Tactical Air War

[HandyNasty]

22 minutes ago, SV7_Vase said:

my qustions are

 

why random groups are different on blue and red? (postet a screeshot of a german randon group)

where did  3 Fab19 guys found over 40 light tanks in 2 hours?

does SdKfz count as a light tank or as a truck?

does the kill count has an effect on overall win situation?

 

- random units are same : 3 aaa's , 2 light tanks, some trucks, some katyusha's for the russians and some halftracks for the germans

- in game, when you destroy a german halftrack, it counts as a "light tank" in your in-game stats

- in TAW, when you destroy a german halftrack it does NOT count as a tank in the TAW statistics - which are the ones that matter

- russian random units have 5-6 katyusha's or so. I presume german random units have same amount of halftracks. --> Destroying one random german unit gives you therefore 7-8 "light tanks" in the in-game stats, but only 2 tanks in the TAW stats

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by =FSB=HandyNasty
added last point

[ITAF_Rani]

5 hours ago, Airshow_Flyer said:

ITAF_Rani i don't see an user called Germankill in your squadron lineup at your website, and i don't see Germankill in any other server like Wings of Liberty. Is he a new member or he has another nickname? What is his real nickname

Terminator

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

36 minutes ago, E69_Soec said:

 

 

 

I don't think I'm a fool, if blues lost a map and draw other by tanks limit and 2 reds can kill 20 tanks / 2h... well. I think it's a factor, at least, to be considered. But stop treating me as if I was complaining because my team lost TAW, I give a shit. I just mention what I consider would improve the experience, that's it.

 

 

Blues tied ONE map this way, and we tied because WE killed their tanks. It's the same on both sides... This is getting ridiculous..

 

Next episode find out german have defence positions that have TANKS  and its biased because russian kills them and we lose to tank attrition ? ? ? .

[SV7_Vase]

1 hour ago, =FSB=HandyNasty said:

 

- random units are same : 3 aaa's , 2 light tanks, some trucks, some katyusha's for the russians and some halftracks for the germans

- in game, when you destroy a german halftrack, it counts as a "light tank" in your in-game stats

- in TAW, when you destroy a german halftrack it does NOT count as a tank in the TAW statistics - which are the ones that matter

- russian random units have 5-6 katyusha's or so. I presume german random units have same amount of halftracks. --> Destroying one random german unit gives you therefore 7-8 "light tanks" in the in-game stats, but only 2 tanks in the TAW stats

 

sorry, cant see AAA there.. thx for other answers 

[Coldman]

this is your random defence?

random troops will trigger when enemy is close and will spawn aaa only after trigger

[WokeUpDead]

4 hours ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

I personally love the random units, and I think there should be a lot more of hidden objectives on the map. Such as important bridges, convoys,.. especially in the backlines ( or that most objectives are hidden and you must fly recon to spot them oh yesss).

 

Yes, agreed.

 

Question: to prevent the random units from messaging their side whenever you are near, do you need to destroy all the units in the group or just a specific unit?

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

13 hours ago, Airshow_Flyer said:

I want to report to administrators an intentional disconection by ITAF_Germankill. I find very bad a pilot uses this tricks to keep a streak and 0 deaths. He attacked me near Stalingrad Shkolniy aerodrome and when he lose his advantage i catch him and when he sees i'm about to shoot he disconects. Punish this actions please.

This is the track: http://www.mediafire.com/file/4625eunkhg1ya48/ITAF_Germankill_Disco.rar/file
Logfile: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=89055&name=ITAF_Germankill

I know ITAF is very respected people but i never heard of this Germankiller before. Shame on you.

[Quimbymouse]

10 hours ago, NoBigDreams said:

I like to play ground attack, and you often die in that role no matter how well you do it.

It's absolutely possible to fly ground attack and survive. You just need to think tactically and not dive in on a wing and a prayer. 

I took a break from TAW for awhile because I was a frustrated dedicated ground attacker who wanted to be a fighter pilot. Flew fighters on Virtual Pilots and had fun for a bit...but...being able to jump back into the cockpit again after death after death after death made me realize how much I enjoy TAW's life system. It forces you to think about things and not just rotate and wing it. It adds personal consequences to your actions, and a little bit of stress ? 

[=19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor]

 

[72AG_SerWolf]

19GvFAB, 72AG, =RedS= and SKV make a great job!

[=19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor]

17 часов назад, SV7_Vase сказал:

seem Fab19 attak only random group because there are often only light tanks in their sortie statistic..u dont neet skill for that kind of job

 

If you work on ground targets, the principle is: quickly dropped and fled, doing many quick races for one goal, then you can ignore the partisan groups.
But if you, how we work on targets (defensive positions, tanks in the field and on the road) for 5-10 minutes, and around these same positions are close to 1-2-3 groups of partisans who open fire on you with each combat turn then their destruction is mandatory. Not only do we work most often with the superiority of the blue side, but also the danger of being shot down by nearby partisans while working on a convoy of vehicles, tanks or defense - is not acceptable.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

6 hours ago, =19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor said:

 

 

Really nice operation...

Can I ask you how many attacker and how many fighter were involved in this?

And also which programme do you use for communicate (TS, discord, Srs, ecc...)

Thank you!

[=19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor]

1 час назад, ITAF_Airone1989 сказал:

 

Really nice operation...

Can I ask you how many attacker and how many fighter were involved in this?

And also which programme do you use for communicate (TS, discord, Srs, ecc...)

Thank you!

It was 10 ILs, 7 fighters, used two TS (19 and 72), and two signalmen, who coordinate all groups between teamspeak servers.

Edited May 13, 2020 by =19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor

[ITAF_Airone1989]

Thank you very much

[150_GIAP-Red_Dragon]

I should have landed in Kachalinskaya, but by mistake landed in Peskovatka. The landing was counted as DITCHED and the plane was lost. But the plane was absolutely serviceable, the engines were running, there was only minor damage from anti-aircraft guns and I could easily get to Kachalinskaya if I knew about the error. Is it possible to change the settings so that such planes are not lost? I have to get the plane back after a while, that's right, but landing on a nearby friendly airfield is not a loss of the plane, as if it were shot down?

 

 

[FeuerFliegen]

11 hours ago, WokeUpBlue said:

 

Question: to prevent the random units from messaging their side whenever you are near, do you need to destroy all the units in the group or just a specific unit?

 

 

I've heard people debate whether or not the notifications still come even after you destroy all of the units, as the notification might be a separate task written into the mission editor, and has nothing to do with the units that happen to be there.  Hopefully this is not the case though.

 

 

[72AG_Battler_]

On 12.05.2020 at 16:17, SV7_Vase said:

Кажется, Fab19 атакует только случайную группу, потому что в их статистике выслеживания часто бывают только легкие танки .. у вас нет навыков для такой работы

Just believe ... There are skills))

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

14 minutes ago, 19FAB_Battler said:

Just believe ... There are skills))

Spoken from the Russian Hans-Ulrich Rudel. 1799 ground kills, 267 tanks destroyed. You won half a map on your own, wp. 

 

    

[E69_Soec]

4 hours ago, =19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor said:

It was 10 ILs, 7 fighters, used two TS (19 and 72), and two signalmen, who coordinate all groups between teamspeak servers.

I was there and I can say that the map icon shown up to 26 reds attacking the AF. I guess that many random reds joined the formation.

 

Beautiful to see, pity that there were no big squads in the blue to organize some kind of defence and make it even more epic.

Congrats!

 

[72AG_Battler_]

1 hour ago, E69_Soec said:

Я был там, и я могу сказать, что значок карты показал до 26 красных атакующих AF. Я предполагаю, что много случайных красных присоединилось к формированию.

 

 

More accurate composition: 12 IL-2 and 12 fighters. Four squads: 72AG, 19GvFAB, Skv and - = RedS = -...All from organized squads. No random

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

I joined the party , NOVO airfield

[72AG_Battler_]

2 hours ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

Говорят от русских Ганс-Ульрих Рудель. 1799 наземных убийств, 267 танков уничтожено. Вы выиграли половину карты самостоятельно, wp. 

I do not deny that I am destroying partisans ... Since while you are walking without covering fighters to tanks or a steam train, you meet a bunch of separate detachments, sometimes there are just a lot of them and there’s nothing left to do but spend time on them.

 

59 minutes ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

Я вступил в партию, аэродром НОВО

 

Sorry did not notice in TS

[LLv24_Veccu_VR]

6 hours ago, =19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor said:

It was 10 ILs, 7 fighters, used two TS (19 and 72), and two signalmen, who coordinate all groups between teamspeak servers.

 

Very well done!!

This is how it has to be done...

 

-Veccu-

[72AG_SerWolf]

3 часа назад, =FSB=Man-Yac сказал:

Spoken from the Russian Hans-Ulrich Rudel. 1799 ground kills, 267 tanks destroyed. You won half a map on your own, wp. 

 

    

Let's see how much flyes have Battler? 277 sorties, 103 hours. 

So his scores is a great skills, and big work.

[CisTerLordWukits]

On 5/12/2020 at 11:54 AM, E69_Soec said:

I don't know... I've also found a Pe2 and one A20 disco when I was intercepting them... but that's not common, it's quite rare and in any case I stopped their attack to the depots so it's fine. I don't think TAW can do much more with that issue. Like chute killing, is something that you only notice in the rival team.

 

However, I think that using 'exploits' of the rules can be avoided. I plan a coordinated attack to destroy an enemy tank column protected by huge AAA and red fighters to kill the same tanks as 2 IL2 alone far in the front, with ridiculous AAA, attacking indefensible front random troops. Now I understand the results. Anyway, the main issue is, who will care about main targets then? It's all about killing the tanks in the random positions, then you can just 99% win or draw the map.

 

I don't know, but imho, those tanks shouldn't count in the tanks limit, this will focus people into the real TAW targets. If we were in a full server all the time could be different. And I'm not saying this because I'm flying blue (I flew it and I'll fly red next), I don't care about winning or losing the taw, I care about making it more interesting and avoiding weird scenarios like killing your own tanks or exploiting gaps in the rules. Of course it's fair, of course I can do it too, but I don't think this is the objective here.

 

 

That may have been our group. We have a member who is in a rural area and uses a wireless tower for the internets, and with the covid, everyone in the area uses it too. We bomb, and he is often disconnected just before bomb drop or while on the final leg to drop. I always continue, but that means I'm often defenseless. It happens about 40% of the time and frustrates the hell outta him too. Most of the time he gets the 10009 error.  Hes a great pilot, and keeps trying.

[SV7_Vase]

20 hours ago, SV7_Vase said:

sorry, cant see AAA there.. thx for other answers 

@=LG=Coldmanovich

 

nobody of LG guys gave a answer about my question.

 

what kind of group is this?

[Coldman]

4 minutes ago, SV7_Vase said:

@=LG=Coldmanovich

 

nobody of LG guys gave a answer about my question.

 

what kind of group is this?

I answered your question check better.

[72AG_Britva_]

6 hours ago, E69_Soec said:

Я был там, и я могу сказать, что значок карты показал до 26 красных атакующих AF. Я предполагаю, что много случайных красных присоединилось к формированию.

 

Прекрасно видеть, жаль, что не было больших отрядов в синеве, чтобы организовать какую-то защиту и сделать ее еще более эпичной.

Congrats!

Blue came, but it's already over and we left

[AKA_Relent]

3 hours ago, SV7_Vase said:

@=LG=Coldmanovich

 

nobody of LG guys gave a answer about my question.

 

what kind of group is this?

 

3 hours ago, =LG=Coldmanovich said:

I answered your question check better.

As he said, he did answer, you need to go through the posts a little more thoroughly

 

 

So basically looking at random troops “on your side” will be without AAA units, but they will spawn in the enemy random troops once you get close enough, and you’ll know as they’ll be shooting at you lol ?.

Edited May 13, 2020 by AKA_Relent

[HR_Tofolo]

On 5/12/2020 at 5:54 PM, E69_Soec said:

I don't know... I've also found a Pe2 and one A20 disco when I was intercepting them... but that's not common, it's quite rare and in any case I stopped their attack to the depots so it's fine. I don't think TAW can do much more with that issue. Like chute killing, is something that you only notice in the rival team.

 

This case with ITAF_Germankill is not casual or coincidence, administrators from a server can ban or punish someone proven to be disconecting intentionally as you can see in the track attached by this guy @Airshow_Flyer.

 

Check his statistics, he wants to stay in top 5 and have 0 deaths, pulling the internet cord when in danger is his magic trick to accomplish this.

[E69_Soec]

1 hour ago, HR_Tofolo said:

 

This case with ITAF_Germankill is not casual or coincidence, administrators from a server can ban or punish someone proven to be disconecting intentionally as you can see in the track attached by this guy @Airshow_Flyer.

 

Check his statistics, he wants to stay in top 5 and have 0 deaths, pulling the internet cord when in danger is his magic trick to accomplish this.

I don't say this is casual. I'll be happy if it's banned. I just say that maybe this isn't the only one doing it, I've found myself a couple of bombers doing it. I intercepted like 8 this taw, and 2 did it xD

[=LG/F=Kathon]

On 5/13/2020 at 12:30 AM, WokeUpBlue said:

Question: to prevent the random units from messaging their side whenever you are near, do you need to destroy all the units in the group or just a specific unit?

