Wings Over the Reich - WWII Flight Sim

[BOO]

On 10/19/2022 at 7:43 PM, 216th_Lusekofte said:

If they get the Battle flyable,I’m in

Said no actual Battle pilot ever……

 

What a truly terrible aircraft. Almost criminal. 
 

@343KKT_Kintaro it would be interesting to see if any werk numbers could be found for those downed E4s. Using Falcons site one could possible ascertain if there were conversions or new manufacture. 
 

The E4 appearing in July 40 of course plays nicely into the  English version of the BoB. I suspect it’s partially true in terms of them appearing in larger numbers. However, the narrative of those dastardly nazzzis (as Churchill would refer to them) bringing their best especially for us snd still getting a jolly good rogering is appealing. That the BEF got panned a couple of months earlier is brushed under the carpet a little I think. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by BOO

[343KKT_Kintaro]

"What a truly terrible aircraft. Almost criminal"

 

Agreed, at least following what I've read on the subject. Beautiful flying English lady nevertheless...

 

"it would be interesting to see if any werk numbers could be found for those downed E4s. Using Falcons site one could possible ascertain if there were conversions or new manufacture"

 

Too much work and not enough time my friend...

 

In connection with what you said about the E4s, well, apparently the E-4 sub-variant started to be directly manufactured in the German assembly lines at least as of May 1940. This is what the German Wikipedia article (on the Bf 109) implies (I used "Deepl" for an online automatic translation):

 

Die Entwicklung der E-Serie hatte vor Beginn der Luftkämpfe über England mit der Version E-4 zwar eine neue, vereinfachte Cockpithaube mit verbesserter Panzerung gebracht, doch die dringend notwendige Einführung eines Zusatztanks konnte vor dem Ende der Luftschlacht um England nicht mehr abgeschlossen werden. Dies gelang erst im Herbst 1940 mit der Version E-7.

 

IN ENGLISH:

 

Before the air battles over England began, development of the E-series had brought a new, simplified cockpit canopy with improved armor in the form of the E-4 version, but the urgently needed introduction of an auxiliary tank could not be completed before the end of the Battle of Britain. This was only achieved in the fall of 1940 with the E-7 version.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

What a truly terrible aircraft. Almost criminal. 

In real life yes. What you guy do not comprehend is that this is a game. Battle squadrons in real life serving in France was plane and simple heroes. They knew they got a one way ticket. They should be remembered for their sacrifice of trying, there where nothing else. 
Game wise it is a challenge. I loved to try to survive in it in old il2 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

In real life yes. What you guy do not comprehend is that this is a game. Battle squadrons in real life serving in France was plane and simple heroes. They knew they got a one way ticket. They should be remembered for their sacrifice of trying, there where nothing else. 
Game wise it is a challenge. I loved to try to survive in it in old il2 

 

 

In a flight sim I can fly whatever you want Lusekofte. I've already been a gunner trapped aboard a D3A1 as the pilot, my brave hikotaicho, tried to get into position to dive on an American battleship while we were surrounded by Wildcats. I can't count the number of times I took off knowing it was a one way ticket. Flight sims spirit = bushido spirit. We'll fly aboard the same Fairey Battle whenever you want (if ever modelled in a PC combat flight sim...).

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

5 December 2022 : update V1.25 is now available! ( https://www.wingsoverthereich.com/news.htm )

[Adger]

More news Dated 6 December..E3 will be a flyable  https://www.wingsoverthereich.com/news.htm

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

Nice. Wonder if they could ever get VR up and going.

[Lusekofte]

11 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

Nice. Wonder if they could ever get VR up and going.

With that game engine , would it at all be possible? There is also a lot of 3 D modeling to do 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

16 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

With that game engine , would it at all be possible? There is also a lot of 3 D modeling to do 

 

 

This is exactly what I thought: how many 2D elements does this sim include in the cockpits? Maybe a VR compatibility would be excessively time consuming. At any rate, I still think they are very enterprising and should be supported. I do support them.

 

These are the screenshots they shared yesterday.

 

Bloch MB.152 (AI):

 

 

 

Morane MS.406 (AI):

 

 

 

Morane MS.406 (AI):

 

 

 

The Dunkirk mole:

 

 

 

Dunkirk aerial view:

 

 

 

Two inner views inside a player-flyable Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3:

 

 

 

 

The player-flyable Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3, external view:

 

 

 

An E-3 shoots at a Blenheim that came to bring some support to the Dunkirk evacuation:

 

 

 

In the future, next year most likely, single-player campaigns of "Wings Over the Reich", players would be allowed to fly Spitfires taking off from British airfields in support missions for the Dunkirk evacuation:

 

 

 

A French airfield is under the German bombs:

 

 

 

War spreads around at the place and, at night, fires start at the French city of Dunkirk:

 

 

 

 

[DragonDaddy]

Is this a modded version of CFS3?

