Tactical Air War

[Willy__]

Whatever man, who cares 

 

As long as you get pissed its fine by me.

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

28 minutes ago, Staiger said:

Whatever man, who cares 

 

As long as you get pissed its fine by me.

 

That's the spirit.

[Cpt_Siddy]

On 8/3/2018 at 6:13 PM, StG77_Kondor said:

It's a video game mate. [edited]

 

Sarcasm --->

 

 

 

>you

Edited March 9, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin

[Blackhawk_FR]

8 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

And of course all talk of e-honor and sportsmanship stops when it's 50 Axis vs. 20 VVS.

 

Overall axis was may be stronger in number than vvs team. 

But severals times vvs ounumbered the axis team also. I've already saw 15-20 vs 3-5 during a whole map so...

[Cpt_Siddy]

6 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

 

Overall axis was may be stronger in number than vvs team. 

But severals times vvs ounumbered the axis team also. I've already saw 15-20 vs 3-5 during a whole map so...

 

>Overall, the school bully beat up the nerd kid, stole his lunch money and locked him in to his locker but SOMETIMES the nerd kid bit back, so its ok...

Edited March 9, 2018 by Cpt_Siddy
asd

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

So now the bully is crying that the nerd kid shot his chutes, sweet lord Jesus. What a funny discussion. 

 

Still, it's best for the reds to always go for the chutes asap. I have seen two Luftie Hartmanns dying, deleting their Streak, and they logged off for several days afterwards. 

 

 

P.S. I think it's bad that shooting the chute isn't always documented. Approximately half of those I have shot and ripped, didn't appear in the statistics. I guess going for the pilot instead of the chute next time is advisable.

P.P.S. Siddy, with the right settings in VR it's no problem to hit the pilot, you'll need the proper VR zoom setting, comparable to the 2D plebs' zoom. Check out lefuneste's 3dmigoto fix in the VR section of the forums for instructions.

[A_radek]

4 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

But severals times vvs ounumbered the axis team also. I've already saw 15-20 vs 3-5 during a whole map so..

Faucon those odds are a piss in the sea. They don't make any difference and not many on red would  be complaining if we had those numbers. It's the 20-60 situations that ruin it. And even then it can be fun flying against those odds, you pick a fighter and adapt your tactics. The problem arises when it's like that every time you log on. Then, you dont get to adapt your tactics, fly a bomber/attack aircraft or go offensive. It's monotonous and you blame the stackers for ruining the game night after night.

[FTC_DerSheriff]

 

[Cpt_Siddy]

TrackIR users be like 

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2018 by Cpt_Siddy
asd

[FTC_Knipser]

Nice compilation Sheriff! Great display of your flying and shooting skills. Some really good kills there man!
Quite a lot of easy prey though, many of your victims have absolutly no f*#kin' clue that you are closing in behind them. It shows perfectly how horribly unobservant many of the blue fighter pilots are.  Flying for the blue side, it hardly ever happens that i catch a red pilot like this on TAW! Most of you red fighters are just way more alert to surrounding threads.
It's no wonder that we lose so many maps because of attrition...

Edited March 11, 2018 by [I./JG62]Knipser

[JG7_X-Man]

I have been wondering why so many new players fly GERMAN - I wonder if it has to do with the easier engine management of German aircraft on full real servers? The fact is the Bf 109 and Fw 190s are easier to fly that Spits, LaGGs and Yaks with there management of Prop Pitch/Mixture/Super Charger/Radiator is just too much to learn. Unless you are highly motivated to do so.

I know in TAW I had to get my act together and became more concerned with bring my aircraft home  However, this draw back is newbies will flock to the Luftwaffe side and waste valuable aircraft because the only barrier to entry is basically entering your name on a  website. I am not saying I am not in the newbie class either (...my stats speak for itself, even though I have EAW and IL-2, IL-2 AEP and IL-2 FB under my belt). 

I guess the big question is how do we not penalize the German team for being the side newbies flock to and at the same time not give them an unfair advantage.

 

This is just an hypotheses so don't jump down my neck LOL - discuss.

[Cpt_Siddy]

10 minutes ago, JG7_X_Man said:

I have been wondering why so many new players fly GERMAN - I wonder if it has to do with the easier engine management of German aircraft on full real servers? The fact is the Bf 109 and Fw 190s are easier to fly that Spits, LaGGs and Yaks with there management of Prop Pitch/Mixture/Super Charger/Radiator is just too much to learn. Unless you are highly motivated to do so.

