Finnish VirtualPilots - Dynamic War

[Carl_infar]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

Hi Admin,

 

As it would appear that reds are having no difficulty in beating the blues, would it be possible to allow greater numbers of Me262s as well as allowing them an appearance other than plane-set 12? 

 

In addition, as I started to taxing out I hit a starting Me262 and it would appear that the aircraft was lost, therefore, surely allowing more than 4 x Me262s for a whole mission rotation (approx 5 hrs) is not going to change the odds significantly?

 

For you consideration.

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

xD, i'll tell You a secret, blues already have more aircraft kills, than Red, but less ground kills , although logging much more hours, so another space waffles plane want help ya win the maps...

Find another reason than...

[CCG_Pips]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

Hi Admin,

 

As it would appear that reds are having no difficulty in beating the blues, would it be possible to allow greater numbers of Me262s as well as allowing them an appearance other than plane-set 12? 

 

In addition, as I started to taxing out I hit a starting Me262 and it would appear that the aircraft was lost, therefore, surely allowing more than 4 x Me262s for a whole mission rotation (approx 5 hrs) is not going to change the odds significantly?

 

For you consideration.

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

 

Hi admins,

 

Should you, please, to satisfy Haza, allow that next 5 maps are automatically wins by German forces ???

 

It would be great ?

Edited September 22, 2021 by CCG_Pips

[Haza]

4 hours ago, Carl_infar said:

xD, i'll tell You a secret, blues already have more aircraft kills, than Red, but less ground kills , although logging much more hours, so another space waffles plane want help ya win the maps...

Find another reason than...

 

Hi Carl,

 

Thank you, I too can read the stats and I am well aware of the which side has done what, however, I will tell you a secret, reds have won overall for the last 12 months. That said, I was under the impression the reason for limiting the Me 262 numbers was to try and maintain a level of balance. I'm certainly not either a red or blue player and have played both sides on other servers. Indeed, on this server I have tried to alternate sides every quarter, so will do my bit to do the ground attacking which will hopefully turn the map for which ever side.

 

However, unfortunately today, it became readily apparent to me after I had spun into another player who was playing an Me262, that the numbers are ridiculously low. By the time he had spawned out to try and respawn, there were no other Me262s available. In addition, I do not believe that these aircraft are resupplied if they are either shot down or are wasted, such as I did in the ground collision. As such, only having 4 aircraft for a 5 hour map in one plane-set that last less than 2 days, perhaps could be looked at.

 

Therefore, I have merely requested that the allocation be reviewed. 

 

Regards

 

 

 

[edited]

 

 

  

Edited September 22, 2021 by SYN_Haashashin

[Haza]

1 hour ago, Diggun said:

Actually, blue have been doing significantly better than usual this quarter, having won 2 out of 6 missions. This improvement in the blue teams success has been caused by a small but dedicated number of blue flyers who have been actually flying the mission and attacking red ground targets, and the blue dominance in the tank combat arena. The latter is unavoidable due to the nature of the tanks available, and the limitations of the sim to accurately reflect issues with blue tank design, deployment and logistics, but the former came as a shock, though a welcome one, to many of us dedicated red players. Bravo blue ground attack & bombers!

 

Cheers for your post Diggun,

 

I've certainly tried to do more tank stuff and it is great fun when there are about 5-8 tanks all headed down the road. In deed, I gifted iFollow the tank game yesterday as he was still stuck in one of those basic tanks and we were all in Panthers, Tigers and Ferdinands.

 

However, I think you are right, I have certainly seen a lot more team work amongst the blue guys and that's even from those who do not belong to a squad. There are are few guys like the JV44 sqaud, who welcome all guys to join in with them, so I'm just enjoying the time, although I was annoyed today when I collided with Skywarp (i think was his name) when he had just got his Me262, hence my post.

 

Anyway, hopefully catch you in the server.

 

Regards

 

 

[Diggun]

Just now, Haza said:

hopefully catch you in the server.

If you're flying blue, hopefully I will catch you...

[CCG_Pips]

To remain on the Me 262 subject....

 

No problem for me to increase quantity knowing that 80% of pilots are even unable to start it!!!

 

Good flight

Edited September 22, 2021 by CCG_Pips

[Talisman]

No tanks and no jets would save a lot of problems on this server, lol.

 

Common admins you know it makes sense. 

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[CountZero]

cant wait for 234 to come in to the game, more fun for server hosts

 

my opinion on 262 is it should not even be on server

[216th_Jordan]

Server down ❓

[[F.Circus]MoerasGrizzly]

On 9/22/2021 at 11:57 AM, Haza said:

however, I will tell you a secret, reds have won overall for the last 12 months.