[Lusekofte]

11 minutes ago, DragonDaddy said:

Is this a modded version of CFS3?

They own cfs 3 game engine and builds a very good ww1 and 2 sim of it. 
but vr require 3 d models in cockpit. I thing much need to be rebuilt 

[danielprates]

8 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

This is exactly what I thought: how many 2D elements does this sim include in the cockpits? Maybe a VR compatibility would be excessively time consuming. At any rate, I still think they are very enterprising and should be supported. I do support them.

 

These are the screenshots they shared yesterday.

 

Bloch MB.152 (AI):

 

 

 

Morane MS.406 (AI):

 

 

 

Morane MS.406 (AI):

 

 

 

The Dunkirk mole:

 

 

 

Dunkirk aerial view:

 

 

 

Two inner views inside a player-flyable Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3:

 

 

 

 

The player-flyable Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3, external view:

 

 

 

An E-3 shoots at a Blenheim that came to bring some support to the Dunkirk evacuation:

 

 

 

In the future, next year most likely, single-player campaigns of "Wings Over the Reich", players would be allowed to fly Spitfires taking off from British airfields in support missions for the Dunkirk evacuation:

 

 

 

A French airfield is under the German bombs:

 

 

 

War spreads around at the place and, at night, fires start at the French city of Dunkirk:

 

 

 

 

 

This actually looks pretty good. I for one don't mind the old-ish graphics, if tk compensate we can fly planes or fly on places out of the ordinary.

 

What 2-engine planes are there?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

18 hours ago, danielprates said:

What 2-engine planes are there?

 

 

This is what I found so far:

 

Flyables (Wings Over the Reich):

 

Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Ia

Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Ib early
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Ib
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.IIa

Hawker Hurricane Mk.I Late
Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4

 

AI only (Wings Over the Reich):

 

Junkers Ju88 A1
Junkers Ju87 B1
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C4
Dornier Do17 Z2
Heinkel He111 H2

 

Flyables (Battle of France add-on):

 

Curtiss H75
Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3
Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4

 

AI only (Battle of France add-on):

 

Bloch MB.152
Morane MS.406
Bristol Blenheim Mk.IV

 

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by 343KKT_Kintaro

[Trooper117]

You missed out flyable Hurricane and Spitfire for the BoF...

[343KKT_Kintaro]

15 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

You missed out flyable Hurricane and Spitfire for the BoF...

 

 

I may be wrong but I didn't include them in the add-on's lists because these subvariants that are flyable in the game (the Hurricane with Rotol propeller and the Spitfire with De Havilland two-speed propeller) were ready for the Battle of Britain but not yet for the Battle of France.

 

 

[Trooper117]

Yes, but we will fly the Hurricane over in France, and we will fly the Spitfire from England to cover Dunkirk... as per the historical facts...

[343KKT_Kintaro]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Yes, but we will fly the Hurricane over in France, and we will fly the Spitfire from England to cover Dunkirk... as per the historical facts...

 

 

Absolutely, this is why, in my post, these subvariants are mentioned in the "Over the Reich" list.

 

 

[Trooper117]

You also missed the Spitfire MkIb early, Spitfire MkIb, and Spitfire MkIIa, flyable for BoB.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

10 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

You also missed the Spitfire MkIb early, Spitfire MkIb, and Spitfire MkIIa, flyable for BoB.

 

 

Hey, Trooper, are you sure? The official website reads:

 

-  -  -  Quotation  -  -  -

 

Detailed Player Flyable Aircraft:

Supermarine Spitfire Mk IA
Hawker Hurricane Mk I (Late)
Messerschmitt Bf109 E4

 

-  -  -  End of quotaion  -  -  -

 

Source : https://www.wingsoverthereich.com/

[Adger]

Pic taken off the news page lads...

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

LoL, how is that I didn't see that? I read too fast! My lists have been updated now. Done!

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

The expansion "The Battle of France" has been released two days ago (scroll down the page):

 

https://www.overflandersfields.com/store.html

 

 

[Trooper117]

It was released on the 1st Feb 2023...

[DragonDaddy]

Have the graphics been updated or are they identical to what was used in CFS3?

