How much would you pay for a flyable Ju 52?

[Gambit21]

A random thought I just had but these guys should start an aircraft store like RoF. No reason why a little of the RoF model can't be incorporated here.

 

It might now make sense to devote resources to including it in the theaters that we already paid for, but dammit I'd be happy to purchase it.

Not to mention the float version...gimme!!!!

 

I'd hand them $35 for it in a heartbeat...in a few more heartbeats with some time to think I might even give them $40 for a float version.

Then I'd pay just as much for an FW 200 - especially if Med came around.

 

Then with the Pacific I'd pay $50 for a flyable Emily.

 

Point is...I don't think I'm the only one who would throw money at them for certain AC.

 

 

 

This whole "here's what you get, and if you pay a bit more you get these bonus AC" is fine, I have no problem with it - but an RoF style aircraft store would really help at some point.

 

Creating the flight models will still be a bottleneck...but that's an upside problem, a downside problem is not having a way to produce revenue.

Upside problems are a good thing.

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Umm...

 

Nope.

 

It's one of the reasons I stopped playing RoF, and it's why I won't buy DCS.

 

We are paying $80 a pop for what are really just DLCs, paying $35 for a single aircraft is just adding insult to injury.

[Gambit21]

I completely understand that point of view Blitz - we didn't pay for each map like this in the old sim...we received a lot more content for the money.

On the flip-side things have changed a bit, the PC market is small, the team is small, and a simulation like this won't sell as many units as the next Halo.

 

It's because of that, and also because I guess as a 3D modeler I understand some of what is faced when creating these aircraft, and that's not

even considering the flight models, LoD stuff I have no clue about that take so much time.

I'd rather pay them for it then stick with my original $80 and never get the rest of the AC that we need/want.

[Ace_Pilto]

About tree fiddy.

[FTC_Etherlight]

Wow...Are you sure you're not part of a developer institaged test balloon to see how the community would react to this proposal?

 

"Hey guys, how about we give the developer too much money for some aircraft in this low-fidelity Sim that we already paid? So they can have both payment models and earn double cash? I mean DCS can do it per module! It's not like they're high-fidelity and are much more complicated to even produce or something! Wouldn't that be cool!?" xD If you're actually serious you should cover your butt, mate. Somebody will try to steal your DNA to clone an army of perfect consumers.

[Gambit21]

Wow...Are you sure you're not part of a developer institaged test balloon to see how the community would react to this proposal?

 

 

Well...I don't have to wonder who will make the most asinine, unproductive and useless post now...

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Well...I don't have to wonder who will make the most asinine, unproductive and useless post now...

Somebody managed to top Raid!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

While I don't mind spending extra money on a seperate aircraft (just like the current premium ones) 30$ is really a bit too much for me if it has just the same basic functions as the other aircrafts ingame.

 

If it is to be added with more gameplay feautures however, means more types of missions and objectives in SP and MP (Medvac, Transport, Paradrop, Staff ferry, ect) and other nice feautures a higher than standard price is fine to me.

 

Don't have any issues with a modular marketing concept as it would allow specilties such as the Ju-52 with less mass appeal to become flyables ingame.

[Y-29.Silky]

How much have we paid already for both these games that aren't even complete yet? It's hard enough for me to convince most of my friends to even purchase the game and the ones who did, complained about the grind they had to make because they didn't want to spend a ridiculous $80 for 2 more aircraft. I mean come on, the devs added tanks as a free extra while they could have wasted their free time making new aircraft or the Ju-52 flyable for that matter.

[BraveSirRobin]

 the devs added tanks as a free extra while they could have wasted their free time making new aircraft or the Ju-52 flyable for that matter.

 

The people that made the tanks have nothing to do with making aircraft.  Most likely they had free time because they were waiting for the people who make the aircraft.