I know in TAW I had to get my act together and became more concerned with bring my aircraft home  However, this draw back is newbies will flock to the Luftwaffe side and waste valuable aircraft because the only barrier to entry is basically entering your name on a  website. I am not saying I am not in the newbie class either (...my stats speak for itself, even though I have EAW and IL-2, IL-2 AEP and IL-2 FB under my belt). 

I guess the big question is how do we not penalize the German team for being the side newbies flock to and at the same time not give them an unfair advantage.

 

This is just an hypotheses so don't jump down my neck LOL - discuss.

 

 

You described an issue that is indeed a part contributing to the plane count. I can personally say that when i started on IL-2, i started on Germans purely because it was less of a hassle and German planes had this legendary aura about them. The legendary 109 and 190, what could possibly go wrong? Instant ace, for sure! 

 

Then i got my arse handed to me by Yak's in most embarrassing fashion. So much so i was tempted to go whine on forums. But before i screamed "bias", i tried out red side and WOAH.

Flying reds was hard, but in the end, rewarding. Properly managed red plane could be made to preform almost as well as German plane but it still was not superior. After 3 TAW rounds purely on reds, jumping in German fighter makes me feel like i am flying a super plane, because i know how to fly the planes i go against, i know their limitations better. Despite what anyone have cried on the forums, only the Yak-1b and LA-5F comes even close to the performance of 109 or 190. And even then that holds true at sub 5km altitudes. Spit can offer some trouble for 109 above 5km but it is considerably slower in normal flight. 

 

Moral of the story was, if you are getting hammered by the technically inferior planes in your German super mount, issue is most likely with you and not the game :--D

 

[-SF-Disarray]

The funny thing is it isn't that hard to learn the various settings for the various Red side planes. Many of them use the same engines, and so the same settings, or engines that are set up in a similar way, so again similar settings. The one that I'd say is the most difficult to manage is the P-40, and that only because the engine changes manifold pressure with altitude. Every other plane in the game for the Red side is basically set and forget unless you are trying to get ten tenths of performance out of it. I guess it is a bit more complex than the 109's 'push the throttle froward until you go fast,' but it isn't rocket science. Hell, most of the settings can be done on the ground before taxi, so there isn't even that much multitasking required.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

2 hours ago, JG7_X_Man said:

I have been wondering why so many new players fly GERMAN - I wonder if it has to do with the easier engine management of German aircraft on full real servers? The fact is the Bf 109 and Fw 190s are easier to fly that Spits, LaGGs and Yaks with there management of Prop Pitch/Mixture/Super Charger/Radiator is just too much to learn. Unless you are highly motivated to do so.

It's not just a matter of learning; manual engine control is always difficult without sophisticated hardware. Remember that the typical Il-2 player only uses a simple joystick. Finger on the trigger, thumb on the POV hat. The other hand adjusts the throttle. 

 

These players must let go of something to reach for the keyboard whenever they change propeller pitch or radiator settings. It's easy to panic when an overheat warning appears in the heat of battle. Should you focus on the fight, or let go of the throttle to adjust the radiator?

 

Therefore, Luftwaffe aircraft are usually more comfortable because all important controls can be mapped to a simple joystick.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[Cpt_Siddy]

2 hours ago, Disarray said:

The funny thing is it isn't that hard to learn the various settings for the various Red side planes. Many of them use the same engines, and so the same settings, or engines that are set up in a similar way, so again similar settings. The one that I'd say is the most difficult to manage is the P-40, and that only because the engine changes manifold pressure with altitude. Every other plane in the game for the Red side is basically set and forget unless you are trying to get ten tenths of performance out of it. I guess it is a bit more complex than the 109's 'push the throttle froward until you go fast,' but it isn't rocket science. Hell, most of the settings can be done on the ground before taxi, so there isn't even that much multitasking required.

 

It all seems simple until you have to apply that in combat. 

[LeFrenchCat]

So many accusations of chute killing....

It would be easy to just pop a replay video with the shooters name, instead of collectively calling a side "chute killing".

I've see some people trying to chute kill from both side. that does not mean everyone does it. If you have a problem with it, just post the screens with the name and they'll live in infamy. Or just carry on and enjoy the game.

 

[FTC_DerSheriff]

11 hours ago, [I./JG62]Knipser said:

Nice compilation Sheriff! Great display of your flying and shooting skills. Some really good kills there man!
Quite a lot of easy prey though, many of your victims have absolutly no f*#kin' clue that you are closing in behind them. It shows perfectly how horribly unobservant many of the blue fighter pilots are.  Flying for the blue side, it hardly ever happens that i catch a red pilot like this on TAW! Most of you red fighters are just way more alert to surrounding threads.
It's no wonder that we lose so many maps because of attrition...

