Wings Over the Reich - WWII Flight Sim

[jeanba]

On 10/11/2022 at 7:45 PM, Alexmarine said:

 

If they get the Morane as a flyable plane then I'll guess I will have to make the game finally work on my PC 

 

The Curtiss was probably a better performer than the Morane but when you say "Battle of France" I can only think of the MS406 as the iconic french fighter 

But the Curtiss was the highest scorer among in the French Air Force

[Vig]

Yes, I'm going to have to do this.

[Lusekofte]

If they get the Battle flyable,I’m in

[danielprates]

On 10/19/2022 at 3:43 PM, 216th_Lusekofte said:

If they get the Battle flyable,I’m in

 

Great plabe to be shot down with. As per RL!

[Lusekofte]

21 hours ago, danielprates said:

 

Great plabe to be shot down with. As per RL!

Well I am very good getting shot down. I always fly underdog. And it is remarkable how many times one get home(relatively speaking)

[danielprates]

3 hours ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Well I am very good getting shot down. I always fly underdog. And it is remarkable how many times one get home(relatively speaking)

 

Oh yeah but, really, I mean, the Fairey Battle.... oh man that was a bullet magnet right there. It ended its career as a flying target tug for the RAF, after being pretty much the same thing for the LW!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

  

39 minutes ago, Wolfstriked said:

In this world first impressions are everything!!

 

The first impression when you open a game is the main screen and menus.This game sucks in this regard and if I had not slogged thru it I would of never gave it a chance and it really is worth it.Happened to me with other sims and games too.BOS never grasped me cause the initial impression....I just hated that rotating plane in a hangar with sounds of electricity in background.For me this is a huge draw into a games world.IL2 original had that music that was so annoying that I started dreading entering that game until I turned off the music.

 

Kings of immersion....OBD games.Tell me this introduction doesn't tingle your inner war child. Look at 5:00 for game start up...

 

 

Here's Wolfstriked, a WOTR defender.

 

I really feel attracted by this simulation, Wolfstriked, but the graphics, which are superior to the first generation of IL-2 simulators (1946) are still inferior in quality to the last two generations of IL-2 games (Dover series and Great Battles series). Other than that, it must be a great sim, sure. The clouds and the weather engine look superb.

 

 

[Adger]

19 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

  

 

 

Here's Wolfstriked, a WOTR defender.

 

I really feel attracted by this simulation, Wolfstriked, but the graphics, which are superior to the first generation of IL-2 simulators (1946) are still inferior in quality to the last two generations of IL-2 games (Dover series and Great Battles series). Other than that, it must be a great sim, sure. The clouds and the weather engine look superb.

 

 

I actually prefer the scenery files in WOFF/WOTR than the GB series, the GB ground objects etc are better but let’s not forget this is still all being “done” in the very old CFS3 engine.

 

I’m not sure how many people work on the GB series but OBD has 2..that’s right 2 fellas do this. Combat flight sims are a niche product I’d never tell anyone what to do with their hard earned money but I’m of the opinion that OBD deserves possibly a bit more “praise” if that’s the right word than what they sometimes get, and definitely more sales. I know there’s folks who dismiss there products right off the bat maybe because of the engine it uses?...imo their missing out on a couple of very good sims, the A.I alone is worth the asking price.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Adger

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Gorgeous images. Sorry fellas if the question has been asked before: is the OBD engine VR-compatible?

 

 

[Adger]

22 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Gorgeous images. Sorry fellas if the question has been asked before: is the OBD engine VR-compatible?

 

 

Hi Kintaro, No not currently I believe it uses DX9 hopefully one day they’ll get it to VR standards.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Good, I don't have a VR headset yet. I'll see in the future if I purchase this game, I need to fix my rig first

 

Is there any major difference between the 2005 core engine (Over Flanders Fields) and the core engine that is currently being used (Wings Over Flanders Fields since 2014 and Wings  Over the Reich since 2018) ?

[Adger]

Still the same engine but..totally improved since the original Over Flanders fields, imho, better scenery, clouds, textures, A.I ..Over 7000 skins for BHAH II, the upcoming Battle of France is improving the WOTR scenery I believe. There’s also talk of new features aircraft etc coming next year to improve BHAH II.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

After a quick look at the internet, my understanding is that "BHAH" stands for "Between Heaven and Hell" but I don't know what exactly this is... what is it? a campaign?

 

 

[Adger]

59 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

After a quick look at the internet, my understanding is that "BHAH" stands for "Between Heaven and Hell" but I don't know what exactly this is... what is it? a campaign?

 

 

 

Ahh sorry no it’s the latest iteration of WOFF @343KKT_Kintaro it’s everything they’ve (WW1) done in one package.

 

features page...  https://overflandersfields.com/features.html

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Good! Thank you.

[busdriver]

7 hours ago, Adger said:

the A.I alone is worth the asking price.

 

I agree 100%.

[ST_Catchov]

8 hours ago, Adger said:

’m not sure how many people work on the GB series but OBD has 2..that’s right 2 fellas do this. Combat flight sims are a niche product I’d never tell anyone what to do with their hard earned money but I’m of the opinion that OBD deserves possibly a bit more “praise” if that’s the right word than what they sometimes get, and definitely more sales. I know there’s folks who dismiss there products right off the bat maybe because of the engine it uses?...imo their missing out on a couple of very good sims, the A.I alone is worth the asking price.

