Medals and promotions in PWCG

[YoYo]

Hi,

 

I'd like to know is it possible to recive medals and promotions on ground attack aircraft/bombers in PWCG too?

I'ma after the 11th missions (on Stukas as Feldwebel, destroyed 20 ground targeds and nobody didn't notice me , no any cross?

 

btw. please move this topic here http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/99-pwcg-bos/ (wrong corner)

Edited April 10, 2016 by YoYo

[Willy__]

 

 

I'd like to know is it possible to recive medals and promotions on ground attack aircraft/bombers in PWCG too?

 

I dont know about medals, but to receive promotions you must have a minimum number of missions. Maybe Pat can enlighten us in this matter ?

[Comes]

Would like to know that too. I have quite a few kills in my PE-2 and nothing happend. Maybe I just need a little more patience.

[PatrickAWlson]

For German bomber pilots:

IC2: 15 missions flown

IC1: 50 missions flown or 20 ground units destroyed and 15 missions flown

KC: 100 missoins flown and 60 ground units destroyed 

KC Oak Leaves: 100 missoins flown and 120 ground units destroyed

KC Swords: 100 missoins flown and 200 ground units destroyed

KC Diamonds: 100 missoins flown and 400 ground units destroyed

For Russian bomber pilots:

Order of the Red Star: 15 missions flown

Order of Glory: 50 missions flown

Order of the Patriotic War 2nd class: 50 missions flown and 20 ground units destroyed 

Order of the Red Banner: 75 missions flown and 40 ground units destroyed 

Order of the Patriotic War 1st class: 75 missions flown and 60 ground units destroyed 

Hero of the Soviet Union: 100 missions flown and 100 ground units destroyed 

 

Edited April 13, 2016 by PatrickAWlson

[Yogiflight]

Patrick, what about airkills, necessary for the medals?

[PatrickAWlson]

Patrick, what about airkills, necessary for the medals?

 

No air kills necessary for bombers.  Different criteria for fighters - it's all about air victories.

 

For German fighterspilots

IC2: 2 Victories

IC1: 10 Victories

KC: 40 Victories

KC 100 Victories

KC 150 Victories

KC 200 Victories

 

For Russian fighters pilots:

Order of the Red Star: 2 Victories

Order of Glory: 5 Victories

Order of the Patriotic War 2nd class: 6 Victories

Order of the Red Banner: 15 Victories

Order of the Patriotic War 1st class: 20 Victories

Hero of the Soviet Union: 40 Victories

Edited April 13, 2016 by PatrickAWlson

[Yogiflight]

Thanks Patrick, good to know.

[YoYo]

For German bomber pilots:

 

IC2: 15 missions flown

IC1: 20 ground units destroyed and 15 missions flown

 

Patrick, Im not sure. Is it work or not but for StG (attack aircraft) Im after the 16th mission:

 

 

I destroyed 20 ground targets plus the one enemy plane.

 

 

but no any cross and promotion:

 

[PatrickAWlson]

@YoYo - I'll look into it.  

[Brano]

Hi Patrick,

Maybe same issue with my campaign. I managed to shot down 3 Italians in my first sortie in ishak ( don't ask me how,don't know myself ) Krasnaya Zvezda should be allready on my uniform. But it's not. Maybe a bureaucracy issue :D

[Willy__]

Strange... mine is working fine. Cant remember if I received the medals immediatelly after getting the kills though... its possible it took a little while for them to come, but I received all of the medals...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

It takes at least one more mission - i.e. if you meet the criteria after mission #10 the medal is awarded after mission #11.

[Brano]

It takes at least one more mission - i.e. if you meet the criteria after mission #10 the medal is awarded after mission #11.

 

Aha,that makes sense   OK,I will try one more mission this evening to confirm.I will report back.

 

Small remark to VVS rewards :

- Golden Star of HoSU threshold should be lower then 40kills = 20kills for first,40+ for second and third for 60 

to be included:

- Order of Lenin,which was automaticly given to recipient of Golden Star of HoSU

- Order of Alexander Nevsky should be included

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Alexander_Nevsky

- Medal for Courage should be included (Za otvagu)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_%22For_Courage%22_(Russia)

 

For future scenarios like Kuban/Kursk - with rank of regiment cmdr,there should be also "leadership" orders available = Order of Kutuzov 3rd class,Order of Suvorov 3rd class. Those orders has been established roughly around end of Stalingrad operation.

[[NOSIG]_Salsam]

So medals seems pretty straight forward, but what about the criterias for fighter/bomber promotions?

[PatrickAWlson]

Missions flown:

    public static int PilotRankMedMinMissions = 15;       // Number of missions to advance pilot Rank from low to medium
    public static int PilotRankHighMinMissions = 30;      // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from medium to high
    public static int PilotRankExecMinMissions = 60;      // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from medium to exec
    public static int PilotRankCommandMinMissions = 80;   // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from exec to command
 

Some nations have five ranks and others have 4.  For those with only 4 ranks you start one level higher.