[FTC_Etherlight]

Let's get real here for a minute...Many here already paid 160$ or your regional equivalent for this. Why? Because most people didn't want to bother unlocking the modules by grinding the (until lately) god awful campaign, which pretty much seemed like a cute way to milk some bucks out of the community, because only a fraction would have gone for all premium planes otherwise. Fine, I paid that, I like the game to a degree and have a very low tolerance level for bad gameplay, which is why I wanted to avoid the "Campaign" at all costs. But let's look at this proposal for more than "Me likey Ju-52". What's next? 109-G6? Yak-9? Hey, you can have this plane, just need to buy it, because most servers have everything unlocked until now. Would you put that beyond a developer who got this much money out of an almost finished game? How much money would we need to pay to have all the valuable planes, on top of the aforementioned 160$? Another 100? 200? 300? On top of the other expansions that might come? The can of worms you would open with this is just huge. Not even mentioning the fact that mixing full price, premium+DLC planes with another modular shop on top would be pure audacity. I know you probably just thought of "Hey, maybe we can have some cute, but borderline useless planes to have fun with this way.", but it never ends there. Never. Developers far more...mh...consumer oriented than this one have gone down that hill.

 

To ask for this either anti-consumer, shortsighted or fanboyism in my opinion which is why I made fun of it. I know I wasn't nice, you can take offense at that if you so wish. Anyway, don't worry, I'm done with this topic.

Edited June 17, 2016 by JG4_Etherlight

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

A little self contradicting don't you think?

 

If you don't like to pay 80 bucks every year or two to get some aircrafts you like and a bunch of those you dont the best option availabel is selling individual aircraft seperately.

 

Furthermore the devs already confirmed they will stay with their 8 planes + map marketing so even if the Ju52 (or any other special aircraft for that matter) would become an individually sold addon they'd be exceptions.

 

Otherwise it's difficult to imagine a flyable Tante at all since everything the majority of the comunity cares for is more Yaks, more 109s, more derp.

Edited June 17, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[coconut]

I don't understand the "half-finished" accusations. It's clear what the game contains, if you don't think the content is worth the money, don't buy it. We actually got more than we paid for: ju52, velikie-luki map, tanks, unlocks with premium (those were not in from start), and all engine upgrade during BOM development available in BOS.

 

As for the finer-grained price policy and paying per plane, I'd say why not. It all depends on the price. There are many German tech fans who would probably like that. As long as the current pricing option remains available.

[Feathered_IV]

I'm fine with the option paying for other content that is over and above the Standard and Premium releases. I despaired back in the day, seeing Oleg Maddox squander his company's future on a fleet of free content, when years would go by with me thinking, for gods sake man, just sell me something!

 

That being said, paying $35 for a fly able Ju-52 would be something I would do in a heartbeat.

[Ace_Pilto]

So you think $150 plus is reasonable for one game?

 

Wow.

 

I'd expect a season pass, t-shirt, posters and a crappy made in China statue of Stalin himself flying the glorious Yak for $150. (Not to mention a dynamic campaign...) $35 for a transport plane???? 

 

If PMDG did a Ju-52 for P3D you might be justified in heaving such an absurd sum at it since it would be study depth.

 

This whole topic is a joke.

[CheeseGromit]

For a Ju 52 - $0. Not my thing.

 

As a general question regarding purchasing individual aircraft, hard to say. I paid NZ$24 for the Fw-190 and in retrospect I think that was too much. I like the idea of packs but they quickly lose their appeal when they contain limited content of interest, it's why I don't have BoM, I only want the Bf 110 and perhaps to a lesser extent the Ju 88 and Bf 109 E. I'm not sure I'd pay more than NZ$10-15 for an aircraft and that's less than what I've read that "the market could bear". At this point I think I'm priced out of this game outside of sales.

[Feathered_IV]

So you think $150 plus is reasonable for one game?

 

Wow.

 

For two games is okay - BoS + BoM

[xvii-Dietrich]

If the developers have stated that the "map + 8 (+ 2  premium)" model is in place, then this question is completely academic.

