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I noticed in this table that you have 4.(Pz)/Sch.G 1, 8.(Pz)/Sch.G 1, 4.(Pz)/Sch.G 2, and Pz.Jg.St./JG 51 at Kerch IV. All of my sources say they were at Kerch V

I saw only Kerch IV or Kerch and now we think it's the same airfield. But we never meet Kerch V in any sources or maps...

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And please, check my info about SG 2 at Kuban in October if you can.

 

SG 2 was created from St.G. 2 on the 18th of October (like all the other SG units then in existence), so I don't think this one will be relevant to the campaign. 

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I was thinking about that as well. Most of the tables I've seen show them having only 3 or so Ju 87s at any one time.

 

Well, Stukas operated on the base of 3 (a Kette) so that would actually be right. However, looking through the sparse information one finds the Stäbe were usually quite busy in coordinating their subordinate Gruppen and had little to no time for flying ops (unless the officers actively worked to give themselves the time). I'd rather not have the Stäbe in the campaign beyond being mentioned because they were mostly about administrative work. Just my 0,02 € ...

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SG 2 was created from St.G. 2 on the 18th of October (like all the other SG units then in existence), so I don't think this one will be relevant to the campaign. 

OMG, I forgot about October 18... Yes, you're right

 

Also about Kerch. This is a map for 1942. There are also Kerch-2 and Kerch-Osoaviahim airfields...

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I will begin to compare my tables to your and csThor's data for Stalingrad in the next few days. Thanks again)

 

Ok, just so you know, I need to update a few things for the ground attack units at Stalingrad, especially in relation to Sch.G.1. The info I have up in this post here is not entirely complete right now. 

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Ok, just so you know, I need to update a few things for the ground attack units at Stalingrad, especially in relation to Sch.G.1. The info I have up in this post here is not entirely complete right now. 

Ok, I'll start on Monday

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Squad No. / Name III./JG 51   Dates Squad flew in Theater    Yermolino (in game: Inyutino) - October ?? 1941 to December 6 1941 Spas-Lykshina (unknown location) - December 6 1941 to December 17 1941 - could be substituted by airfields like Maloyaroslavec, Polotnyaniy Zavod or Mjatlevo Yukhnov - December 17 1941 to December 22 1941 Dugino - December 22 1941 to April 1942   Type of Planes Flown  Bf 109 F-2 (+ a few Bf 109 F-4)   Dates Plane Types were Changed not applicable   Type of Missions Fighter   ***********************************   Squad No. / Name IV./JG 51   Dates Squad flew in Theater    Yermolino (in game: Inyutino) - October ?? 1941 to December 17 1941 Yukhnov - December 17 1941 to March 1942 Vyazma - March 1942 to May 20 1942   Type of Planes Flown  Bf 109 F-2 (+ a few Bf 109 F-4)   Dates Plane Types were Changed not applicable   Type of Missions Fighter

 

Is there a way the E-7s could be worked into the JG 51 formations, since they were known to fly as Jabos at this time?  

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Is there a way the E-7s could be worked into the JG 51 formations, since they were known to fly as Jabos at this time?  

 

No, all of JG 51 was operating Bf 109 F of various subtypes. That would be a stretch too far for me.

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No, all of JG 51 was operating Bf 109 F of various subtypes. That would be a stretch too far for me.

 

You sure? The caption for these photos says they were of 2./JG 51 in February 1942, and I thought for sure I read somewhere that each JG 51 gruppen had a jabostaffel equipped with Emils during this time:

 

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Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-2.JG51-Black-4-S

 

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Squad No. / Name: 8./Sch.G.1 Dates Squad flew in Theater: 23 August 1942 - late November 1942 Type of Planes Flown: Bf 109 E-7 Dates Plane Types were Changed: N/A Airfields: Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942 Tusov: September 1942 Late November 1942: withdrawn for rest and conversion to Hs 129

 

8./Schl.G.1 was not converted to Hs129!

 

6./Schl.G.1 (Hs129) became 8.(Pz)/Schl.G.1, and 8./Schl.G.1 (Bf109E) became 6./Schl.G.1 in same time. Thus, new II./Schl.G.1 was formed:

 

Stab II./Schl.G.1 was formed in Poland from scratch.

5./Schl.G.1 (Fw190) was formed in Poland under command of Hptm. Kennel.

6./Schl.G.1 (Bf109E) was formed from 8./Schl.G.1 under command of Oblt. Stollnberger in USSR, but on very same moment they gave all Bf109's to I./Schl.G.1 and went to Deblin-Irena to receive Fw190.