And if you followed the discussion of the last 12 months in here, you will note that the Reds have been clamouring for people to actually just fly bomber and ground attack missions for once. The problem here is not that the Axis don't get their "Wunderwaffe". The problem is that the Axis believe that they need it and don't try to achieve victory with the tools they actually have.

Edited September 26, 2021 by [F.Circus]MoerasGrizzly

[LLv34_Untamo]

S!

 

Small update:

Our system now supports different premade scenarios / variants of the map starting situation. So now every time the map is won, and the next map comes, the starting frontline situation is different than the last time.

 

The RPS set is now reset to set #1 on the start of a new map. The system also now supports scenario/map variant specific RPS sets, although we haven't yet made them (so they all still have the same sets), but the support is there

Edited September 28, 2021 by LLv34_Untamo

[LLv34_Untamo]

S!

 

Also:

Thanks to @Ryanair_roccobarbi the stats page planner is back up!

The planner is up at:
https://il2missionplanner.link

 

And you can see the situation of our server with this link:
https://il2missionplanner.link/#virtualpilots

Edited September 28, 2021 by LLv34_Untamo

[LLv34_Temuri]

Revised plane and tank sets in use:
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RPSObsoletingAllies.png
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RPSObsoletingAxis.png
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RTS.png

Also reverted back to global plane and tank sets that don't reset to the first set when a map is won.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Just a question and please notice I am not a Fighter Plane expert ?

Is the 109 G6 late without MW50 competitive with Spit IX, P38, P47‘s 150 oct. and Typhoon in Planeset 5?

Or have it too much power includes MW50?

Best regards,

Moltke

 

[=FEW=Revolves]

6 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Just a question and please notice I am not a Fighter Plane expert ?

Is the 109 G6 late without MW50 competitive with Spit IX, P38, P47‘s 150 oct. and Typhoon in Planeset 5?

Or have it too much power includes MW50?

Best regards,

Moltke

 

 

The G-6 and G-6 Late without MW50 have basically the same performance, so you can take a look at these two pages (I used G-6 instead of G-6 Late because there's lots more data):

 

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/847/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_FILTER

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/847/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=JUICE

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/847/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_BOMBS_JUICE

 

(The second to compare vs p-47s with 150 octane, the third to compare vs P-38s with no bombs, the first for the rest)\

 

The stats seem to suggest that these matchups except vs the typhoon are slightly allied favored. Although that could also be because mainly skilled players preordered Normandy and thus higher skilled ppl fly the typhoons. Here:

 

First number wins, second loses, third wins/losses

 

 

If you instead compare the G-6 Late those planes are around the 1.2-1.4 marks (except the typhoon), and the G-14 stis around 1.1-1.2 K/D vs those planes (again more skilled players have G-6 late because of normandy preorder).

 

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/2337/JUICE/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_FILTER

 

You can also take a look at the 190 A-3 performance, it performs well against most of those planes and has an advantage vs most of them.

Edited September 30, 2021 by =FEW=Revolves

[[F.Circus]sith1144]

1 hour ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Revised plane and tank sets in use:
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RPSObsoletingAllies.png
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RPSObsoletingAxis.png
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RTS.png

Also reverted back to global plane and tank sets that don't reset to the first set when a map is won.

It would appear this is 7 sets for the allies, 12 for the Germans

[LLv34_Temuri]

2 minutes ago, [F.Circus]sith1144 said:

It would appear this is 7 sets for the allies, 12 for the Germans

Refresh your browser cache.

[CCG_Pips]

Question? what means the numbers in the Tank sets ?   number of tanks per missions ?

 

Also no limitation in weapons load for German planes ?

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by CCG_Pips

[Amyel]

i think number of points per tank (what i's worth)

similar to

Generally, fighters are worth 400 points, ground attack planes and bombers 300 points. Some slower planes like Po-2 and Ju-87 are worth a bit less.

 

And no restrictions - sounds great!

[JG4_Moltke1871]

25 minutes ago, =FEW=Revolves said:

 

The G-6 and G-6 Late without MW50 have basically the same performance, so you can take a look at these two pages (I used G-6 instead of G-6 Late because there's lots more data):

 

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/847/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_FILTER

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/847/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=JUICE

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/847/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_BOMBS_JUICE

 

(The second to compare vs p-47s with 150 octane, the third to compare vs P-38s with no bombs, the first for the rest)

 

The stats seem to suggest that these matchups except vs the typhoon are slightly allied favored. Although that could also be because mainly skilled players preordered Normandy and thus higher skilled ppl fly the typhoons.

