Game version 1.201 discussion: Moscow Map and Campaign Open Beta, Ju-88, 64-bit

[Lusekofte]

Thank god , I dont mind doing it, but I mind doing it twice

[ShamrockOneFive]

I know I could go and unlock everything in one button press... But I'm having fun working my way through the aircraft (sort of one by one) and unlocking new features slowly. Forces me to try everything out in detail rather than giving everything a single shot before moving on. It's a good process for me.

 

Just to be a contrarian

[wtornado]

I am just wondering one thing purchasing one or all of these games.

 

So far I have bought BOS I was hoping that it would of been relatively

bug free after a year or two.

 

Out comes BOM piggy backing on BOS sharing all the bugs the BOM

beta has to offer with BOS version.

 

Will this game ever go from beta to Gold release and have fixed bugless

standalone versions.

 

Or will all the versions piggyback on each other creating and sharing bugs

as content is released and downloaded in the purchased version/versions you

have already own. 

 

I just don't feel like playing a beta game for 3-4 years anymore and paying a

small fortune in the process.

 

I have never paid 100$Cnd for a game in my life.Some of you might be rich I am not.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I'm not rich I have a job and BoS isn't beta and BOM just went to open beta so what are you trolling about?

[LukeFF]

 

 

Out comes BOM piggy backing on BOS sharing all the bugs the BOM beta has to offer with BOS version.

 

What are all these bugs you speak of? 

 

 

I have never paid 100$Cnd for a game in my life.Some of you might be rich I am not.

 

Welcome to the reality of inflation. You absolutely cannot expect video games to cost now what they cost in the late 90s/early 2000s. 

[Brano]

Im not from Canada but from small central Europe coutry called Slovakia. 80€ or such (maybe a bit less in preorder?) is the sum Im able to spend in one night out with my friends...when we dont drink much 

As I do not do these drinking raid parties every day,same as I dont buy games every day,its OK for me. Average salary in Slovakia is 3x lower then in Canada  

[VBF-12_Snake9]

What are all these bugs you speak of?

 

 

I have listed these bugs before when you asked. Everyone knows there are still bugs that should have been fixed a year and a half ago.

 

Doesn't mean the game is bad. But denying that there are two year old bugs is not being truthful.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I am just wondering one thing purchasing one or all of these games.

 

So far I have bought BOS I was hoping that it would of been relatively

bug free after a year or two.

 

Out comes BOM piggy backing on BOS sharing all the bugs the BOM

beta has to offer with BOS version.

 

Will this game ever go from beta to Gold release and have fixed bugless

standalone versions.

 

Or will all the versions piggyback on each other creating and sharing bugs

as content is released and downloaded in the purchased version/versions you

have already own. 

 

I just don't feel like playing a beta game for 3-4 years anymore and paying a

small fortune in the process.

 

I have never paid 100$Cnd for a game in my life.Some of you might be rich I am not.

 

I have listed these bugs before when you asked.

 

-snip-

 

No you didn't.

 

And nobody is pretending that there aren't any bugs... But you're pretending that they're absolutely game breaking and you're asking us to feign an unrealistic notion that all of the other recently released software products in the universe have no bugs.

 

Riiiiiiiiiight. 

 

I don't feel like I'm playing an eternal beta - try DayZ, Star Citizen or any of those other massively popular eternal-betas and you'd realize that when you're playing BOS/M you're consuming a rapidly evolving, constantly self-refining product.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Over the phone now, but I did just write "doesn't mean the game is bad" in the aforementioned post. You should read.

 

I will quote my list from just a few months ago when I get home.

 

This will be funny.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Over the phone now, but I did just write "doesn't mean the game is bad" in the aforementioned post. You should read.

 

I will quote my list from just a few months ago when I get home.

 

This will be funny.

 

What's going to be funny? 

 

What I find funny is that you think people are dismissing the fact that there are some bugs. You should read.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

I don't think you can quote from a locked topic so that sucks.  Copy and paste here.  

 

 

 

"I can say plenty. Thats the problem.

Lets see. 

Still have invisible planes.