 

 

Regarding money spent, it depends on what you think something is worth. If you want to fly every aircraft and you don't fly so often, then €40 per plane is very expensive per hour of flying. If, on the other hand, you only fly one type, and fly a lot, then €30 is trivial.

 

I am the "single-type" player. I bought BoM pre-order (and therefore BoS) in order to specifically fly the Ju 88 A-4. Very costly for just one plane, seeing I don't fly any of the other aircraft. However, for me that is still worth it. I did the same in CloD for the Ju 88 A-1 and RoF for the W.12. These latter two games were cheap when I bought them, so those purchases were trivial compared to the amount of time and enjoyment I've had from those two aircraft.

 

Now, if a float-plane version of the Ju 52 were available, I'd happily spend €100 without question, as I know I would get 1000s hours of flying (and sailing!) out of it.

 

But if only the normal Ju 52 were available, I wouldn't spend a single euro.

 

 

EDIT : 29-Oct-2017 :  I had to eat my words on that last line. I bought the standard Ju 52 for €15.  Worth it? Not sure yet...  But I am still holding out for the float plane version .

 

EDIT : 27-Nov-2017 : Yep... definitely worth it. If you have any BoX variant already, I can recommend adding the Ju 52 to it. And, yes, I am still holding out for the float plane version .

Edited November 27, 2017 by xvii-Dietrich

[Dutchvdm]

About 15 dollars. 

 

Grt M

[pilotpierre]

I'm fine with the option paying for other content that is over and above the Standard and Premium releases. I despaired back in the day, seeing Oleg Maddox squander his company's future on a fleet of free content, when years would go by with me thinking, for gods sake man, just sell me something!

 

That being said, paying $35 for a fly able Ju-52 would be something I would do in a heartbeat.

Agree with everything you have said Feathered, but I doubt if we will ever get the 52.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

If paratroopers or some kind of supply system were brought into the game slong with it then Id spend a lot of money. To be honest without some kind of supply system or paratroopers it would be kinda useless.

 

Would still buy it for whatever they sell it for cuz its an awesome plane

 

Also if we get Kuban and Ju-52 with floats as unlock, now that would be awesome!!!

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

So much drama - how dare they charge $80 for ten aircraft, a campaign and maps! The horror, the horror! Back in 1902 it would have cost $1, what a rip-off!

 

...on a more serious note, if they were to introduce aircraft in that note (which is a measure supported by most, see the polls by Panzerbar here and in the Russian forums), I would assume the price model for premium/extra aircraft is fine. $20 and you get it, sounds fair. I am ready to put $20 on the P-40E once it's available. Compared to other games their pricing system is pretty normal, and those who don't like it can just get the standard version for $50 which in most parts of the world is what you pay for a dinner or two for two people.

[Dakpilot]

How much have we paid already for both these games that aren't even complete yet? It's hard enough for me to convince most of my friends to even purchase the game and the ones who did, complained about the grind they had to make because they didn't want to spend a ridiculous $80 for 2 more aircraft. I mean come on, the devs added tanks as a free extra while they could have wasted their free time making new aircraft or the Ju-52 flyable for that matter.

 

Where does it cost $80 for two planes? It would seem $80 is the price for the full 10 plane version?..there have been many sales if cost is such an issue, it would also seem likely to have sales for BoM going forward as well, if one is careful you should get all 20 aircraft for $80 

 

Tanks were made as tech demo before BoS was released as early access..this is not a relevant argument

 

I understand in many parts of the world it could be considered expensive but at least get your figures correct 

 

As for being 'incomplete' have a read through the DD's and patch notes since release and consider the updates that have been implemented

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/

 

As for JU-52, it is a bit of a unique situation as already being "half" in the game $20 would seem reasonable for FM and cockpit and additional lod etc. but I guess people would only complain it was not included for free and declare "cash grab!!" no win situation except those who will enjoy and get use from it

 

I imagine it could be a decent experiment to see how many would be prepared to buy a single unusual "combat" aircraft and if worth doing it again regarding ROI

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Feathered_IV]

If paratroopers or some kind of supply system were brought into the game slong with it then Id spend a lot of money. To be honest without some kind of supply system or paratroopers it would be kinda useless.