7./Schl.G.1 operated in Stalingrad area with Hs123.

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I'd be careful to attribute them to JG 51 at all, because I believe these were made in Dugino and showed aircraft of JG 51 side by side with the Emils of II.(Schlacht)/LG 2 (or I./SchG 1 - depending on the exact date of said photos). And given that I./JG 51 and I./SchG 1 operated as Gefechtsverband Dugino under the same command (and given the low aircraft numbers www.ww2.dk lists for I./SchG 1 in March 1942) I am beginning to think that the few E-7 listed by the same site under I./JG 51 are actually the few "surviving" Emils of I./SchG 1 - the numbers are far too close to be a coincidence. I severely doubt that JG 51 "downgraded" one or more of its Staffeln, especially since I have photos of Friedrichs belonging to 2./JG 51 and a few more belonging to 7./JG 51 which show the aircraft with a bombrack in the centerline and 4 SC50.

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@ csThor:

 

2./JG51 was a JaBo Staffel of I./JG51 since Battle of Britain. Due to heavy losses in Ostfront, it just received several Bf109E-7's during winter of 1941 /42. 

 

06.02.1942 2./JG 51 Lt. Joachim Brendel WIA unfreiwillige Bodenberührung, Bruchlandung, Staraja Russa 100% Bf 109E-7 5079 ?
07.02.1942 Stab I./JG 51 N.N. no Flak, Bruchlandung, Staraja Russa 100% Bf 109E-7 5103 ?
15.02.1942 2./JG 51 N.N. no Erdbeschuss, Notlandung, Staraja Russa 10% Bf 109E-7 6130 ?
20.03.1942 2./JG 51 N.N. no Flak, Bauchlandung, Staraja Russa 20% Bf 109E-7 1257 ?
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8./Schl.G.1 was not converted to Hs129!

 

6./Schl.G.1 (Hs129) became 8.(Pz)/Schl.G.1, and 8./Schl.G.1 (Bf109E) became 6./Schl.G.1 in same time. Thus, new II./Schl.G.1 was formed:

So, can I use 8./Schl.G.1 (Bf 109 E-7) in this time period (23 August 1942 - late November 1942) for BOS?

 

Also, what do you think about Gr.7 Van. for BOS? I'd use it as AI unit.

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Guys, I'm finding any info about Panzerjagdkommando Weiss (Otto Weiß) that used Ju 87 G-1 the spring of 1943 at Kuban.
I can assume that they were based in Kerch or Bagerorvo from April until the beginning of July 1943

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Guys, I'm finding any info about Panzerjagdkommando Weiss (Otto Weiß) that used Ju 87 G-1 the spring of 1943 at Kuban.

I can assume that they were based in Kerch or Bagerorvo from April until the beginning of July 1943

Pz.Jg.Kdo Weiss was a HeadQuarter unit, served as a Stab for all Hs129 equipped Staffeln during Battle of Kuban and Battle of Kursk. Later, was used to form Stab IV.(Pz)/SG9.

 

Versuchskommando fur Panzerbekampfung was a experiment unit, consisted of 3 Staffeln:

1.Staffel with Ju87G-1 - formed from St.G.1 crews in march 1943, in june became 10.(Pz.)/St.G.1

2.Staffel with Ju87G-1 - formed from St.G.1 crews in march 1943, in june became 10.(Pz.)/St.G.2

3.Staffel with Bf110G-2/R1 - formed from 5./ZG1 crews in march 1943, in june became Pz.Jg.Staffel./ZG1

 

V.Kdo f.P.B. operated in spring 1943 from Poltawa airfield.

So, can I use 8./Schl.G.1 (Bf 109 E-7) in this time period (23 August 1942 - late November 1942) for BOS?

 

Also, what do you think about Gr.7 Van. for BOS? I'd use it as AI unit.

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Yes. 8./Schl.G.1 was attached to Bf109E-equipped I./Schl.G.1 and operated from same airfields and so on. Check this post.

 

For Gr.7.Van. - check this.

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8./Schl.G.1 was not converted to Hs129!

 

6./Schl.G.1 (Hs129) became 8.(Pz)/Schl.G.1, and 8./Schl.G.1 (Bf109E) became 6./Schl.G.1 in same time. 

 

But, that's not going to matter for the game. The game is going to see it the unit as 8./Sch.G 1 for Moscow and Stalingrad, and then it's going to see it as 8.(Pz)/Sch.G 1 for Kuban. There's no need to make it more complicated than that. 