Luftwaffe:

Unteroffizier = low

Leutnant = Medium

Oberleutnant = High

Hauptmann = Exec

Major = Command

[[NOSIG]_Salsam]

Thanks for helping clarify!

To continue the questions...

What are the criterias for the badges and goblets?

 

(The reasons for all my questions us that we are currently a squad of 12 players flying a BoM campaign with PWCG - and it's awesome- and out of 14+ missions online, I've only gotten AAR to work with 2 or 3 of the missions. Keep getting Error when running "Combat Report" - so now I'm keeping tabs on my own, on the side, to keep track of kills, medals and promotions)

Still rather use PWCG than creating my own missions ?

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, [NOSIG]Salsam said:

Thanks for helping clarify!

To continue the questions...

What are the criterias for the badges and goblets?

 

(The reasons for all my questions us that we are currently a squad of 12 players flying a BoM campaign with PWCG - and it's awesome- and out of 14+ missions online, I've only gotten AAR to work with 2 or 3 of the missions. Keep getting Error when running "Combat Report" - so now I'm keeping tabs on my own, on the side, to keep track of kills, medals and promotions)

Still rather use PWCG than creating my own missions ?

 

If you are getting an error in the AAR (combat report) process press Report Error and post the resulting zip file.  

[[NOSIG]_Salsam]

On 4/15/2020 at 2:06 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

 

If you are getting an error in the AAR (combat report) process press Report Error and post the resulting zip file.  

 

Keep getting "Error" when using the "Report Error" function ?

 

Here is the error report from our latest mission if that helps;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/127Yep_WZlCx94iB0ENpVGj4z4i__Agc2/view?usp=sharing

[Robi89]

On 3/9/2020 at 1:47 AM, PatrickAWlson said:

Missions flown:

    public static int PilotRankMedMinMissions = 15;       // Number of missions to advance pilot Rank from low to medium
    public static int PilotRankHighMinMissions = 30;      // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from medium to high
    public static int PilotRankExecMinMissions = 60;      // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from medium to exec
    public static int PilotRankCommandMinMissions = 80;   // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from exec to command
 

Some nations have five ranks and others have 4.  For those with only 4 ranks you start one level higher.

Luftwaffe:

Unteroffizier = low

Leutnant = Medium

Oberleutnant = High

Hauptmann = Exec

Major = Command

 

Are those numbers still correct?

In my career with 184 Squadron RAF, there currently are 3 Pilot Officers, myself included, with 30+ missions each (35, 40 and 41 to be specific) and a Warrant Officer with 17 missions flown. And so far, no promotions have happened...

[PatrickAWlson]

No.  Different criteria for different services now.

[Robi89]

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying!

[Ace_Pilto]

Flying co-op, I scored 25 kills or so, was awarded the MoH and never made it to 1st Lt. Do promotions ever actually occur or do you just keep the rank you start with? Asking because I've never been promoted in PWCG so the criteria are either far too high or I have it set up wrong.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Ace_Pilto

[PatrickAWlson]

15 hours ago, Ace_Pilto said:

Flying co-op, I scored 25 kills or so, was awarded the MoH and never made it to 1st Lt. Do promotions ever actually occur or do you just keep the rank you start with? Asking because I've never been promoted in PWCG so the criteria are either far too high or I have it set up wrong.

 

Promotions do occur but are based on victories and missions flown.  MoH means US?  You need to fly 40 missions to get  from 2nd to 1st lieutenant. 

 

If you have flown more than 40 missions and believe that the promotion should have happened, press report error and post the zip.  I can look into why the promotion is not being triggered.

 

If you have not flown more than 40 missions, why do you believe that requiring 40 missions is too high to move from 2nd to 1st Lt.?  Happy to change the criteria if you have better information.   

 

While missions flown was not exactly a criteria, time in service was.  PWCG uses missions flown to mark passage of time as well as combat experience.  George Preddy was a Major at the time of his death in December 1944.  He had 26 victories at that time.  He had also been a pilot in the USAAF for three years, starting in December 1941.  

 

If you are starting as a 2nd Lt. in September of 1944 you are not going to get promotes all that much.  You might make Captain by wars end (needs 80 missions).  

 

When Normandy comes out, longer US careers will be a thing.  You will be able to fly 1943 to 1945.  Until then, if you want to be a higher rank in the current campaign you are going to have to start higher up

Edited November 30, 2021 by PatrickAWlson

[Ace_Pilto]

Wow, ok. 40 missions is a lot.

