Tactical Air War

[JG7_X-Man]

On 5/6/2020 at 7:41 PM, 666GIAP_Chimanov said:

Exactly the same i said. And your approach is wrong, you assume people don't fly it (actually only some, other still fly it)  because of the 3 lives rule, and that's not the case.

 

 I stopped flying because of cheaters. 

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

On 5/18/2020 at 5:08 PM, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

There were problems in the first 2-3 weeks of the pandemic around the nodes/knots in Germany during European evening times. Everyone was suffering from it.

 

 

Now, a question: Where is the server located? ?

 

 

So, as you may know now, it's neither the admins' nor the players' faults. These things just happen. Blame the German Telekom (formerly state owned) for neglecting building up a modern internet infrastructure.?

So what’s the excuse for the other 2 months?  Nodes must only be weak when you’re in trouble.  Although, I’ve been in trouble a lot, but have never disco’d.  
 

And the guy I fly with has internet straight from the 90s, and he’s never been disco’d.

 

Jesting aside, as noted above, coincidence or correlation, it still smells like stinky shite to me.

[FeuerFliegen]

Maybe I missed something, but why is the server stopped?

[ITAF_Airone1989]

16 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Maybe I missed something, but why is the server stopped?

Due to last patch, they have to upgrade the server and then it will run again

[todeskvlt]

Server updated.

[LLv24_Zami]

Technochat seems to be on.

Edited May 20, 2020 by LLv24_Zami

[todeskvlt]

8 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Technochat seems to be on.

 

Wait until new campaign.

 

[LLv24_Zami]

16 minutes ago, =L/R=todchenko said:

 

Wait until new campaign.

 

Cool, looking forward to it. 

[E69_Zelar]

Have you think about lengthen the duration of misions? Maybe half and hour, to encourage the pilots to use more the bombers and at the same time lessen the queue to join the server...?

[Cpt_Siddy]

Technochat should be on until the new engine system management.

 

As it stands now, a 0.00000000000000000000000001% over the stated limit means you can burn out our engine and have no clue you are doing so. 

[Matthias_PDX]

Don’t run at that rpm, maybe?

[Cpt_Siddy]

22 minutes ago, MatthiasAlpha said:

Don’t run at that rpm, maybe?

 

i will feed those words back to you when the first 109 jockeys come crying in their milk about how they blew their engines because they ran their mounts at combat speed instead of nominal 

 

Most Russian planes dont have this problem 

[Matthias_PDX]

27 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

i will feed those words back to you when the first 109 jockeys come crying in their milk about how they blew their engines because they ran their mounts at combat speed instead of nominal 

 

Most Russian planes dont have this problem 

It’ll happen. I can find cause enough on my own. 

[LLv24_Zami]

45 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

i will feed those words back to you when the first 109 jockeys come crying in their milk about how they blew their engines because they ran their mounts at combat speed instead of nominal 

 

Most Russian planes dont have this problem 

I flew planes from all sides during recent beta testing without technochat. If you are used to fly these planes, it`s not a big deal. People are just making a strange fuss about it.

 

And 109 jockeys don`t cry, they`ll leave it to the Yak drivers 

Edited May 20, 2020 by LLv24_Zami

[Cevert]

it would be possible to disable Tech chat and handling tips?  are now governed by difficulty settings that can be enforced on a multiplayer server

 

I think it makes the simulation less immersive

Edited May 20, 2020 by Cevert
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[E69_Qpassa_VR]

1 hour ago, Cevert said:

it would be possible to disable Tech chat and handling tips?  are now governed by difficulty settings that can be enforced on a multiplayer server

 

I think it makes the simulation less immersive

Next campaign, already answered 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

5 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

i will feed those words back to you when the first 109 jockeys come crying in their milk about how they blew their engines because they ran their mounts at combat speed instead of nominal 

 

Most Russian planes dont have this problem 

 

Hey Sid, we cruise at 1.1ata. 2100rpm instead of 2250. List goes on. Save Mother Earth. Cruise responsibly.

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

109s? Yaks? P-40 will be the funniest thing to fly without the chat.

[E69_Soec]

By the way, VR users, do you know if there is a way so the radio messages about enemies follow your head movements? now I have to choose between checking my 6 or being updated...

[Cpt_Siddy]

3 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

 

Hey Sid, we cruise at 1.1ata. 2100rpm instead of 2250. List goes on. Save Mother Earth. Cruise responsibly.

 

You can, but both you and me know that most wont 

[WokeUpDead]

I didn’t understand at first but now I see that technochat is the messages that tell you if you are running your engine at combat or constant, if your engine is overheating, if your flaps are down etc? I hope that stays on.
 

“Harder” does not necessarily mean “realistic.”

[FTC_Kongoo]

uh oh

[LLv24_Zami]

6 hours ago, WokeUpBlue said:

I didn’t understand at first but now I see that technochat is the messages that tell you if you are running your engine at combat or constant, if your engine is overheating, if your flaps are down etc? I hope that stays on.
 

