Announcing Project VPC MongoosT-50

[Seb71]

2 minutes ago, Ishtaru said:

Is there a sepcial store when you want to buy a Virpil product in the EU?

 

Im asking because on there website under delivery are only non EU countrys.

Yes, there is a special Virpil store for EU.

[Blutaar]

Thank you!

[MK_RED13]

Hello, I have TM Warthog grip on T50 base.. is there any way to calibrate Axis Z or disable it when I dont have T50 grip ?

Thx.

Ed.

[BOO]

7 minutes ago, MK_RED13 said:

Hello, I have TM Warthog grip on T50 base.. is there any way to calibrate Axis Z or disable it when I dont have T50 grip ?

Thx.

Ed.

As far as I know it will only be recognised as a button not an analogue axis. Don't know if it can be disabled. 

[MK_RED13]

Thx for reply.. yes.. it is recognised as a button..but in windows setting is Axis Z too ... ? 

[Sokol1]

But since in Warthog there's no way to press this Z axis, what issue this cause?

 

The only possible scenery is if axis is not set in 0 input.

 

[HunDread]

Does the VPC MongoosT-50 Base have mounting options on the bottom?

 

Thanks

[BOO]

2 minutes ago, -[HRAF]Black_Sab said:

Does the VPC MongoosT-50 Base have mounting options on the bottom?

 

Thanks

no - it has to be mounted by the plate on the back edge.

[E69_Qpassa_VR]

I wonder if you have a metal joystick option as a future project @VIRPILControls

[Sokol1]

I don't know about VPC, but VKB say that will not make a "metal" grip of their MCG grip (they say that a metal version only add $20/30 in price) because this will result in an ~2KG grip with nasty effects for joystick base/gimbal/CAM/springs, and none real advantage.

 

 

[HunDread]

Can someone please let me know the exact height of the VPC MongoosT-50 Grip and Base separately?

 

I'm thinking of ordering and need to decide how long extension I should order.

 

Thanks.

 

[335th_GRMultiDoc]

Base: bottom to top 85mm

Stick: (while installed on the base) top of the base to top of stick 285mm

Total: 37cm

 

Hope this helps

[HunDread]

Thank you

[GER_GD]

Order for my Base was on Sunday in the Virpil EU store and on Friday everything was here !!

Base, Desk mount and extension kit.

I will try it first with the 225 extensions...

 

[Seb71]

3 minutes ago, SYN_GD said:

I will try it first with the 225 extensions...

According to the Russian manual, maximum is 150 mm.

[Sokol1]

Specifically:

 

 

 

На шток базы VPC МангусТ-50® Base разрешается устанавливать РУ VPC МангусТ-50® Grip (в т.ч. совместимые РУ) отдельно со следующими удлинителями:

- VPC Extension 50;

- VPC Extension 75;

- VPC Extension 100;

- одновременно с удлинителями VPC Extension 50 и VPC Extension 75;

- одновременно с удлинителями VPC Extension 50 и VPC Extension 100.

Запрещается использовать одновременно несколько удлинителей VPC Extension суммарная длинна которых превышает 150 мм, независимо от типа используемой РУ!

 

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InVPC MongoosT-50® Base can be installed VPC MongoosT50® Grip  (including compatible grip) with the following extension separately:
- VPC Extension 50;
- VPC Extension 75;
- VPC Extension 100;
- simultaneously with the extensions VPC Extension 50 and VPC Extension 75;
- simultaneously with extensions VPC Extension 50 and VPC Extension 100.

It is forbidden use several VPC extensions at the same time, which total length exceeds 150 mm, regardless the type of grip used!
 

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by Sokol1

[GER_GD]

Yep, read that also ..

Thank you both !!

Go now with 150 ...

[VIRPILControls]

►VPC Pre-Order & Production Update

 

We would like to keep everyone updated with the status of our pre-order products and production, so today we’re pleased to share some new photos and news directly from our new production factory!

 

We’re happy to confirm that everything is currently moving forward as planned as per our last announcement.

 

 

The VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle, VPC WarBRD Base and VPC Constellation Delta Grip production is in full swing at our factory. The first serial units have already moved off the production line!