 

 

 

(First number is wins, second losses, third wins / losses)

 

If you instead compare the G-6 Late those planes are around the 1.2-1.4 marks (except the typhoon), and the G-14 stis around 1.1-1.2 K/D vs those planes (again more skilled players have G-6 late because of normandy preorder).

 

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/2337/JUICE/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_FILTER

 

You can also take a look at the 190 A-3 performance, it performs well against most of those planes and has an advantage vs most of them.

These stats seems a good way to come into the Topic.

Unfortunately I can’t open the images on my phone, I try later on the Computer.

Seems Typhoons are the beasts in the Sky in Planeset 5 ?

 

Always up to the players skills but this is an own topic ?

 

@=FEW=Revolves thanks a lot for your effort ??

 

[JG4_Qetzalcoatl]

Only a few thaughts by me:

 

The previous planeset was very good balanced. The only problem for me was the introducing of the Typhoon without a real counterpart on the blue side. In my opinion the Typhoon is such a beast with such good performance data in the game that the blue side need a plane with MW-50 like the G6late. To be honest the G6 and G6late without MW-50 are mostly useless. Yes, they have a big gun, but that´s it. To put it in a favourable position to use it, is the real challenge...

The usefullness of the Focke Wulfs 190 in the game is another difficult topic. They too have a big punch, but I know many fighter pilots don´t like them because in the sky you have to less options in an encounter with the enemy. In light of the many combat reports by real WWII pilots it seems that all Focke Wulfs are a bit underperforming in the game. At least I never saw any negative reports about the FW 190 in the biographies but I know a lot of complaints about the Fw 190 in the game. As I said this is my personal opinion, please take it as such.

 

Keep up your good work! S!

[CountZero]

But there is P-47D22 and P-47D28 with 150oct and P-51B in planset 5, arnt they scary ones and on top .50cal got bosted so how is Typhoon scary one ?

 

I guess 262 lovers will be glad with 7 set rotation, insted 12 set, they can fly 262 more offten now in period of one tour.

 

I stilll fined it so funny that Lagg3 is one airplane needs to have gun restrictions LOL

[Talisman]

3 hours ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Revised plane and tank sets in use:
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RPSObsoletingAllies.png
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RPSObsoletingAxis.png
http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RTS.png

Also reverted back to global plane and tank sets that don't reset to the first set when a map is won.

 

FW Dora introduced in plane set 6 and Tempest not until plane set 7?  Is this a mistake or by design?

 

Or am I reading wrong?

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[=FEW=Revolves]

1 hour ago, ACG_Talisman said:

 

FW Dora introduced in plane set 6 and Tempest not until plane set 7?  Is this a mistake or by design?

 

Or am I reading wrong?

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

 

That's one decision I don't disagree with, the Tempest is imo the most best prop fighter we've got in the game.

 

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft_killboard/1425/NO_FILTER/?tour=42&enemy_filter=NO_FILTER

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Can't remember, will I need to re-register for the new quarter?  Do squads also need to be set up again?

 

Thanks

 

EDIT:  LOL, I asked the same squad question in 2017.  One answer was they didn't think so.  Oh well...

 

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by VBF-12_Stick-95

[=FEW=Revolves]

38 minutes ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

Can't remember, will I need to re-register for the new quarter?  Do squads also need to be set up again?

 

Thanks

 

EDIT:  LOL, I asked the same squad question in 2017.  One answer was they didn't think so.  Oh well...

 

 

 

Squads carry over tours, no need to re-register it.

[KG200_Achilleus]

still Me262 in the planeset??

its better to give the K4 with no DC in planeset 6, and K4 with DC in planeset 7, rather doing this..

really now, does anybody need me262?

come on guys, you have settled one of the best balanced(reality-gameplay) virtual wars ever, you can do it even more balanced, its a game not a war!

“GAME” is a word that some fasist moron virtual pilots must remember when chute killing and allowing it..;)

[TCW_Welsh78]

When does Q4 begin? I thought it was today?

 

[LLv34_Temuri]

Revised sets once more. I'll let them sit like they are now for some time.

 

15 minutes ago, TCW_Welsh78 said:

When does Q4 begin? I thought it was today?

It's not automatic. I'll be applying the "new tour by map win" mod today when I have time.

[TCW_Welsh78]

Brilliant, look forward to it. Thank you.