“Harder” does not necessarily mean “realistic.”

Why can`t you use gauges to check what how the engine is running? Or the temperatures?

 

It`s not hard.

[72AG_SerWolf]

1 час назад, LLv24_Zami сказал:

Why can`t you use gauges to check what how the engine is running? Or the temperatures?

 

It`s not hard.

Becose the gauges is very small, and if yoy eant to check temperature, or RPM, or something else, you must use zoom and turn your camera-head.

In real life gauges is more bigger, and you can move only eyes to see it.

[LLv24_Zami]

6 minutes ago, 72AG_SerWolf said:

Becose the gauges is very small, and if yoy eant to check temperature, or RPM, or something else, you must use zoom and turn your camera-head.

In real life gauges is more bigger, and you can move only eyes to see it.

What are you talking about?

 

There`s no need for zoom. Of course you have to turn your head a bit, depends what you are looking for. 

[72AG_SerWolf]

5 минут назад, LLv24_Zami сказал:

What are you talking about?

 

There`s no need for zoom. Of course you have to turn your head a bit, depends what you are looking for. 

Depend what monitor you use. I have 27inch, gauges 1-2cm in normal FOV.

 

And realistic not equal real, if you understand what I mean. So you dont want compass and technochat, but you can die a lot of times. May be shoot of the technochat and give for you only one life? So if you die, bring you computer to the trash

little kidding:)

[HR_Tumu]

The Binomium  Hard  /  realistic i think is interesting.

 

 IRL , pilots no recibed tecnochat alerts. But IRL they see cockpit in 1:1 escale ( i never used VR ) but maybe is more easy check data on 1:1 word.  I think tecnochat helps on this point.

 

But the most interesting is the absolute absensce of sensations. For example G efects have the purposse of simulate it on some way... and its only capable on visual area for the player.(lost of vision to red or black )

 

Is interesting for me, because reading some pilot biography...  For example 

 

Once time, Andres Fierro  and 2 more members of giap, take off at same time ... they recibed a radio message,  enemy H111 inbound very high. Three pilots take off fast to intercept enemy... same plane, same loadout  but along the climbing... Andres fierro take huge distance to the rest... this wasnt a anecdotical situation... Fierro usually climb more fast than rest of squad members . The rest ask to him, how he can do allways it... Basically he replies, he have a eye on gauges and dials ... but he simply feel the engine ... simply listen to engine he know whate they need and manage to take max power.  That was interesting for me. Ok are gauges, are dials, are instructions etc, etc.... but at the end, best performance is obtained by pilot feeling and listening plane.

 

Fusion man/machine and ciborgs on ww2 

 

 

 

 

 

[LLv24_Zami]

13 minutes ago, 72AG_SerWolf said:

Depend what monitor you use. I have 27inch, gauges 1-2cm in normal FOV.

 

And realistic not equal real, if you understand what I mean. So you dont want compass and technochat, but you can die a lot of times. May be shoot of the technochat and give for you only one life? So if you die, bring you computer to the trash

little kidding:)

If you fly a plane a lot, you learn the scale of gauges. You don't have to see exactly every detail when taking a glance at them. Also I noticed that it's not really necessary to look at them as much as you think. Engine sound is a good hint for example. Not hard at all and you get used it very quickly.

 

This is a game but people look for immersion. Flying without technochat is fun and more immersive to me than navigating on map for example. Imo technochat is the most gamey feature in the game. It seems that TAW is going with technochat off next time. So, people just have to get used to it.

[VA_Gearhead]

Howdy. Usually have a ton of fun on your server but the other day I ran a mission and on the way to the objective I was shot down and killed by an enemy fighter. Nothing out of the normal except I got hit with a 20h respawn penalty. I thought it was 5 minutes?

 

Kind of sucked cause I was playing with a group and that meant that flight-night was over.

[todeskvlt]

6 minutes ago, GearheadXII-A said:

Howdy. Usually have a ton of fun on your server but the other day I ran a mission and on the way to the objective I was shot down and killed by an enemy fighter. Nothing out of the normal except I got hit with a 20h respawn penalty. I thought it was 5 minutes?

Kind of sucked cause I was playing with a group and that meant that flight-night was over.

 

 

You received a penalty because you have lost all of your lives

[SCG_Meka]

Super excited about no technochat on TAW! ?

[72AG_SerWolf]

59 минут назад, 666GIAP_Tumu сказал:

The Binomium  Hard  /  realistic i think is interesting.

 

 IRL , pilots no recibed tecnochat alerts. But IRL they see cockpit in 1:1 escale ( i never used VR ) but maybe is more easy check data on 1:1 word.  I think tecnochat helps on this point.