 

 

The VPC Constellation Delta has undergone some final changes based on real world testing including; newly designed hats that are more comfortable to use and prevent accidental inputs. The hat mechanism itself is a very high quality unit provided by ALPS which provides excellent feedback. The secondary fire button beneath the main trigger is also now recessed to prevent accidental inputs.

 

We’re very excited to get these products in everyone’s hands and we’re standing by 9th July as the beginning of pre-order dispatches.

 

We must thank everyone for their patience during the time we’ve spent setting up our factory which had unfortunately slid everything back from our first estimates. However, the future is very bright and as everything comes together we’ll be fully equipped for future product launches!

 

As always, if anyone has any questions, please contact us at support@virpil.com.

 

Thanks,
VIRPIL Controls Team

[335th_GRMultiDoc]

Thanks for the update, much appreciated.

 

So if I understand this correct, the earliest you will start shipping will be July 9th ?

 

I am sorry if I sound sour, but this is a bit different from what you said in your last announcement.

 

Well better late than never I guess...

 

(Personally I will to be away/abroad from 13 July until the 30th, so this is of major concern to me since there won't be anyone to take delivery and I fear i might end up having to deal with a returned shipping etc. And before I get flak for being critic to a great product, please realize that I appreciate difficulties and changes that might happen, while at the same time delay upon delay is quite a bit too much and even more so when it's coupled with less than ideal comms)

[SYN_Vander]

Good news! Can't wait to try out that throttle!

[VIRPILControls]

5 часов назад, 335th_GRMultiDoc сказал:

Thanks for the update, much appreciated.

 

So if I understand this correct, the earliest you will start shipping will be July 9th ?

 

I am sorry if I sound sour, but this is a bit different from what you said in your last announcement.

 

Well better late than never I guess...

 

(Personally I will to be away/abroad from 13 July until the 30th, so this is of major concern to me since there won't be anyone to take delivery and I fear i might end up having to deal with a returned shipping etc. And before I get flak for being critic to a great product, please realize that I appreciate difficulties and changes that might happen, while at the same time delay upon delay is quite a bit too much and even more so when it's coupled with less than ideal comms)

 

Please note that our previous update also stated 9th July:

https://virpil.com/en/blog/132-vpc-pre-order-and-factory-update

 

We have been posting updates regarding the pre-order production as frequently as possible! Also, can you please email support@virpil.com regarding your pre-order shipping, we will be able to schedule your shipment to arrive when you return so that you do not incur additional costs from returned deliveries.

[No_85_Gramps]

I think he is referring to this, from the blog: 

Small scale production has already started at our factory, and shipments will start sooner - but as everything comes together and the final pieces are put in place we will ramp up to full production on July 9th after which the bulk of pre-order shipments will be dispatched.

[GridiroN]

@VIRPILControls What is the pricing on the T50 throttle? im in the market to replace my current throttle.

[335th_GRMultiDoc]

On 6/17/2018 at 12:04 AM, VIRPILControls said:

 

Please note that our previous update also stated 9th July:

https://virpil.com/en/blog/132-vpc-pre-order-and-factory-update

 

We have been posting updates regarding the pre-order production as frequently as possible! Also, can you please email support@virpil.com regarding your pre-order shipping, we will be able to schedule your shipment to arrive when you return so that you do not incur additional costs from returned deliveries.

 

Appreciate your reply. Will email support and hopefully this can be arranged.

 

As for your question in regards to the previous announcement, (as @Gramps also pointed), it was said that pre-orders would have started sooner than the 9th July, while now it's said that the 9th is the earliest they would start.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I understand the MongoosT-50 Base needs to be mounted but is there available a mounting plate for the bottom that has holes that are compatible with the Warthog Flight Stick?  The desktop mounts will not work for me.  I am looking at mounting it on a Wheel Stand Pro.

[BOO]

20 minutes ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

I understand the MongoosT-50 Base needs to be mounted but is there available a mounting plate for the bottom that has holes that are compatible with the Warthog Flight Stick?  The desktop mounts will not work for me.  I am looking at mounting it on a Wheel Stand Pro.

had the same issue - - heres my solution. The lumber is 26 mm thick with m4 cable nuts inserted (you can screw the bolt directly in too), the hole is 38mm dia, the angle is 15degrees which matches the stick deflection. I use a 100mm extension, a 150 would be better. 

