnumbered but because they tend to be piloted by cliques of pilots there seems to be better communication and coordination. Combined with the Russian aircraft that generally perform well at low altitudes you have a hard hitting objective oriented force. They are contrasted by the Germans with aircraft that generally perform better at high altitudes and are typically faster and or climb better. Germans tend to bounce low Russians and generally want to avoid dog fights but still hold their own. Now let's look at the Pacific theatre - the Japanese fit nicely into the Russian category but the A6M2 also enjoys a superior climb and higher speed. Your attacking Americans have zero room for mistakes because 100% of their capacity to break contact is derived from their dive speed advantage. That narrow advantage seems to energize this forum in discussion but reality is often a different story. Germans tend to do well in this game because they usually have multiple ways to break contact and reset. The F4F will need to fly high and stay high possible but difficult when you also add in objectives, assisting teammates, covering strike aircraft. My point here being dedicated pilots will understand the importance of E advantage but the margins are so much slimmer it will be a delicate balance on a razors edge. That's a stark contrast to what you see in game now. von Luck Edited April 27, 2017 by von-Luck 2
7.GShAP/Silas Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) The F4F will need to fly high and stay high possible but difficult when you also add in objectives, assisting teammates, covering strike aircraft. von Luck I can hear their screams of fear, abandonment and rage already. Reminds me of that really great MS Paint cartoon from a while back on here with the 109s up high and the world burning below. Edited April 27, 2017 by 7-GvShAP/Silas
IckyATLAS Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 You know Guadalcanal is going to be one of the expansions. Particularly as the P-40 and P-39 can be used there as well. I will wait for the one on Guadalcanal. I would love the full Solomon map with all the chain of Islands. Fantastic place to fight many air-land-sea battles.
Feathered_IV Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Like the old Il-2, F4Fs will climb to altitude, but confine themselves to areas of their fleet where the flak gives them protection. SBDs will venture out unescorted in ones and twos, while Zeros, Val's and hopefully Kates shlepp across to the targets in a steady, uncoordinated stream. Good times.
Gambit21 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I will wait for the one on Guadalcanal. I would love the full Solomon map with all the chain of Islands. Fantastic place to fight many air-land-sea battles. "Henderson - 16 bombers, headed yours" (Coastwatchers)
Habu Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Men, if we go to the PTO, are you sure that we will have Gruman planes ? Remember the licence problem with the old IL2.
Riderocket Posted April 28, 2017 Author Posted April 28, 2017 Men, if we go to the PTO, are you sure that we will have Gruman planes ? Remember the licence problem with the old IL2. War Thunder have Gruman planes, so I'm sure all is fine.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 This has been debunked dozens of times and at least twice by Jason himself. Let it die. 1
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I want Grummans, big and juicy target they are. Particularly Hellcat. Cant miss it
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Easy there Sakai Jr, Sincerely, David McCampbell Jr ;) Edited April 28, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf
Habu Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 This has been debunked dozens of times and at least twice by Jason himself. Let it die. I never saw or read something about that from Jason or anyone from 777.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 It's there. Jason asked specifically that this topic not be addressed by the community and the team is on top of it.
7.GShAP/Silas Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I never saw or read something about that from Jason or anyone from 777. I distinctly remember Jason exasperatedly explaining for what was apparently not the first time that there was no issue with Northrop Grumman.
Gambit21 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Easy there Sakai Jr, Sincerely, David McCampbell Jr ;) We're going to have so much fun. Although I'll need to get online and actually fly and get back in shape before then. Kuban should provide that motivation. My flying is still on point, but my gunnery...yikes. A short QMB against AI....Embarrassing.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I distinctly remember Jason exasperatedly explaining for what was apparently not the first time that there was no issue with Northrop Grumman. This ^^
Habu Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I distinctly remember Jason exasperatedly explaining for what was apparently not the first time that there was no issue with Northrop Grumman. It's good to know. THX
BlitzPig_EL Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Overconfident Hellcats are the juiciest! This, a thousand times this. So many guys in the original IL2 flew the F6F expecting it to be a magic win button. I hope this trend continues.
Scojo Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 This, a thousand times this. So many guys in the original IL2 flew the F6F expecting it to be a magic win button. I hope this trend continues. Why would they have expected that?
1CGS LukeFF Posted April 28, 2017 1CGS Posted April 28, 2017 Why would they have expected that? Probably because the Hellcat had such a stellar combat record.
Scojo Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Probably because the Hellcat had such a stellar combat record. It's always interesting to me that people instantly think that means the aircraft itself is superior in every category. People always forget context when it comes to history.
BlitzPig_EL Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Indeed. For example, one of the guys we used to fly with and I had a 1 v 1 in the old sim. Him in his F6F and me in an A6M5. I repeatedly shot him down, why? Because he thought that "extending" was just turning away from me for a couple seconds, having read that the F6F was so much faster than the Zero. He also thought he could out turn me because the Hellcat could turn with the A6M... I guess he didn't read the part about that being for half a turn. If he had flown it like he flew his FW 190 he would have done a whole lot better, but he was a victim of the "Hype of the Blue Planes", and thought it really was an instant win just because he was flying one. Also, much of the success of the late war USN birds is because of the loss of so many of the IJN's combat experienced pilots that their vigorous training regimen just could not replace fast enough. The IJA suffered from this as well. They washed out pilot trainees to crew positions that would have been aces in any other air forces. Edited April 28, 2017 by BlitzPig_EL
Tag777 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Also, much of the success of the late war USN birds is because of the loss of so many of the IJN's combat experienced pilots that their vigorous training regimen just could not replace fast enough. The IJA suffered from this as well. I think this was the key, also. Sakai, for example, was able to outmaneuver the F6Fs in his supposedly inferior A6M, fighting alone against 15 of them!!
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