 

Would still buy it for whatever they sell it for cuz its an awesome plane

 

Also if we get Kuban and Ju-52 with floats as unlock, now that would be awesome!!!

 

Yep, sorry.  It goes without saying that I would expect the game mechanics to support the supply and evac missions too for my $50 Au buckarroons

[Aap]

If the developers have stated that the "map + 8 (+ 2  premium)" model is in place, then this question is completely academic.

 

If the developers have stated that, I think the 2 extra planes could be these kind of special planes instead of additional fighters or we would be running out of new fighters types quite fast. Then these special planes could also be bought separately, just like current premium planes can be bought separately. 

Edited June 17, 2016 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Brano]

I would write-off one drinking session with my alcoholic group and dedicate 20-30€ for the just cause 

[216th_Jordan]

As far as pricing theory goes, the amount of work going into it has a decisive effect on the price by the amount of sold items. This seems to be a thing, for whatever reason, that some don't want to understand. sure I can draw you 100 planes on paper and throw them papers around and call it a simulator and charge 10 bucks.

 

Back on topic:

I'd probably pay 10 euros for it to support the team.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I can draw you 100 planes on paper and throw them papers around and call it a simulator and charge 10 bucks.

 

Done.

 

[Jade_Monkey]

I don't understand the "half-finished" accusations. It's clear what the game contains, if you don't think the content is worth the money, don't buy it. We actually got more than we paid for: ju52, velikie-luki map, tanks, unlocks with premium (those were not in from start), and all engine upgrade during BOM development available in BOS.

 

Completely agree. ^^

 

I'd pay between $9.99 and $14.99

 

I think the devs ditched the individual plane sales for a reason. I'm just taking a guess here, but some plane sales were probably a hit while some others didn't even get close to covering development costs. The bundles probably ensure that they get a reasonable return and spread the risk a bit. Of course they are missing on some individual plane sales but it's probably worth it overall.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Jade_Monkey

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I would write-off one drinking session with my alcoholic group and dedicate 20-30€ for the just cause 

[novicebutdeadly]

I wouldn't mind paying for planes and map packs... within reason (aircraft $10-$15 each, maps... no idea tbh).

When you look just at the BF109 on what we don't have yet (let alone any aircraft that we don't even have yet like the Spitfire, Zero etc): 
 

BF109 E7/ NZ (DB601N engine + nitrous oxide boost (high altitude) Not sure how many were made (doesn't give break down of numbers for this variant)

BF109 F4/Z (F4 with GM-1 nitrous oxide boost for use at altitude) apparently 544 were made

BF104 G4 (I believe this will be same as the G2 but without the engine limit of 1.3ata) apparently 1246 were made

BF109 G6 (including the AS variant) apparently total of all variants 12,000 were made

BF109 G10 apparently 2600 were made

BF109 G14 (including both the AS and ASy variants) apparently 5500+ were made

BF109 K4 (with the different engines: DM, DB, and the DC)

 

it would make sense if the devs opened the map making to third parties, and concentrated on the aircraft (and targets), so that they can get released sooner.

I know that some people may argue that that mentality is like WT etc, but at the end of the day the market today is small (and getting smaller each day) so you need to introduce things that will keep people interested and also hopefully draw in players from other games.

I personally play online (though due to ping and lack of players I rarely get a chance to do this), because the campaign doesn't do it for me, for all the reasons that have been discussed at length in other forums but also because at the end of the day the story will always end the same way, the Germans will win campaign X and the Russians will always win Campaign Y.