 

You did that on purpose Adger. You know how I love the Be2 and swoon at the sight of her beauty. Without which, there would not have been her son and heir, the magnificent Se5a! 

 

I agree with your sentiments. And as I type it is 11.00am on the 11th November down here. A minutes silence ....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Back in the 1980s and 1990s, I loved the B.E.2's beauty as soon as I saw her for the first time on the aviation history books by Enzo Angelucci and Paolo Matricardi. After that, in 1998, I loved her even more for its structural weakness in "Red Baron 3D"... fantastic game, but the B.E.2s dropped like flies, it really was the easiest plane to get down when flying German fighter aircraft!

 

 

[ST_Catchov]

Aye, she has that pre-war Edwardian steampunk look. A fine filly that did what was asked of her but sadly misused once the war got serious. But war is like that ....  

 

Back on topic, I can recommend WoTR for those into the Battle of Britain. And the Battle of France is being worked on as is further scenery improvement. Yeah it's based on an old engine which puts some people off .... but it's all about the vibe. You gotta have the vibe.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

Aye, she has that pre-war Edwardian steampunk look.

 

 

THIS!

 

 

8 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

Back on topic, I can recommend WoTR for those into the Battle of Britain.

 

 

I'm a great IL2CoD fan even if I'm sure that WOTR fills in the blanks what is truly missing or wrong in IL2CoD... but, still, for the Battle of Britain I prefer CoD. The love one may feel for IL2-1946 or for WOTR is the direct consequence of the concession one makes to a lack of good graphics (when compared to other games' graphics). In exchange, one gets a fluid smooth game that allows plenty of other good things, sure. But if I stare at the cockpits or at the trees on WOTR screenshots or on WOTR YouTube videos... ouch! So, yes, it's a matter of choices. I have nothing against any flight sim in particular, each has its own advantages and disadvantages.

 

 

8 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

And the Battle of France is being worked on as is further scenery improvement. Yeah it's based on an old engine which puts some people off .... but it's all about the vibe. You gotta have the vibe.

 

 

Yes, this add-on is a cool project. Not even '46 did it. In '46 you can reenact the Battle of France, sure, but this is the result of the avalanches of mods since 2007, not the  result of the developer's decision. Now, at OBD, this is a wanted child and, despite of my preferences, it will deserve to be purchased at release.

 

Two questions regarding this future flight-sim reenactment of the Battle of France:

 

1) Only three French aircraft are planned to be flyable? (H75, MB.152, MS.406).

 

2) How is that the only German flyable is a 109 E4? I thought that in the Battle of France the majority of 109s were E3s and that the E4 was present in few numbers only... isn't that correct?

 

 

[Alexmarine]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

1) Only three French aircraft are planned to be flyable? (H75, MB.152, MS.406).

 

2) How is that the only German flyable is a 109 E4? I thought that in the Battle of France the majority of 109s were E3s and that the E4 was present in few numbers only... isn't that correct?

 

 

 

1) Only the Curtiss at this stage, maybe the other two will follow just like the Spitfire was made available later in addition to the original Hurricane

 

2) That was my knowledge, wouldn't be surprised if something new came up about it though 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Ok Alexmarine, thank for your kind and quick response.

 

 

[Trooper117]

12 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

but it's all about the vibe. You gotta have the vibe.

 

100% agree Catch... but there are too many flight sim snobs out there that will never get that vibe because they think 'old' equals rubbish. (more fool them)

[Bando]

If someone asks me my age, I'll tell them I'm rubbish.....?
 

[Lusekofte]

44 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

100% agree Catch... but there are too many flight sim snobs out there that will never get that vibe because they think 'old' equals rubbish. (more fool them)

I am a snob preferring bombers. I do not like endless dogfights , but again GB ruined that part a great deal. I bought defence of the reich a year or two ago. Never got it to work. 
So in my opinion just getting 109 and Spit is not really my alley

[Lusekofte]

Well I lied, I bought it. And regretted it the moment I saw the interface for controls. 
It going to be 2024 before I find motivation enough to get that part right. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

9 hours ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

I bought defence of the reich a year or two ago

 

 

Sorry Lusekofte, "defence of the reich" you said ? Didn't you mean "Wings Over the Reich"? (in the 15 past years, "Defence of the Reich" happened at least twice, it was an online multiplayer campaign for "IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946").

 

 

[Lusekofte]

11 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Sorry Lusekofte, "defence of the reich" you said ? Didn't you mean "Wings Over the Reich"? (in the 15 past years, "Defence of the Reich" happened at least twice, it was an online multiplayer campaign for "IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946").

 

 

Yes I ment that. And it can no longer be downloaded. I had to buy it again. 
I never got the first to work. Now I cannot get controls right, but I am sure I will given more time
 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

On 11/11/2022 at 2:02 AM, ST_Catchov said:

You know how I love the Be2 and swoon at the sight of her beauty.