 

So, can I use 8./Schl.G.1 (Bf 109 E-7) in this time period (23 August 1942 - late November 1942) for BOS?

 

 

Yes. 8./Schl.G.1 was attached to Bf109E-equipped I./Schl.G.1 and operated from same airfields and so on. Check this post.

 

 For the most part, yes. BlackSix, the timeline I included in my post up above is still valid. 

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But, that's not going to matter for the game. The game is going to see it the unit as 8./Sch.G 1 for Moscow and Stalingrad, and then it's going to see it as 8.(Pz)/Sch.G 1 for Kuban. There's no need to make it more complicated than that. 

 

All pilots of 8./Schl.G.1, who flew over Stalingrad, went back to Deblin Irena in late winter 1942-1943, where Staffel was renamed and equipped with Fw190. Then it went back to the front at Kuban region as 6./Schl.G.1.

 

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StaKa - Oblt. Stollnebger, RK-Trager.

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It was SAME Staffel, and You may agree or not with that fact.

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Yes. 8./Schl.G.1 was attached to Bf109E-equipped I./Schl.G.1 and operated from same airfields and so on. Check this post.

Thanks, but now the picture has become very unclear...

 

Stab./Sch.G 1 +  I./Sch.G 1 + 8./Sch.G 1

August - November 22 - Tuzov (and Karpovka?)

November 23 - November 26 - Oblivskaya

November 26 - ??? - ???

December - Millerovo (2./Sch.G 1)

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Pz.Jg.Kdo Weiss was a HeadQuarter unit, served as a Stab for all Hs129 equipped Staffeln during Battle of Kuban and Battle of Kursk. Later, was used to form Stab IV.(Pz)/SG9.

 

Versuchskommando fur Panzerbekampfung was a experiment unit, consisted of 3 Staffeln:

1.Staffel with Ju87G-1 - formed from St.G.1 crews in march 1943, in june became 10.(Pz.)/St.G.1

2.Staffel with Ju87G-1 - formed from St.G.1 crews in march 1943, in june became 10.(Pz.)/St.G.2

3.Staffel with Bf110G-2/R1 - formed from 5./ZG1 crews in march 1943, in june became Pz.Jg.Staffel./ZG1

 

V.Kdo f.P.B. operated in spring 1943 from Poltawa airfield.

Hmm, then whole this text about Kuban is fake? (Юнкерс Ju 87 - пикирующий бомбардировщик А. Медведь, Д. Хазанов)

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They couldn't fly to Azov Sea from Poltava, the distance is 500 km...

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Therer is an evidence of 1 and 3 Staffel of that Kommando at Poltawa in march '43. They could possibly move to Kuban area...

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All pilots of 8./Schl.G.1, who flew over Stalingrad, went back to Deblin Irena in late winter 1942-1943, where Staffel was renamed and equipped with Fw190. Then it went back to the front at Kuban region as 6./Schl.G.1.

 

It was SAME Staffel, and You may agree or not with that fact.

 

No argument at all, I totally understand what you are saying and I appreciate you sharing this sort of info. :) If we had a separate, unique 6./Sch.G 1 in the game, then I could see renaming 8./Sch.G 1 after Stalingrad. But, to keep things from being overly complicated, I think it's just best to have one 8. Staffel for the entire campaign. 

Thanks, but now the picture has become very unclear...

 

Stab./Sch.G 1 +  I./Sch.G 1 + 8./Sch.G 1

August - November 22 - Tuzov (and Karpovka?)

November 23 - November 26 - Oblivskaya

November 26 - ??? - ???

December - Millerovo (2./Sch.G 1)

 

This info that I posted above is still valid:

 

Squad No. / Name: Stab/Sch.G.1

Dates Squad flew in Theater: 23 August 1942 - 2 February 1943
Type of Planes Flown: Bf 109 E-7
Dates Plane Types were Changed: N/A
Airfields:
  • Tuzov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 2 October 1942
  • Morozovskaya: 26 November 1942
  • Millerovo: December 1942
  • Voroshilovgrad: January 1943

Squad No. / Name: I./Sch.G.1

Dates Squad flew in Theater: 23 August 1942 - 2 February 1943
Type of Planes Flown: Bf 109 E-7
Dates Plane Types were Changed: N/A
Airfields:
  • Tusov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 30 November 1942
  • Millerovo: 20 December
  • Schachty, Voroshilovgrad: January 1943

Squad No. / Name: 8./Sch.G.1

Dates Squad flew in Theater: 23 August 1942 - late November 1942
Type of Planes Flown: Bf 109 E-7
Dates Plane Types were Changed: N/A
Airfields:
  • Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942
  • Tusov: September 1942
  • Late November 1942: withdrawn from the front

As you can see, I. Gruppe and 8. Staffel were both at Tusov for most of the time they were at the front, so that jives with what Panzerbar posted. 

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Ok, we've a bit of conflicting data. I think we've to choose next compromise solution for the game

 

Stab./Sch.G 1 (AI unit) +  I./Sch.G 1 + 8./Sch.G 1 (AI unit)

 

August 23 (begin of campaign) - November 22 - Tuzov

November 23 - November 26 - Oblivskaya

November 26 - December 20 - Morozovskaya (West or South) so 1 and 3./Sch.G 1 supported "Winter storm" and 2./Sch.G 1 based at Millerorvo

December 20 - begin of January 1943 - Millerovo

 

We've no Millerovo on our map and I don't know that we can do. I don't want to use Tatsinskaya instead of this airfield...

Maybe we'll do it for another units but Bf 109 E-7 is plane from BOM and it doesn't matter in this case

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Pz.Jg.Kdo Weiss was a HeadQuarter unit, served as a Stab for all Hs129 equipped Staffeln during Battle of Kuban and Battle of Kursk. Later, was used to form Stab IV.(Pz)/SG9.

 

Versuchskommando fur Panzerbekampfung was a experiment unit, consisted of 3 Staffeln:

1.Staffel with Ju87G-1 - formed from St.G.1 crews in march 1943, in june became 10.(Pz.)/St.G.1

2.Staffel with Ju87G-1 - formed from St.G.1 crews in march 1943, in june became 10.(Pz.)/St.G.2

3.Staffel with Bf110G-2/R1 - formed from 5./ZG1 crews in march 1943, in june became Pz.Jg.Staffel./ZG1

 

V.Kdo f.P.B. operated in spring 1943 from Poltawa airfield.

Therer is an evidence of 1 and 3 Staffel of that Kommando at Poltawa in march '43. They could possibly move to Kuban area...

Ok, then it will be an AI unit V.Kdo f.P.B.

 

April 17 (begin of campaign) - June 10 - Kertsch - Ju 87 G-1 (Ju 87 D-3 + modification with 2x3.7cm BK)

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Ok, we've a bit of conflicting data. I think we've to choose next compromise solution for the game

 

Stab./Sch.G 1 (AI unit) +  I./Sch.G 1 + 8./Sch.G 1 (AI unit)

 

August 23 (begin of campaign) - November 22 - Tuzov

November 23 - November 26 - Oblivskaya

November 26 - December 20 - Morozovskaya (West or South) so 1 and 3./Sch.G 1 supported "Winter storm" and 2./Sch.G 1 based at Millerorvo

December 20 - begin of January 1943 - Millerovo

 

We've no Millerovo on our map and I don't know that we can do. I don't want to use Tatsinskaya instead of this airfield...

Maybe we'll do it for another units but Bf 109 E-7 is plane from BOM and it doesn't matter in this case

 

I would do it like this:

 

Stab/Sch.G.1

  • Tuzov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 2 October 1942
  • Morozovskaya: 26 November 1942 - until end of campaign.
  • Millerovo: December 1942
  • Voroshilovgrad: January 1943

I./Sch.G.1

  • Tusov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 30 November 1942 - until end of campaign
  • Millerovo: 20 December
  • Schachty, Voroshilovgrad: January 1943

8./Sch.G.1

  • Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942
  • Tusov: 2 September 1942 - 25 November 1942, then remove from map

That's the best compromise solution I can think of, given that Millerovo, Voroshilovgrad, etc., are not on the map. It keeps them grouped together at Tusov for a full month, until Stab./Sch.G 1 left for Oblivskaya in early October.