 

You can mount the gimble by its base. 

 

 

[kalbuth]

I made my own stand, but did not realise the 225 total extension was too much! Now I need to reduce the extension length, but that may push th stick too low, I don't want to rebuild everything

Is the 100 + 75 extension combination a real no no? That's only 2.5cm diff but it's what makes my stand still useable

[Seb71]

I would re-think that mount anyway.

[kalbuth]

what's so wrong?

[Seb71]

The loads should only be taken by that U-bracket (or directly by the gimbal, if you remove the U-bracket). Not exactly the case with your design.

 

Also the metal bar that is holding the back of the case looks to be in the way.

[kalbuth]

So, to understand this correctly : I set it up so that it maintains the whole gimbal in place, but it is actually attached through the U bracket. The bar in the back is preventing the gimbal to rotate forward when pushing the stick near the front limit, since my L shaped bars holding the U bracket are a little bit too weak, and the whole stand prevents rotation backward when pulling.

 

What you say is that this will put too much pressure on the stick inner parts and the whole gimbal is supposed be able to rotate slightly, by having the U Bracket twists a little bit as well as its attachment?

[Seb71]

6 minutes ago, kalbuth said:

The bar in the back is preventing the gimbal to rotate forward when pushing the stick near the front limit, since my L shaped bars holding the U bracket are a little bit too weak, and the whole stand prevents rotation backward when pulling.

The small piece of wood on the front obviously can't take the load. Also, the screw even split it. And the L brackets from the front are flimsy, as you noticed.

 

If the gimbal is properly hold by the U-bracket, there is no need to also secure the back side.

[kalbuth]

I work with what I have at hand

Question is, is it a dangerous setup for the hardware? It works fine as is, but if it's dangerously overstressing some parts, I'll rework the whole thing.

 

[BOO]

8 minutes ago, kalbuth said:

So, to understand this correctly : I set it up so that it maintains the whole gimbal in place, but it is actually attached through the U bracket. The bar in the back is preventing the gimbal to rotate forward when pushing the stick near the front limit, since my L shaped bars holding the U bracket are a little bit too weak, and the whole stand prevents rotation backward when pulling.

 

What you say is that this will put too much pressure on the stick inner parts and the whole gimbal is supposed be able to rotate slightly, by having the U Bracket twists a little bit as well as its attachment?

Not answering for Seb but nothing should flex. Equally the case shouldn't be used to compensate for a weak fixture elsewhere. 2.5cm doesn't sound a lot but its a fair bit of added force. 

 

you could perhaps reinforce your current set up by doing away with the brackets and instead fitting a further piece of mdf to the rear of the block and bolting on a horizontal mounting for the gimbal to it. From the picture it wouldn't alter the position of the stick.  Marking and drilling out the mount to 3mm will also allow your M4 bolts to get greater purchase. Using M4 cable jointing nuts would incease hold further.  The added here is that you could increase the height of the base and therefore remove the offending 75mm extension. 

[Seb71]

Your mounting solution puts some stress on the case. And combined with the long extensions you plan to use, that's not good.

 

Something like this is better than your solution:

 

If that L-bracket is long enough, it can also be installed backwards (with the horizontal section under the gimbal base).

[BOO]

6 minutes ago, kalbuth said:

I work with what I have at hand

Question is, is it a dangerous setup for the hardware? It works fine as is, but if it's dangerously overstressing some parts, I'll rework the whole thing.

 

Well its not recommended and explicitly advised against by Virpil......

[Seb71]

You can also mount the base front-to-back (and invert the axes), if that gives you better mounting options in your setup.

[kalbuth]

What I understood from the manual is that Virpil advises against mounting the base via the underside bolts, which is not what I'm doing.

Seb, I've been looking for suitable L Bracket (ie, holes facing the holes), couldn't find around my place

I'm missing the plate you've put in the middle

 

Thanks a lot for the advices, gents, anyway. I'll think it through more. (and I'm still open to any suggestion )

[Seb71]

That's not mine.

 

That small bar/plate you can cut and drill yourself.

[No_85_Gramps]

Here is a pic showing my mount. Section of 2x4, glued and pocket screwed to base, piece of 1/2" baltic birch glued/screwed to back of 2x4, and then 4 screws into the T-50 base.