 

 

Psst psst...  https://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=279&t=216723 

 

 

[ST_Catchov]

20 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Psst psst... 

 

Shhh not so loud Kintaro. Flying machine porn! 

 

What was the be2f designed for? I'm unfamiliar with this particular lady.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

In order to stop the off topic, you'll find my response... here.

[Adger]

On 11/11/2022 at 10:58 AM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

2) How is that the only German flyable is a 109 E4? I thought that in the Battle of France the majority of 109s were E3s and that the E4 was present in few numbers only... isn't that correct?

 

 

Any information anywhere that you know of @343KKT_Kintaro ? I’ve had a quick scour of the net and didn’t really come up with anything thanks in advance if you manage to find anything out. ?

[jeanba]

Most of the account I read in May 1940 were talking about 109E3 when the version was mentionned (ie : not that often)

 

Note that some E1 were retroffitting to look very closely to E3

 

There was also some E4, but later in June I think

Edited November 14, 2022 by jeanba

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Merci jeanba. More exactly, the E-1 retrofitted to E-3 saw their two wing-mounted machine guns replaced by the two wing-mounted 20mm autocannons. Thank for mentioning the month of June 1940 as the arrival of the E-4s, that's a nice hint for further research.

 

Adger, somewhere there must be archives that may have recorded all the Luftwaffe units during operations Fall Gelb and Fall Rot (the two planned steps for the invasion of France). I'll ask some Frenchmen on the Checksix forums, let's see if we find these data. Any idea jeanba?

 

 

[jeanba]

For the E4, I don't know : I simply say that I saw pictures of E4 in June 40, much less (if any) in May 40.

 

For the E3, note that there are two versions :

Eraly (without armor plates nor fuel protection), and late

[Trooper117]

I remember reading that many E-1's and E-3's were refitted up to E-4 standard... I think there were well over 1,000 E-1's and E-3's produced, but the E-4's were only in the hundreds. I also remember that apart from weapon upgrades, the new square canopies and head armour were being fitted as well...

[BOO]

I always had July 1940 as the combat appearance of the E4 But this was the Battle of Britain and therefore an easy line in the sand. Many E1s and E3s were also converted to E4 standards both whilst on the production line and during major maintenance works after being in the field. For instance Russell Aviation's E4 is actually an E1. So an E3 werk number in the BoF could easily reappear in the BoB as to all intent and purposes an E4. 

 

Take a contemporary image of said E3/4 taken after July or later 1940, where the concensus is that it must be an E4 what with that new canopy and all and extrapolate that it must therefore have always been an E4 and you potentially get the confusion over E4s in the BoF. It could also have been the case of course that very late into the Battle of France (not that it was long in the first place) some E1s and E3s in maintenance could have gotten early conversion kits. 

 

Convention appears to be that if it had additonal armour and MGFFs its an E4 no matter what it started life as. Werk numbers were never changed. 

 

EDIT - and @Trooper117 makes a good point - loads of E3s not many E4s built. I wonder how many E3s in museums are technically E4s (perhaps with the older E3 canopy) and how many E4s started life as E1s and E3s?

 

@343KKT_Kintarosince I know how much you like rabbitholes try having  a look here - the detail and work thats gone into this project is incredible - https://me109.info/web.php?lang=en&auth=e&name=index

Edited November 14, 2022 by BOO

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Jeanba, Trooper, BOO... thank you you guys for all of these useful infos.

 

Funny, BOO, I saw that link (me109.info) years ago while exchanging emails with a friend of mine and now you bring it out of the past (I had completely forgotten that website). Thanks a bunch, will be useful to Agder, I'm sure.

 

Adger, at the Checksix forums, some French guys have already responded to my query:

 

warbird2000 recommends you to purchase the book "The Battle of France : Then and Now":

 

 

He recommends the kindle version for the advantage of the in-page researches.

 

On this book, lists of downed 109s mention the variant and precise the sub-variant (thus, if E-3 or E-4). It is told on its inner pages that as early as the 13th of May, a Bf 109 E-4 was downed by the French.

 

LEPEREMAGLOIRE recommends you to purchase the special-issue #10 of the magazine "Avions". Title reads "Avions, Hors Série Numéro 10 - Les Pertes de la chasse de jour allemande en France: 1939-1945" (litterally: "Planes, Special Issue Number 10 - Losses of German Day Fighter Units in France: 1939-1945").

 

 

Following the above mentioned special-issue, the first registered E-4 having been got down by the French was an E-4 of 2/JG53 and this happened on the 10th of May of 1940.

 

For an overall sight on the Luftwaffe losses, warbird2000 says you have this website: https://www.ww2.dk/

 

 

On the above noted website, for example, you'll find documents like this one, showing the losses of Jagdgeschwader Richthofen Nr. 2 (JG 2). Only an example:

 

http://www.ww2.dk/misc/jg2loss.pdf

 

On behalf of the French-speaking community of simmers, let me tell I hope the above will bring some help.

 

 

 

[Adger]

Wow @343KKT_Kintaro thank you, and thanks to all your French friends for the information provided fantastic stuff.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you to you Adger, I'll pass on your thanks to them.