 

[Diggun]

3 hours ago, KG200_Achilles said:

its better to give the K4 with no DC in planeset 6, and K4 with DC in planeset 7

I'm fine with the 262, it keeps the opposition occupied, and it's been well over a year since I have been shot down by one. Id much rather they had the 262 - an aircraft actually used in some numbers than the DC engine in the K4 which...wasn't.

[iFoxRomeo]

Some people seem to have ptsd-262.

Have to ask the WHO to add ptsd-262 to the ICD...

 

Thanks Temuri.

 

p.s.

oh... from 7 to 8 sets... but far better than 12 sets. I hope I can find more time to fly. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by iFoxRomeo

[CountZero]

set 5 and 6 look strange, i see typhoon got removed fast but why is spit9e in set 5 and la5fn in set 6, should not that be oposite or we pretend spit9e is early spit9 and la5fn is la7 ?

[=FEW=Revolves]

26 minutes ago, CountZero said:

set 5 and 6 look strange, i see typhoon got removed fast but why is spit9e in set 5 and la5fn in set 6, should not that be oposite or we pretend spit9e is early spit9 and la5fn is la7 ?

 

I think @Krupnski suggested the sets to the FVP admins - or at least the fighters part of it. He'll know best why he decided to do it like that.

 

My guess is that the sets are mainly based on balance and not introduction times, and the Spit 9 is not as capable as the LA-5FN in good hands in game, mainly because of dat acceleration, climb rate and top speed the la-5fn has near the deck (where most fights on FVP happen).

Edited October 1, 2021 by =FEW=Revolves

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, =FEW=Revolves said:

 

I think @Krupnski suggested the sets to the FVP admins - or at least the fighters part of it. He'll know best why he decided to do it like that.

 

My guess is that the sets are mainly based on balance and not introduction times, and the Spit 9 is not as capable as the LA-5FN in good hands in game, mainly because of dat acceleration, climb rate and top speed the la-5fn has near the deck (where most fights on FVP happen).

ah that explains P-38 so early ?

 

[Robli]

Has the issue with indestructable static tanks under camo nets been solved?

If not, would it be a big job to replace these objects with general static tanks?

[CCG_Pips]

During current mission (11614) . Temporary AF at Tormosin - 1613- does not open while it was supplied 

 

Edited October 1, 2021 by CCG_Pips

[JG1_Wittmann]

Looks like the mission score this quarter  is at 5 allies  2 german.   Closer than recently normal.  I think that,  coupled with the fact that Kuban wasn't a pushover like it normally is for the allies,  with all it's inherent advantages for them,   alarms sounded and it was time to make some drastic  plan-set changes  to get the balance more  in the normal range where the allies usually win

 

Well,  regarding the new plan-set....    I  can't really speak to the  overall performance  of the AC   in a fighter vs fighter   manner,   I'm  not good  at this at all, and will leave it to the more experienced and capable dog-fighters to debate.     Strictly from a standpoint  of #'s of set's with adequate firepower to deal with IL2's    which now seems to be one of the better fighters in planset 1 due to modelling and armament/armor,    the #'s  speak for themselves.   Previous planeset,   the germans had  effective cannon equipped planes to deal with the allied bombers/strikers    for  75 %   of the plane-sets.    Now that we only have  8 plan-sets, and  we don't get a really effective cannon armed AC vs bombers/strikers until  the same planeset,  4,   we now only have firepower effectiveness vs certain types  for 62.5 % of the plane-sets.   That is a 12.5 % decrease in firepower vs strikers.  Plane-set 1 seems to be the most horrible for the german side.  With having a BOB AC  the E-7  and crappy mgff guns,   vs  a hurricane,  that is not allowed it's 4 20mm cannon upgrade at this point, but is allowed to have the 2 20mm cannons and the 2 russian .50's installed,   while the only add on firepower for germans  is 2 .30 cal mgs we can put on a macchi,   which is an ok  ac,  handicapped by the horrible tinted gunsight, and no cannons.

 

On a side note,  have heard many  questions regarding the scoring for AC,  and  many wondering why fighters are worth 400, and bombers  are only worth 300  when I believe it used to be bombers were worth 250 or 200 and fighters   150 or 100 ?  

[purK]

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

ah that explains P-38 so early ?

 

I think you'll find the 190s will make easy work of most P38 anyways, and it won't escape the 109s in a dive either. It can always be adjusted if it doesn't work out.

[TCW_Welsh78]

Hi guys, I’m guessing that Q4 will begin once the current map is won? Very much looking forward to it.