[Guest deleted@188321]

4 hours ago, DragonDaddy said:

Have the graphics been updated or are they identical to what was used in CFS3?

Basically the same.

It's a pig in lipstick with terrible flight models and severely outdated graphics but with a second-to-none campaign system and pretty neat AI.

[Adger]

WOTR BOF Unfriendly Skies..

 

Edited November 14, 2024 by Adger

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

Stunning for been CFS3 engine.

[sevenless]

Best Battle of France, Battle of Britain single player experience. Highly recommended!

[Adger]

A Few more.

 

[jg123410]

Hi Folks,

 

Thanks for posting the screens. Two questions for those that have played the game:

1. Are the home airfields/airfields populated with objects and humans/soldiers, even if they are static?
2. Is there an option to easily open the editor and customize things for a quick mission, so you can add some things if you wanted?

Thanks in advance! - JG123410.

Edited November 15, 2024 by jg123410

[Lusekofte]

On 11/15/2022 at 12:31 AM, BOO said:

 

What a truly terrible aircraft. Almost criminal. 

It was designes in mid war. Like many other of those designs you can put  with civil war tactics used in ww1 not thinking machine guns was invented. 
Battle had no conceivable way to deliver its ordinance anywhere without a considerable escort which they did not have, it could not function on a moderate defended battlefield either. Only thing making the Stuka usable was organised fast attacks with escort and a formidable army pushing right behind. 
once they took on England they where sitting ducks. 
I can understand the mistake of ordering Battles. I would fly them too if they came along, they are reminding me of the valour of crew manning them in France. They flew suicidal missions

[BladeMeister]

On 3/6/2023 at 11:58 AM, DragonDaddy said:

Have the graphics been updated or are they identical to what was used in CFS3?

 

On 3/6/2023 at 4:24 PM, Guest deleted@188321 said:

Basically the same.

It's a pig in lipstick with terrible flight models and severely outdated graphics

Not true. The original CFS3 looked horrible. The graphics in both WOFF & WOTR are definitely updated. There is a whole new weather system, 150km render distance now and there are landscape updates since the original WOFF & WOTR. Both of these sims are what they are, not the most up to date FMs but it is still fun to fly both. Mainly both of these sims would be more for simmers from back in the day. The immersion in both is very good as far as the AI and the main campaign.

All this IMHO

 

S!Blade<><

[Trooper117]

37 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

The immersion in both is very good as far as the AI and the main campaign.

 

The best as far as I'm concerned, that's why I still use it after all these years... and yes, the fm isn't top of the tree, but they are still fantastic games.

[Adger]

On 11/15/2024 at 2:19 PM, jg123410 said:

Hi Folks,

 

Thanks for posting the screens. Two questions for those that have played the game:

1. Are the home airfields/airfields populated with objects and humans/soldiers, even if they are static?
2. Is there an option to easily open the editor and customize things for a quick mission, so you can add some things if you wanted?

Thanks in advance! - JG123410.

Hi @jg123410 There's objects there i dont think ive seen humans/soldiers at the airfields, but there's a multitude of objects in the game "world" tanks etc.

 

There's no editor but there is a quick combat option where you can free flight,customize how many are in your flight do airfield attacks etc..

 

 

Actually rather attached to the Curtis..

 

[jg123410]

Thanks @Adger

 

I appreciate you posting the information and the screenshot of the quick combat option!

 

Cheers!

[Adger]

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Damn. That looks pretty awesome actually 👍

[Monk_xx]

Quote

NOTE:- This update cannot be applied to WOTR - only if you have the DLC: 'Battle of France' Expansion

Literally charging money for patches.

Do new features and new weather work in Battle of Britain scenario/campaigns?

[peterk1]

5 hours ago, fury1ord said:

Literally charging money for patches.

Do new features and new weather work in Battle of Britain scenario/campaigns?

 

It'll probably be made available to vanilla WoTR eventually.

They posted this a few months ago on SimHQ where their main forum is....

 

After the release of WOFF, we WILL have a large update for WOTR! It will be using the new visual enhancements and other additions that we have created for WOFF!

That will be likely be FREE. We can't release details of that yet as WOFF BH&H II Expansion / DLC is not out and full features are not released.

 

 

 

 

Just curious if the cloud style has changed as part of the new weather system?

To be honest the only graphics that seem old style in this game is the way they implemented clouds when you're flying through them. They don't look very good, but they definitely increase the anxiety and terror factor of flying through them compared to IL2.

[Adger]

 

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Edited March 20 by Adger