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Late November 1942: withdrawn from the front

 

 

 

8./Sch.G.1

Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942

Tusov: 2 September 1942 - 25 November 1942, then remove from map

 

 

3.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 7667 4O Front Fl.Pl. Tusow 44 Ost 39/3/8/1 Rußland Bei Landung ausgebrochen. Bruch 25 %. GQM: Bf 109E. Schlacht
5.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 3399 4O Rußland Pakkolasku. Bruch 30 %. Schlacht
9.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E 2662 4O Front 3072 Rußland Erdbeschuß. Bruch 25 %. Schlacht
22.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 5203 4O Front Rußland Von eigener Truppe zerstört. Bruch 100 %. GQM: Bf 109E. Schlacht
24.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 2677 E 4O Front Südausgang Tschir 3951 Rußland Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %. GQM: Bf 109E. Schlacht
24.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 3216 4O Front Fl.Pl. Karbowka Rußland Von eigener Truppe zerstört. Bruch 100 %. Schlacht
26.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Boden 999999 4O Feindeinwirkung Obliwskaja Rußland Infanteriebeschuß. Schlacht
7.12.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E 6135 L 4O Front Morosowskaja 1968 Rußland Absturz nach Start. Bruch 80 %. Schlacht
7.12.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 3810 O blaue 4O Front Kololowsky 2938 Rußland Erdbeschuß. Bruch 25 %. GQM: Bf 110E. Schlacht
11.12.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E 1211 4O Front 2949 Rußland Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. Schlacht
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25 and 26 November Oblivskaya was attacked by the 55th and 112th Soviet Cavalry Division, Luftwaffe were forced to leave this airfield.
Morozovskaya was occupied by Soviet troops on January 5
Tatsinskaya was occupied by Soviet troops on January 15

Millerovo - on January 17
We can't use these airfields after these dates

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25 and 26 November Oblivskaya was attacked by the 55th and 112th Soviet Cavalry Division, Luftwaffe were forced to leave this airfield.

Morozovskaya was occupied by Soviet troops on January 5

Tatsinskaya was occupied by Soviet troops on January 15

Millerovo - on January 17

We can't use these airfields after these dates

 

Hmm...so what does that leave available past mid-January?

  • Pitomnik was captured on 17 January
  • Karpovka fell on 13 January
  • Gumrak fell on 23 January
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Hmm...so what does that leave available past mid-January?

  • Pitomnik was captured on 17 January
  • Karpovka fell on 13 January
  • Gumrak fell on 23 January

Nothing...

I./JG 3 & II./JG3

03.01.43 - 05-06.01.43 - Tatsinskaya

05-06.01.43 - 20.01.43 - Schachty - outside our map

20.01.43 - 02.43 - Rowenkij - outside our map

 

III./JG3

03.01.43 - 08.01.43 - Tatsinskaya

08.01.43 - 25.01.43  - Schachty - outside our map

 

I don't know what we'll do for Luftwaffe in the last BOS chapter(((

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3.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 7667 4O Front Fl.Pl. Tusow 44 Ost 39/3/8/1 Rußland Bei Landung ausgebrochen. Bruch 25 %. GQM: Bf 109E. Schlacht
5.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 3399 4O Rußland Pakkolasku. Bruch 30 %. Schlacht
9.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E 2662 4O Front 3072 Rußland Erdbeschuß. Bruch 25 %. Schlacht
22.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 5203 4O Front Rußland Von eigener Truppe zerstört. Bruch 100 %. GQM: Bf 109E. Schlacht
24.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 2677 E 4O Front Südausgang Tschir 3951 Rußland Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %. GQM: Bf 109E. Schlacht
24.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 3216 4O Front Fl.Pl. Karbowka Rußland Von eigener Truppe zerstört. Bruch 100 %. Schlacht
26.11.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Boden 999999 4O Feindeinwirkung Obliwskaja Rußland Infanteriebeschuß. Schlacht
7.12.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E 6135 L 4O Front Morosowskaja 1968 Rußland Absturz nach Start. Bruch 80 %. Schlacht
7.12.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E-7 3810 O blaue 4O Front Kololowsky 2938 Rußland Erdbeschuß. Bruch 25 %. GQM: Bf 110E. Schlacht
11.12.1942 8./Schl.G 1 Bf 109 E 1211 4O Front 2949 Rußland Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. Schlacht

 

 

Very good stuff! :good:Would this be closer to what would work?

 

8./Sch.G.1

  • Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942
  • Tusov: 2 September 1942 
  • Karpovka: 24 November 1942 - 12 January 1943

I./Sch.G.1

  • Tusov: 23 August 1942
  • Karpovka: 24 November 1942 - 12 January 1943

Stab/Sch.G.1

  • Tuzov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 2 October 1942
  • Morozovskaya: 26 November 1942 - 4 January 1943
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Nothing...

 

I don't know what we'll do for Luftwaffe in the last BOS chapter(((

 

Hmm, in that case, I think it may be better to end the campaign on a date on or around 17 January at the latest, if it's planned to make Platzschutzstaffel Pitomnik and Stuka Sonderstaffel player-flyable units.