Wobbly pitch rudder

No trim on axis

Random crashes

Low resolution bubble

Simplied graphics options

No mp lobby

This is two and half years. I love flying the game but lets not pretend things could, should be much more stable. It takes two years for the horrible ground looping to be addressed. Let's all slow clap here. "

 

 

 

Luke will remember those words well.  There's still plenty more.  Mainly the stability of the game needs alot of work.  I have crashes about once a every two days, but my poor wingman has crashes about every night.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21111-finding-cause-random-crash-issue-special-thread-1/

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21113-finding-cause-invisibility-plane-issue-special-thread-2/

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12261-video-and-sound-settings/

 

I know they are still working on things.................. but really it's been two years all ready.  Really...... Really.....

 

Enjoy I'm off to the uncle's beach house.  It's going to be a pretty weekend here.  You should enjoy the weekend too.      

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I don't think you can quote from a locked topic so that sucks.  Copy and paste here.  

 

 

 

"I can say plenty. Thats the problem.

 

Lets see. 

 

Still have invisible planes.

 

Wobbly pitch rudder

 

No trim on axis

 

Random crashes

 

Low resolution bubble

 

Simplied graphics options

 

No mp lobby

 

This is two and half years. I love flying the game but lets not pretend things could, should be much more stable. It takes two years for the horrible ground looping to be addressed. Let's all slow clap here. "

 

 

 

Luke will remember those words well.  There's still plenty more.  Mainly the stability of the game needs alot of work.  I have crashes about once a every two days, but my poor wingman has crashes about every night.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21111-finding-cause-random-crash-issue-special-thread-1/

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21113-finding-cause-invisibility-plane-issue-special-thread-2/

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12261-video-and-sound-settings/

 

I know they are still working on things.................. but really it's been two years all ready.  Really...... Really.....

 

Enjoy I'm off to the uncle's beach house.  It's going to be a pretty weekend here.  You should enjoy the weekend too.      

"I can say plenty. Thats the problem.

Lets see.

Still have invisible planes. mmm I haven't seen a invisible plane since last patch... 

Wobbly pitch rudder might be user hands or inputs, but this is also realistic in planes; but you don't have the real feeling to keep pressure on the pedals not a bug.

No trim on axis wont see this on plane dependency there is on the stabilizer for 109 don't know why you want this for other stuff. I know its used as an exploit. not a bug.

Random crashes not seeing this once again computer dependency not a bug

Low resolution bubble once again if you increased your resolution to 4k you wont have this issue with LODs but for engine game performance yes limited bubble. so not a bug.

Simplied graphics options ? so maybe you don't meet the low end specs? not a bug

No mp lobby feature not a bug...

 

This is two and half years. I love flying the game but lets not pretend things could, should be much more stable. It takes two years for the horrible ground looping to be addressed. Let's all slow clap here.wow system settings, 

Edited April 28, 2016 by 71st_Mastiff

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

That is exactly my point - I'm not disagreeing with the issues you have because I agree with some of them.

 

What I'm saying is I don't agree with all of them and I don't identify with all of them, either - I don't have any crashing. Certain things with the AI need tweaking (the AI spins the P-40 something fierce) but my 12-man 110 squad in PWCG takes off just fine. Nothing is breaking the game for me right now and it feels like something that matures with every update (obviously.)

 

This weekend I'm planning on flying some BOS and taking it easy so it should be just fine. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Still have invisible planes. mmm I haven't seen a invisible plane since last patch... I don't fly enough MP to speak on this one.

Wobbly pitch rudder might be user hands or inputs, but this is also realistic in planes; but you don't have the real feeling to keep pressure on the pedals not a bug.  Yep. 

No trim on axis wont see this on plane dependency there is on the stabilizer for 109 don't know why you want this for other stuff. I know its used as an exploit. not a bug. I think the real P-40 had trim on axis but I'm not sure off the top of my head.   

Random crashes not seeing this once again computer dependency not a bug Never had them myself. Maybe 3 times in the years I've owned this sim.

Low resolution bubble once again if you increased your resolution to 4k you wont have this issue with LODs but for engine game performance yes limited bubble. so not a bug. Yeah, it's not a bug... But it's certainly nothing to be proud of either. I hope it can be done better in the future but it's not a game-breaker for me. I'm flying with a 2K panel.

Simplied graphics options ? so maybe you don't meet the low end specs? not a bug No, it's not a bug but some user-defined granular controls over graphics settings would be a good thing.

No mp lobby feature not a bug...  A feature..? More like a lack thereof. Not a bug, though.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[Jade_Monkey]

Still have invisible planes. 

Wobbly pitch rudder

 

No trim on axis - Not a bug

 

Random crashes

 

Low resolution bubble - Not a bug

 

Simplied graphics options - Not a bug

 

No mp lobby - Not a bug

 

It seems like you dont know what a bug is.

You might not agree with their design decisions but calling these items bugs is just wrong.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

ghost your right trim on axis for P-40 yes.. but why, if you have a stick with POV like most people now days we use the POV as trim control.. but yes need the trim wheel axis..

[Rjel]

If one factors in the rate of inflation, BoS and BoM aren't priced much higher than a lot of games I bought in 1990. I remember buying several games in the $40 range. Some $50-60. $40 now is about $73 based on U.S. inflation. I still find value in my purchase of BoS and BoM.

[wtornado]

Got flamed to hell there for speaking my mind this time.

 

Last time I will do that.

 

But the 1.201 patch really hurt my game stability introducing BOM stuff.

 

The game ran well before that.

 

I had no issues at all

 

Now it is to the point of me not playing anymore.And it is not just

random when on comms with my old squad mate when it is not

happening to me a few times a week it is happening to him.

 

We do not have the same mother board video card etc but the

problems are the same.

 

Crashing to desktop as if the game never even run.

 

I was not crashing before 1.201.

 

Can't really play MP when I join with my 30mb/sec line

I get booted probably due to distance and server population.

WOL is the best server for me anyways.

 

Controls and joystick stop working without unplugging the hardware

and you have to redefine them.

 

The funniest bug is the input response that cost me 2-3 planes was

the key mapping/Plane control:pitch.You set it with your joystick and

go to Input responses and pull back in the stick it indicates up,push

forward on the stick and it indicates down.

 

 

All is great so far until you get into the plane.You pull back on the

stick the elevator does down and when you push the stick forward

the elevator goes up and the plane lifts.

 

Input response indicator is the opposite of what the plane response

actually does.That was not bugged before the patch.

 

I was so convinced it was a hardware problem I even used another

joystick to retest and reconfigure it with the same results.

 

Bug was not there before 1.201 I would of noticed.Played mods for so

long you get used to noticing.

 

What else is bugged if that is?

 

How many noticed it?

 

Soooo... my squad mate and I installed Rise of flight 2.0 united

 

Another 1c / 777 Studios game.

 

Got the Channel missions DLC.play online.Might buy the bomber DLC too

 

Hats off to 1c and  777 Studios. I found co-ops missions and went to the

 

ROF forum to see how they were to be installed and run in the server.

 

The co-ops run great in the game and it runs stable and fluid.

 

Just throw up the co-op put in a password and let her rip.

 

Very happy about this.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

sorry to here that you cant figure it out. 

 

be well and prosper, hopefully you find out what the issue is in the end.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

-snip-

The funniest bug is the input response that cost me 2-3 planes was

the key mapping/Plane control:pitch.You set it with your joystick and

go to Input responses and pull back in the stick it indicates up,push

forward on the stick and it indicates down.

 

 

All is great so far until you get into the plane.You pull back on the

stick the elevator does down and when you push the stick forward

the elevator goes up and the plane lifts.

 

Input response indicator is the opposite of what the plane response

actually does.That was not bugged before the patch.

 

I was so convinced it was a hardware problem I even used another

joystick to retest and reconfigure it with the same results.

-snip-

Try inverting the control axis in the controls.

[LLv24_Zami]

Welcome to the real world mate!

 

There are no totally bug free games.

[Nocke]

Concerning crashes: I did have them after last patch, but turned out to be related to team speak overlay. Since I replaced that by tsnotifier, I haven't had a SINGLE crash. Perhaps you are also having some weird and perhaps unique interaction with some piece of hard- or software? Try to remove stuff step by step, perhaps you can find a culprit that way....

[LukeFF]

 

 

Got flamed to hell there for speaking my mind this time.

 

No, it's just natural that people are going to have disagreements with things you say. Claiming that something is a bug because a feature is missing from the game (i.e., more detailed graphics options) is going to be met with criticism, like it or not.  

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

No, it's just natural that people are going to have disagreements with things you say. Claiming that something is a bug because a feature is missing from the game (i.e., more detailed graphics options) is going to be met with criticism, like it or not.  

 

I also disagree with the notion that everybody's experience with the product is the exact same or should be exactly the same - I simply haven't suffered from some of the problems that people seem to complain about endlessly so it's going to be pretty hard for me to relate to or identify with the issue - ie. "My game crashes every 5 minutes!" "My airplane wobbles all over the sky!"

 

As for getting "flamed" for mentioning things like "The GUI gives me the impression things are being bound backwards!" Uh... Sounds like a PEBKAC to me. When PEBKAC=1 BUG=0.

[wtornado]

Try inverting the control axis in the controls.

I did invert the control axis I can get it to work but the input responses are still opposite of plane itself 

 

Concerning crashes: I did have them after last patch, but turned out to be related to team speak overlay. Since I replaced that by tsnotifier, I haven't had a SINGLE crash. Perhaps you are also having some weird and perhaps unique interaction with some piece of hard- or software? Try to remove stuff step by step, perhaps you can find a culprit that way....

We both use teamspeak that could be a possibility if you had problems with it too.

 

[Livai]

I also disagree with the notion that everybody's experience with the product is the exact same or should be exactly the same - I simply haven't suffered from some of the problems that people seem to complain about endlessly so it's going to be pretty hard for me to relate to or identify with the issue - ie. "My game crashes every 5 minutes!" "My airplane wobbles all over the sky!"

 

As for getting "flamed" for mentioning things like "The GUI gives me the impression things are being bound backwards!" Uh... Sounds like a PEBKAC to me. When PEBKAC=1 BUG=0.

 

The Game crash not a joke. It crash if I change something inside Settings for example Input Devices, Graphic Settings..... It crash during a Multiplayer game. Why I am silence because the 64-bit is still Beta means there are maybe small problems.

 

Crash dumps the game never created. But I get message that the game.exe crashed....

 

Each comment and each problem should be identify where the issue is and not to solve a problem or a comment with a simple NYET!

[wtornado]

The Game crash not a joke. It crash if I change something inside Settings for example Input Devices, Graphic Settings..... It crash during a Multiplayer game. Why I am silence because the 64-bit is still Beta means there are maybe small problems.

 

Crash dumps the game never created. But I get message that the game.exe crashed....

 

Each comment and each problem should be identify where the issue is and not to solve a problem or a comment with a simple NYET!

It only crashes in multiplayer not in single player.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

The Game crash not a joke. It crash if I change something inside Settings for example Input Devices, Graphic Settings..... It crash during a Multiplayer game. Why I am silence because the 64-bit is still Beta means there are maybe small problems.

 

Crash dumps the game never created. But I get message that the game.exe crashed....

 

Each comment and each problem should be identify where the issue is and not to solve a problem or a comment with a simple NYET!

 

I didn't say it was a joke - I said it doesn't happen to me so it's going to be pretty hard for me to identify this as a game breaking issue which affects the majority of the community because clearly it doesn't.

[LukeFF]

 

 

it doesn't happen to me so it's going to be pretty hard for me to identify this as a game breaking issue which affects the majority of the community because clearly it doesn't.

 

Exactly. If it was such a major issue, this forum and 1CGS's help desk would be flooded with complaints and angry demands for it to be fixed. Since that isn't happening, well... 

[SharpeXB]

I did invert the control axis I can get it to work but the input responses are still opposite of plane itself

 

I had a problem with control axis getting inverted in RoF, not recently though. I discovered the fix was to just bring up the response menu, without quitting the flight, move the controller but don't invert it. Just esc and go back to the game. Then it would work.

I haven't had this problem in BoS though. Maybe try that solution above.

Edited April 29, 2016 by SharpeXB

[wtornado]

I do not think you understand the controls work you can get the joystick to work it is the coding for pitch ''input response''that

indicates when you push on the stick it indicates down and when you pull back on the stick it indicates up input response

In game in the aircraft it is the opposite with these settings they are coded wrong input response vs plane controls in game

are the exact opposite.

 

You can get it to work but it is still wrong.

 

They probably played around the controller coding trying to get the Saitek Cyborg and other joysticks and controllers to work 64bit.

 

So far if I play offline you get no crashing issues at all in single player or missions gamepaly.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I do not think you understand the controls work you can get the joystick to work it is the coding for pitch ''input response''that

indicates when you push on the stick it indicates down and when you pull back on the stick it indicates up input response

In game in the aircraft it is the opposite with these settings they are coded wrong input response vs plane controls in game

are the exact opposite.

 

You can get it to work but it is still wrong.

 

They probably played around the controller coding trying to get the Saitek Cyborg and other joysticks and controllers to work 64bit.

 

So far if I play offline you get no crashing issues at all in single player or missions gamepaly.

oh you mean the indication in the set up yes, they are aware of this; unknown if they can fix it, I have reported that awhile back.

 

you just have to deal with it...

[wtornado]

I had a problem with control axis getting inverted in RoF, not recently though. I discovered the fix was to just bring up the response menu, without quitting the flight, move the controller but don't invert it. Just esc and go back to the game. Then it would work.

I haven't had this problem in BoS though. Maybe try that solution above.

Just bought the Bombers pack and have the Channel missions pack I have no issues with Rise of flight it works really well

with my CH throttle quadrant,Logitech 3D Pro ,Logitech G13 and Momo racing wheels pedals.

 

I am enjoying playing it these days.

[SYN_Mike77]

For me, Since I updated my nvidia drivers I am able to play the game just fine for about a half an hour to an hour when suddenly the screen goes black and my computer restarts.  Quite unsettling when it happens.  It doesn't seem to matter if I'm playing qmb, on line or in campaign.  RoF still runs great and right now they are having a 7th anniversary sale so if you haven't checked the game out yet I'd happily recommend RoF!

[Rjel]

I try to stay away from these discussions when someone feels the game is "broken" or "buggy" because generally that person is so staunch in their beliefs that little will change their view. Last year I had all the frequent crashes to desktop that a lot of others were having. When the game ran well though it was worth the frustration. Even after a lot of folks started to post how much more stable the game had become I was still experiencing crashes. Maybe not a often but still more than I would've liked.

 

It wasn't until I upgraded to Win10 that I think I found what my issue had been. I couldn't get the upgrade to install. I don't remember what exactly the issue was but the gist of it was my Win7 install had become corrupted in some way. I never experienced any crashes outside of BoS but there was something that was causing the sim to kick out. After reinstalling 7 my upgrade to Win10 went like clockwork. Since that time, I'd say BoS and all of the patches to add BoM content have preformed pretty much as I'd hoped for. As a practice, after every major patch I do a new install of the sim from a saved download. One big patch sometimes, but it seems to smooth out any little wrinkles for me.

 

As I said, this game today, to me anyway, is nearly problem free. I've only had a couple of crashes. I think those are attributable to not closing down a couple of background programs. I generally try to reboot before launching BoS. It seems to help. My system is about five years old and in need or an upgrade but I'm going to push it until fall at the earliest. Still, I'm able to fly the new maps, the campaigns without any real issues. All in all, I'm really pleased with the progress being made. I'm more than eager to see where we go after BoM goes gold.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Rjel

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

For me, Since I updated my nvidia drivers I am able to play the game just fine for about a half an hour to an hour when suddenly the screen goes black and my computer restarts. Quite unsettling when it happens. It doesn't seem to matter if I'm playing qmb, on line or in campaign. RoF still runs great and right now they are having a 7th anniversary sale so if you haven't checked the game out yet I'd happily recommend RoF!

your computer is over heating hence the reason it's shutting down.

[SYN_Mike77]

nope, liquid cooled and never gets over 64c.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

maybe the video card then, the textures in this game are very hard on my gtx980ti and it reaches temps of 88c... the fan hits 99% every time I play this.

 

ah I see you only have 2gb of ram, on that one in your sig. there's your problem you would have to run this game at balanced settings.

Edited May 1, 2016 by 71st_Mastiff

[Pharoah]

i found the JU88 so difficult to handle on take off...the a/c kept veering off to the right (even with full rudder and adjusted throttles). Is there some sort of special trick to this bird?

[SYN_Mike77]

mastif: what do you think they changed to require me to tune the video down?  Was it the move to 64 bits?  Note, I did not have this problem until recently.