 

I was wondering if it was "succesful" missions or maybe I had set something up wrong or even that promotions only happened when there was a vacancy. So, in Flying Circus I would really struggle to get to Captain before Nov 1918.

 

A fast promotion option might be a good idea if that is possible, since it's an uphill battle for the average player to last 40-80 missions, but at least I understand the criteria better so thanks for the explanation.

[PatrickAWlson]

8 minutes ago, Ace_Pilto said:

Wow, ok. 40 missions is a lot.

 

I was wondering if it was "succesful" missions or maybe I had set something up wrong or even that promotions only happened when there was a vacancy. So, in Flying Circus I would really struggle to get to Captain before Nov 1918.

 

A fast promotion option might be a good idea if that is possible, since it's an uphill battle for the average player to last 40-80 missions, but at least I understand the criteria better so thanks for the explanation.

 

Just missions flown.  PWCG has never had any concept of a "successful" mission, just a successful career, where success is defined as doing your job and -most important - surviving.  

 

PWCG does have the ability to select rank on campaign start.  PWCG also has an advanced configuration that awards multiple missions flown for every actual mission.  The idea behind this is to simulate no contact missions in between the PWCG missions, which will result in contact much more frequently than real life.  That will up the mission count quickly and accomplish what you want.

 

Campaign->Configuration->Advanced Configuration->Campaign Preferences

Set "Number of Mission Credited" to however many missions you want per actual mission flown.  Flying eastern front I tend to use 3.

Edited November 30, 2021 by PatrickAWlson

[Varibraun]

1 minute ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Just missions flown. 

 

Hi Pat - Just confirming includes the "virtual" missions in the total count from adjusting "Number of Missions Credited" in the Campaign Settings? 

 

I think it does because I usually keep that setting at "3" (to reflect a more historical ratio of no contact flights), and I think my promotions are coming faster than what @Ace_Pilto is currently seeing.

[Ace_Pilto]

Ok, so there's an actual, practical reason to use that setting beyond immersion. Perfect, thanks for the explanation!

[PatrickAWlson]

17 minutes ago, Varibraun said:

 

Hi Pat - Just confirming includes the "virtual" missions in the total count from adjusting "Number of Missions Credited" in the Campaign Settings? 

 

I think it does because I usually keep that setting at "3" (to reflect a more historical ratio of no contact flights), and I think my promotions are coming faster than what @Ace_Pilto is currently seeing.

 

it definitely does.  PWCG has one parameter for missions flown.  Extra missions are added to that.  Once added in PWCG has no idea, nor does it care,  how many missions were really flown in the game and how many were fudged in. They will definitely count towards promotion.

 

To me the fudge factor is more realistic than not.  With real pilots flying as many as 5 a day and PWCG limiting you to 1, I didn't want most players having more victories than missions flown.  Even Hartmann only got one victory in every 4 or so missions.  I want PWCG missions to be about the interesting parts where you get to blow something up and not every mundane instance of carving holes in the air. 

 

The only reason PWCG defaults to 1:1 is because of complaints and people thinking that getting credited for 3 missions was a bug.  

 

Thinking about a tactical pilot in the USAAF, I think 2 is the value that I would use.

Edited November 30, 2021 by PatrickAWlson

[Ace_Pilto]

3 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I didn't want most players having more victories than missions flown. 

 

Heh, I use this as my metric of personal success. 

[grcurmudgeon]

If I set this to 3, do I still fly every day or every other day, or does this space out the missions more? In other words, will it get me to the end of the war faster, or is it just added to the mission count strictly?

 

I also think there is a vague bug that I have not worried too much about but should probably mention - PWCG is "off" around transitions. The two specific examples I've seen are:

1. I'm pretty certain that promotion happens after the NEXT mission. For example, if I'm supposed to get promoted after 20, it seems to happen after mission 21. I can't pin this one down, though, as I haven't lived long enough to get promoted all that often... I could also pretend (or is it intentional?) that this is just when the promotion notification finally catches up to you.
2. The front lines / campaign map advance early. In the AAR, you see the map as it would be for your next mission, not the previous one. So when you fly your last mission on Stalingrad, the AAR shows Kuban, and none of the dots showing events show up, etc.

 

[PatrickAWlson]

13 minutes ago, grcurmudgeon said:

If I set this to 3, do I still fly every day or every other day, or does this space out the missions more? In other words, will it get me to the end of the war faster, or is it just added to the mission count strictly?

 

I also think there is a vague bug that I have not worried too much about but should probably mention - PWCG is "off" around transitions. The two specific examples I've seen are:

1. I'm pretty certain that promotion happens after the NEXT mission. For example, if I'm supposed to get promoted after 20, it seems to happen after mission 21. I can't pin this one down, though, as I haven't lived long enough to get promoted all that often... I could also pretend (or is it intentional?) that this is just when the promotion notification finally catches up to you.
2. The front lines / campaign map advance early. In the AAR, you see the map as it would be for your next mission, not the previous one. So when you fly your last mission on Stalingrad, the AAR shows Kuban, and none of the dots showing events show up, etc.

 

 

The only impact is the number of missions counted towards your missions flown total when you file a combat report.  It has no impact on mission spacing in PWCG.

The delay in medals and promotions was an accident years ago that I left in place because it feels more realistic.  

Acknowledge the bug on the map when going through a front lines change.  PWCG uses the lines for the date after the mission and not the date of the mission.

 

[Corralandy120000]

On 3/9/2020 at 1:47 AM, PatrickAWlson said:

Missions flown:

    public static int PilotRankMedMinMissions = 15;       // Number of missions to advance pilot Rank from low to medium
    public static int PilotRankHighMinMissions = 30;      // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from medium to high
    public static int PilotRankExecMinMissions = 60;      // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from medium to exec
    public static int PilotRankCommandMinMissions = 80;   // Number of victories to advance pilot Rank from exec to command
 

Some nations have five ranks and others have 4.  For those with only 4 ranks you start one level higher.

Luftwaffe:

Unteroffizier = low

Leutnant = Medium

Oberleutnant = High

Hauptmann = Exec

Major = Command

Where can I find this configs please? I'd like to rise them a bit to be more accurate. The rise through the ranks, especcially in Luftwaffe career, seems to be too fast. Some LW pilots didn't get higher rank than Oberleutnant and they did complete hundreads of missions and have 200+ kills (Walther Schuck for exmaple but there are many of them of course).

[Hotaru_Ito]

56 minutes ago, Corralandy120000 said:

Where can I find this configs please? I'd like to rise them a bit to be more accurate. The rise through the ranks, especcially in Luftwaffe career, seems to be too fast. Some LW pilots didn't get higher rank than Oberleutnant and they did complete hundreads of missions and have 200+ kills (Walther Schuck for exmaple but there are many of them of course).

 

Unfortunately those aren't in the configs, they're in the actual code, so we can't edit them. I agree promotions are a little fast, but presumably they're balanced around the assumption that you're using a 1:1 missions credited to missions flown ratio and taking lots of leave. 185 to go from Oberfeldwebel to Major is reasonable if you only average, say, 4 per month--you'd be a Leutnant in 3 months, Oberleutnant in a year, Hauptmann in 2 years, and Major in 4 years. That's assuming victories aren't also factored in, in which case the rate would obviously be higher, and also that those numbers are all for missions flown (the variable names say missions but some of the comments say victories).

Edited May 28, 2023 by Hotaru_Ito

[Corralandy120000]

9 hours ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

Unfortunately those aren't in the configs, they're in the actual code, so we can't edit them. I agree promotions are a little fast, but presumably they're balanced around the assumption that you're using a 1:1 missions credited to missions flown ratio and taking lots of leave. 185 to go from Oberfeldwebel to Major is reasonable if you only average, say, 4 per month--you'd be a Leutnant in 3 months, Oberleutnant in a year, Hauptmann in 2 years, and Major in 4 years. That's assuming victories aren't also factored in, in which case the rate would obviously be higher, and also that those numbers are all for missions flown (the variable names say missions but some of the comments say victories).

I see. It's a pitty. Is it possible there's a source code somewhere? 

[Hotaru_Ito]

8 hours ago, Corralandy120000 said:

I see. It's a pitty. Is it possible there's a source code somewhere? 

Yes, the GitHub repository is linked from this post:

 

 

@PatrickAWlson Do you think the requirements for medals and promotions could be exposed in a .json instead of hard-coded? Since you've simultaneously got people complaining that promotions happen too fast and that they happen too slow, it seems like something that could be made customizable. Thanks!

[Varibraun]

6 hours ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

Since you've simultaneously got people complaining that promotions happen too fast and that they happen too slow

 

Yeah...I too saw the irony of the last couple of days here.  Poor Pat...but the good news that I think he has a good sense of humor!

Edited May 29, 2023 by Varibraun

[Corralandy120000]

16 hours ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

 

@PatrickAWlson Do you think the requirements for medals and promotions could be exposed in a .json instead of hard-coded? Since you've simultaneously got people complaining that promotions happen too fast and that they happen too slow, it seems like something that could be made customizable. Thanks!

I wold be unbelievable thanful if this happens. I know it will take some work but I hope Mr. Wilson will make this dream come true

16 hours ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

Yes, the GitHub repository is linked from this post:

 

 

@PatrickAWlson 

 Thanks, I've found this thread already. I've tried it, but I got the very same problem in eclipse as the guy in the thread... So I'd be very grateful if this feature is customizable in .json.

 

 Meanwhile I'll try to make the github files to work.