Me personally I enjoy "flying" the aircraft and seeing how I "would have measured up"


just my 2 cents... oh wait we don't have 2 cents in Australia so 5 cents worth.

Edited June 17, 2016 by novicebutdeadly

[Geleitzug]

I would write-off one drinking session with my alcoholic group and dedicate 20-30€ for the just cause 

 

Hhm - better go back and reconsider whether that would be really worth it... 

[EAF19_Marsh]

About £15, to be honest, but it would not be my first choice of new aircraft (prefer I-153, HS-123 or similar).

 

Suspect the Ju-52 would be rather hanger-bound on my machine.

[Geleitzug]

Actually I wouldn't have much problems with the idea to pay for individual planes as add-ons - I mean we did that with RoF exactly this way, and in the end it gave us the possibility to buy only those planes we're really interesting in to have and not buy a bunch of them were only a couple of them are used frequently!

 

Of course, a Ju-52 would only make sense in combination with certain operations like supply missions, paratroop drop etc. but I guess this could be implemented in the current game relatively easy...

[Brano]

OK,you got me. No alcoholic session write-off but I have empty beer bottles worth two tante ju in my garage:D

[Geleitzug]

OK,you got me. No alcoholic session write-off but I have empty beer bottles worth two tante ju in my garage:D

 

Well, sounds like a good investment...

[wtornado]

I don't understand the "half-finished" accusations. It's clear what the game contains, if you don't think the content is worth the money, don't buy it. We actually got more than we paid for: ju52, velikie-luki map, tanks, unlocks with premium (those were not in from start), and all engine upgrade during BOM development available in BOS.

 

As for the finer-grained price policy and paying per plane, I'd say why not. It all depends on the price. There are many German tech fans who would probably like that. As long as the current pricing option remains available.

Well let us say the game is finished and stress for more game options and content then.

 

For two games is okay - BoS + BoM

With more game play options and ME,MP content.

 

If paratroopers or some kind of supply system were brought into the game slong with it then Id spend a lot of money. To be honest without some kind of supply system or paratroopers it would be kinda useless.

 

Would still buy it for whatever they sell it for cuz its an awesome plane

 

Also if we get Kuban and Ju-52 with floats as unlock, now that would be awesome!!!

I think I would like the buy the plane that you want concept I would like and buy the Bf-110 E-2 and the PE-2 series 35 and the JU-88.

 

Maybe think about the  MC.202 Series VIII and MiG 3

 

I don't want of need the I-16 or care about the P-40.

 

I like the ROF concept in that regard.

[Trooper117]

We are all different...

 

There are some people who struggle to find cash to buy basic games.

There are some people who have more money than sense and don't even think about others who struggle.

There are some people who are not interested.

There are some people who would sell their grandmothers to get the stuff they want.

 

One thing is always the same though, everyone thinks their way is right, lol! 

[KoN_]

Umm...

 

Nope.

 

It's one of the reasons I stopped playing RoF, and it's why I won't buy DCS.

 

We are paying $80 a pop for what are really just DLCs, paying $35 for a single aircraft is just adding insult to injury.

Totally agree .

The current premium planes i wouldn't pay for . 

And $30 for a single not a chance .

Hell ` i am still pis*ed over the 190 ............lol

Edited June 17, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

We are all different...

 

There are some people who struggle to find cash to buy basic games.

There are some people who have more money than sense and don't even think about others who struggle.

There are some people who are not interested.

There are some people who would sell their grandmothers to get the stuff they want.

 

One thing is always the same though, everyone thinks their way is right, lol! 

 

In that respect what they did in some European countries is a pretty good model - there is the super basic version where you start off with only the LaGG-3 and Bf-109F-4 and have to play through to get the other standard aircraft and ordinance, which goes for about 24 USD in Sweden, then the standard version for 49 USD with the standard aircraft but play-to-access modifications, and finally the premium version for 79 USD with two extra aircraft and optional instant access to specific modifications.

Edited June 17, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell