Iron mechanic (Throttle) motor control (axes)

[GVL224]

In the throttle (throttle) "IMMERSER VR" the main difference is the presence of the fifth mechanics in three fixed positions.

And also the presence of 8 encoders, of which two pairs are coaxial.
https://youtu.be/X5K0yDL2oak

[rafito]

Excellent work Vitaly.

 

Very professional and HIGH quality.

 

Looking forward to engage in conversation with you.

 

Rafael

[LukeFF]

17 hours ago, GVL224 said:

In the throttle (throttle) "IMMERSER VR" the main difference is the presence of the fifth mechanics in three fixed positions.

And also the presence of 8 encoders, of which two pairs are coaxial.

 

That's a really nice design. I like the ability to set the right hand lever to a neutral position in the middle.

[GVL224]

1 час назад, LukeFF сказал:

 

That's a really nice design. I like the ability to set the right hand lever to a neutral position in the middle.

 

In this case, not a sensor and three microswitches are installed on the axis of this mechanics. And each of the three fixed stitches has its own "button".

[LLv44_Kanttori]

Hello Vitaly!

Are you manufacturing this red throttle limiter and can I assign it to the old throttles (it looks that I can)? I mean is it optional accessory to your current throttle mechanics?

And thank you for your GREAT USB-CONTROLLER PRODUCTS, all my throttle consoles are based on your vintage style mechanic levers, MagRez sensors and MJ16 circuit boards! <S>

Edited September 7, 2018 by LLv44_Kanttori

[GVL224]

3 часа назад, LLv44_Kanttori сказал:

Hello Vitaly!

Are you manufacturing this red throttle limiter and can I assign it to the old throttles (it looks that I can)? I mean is it optional accessory to your current throttle mechanics?

And thank you for your GREAT USB-CONTROLLER PRODUCTS, all my throttle consoles are based on your vintage style mechanic levers, MagRez sensors and MJ16 circuit boards! 

Ismo, hello.
Mechanics with such a limiter, I still did not, only the project.
Theoretically, it should be installed on my standard levers of "RUD" mechanics, one rivet is drilled and a bolt is replaced instead.
I'm glad that you like my parts for your big blocks (throttle).

[Sokol1]

8 hours ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Are you manufacturing this red throttle limiter

 

I'm astonished why virtual WWII pilot's haven not  see the usefulness of this limiter in their throttles.

 

In an "jet" - for what the limiter (detent) is popular, if inadvertently bypass the afterburner limit the penalty is fuel consumption.

In a WWII plane if inadvertently bypass the normal power limit the penalty is engine damage.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Sokol1

[E_Davjack]

I PM'd you, but you can't attach images in PM so I figure I would put this idea here and see what you and the community think of it as a friction limiter:

 

First image is just a desired modification to the Il2 throttle I want to show GVL224, the second is the idea for a very, very simple friction limiter.  A plastic plate that can be slid back and forth along throttle channel. Note:May need two screws on plate to hold it in place and prevent rotation.  The idea is that the relatively soft polycarbonate wouldnt scar or bend the throttle arm, it would just add surface friction.  One obvious problem is wear, but since the plates are cheap plastic, you could give 5 replacements with every purchase.  A metal plate would ruin the throttle arm. 

 

This is something I feel I might be able to do custom, but maybe GVL224 can come up with a better idea based on this one.  He is much smarter than I am, obviously. ? 

Edited September 14, 2018 by EmerlistDavjack
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[Sokol1]

I am confused with the "friction" meaning in your idea - since in GVL224 mechanics the friction of leveres is adjusted internally by two screws.

 

With this "friction limiter" you want create what is know as "detent" (or stop, gate) in other throttles, so for enter in, e.g. Bf 109 "emergency power" you need force the throttle slight to left to be able to advance?

 

In some Spitfire variants the throttle has a similar "steep" (fixed internally in throttle case) for inform the pilot the "boost" area of throttle course, why the throttle rail have this format:

 

https://deepblueskysite.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/supermearine-spitfire-throttle-quadrant-3-0012-2-1.jpg?w=700&h=

 

The two bolts in the plate labelled "take-off & climb" and "combat" adjust the internal "stop" position.

 

https://deepblueskysite.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/mg_5933_b.jpg?w=700&h=

 

This plate slide over this channeled holes - upper right in center green piece, for adjustment:

 

https://deepblueskysite.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/supermearine-spitfire-throttle-quadrant-3-0012-1-1.jpg?w=1000&h=

 

The piece who create the "stop" is visible there: 

 

https://deepblueskysite.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/mg_5948.jpg?w=1000&h=

 

But this require some flexibility of the lever, what in an desktop throttle may complicate - the pressure for left can tilt the throttle base. ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2018 by Sokol1

[GVL224]

1 час назад, EmerlistDavjack сказал:

I PM'd you, but you can't attach images in PM so I figure I would put this idea here and see what you and the community think of it as a friction limiter:

 

First image is just a desired modification to the Il2 throttle I want to show GVL224, the second is the idea for a very, very simple friction limiter.  A plastic plate that can be slid back and forth along throttle channel. Note:May need two screws on plate to hold it in place and prevent rotation.  The idea is that the relatively soft polycarbonate wouldnt scar or bend the throttle arm, it would just add surface friction.  One obvious problem is wear, but since the plates are cheap plastic, you could give 5 replacements with every purchase.  A metal plate would ruin the throttle arm. 

 

This is something I feel I might be able to do custom, but maybe GVL224 can come up with a better idea based on this one.  He is much smarter than I am, obviously. ? 

I understood by the hilt, yes, I can do it.
Intermediate emphasis, I plan to try to do with the help of these cotter pins with a ball.
Write to me on my e-mail gvl224@ukr.net

Yes, Sokol1 described everything correctly, on my mechanic "RUD" very rigid stock, it will not be bent.

[GVL224]

New

 

[rafito]

Hi Vitalij.

 

Excellent work and craftsmanship. Certainly a work of art.

 

Hope your customer enjoys it for years to come.

 

Rafael

[Solmyr]

Very impressive work GVL !!

 

Remembering the previous discussion, I was asking to myself : could you build a throttle lever which could include a 2nd course, this 2nd course being unlocked by a physical action ("push to continue") for extended  power and a button on this lever for emergency power ?

Edited September 27, 2018 by Solmyr

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, rafito said:

Hi Vitalij.

 

Excellent work and craftsmanship. Certainly a work of art.

 

Hope your customer enjoys it for years to come.

 

Yeah, I wanted to build a throttle unit based off the Fw 190 that would also include buttons used for bombers and oddball commands specific to planes like the 109. Not only that, it also uses the proper font found in Luftwaffe cockpits (DIN 1451 Mittelschrift). 

 

Add it all up, and I have enough buttons between this and my VKB Gunfighter stick to be able to map everything I need, with some room for expansion in the future. 

[GVL224]

3 часа назад, rafito сказал:

Hi Vitalij.

 

Excellent work and craftsmanship. Certainly a work of art.

 

Hope your customer enjoys it for years to come.

 

Rafael

Hello, thank you.
Soon your turn.

 

2 часа назад, Solmyr сказал:

Very impressive work GVL !!

 

Remembering the previous discussion, I was asking to myself : could you build a throttle lever which could include a 2nd course, this 2nd course being unlocked by a physical action ("push to continue") for extended  power and a button on this lever for emergency power ?

Thank you.
Ideas are but have not yet implemented.

[DD_Arthur]

Really enjoying my throttle unit Vitalij

 

 

[GVL224]

7 часов назад, DD_Arthur сказал:

Really enjoying my throttle unit Vitalij

 

 

Nice to hear.
 

[Remontti]

Vitalij made me a nice throttle that I've been using couple of months. It has 4 levers and the one on the right side is the main one with lot of buttons and rotary axis for thumb (excellent for zoom btw). A very nice throttle, thank you.?

 

There is one problem. In game when using twin engine aircraft the number one engine is on the left and number two is on the right. So my main right lever controls the left engine and the next lever controls the right engine.

I tried using main lever for engine 2 but it is bit awkward when in a single engine aircraft as you need to move two levers the same time.

 

Just a minor thing to keep in mind when considering what kind of throttle you want. 

[Sokol1]

This issue is not due throttle, neither game, but due how things work.

 

Game, as IRL numbers engines from left to right - looking plane for behind, and in your domestic game throttle you need the main lever at right.

 

So before swap between single and multi-engine planes, rest reassign throttle axes for match the option.

 

Of course game controls GUI could make things more more easy if allow save joystick profiles per plane (like CloD, DCS, RoF)  but...  "will add difficult for new players".

 

 

Edited October 6, 2018 by Sokol1

[LukeFF]

My Fw 190 throttle is here! Man, what a work of art this is:

 

[rafito]

Truly a work of art.

 

Mine is on the works as we speak.

 

GVL224 is keeping in touch with me via email almost everyday providing updates on my project.

 

Communication is excellent.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

10 hours ago, rafito said:

Truly a work of art.

 

Mine is on the works as we speak.

 

GVL224 is keeping in touch with me via email almost everyday providing updates on my project.

 

Communication is excellent.

Agree:

Communication can´t be better.

[GVL224]

"Bf109", a similar unit has already been manufactured,

 

 

[rafito]

It shows to prove that Vitalij is at the TOP of his game.

 

His constant communication with clients continues to be his strength at all times. 

 

If you want a  block from him, he is THE MAN for it.

Edited October 23, 2018 by rafito

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, rafito said:

It shows to prove that Vitalij is at the TOP of his game.

 

His constant communication with clients continues to be his strength at all times. 

 

If you want a  block from him, he is THE MAN for it.

 

Yes, I am absolutely thrilled with my new Fw 190 unit from him. Everything is laid out just how I want it, and it's nice to have everything labeled and not have to remember what a certain button or switch does. 

[Greeble]

Dang, now i want one.

[rafito]

This is the block that Vitalij is developing for my B737 simulator.

 

It's coming about really nice.

 

WAY TO GO VITALIJ.

 

Much appreciated.

[LukeFF]

41 minutes ago, rafito said:

This is the block that Vitalij is developing for my B737 simulator.

 

It's coming about really nice.

 

WAY TO GO VITALIJ.

 

Wow!!! That is really, really something.

[Remontti]

On ‎10‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 5:20 PM, Remontti said:

Vitalij made me a nice throttle that I've been using couple of months. It has 4 levers and the one on the right side is the main one with lot of buttons and rotary axis for thumb (excellent for zoom btw). A very nice throttle, thank you.?

 

There is one problem. In game when using twin engine aircraft the number one engine is on the left and number two is on the right. So my main right lever controls the left engine and the next lever controls the right engine.

I tried using main lever for engine 2 but it is bit awkward when in a single engine aircraft as you need to move two levers the same time.

 

Just a minor thing to keep in mind when considering what kind of throttle you want. 

Ok. I managed to solve this little problem with JoystickGremlin program. I use my VKB Gladiators throttle lever to choose Single engine / Multi engine mode. I can now have the GLV Main Throttle lever for engine 1 or engine 2 depending VKB Gladiators lever position. Nice.?

 

Well, then there is the Ju-52 with three engines. Didn't go there yet as I rarely fly this thing...

[rafito]

B737 Block is coming along.

[E_Davjack]

WOW!  And I thought I was asking for an involved build.  That is going to be quite the pit. 

[40plus]

Of wow! How did I miss this until now? How does one go about ordering one of those beautiful FW-190 throttles?

[gn728]

You contact GVL224 by e-mail - he responds quickly

[GVL224]

16 минут назад, pfrances сказал:

Of wow! How did I miss this until now? How does one go about ordering one of those beautiful FW-190 throttles?

Yes, write to me on my e-mail.

GVL224@UKR.NET

[E_Davjack]

Here is my humble commission.  Big thanks again to Vitalij, because it took me three weeks of emails to settle on this design.  It is the compact form factor of the "IL2 Sturmovik" commissioned by Jason, but changed to have more stuff and a better "work flow" to the control clusters.  Should work great with DCS as well...if I don't feel like re-memorizing the controls, I can make card-stock cut-outs with other labels (note the rear R1 R2 NAV radio encoders). 

[GVL224]

Made to order in 737 style.
https://youtu.be/LZEJ-y_4Irg

[rafito]

Absolutely wonderful project Vitalij.

 

It looks awesome.

 

I am sure that I can have fun now with my 737 simulator.

 

You have been incredible in providing excellent communications, your craftsmanship and responsibility with your customers.

 

I am very happy that we have finally got to work together on this project.

 

I am sure that we will be working on other projects in the very near future.

 

I hope that we can maintain communication, even if it is to say hi to each other.

 

Thank you so much for this opportunity to work with you and to make friendship.

 

[GVL224]

Rafael, hello.
I am very pleased that you so highly appreciated what I did for you.
I hope your hopes will justify.

I will be glad to continue cooperation with you.

[GVL224]

[drivertwopoint0]

Can you make a replica of the P-40 throttle? If so, whats the cost?