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Very good stuff! :good: Would this be closer to what would work?

 

8./Sch.G.1

  • Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942
  • Tusov: 2 September 1942 
  • Karpovka: 24 November 1942 - 12 January 1943

I./Sch.G.1

  • Tusov: 23 August 1942
  • Karpovka: 24 November 1942 - 12 January 1943

Stab/Sch.G.1

  • Tuzov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 2 October 1942
  • Morozovskaya: 26 November 1942 - 4 January 1943

No, I./ZG1_Panzerbar wrote in Russian article http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/195-schlachtgeschwader-1-shturmoviki-v-boyah-v-rajone-stalingrad/?do=findComment&comment=19257:

Obliwskaya has been left on Novemeber 26

Karpovka has been left on November 24

Hmm, in that case, I think it may be better to end the campaign on a date on or around 17 January at the latest, if it's planned to make Platzschutzstaffel Pitomnik and Stuka Sonderstaffel player-flyable units.

Platzschutzstaffel Pitomnik 19.11.42 - 22.12.42 Pitomnik - Is this wrong info?

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Platzschutzstaffel Pitomnik 19.11.42 - 22.12.42 Pitomnik - Is this wrong info?

 

Yes, I updated that info. It was a copy/paste error I made from when I was helping with PWCG. It should be 28 November 1942 - 17 January 1943. Same dates for Stuka Sonderstaffel. 

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No, I./ZG1_Panzerbar wrote in Russian article http://forum.il2stur...ad/?do=findComment&comment=19257:

Obliwskaya has been left on November 26

Karpovka has been left on November 24

 

Ah, ok. So then, maybe this...?

 

Stab/Sch.G.1 (no change)

  • Tuzov: 23 August 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 2 October 1942
  • Morozovskaya: 26 November 1942 - 4 January 1943

I./Sch.G.1

  • Tusov: 23 August 1942
  • Karpovka: 19/20 November
  • Oblivskaya: 23 November 1942 - 26 November 1942

8./Sch.G.1

  • Morozovskaya West: 23 August 1942
  • Tusov: 2 September 1942 
  • Karpovka: 19/20 November
  • Oblivskaya: 23 November 1942 - 26 November 1942

There's also 4./Sch.G 1:

 

Squad No. / Name: 4./Sch.G.1

Type of Planes Flown: Hs 129
Airfields:
  • Tatsinskaya: 23 August 1942 - 4 January 1943
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Obliwskaya has been left on November 26

Karpovka has been left on November 24

 

That also means changes for II./Sch.G 1:

 

  • Tusov: 23 August 1942
  • Millerovo: 19 November 1942
  • Frolov: 21 November 1942
  • Oblivskaya: 23 November 1942
  • Morozovskaya: 26 November 1942 - 21 December 1942. End of time on map.
  • Voroshilovgrad: 22 December 1942 - off map
  • 16 January 1943: pulled out of combat for rest and refit.

Since Millerovo is not on the map, it's probably best to just move this unit to Frolov on the 19th of November.

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Yes, I updated that info. It was a copy/paste error I made from when I was helping with PWCG. It should be 28 November 1942 - 17 January 1943. Same dates for Stuka Sonderstaffel. 

Thanks, we need this unit near Stalingrad.

 

Guys, also we need to do some "not science fiction". We've to provide the opportunity for the owners of collector planes to play the new campaigns (as they can do it now)..

We haven't any historical problems with Spifire (BOK), Hs 129 (BOS+ BOK), La-5 (BOS+BOK) and P-40 (BOM+BOS+BOK)

 

But I've to place Fw 190 A3 in Stalingrad battle and MC.202 in BOM (and BOS)...

Let's begin to work with Fw 190. I offer to use I./JG51 (18.10.42 - 6.1.43 - Wjasma) and copy history of III./JG 3:

 

I./JG51 (Fw 190 A-3)

18.10.42 - 22.11.42 - Pitomnik

22.11.42 - 28.11.42 - Oblivskaya (if Oblivskaya was attaked on November 26 and I./Sch.G 1 was forced to leave this airfield how III./JG 3 remained there till November 28th?)

28.11.42 - 23.12.42 - Morozovskaya West

23.12.42 - 03.01.43 - Morozovskaya South

03.01.43 - 06.01.43 - Tatsinskaya

 

What do you think? I hope we'll write in the history of I./JG51 they acted near Wjasma in this time.

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