As far as I remember they always show messages even after destruction. There was a problem with it because most of the units are simple static trucks and they can't be connect to any logic. Tanks were introduced some time ago in random units so maybe after destroying particular tank they will not show messages. I added it to "to-do' list. 

 

 

On 5/13/2020 at 11:20 AM, Red_Pilot said:

I should have landed in Kachalinskaya, but by mistake landed in Peskovatka. The landing was counted as DITCHED and the plane was lost. But the plane was absolutely serviceable, the engines were running, there was only minor damage from anti-aircraft guns and I could easily get to Kachalinskaya if I knew about the error. Is it possible to change the settings so that such planes are not lost? I have to get the plane back after a while, that's right, but landing on a nearby friendly airfield is not a loss of the plane, as if it were shot down?

 

 

If your aircraft hadn't been lost for some time it would be pointless to land on the particular airfields. You could land on any airfield on the map.   

 

 

Regarding Germankill I will check his logs, track and decide what to do.

Edited May 14, 2020 by =LG=Kathon

[150_GIAP-Red_Dragon]

14 минут назад, =LG=Kathon сказал:

 

If your aircraft hadn't been lost for some time it would be pointless to land on the particular airfields. You could land on any airfield on the map.   

 

I absolutely agree! I was ready to wait for the resumption of this aircraft even for a week, but the total account of the Allied aircraft undeservedly decreased by 1. My opinion, it is not very correct to consider landing at a friendly airfield  and the workable plane lost for the Allied side.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Red_Pilot

[=LG/F=Kathon]

1 hour ago, Red_Pilot said:

I absolutely agree! I was ready to wait for the resumption of this aircraft even for a week, but the total account of the Allied aircraft undeservedly decreased by 1. My opinion, it is not very correct to consider landing at a friendly airfield  and the workable plane lost for the Allied side.

What makes you think that the total account of the Allied aircraft is decreased by 1 in that case? Did you check it?

 

If you ditch and you are still alive then total aircraft is not decreased by 1.

[150_GIAP-Red_Dragon]

7 минут назад, =LG=Kathon сказал:

What makes you think that the total account of the Allied aircraft is decreased by 1 in that case? Did you check it?

 

If you ditch and you are still alive then total aircraft is not decreased by 1.

 

I saw in my account 

Aircrafts lost

1

I thought it goes to the total

[ITAF_Rani]

8 hours ago, =LG=Kathon said:

Regarding Germankill I will check his logs, track and decide what to do

Hi Kathon check all that you want, but  I' m sure Germankill ' s disconnections are not caused by his intention.

Me also happened to disconnect several times caused by bad internet connection.

ITAF respect the rules of TAW and fairplay gaming.

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by ITAF_Rani

[=LG/F=Kathon]

7 hours ago, Red_Pilot said:

 

I saw in my account 

Aircrafts lost

1

I thought it goes to the total

I will check it.

 

17 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Hi Kathon check all that you want, but  I' m sure Germankill ' s disconnections are not caused by his intention.

Me also happened to disconnect several times caused by bad internet connection.

ITAF respect the rules of TAW and fairplay gaming.

 

 

His first two PILOT EXIT were when he had 6. Next three were during the same mission minutes after spawning or taking off. 

Mission #455 - having 6

Mission #487 - having 6

Mission #487 - just after spawning (not visible on the sortie list - hmmm nobody would see it) 

Mission #487 - just after take off

Mission #487 - just after take off

 

I would understand if he had many PILOT EXIT and once was when he had 6. But here it looks like he intentionally disconnected a few times to show internet problems. 

 

We decided to ground him for 3 days and remove from TOP5 pilots. 

 

[HR_Tofolo]

I'm afraid grounding him won't prevent this guy from joining, since we've been told (100% confirmed) that this nick is one of the accounts from Anaconda Tiesa. He has three different accounts flying blue on this edition:
- http://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=XDXD (He changed his name 4 times -at least- with this account: Osezno, porter, Pretorian32 and xdxd)

- http://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name==TY=anaconda_gruesa (he changed his name 3 times at least: Sony, an offensife nick, and this last one)

- ITAF_Germankill (which is now removed from the stats).

 

On top of the multiple accounts, there's the disco's and the constant insults towards some red piltos. It's a very sad behaviour, let's hope we don't have to stand such toxic elements anymore.

 

Thanks Kathon.

 

 

 

[HR_Tumu]

Well done

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by 666GIAP_Tumu

[FTC_Prancing]

Wait a second, wasnt him the guy calling himself a professional virtual pilot or something? Ahahah