 

But the most interesting is the absolute absensce of sensations. For example G efects have the purposse of simulate it on some way... and its only capable on visual area for the player.(lost of vision to red or black )

 

Is interesting for me, because reading some pilot biography...  For example 

 

Once time, Andres Fierro  and 2 more members of giap, take off at same time ... they recibed a radio message,  enemy H111 inbound very high. Three pilots take off fast to intercept enemy... same plane, same loadout  but along the climbing... Andres fierro take huge distance to the rest... this wasnt a anecdotical situation... Fierro usually climb more fast than rest of squad members . The rest ask to him, how he can do allways it... Basically he replies, he have a eye on gauges and dials ... but he simply feel the engine ... simply listen to engine he know whate they need and manage to take max power.  That was interesting for me. Ok are gauges, are dials, are instructions etc, etc.... but at the end, best performance is obtained by pilot feeling and listening plane.

 

Fusion man/machine and ciborgs on ww2 

 

 

 

 

 

IRL pilots use one plane, and know this plane from A to Z

In this GAME i use at least ten types of planes

 

May be make some experiment? No technochat, 1 plane and 1 live at 1 campaign on TAW? All like in real life, super realistic. And no change plane during campaign. If you take 110, use it from begining to the end maximum upgrade when new type of 110 is coming

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Yeah and how are you going to enjoy the campaign if everyone circles at 9km? ?

[LLv24_Zami]

1 hour ago, 72AG_SerWolf said:

IRL pilots use one plane, and know this plane from A to Z

In this GAME i use at least ten types of planes

 

May be make some experiment? No technochat, 1 plane and 1 live at 1 campaign on TAW? All like in real life, super realistic. And no change plane during campaign. If you take 110, use it from begining to the end maximum upgrade when new type of 110 is coming

You don't trust much your learning capabilities obviously. 

 

If Taw launches your experiment, I'm in.

 

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

On 5/19/2020 at 10:16 PM, NoSmallDreams said:

Of course, the only way to properly fix the issue would be if the IL2 devs would remove the exploit

I would rate pilot exit as he was shot down and killed.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

4 hours ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Why can`t you use gauges to check what how the engine is running? Or the temperatures?

 

It`s not hard.

For a number of functions not having any sort of visual indication in game makes it harder for the players to know what they are doing compared to real life where with just moving the physical controls they could estimate the desired position. In game people will have to stare at the controls and lose situational awareness unnecesarily, and this isn't a red vs blue thing, planes from both sides suffer from it and there are some planes even that don't have useful indications like bomb selection or engine shutter controls.

In my opinion the tecnochat off option was kinda rushed without properly evaluating how it affected on a plane per plane basis. With just a fill up bar for the input controls and correcting the bomb/rocket selection mechanics in all the plane's cockpit it would have been ok, but it isn't the case in game currently.

[LLv24_Zami]

27 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

For a number of functions not having any sort of visual indication in game makes it harder for the players to know what they are doing compared to real life where with just moving the physical controls they could estimate the desired position. In game people will have to stare at the controls and lose situational awareness unnecesarily, and this isn't a red vs blue thing, planes from both sides suffer from it and there are some planes even that don't have useful indications like bomb selection or engine shutter controls.

In my opinion the tecnochat off option was kinda rushed without properly evaluating how it affected on a plane per plane basis. With just a fill up bar for the input controls and correcting the bomb/rocket selection mechanics in all the plane's cockpit it would have been ok, but it isn't the case in game currently.

Most planes have some kind of indication to its controls. And most of us use hotas controls, which are in muscle memory already. I can estimate what is happening by using it. No necessarily need to even look at the cockpit. If you push flap button in Yak, you know it`s down until you push it again. No need to see the lever or any technochat about it. I agree, this is not a blue vs red thing. It`s equally fun for everyone. 

 

There are some indications which could be included, like engine selection and few others. Minor issues which are not show stoppers but can be adjusted before next TAW.

Edited May 21, 2020 by LLv24_Zami

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

1 hour ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Yeah and how are you going to enjoy the campaign if everyone circles at 9km? ?

Why would everyone circle at 9km? 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

12 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

 If you push flap button in Yak, you know it`s down until you push it again.

Yak flaps aren't a good example though, you can easily feel it and that's a single push/pull control irl, so no problem not having info about it. I am talking things like radiator controls. Not everyone has physical axis for all of them. I have TWCS hotas but the only axis I have are throttle and rpm, the rest of the engine management is done via buttons and keyboard keys.

Edited May 21, 2020 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[LLv24_Zami]

1 minute ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Yak flaps aren't a good example though, you can easily feel it and that's a single push/pull control irl, so no problem not having info about it. I am talking things like radiator controls. Not everyone has physical axis for all of them. I have TWCS hotas but the only axis I have are throttle and rpm, the rest of the engine management is done via buttons and keyboard keys.

I have not physical axis to the radiator controls and had no problems.

 

I think the problem is that people wan`t to be 100% sure that they can push their aircraft absolutely maximum at all times. Well, now you have to questimate a bit more. Not much but a little. I think it`s quite real. And I`m sure in RL pilots situational awareness was distracted sometimes by operating their planes. 

 

Anyways, I`ll accept what ever TAW devs decide on this matter. Or any other server. I`m good either way even I favor techchat off.