Thank you! Yes a lot of easy kills. that is true. And since we have that topic going right now let me elaborate a bit. 

I even left many kills out since I had way more "boring" low six 109 kills. To their credit, the six and especially the low six of a 109 is a weak spot which is easy to exploit. However there were plenty of 190s which dont have that excuse.
Furthermore there is rarely a team of 3-4 german fighter pilots working together in a cohesive team. As soon as you meet those, u have no chance anymore. Those guys just let one 109/190 attack, you have to evade and in the mean time the rest of the 109s are working at their energy state. And as soon as they have that advantage the altitude doesn't matter anymore. They just hammer you down until you are out of energy. That's the reason you need to have a exit plan at all times. A route were you can egress to in a reasonable amount of time. 
Even the Yak-1b and La-5(F) can only fight 109s in a similar energy state in a some what equal fight. And even there 190 and 109 possess abilities which are still much better than both.

As soon as you have a smart 109 on your six closing in its a fight for your life. Pilots who fly only german aicraft can't imagine that. The pressure is on you all the time. Your job is to survive long enough to egress, seek help or to wait for a mistake. Especially scary are 190s. While they aren't known for turning.. they can turn into you in a wide speed range. While they use a lot of energy in those turns, that doesn't help you in that moment where you have to evade that insane turn. Furhtermore the 190s are faster on the deck than than the yak1b and La5 while you can outrun 109s. So they can hunt you down what ever you do.

The biggest weapon of russian fighter pilots is that many german fighter pilots have no clue what the reds can do, and what not. I highly recommend to get started in red fighters at some point. You will feel like a super hero in 109 after one campaign in red fighters.  

[FTC_Knipser]

29 minutes ago, DerSheriff said:

The biggest weapon of russian fighter pilots is that many german fighter pilots have no clue what the reds can do, and what not.

That sums it up perfectly! Seen it happening through the last TAW's.

[=FEW=N3cRoo]

10 hours ago, JG7_X_Man said:

I have been wondering why so many new players fly GERMAN - I wonder if it has to do with the easier engine management of German aircraft on full real servers? The fact is the Bf 109 and Fw 190s are easier to fly that Spits, LaGGs and Yaks with there management of Prop Pitch/Mixture/Super Charger/Radiator is just too much to learn. Unless you are highly motivated to do so.

 

If you can manage an E7 you can manage pretty much any VVS plane other than the P-40 with its glorious allison.

 

What you are completely missing is when it comes to actual flying and dogfighting ... thats where the 109 is a total bitch and you fight as much with your own plane as you fight with the enemy due to lockup torqueroll and loss of rudder authority.

Also in terms of TAW its really comfortable for longer flights to not sideslip like a mong all day when you get actual ruddertrim in pretty much any fighter other than the yak.

The only active managing you do while fighting as VVS is Rads and supercharger. The rest you slam full Fwd once the fight begins, mby set the mixture back to 90-95% if you arent in a mikulin that has automixture at 50%.

 

Lets be real nobody joins the VVS bec it has a sexy reputation, its acquired interest not primary/initial.

Edited March 11, 2018 by =FEW=N3croo

[Cpt_Siddy]

Its Michoyan, not mikulin.

[=FEW=N3cRoo]

I'm refering to the engine in the Michoyan and Ilyushin

[Cpt_Siddy]

ah, ok

[JG7_X-Man]

Wow! This is very interesting and very insightful! The comments for you guys with aces status talking about what you in counter in TAW - really helpful in getting food for thought. I think Mitthrawnuruodo made a very good point! If you don't have a HOTAS, flying Luftwaffe is your best bet and then in combat this makes you even more a target for obvious reasons.

I wonder what would happen if the next TAW could have 2 servers - 1 for training and you have to pass an "Engine Management /Combat Course" to enroll into the main TAW game server after passing EMC 101 so to speak? LOL

 

What would be a dream is for the guys top 100 with highest KD ratio with the highest AKs or GKs can choose to become instructors on this training server (YES TOPGUN like in Nellis and Lipetsk). Looking at these stats - freakin' very impressive (...we know who you are Mitthrawnuruodo virtual widow maker you - don't hide LOL).

 

Good conversation guys!

 

The second issue is the lack of a Lisunov Li-2 - which should be on developers radar. I would have though the Ju-52 and the IL-2 would have been introduced together. That's just me spit balling.

 

 

[Cpt_Siddy]

High KD is not as important as objectives. Pilots that cover and manage to bring attackers and bomber home are far more important than statwhoring hartmans that will run the second it feels like their streaks are in danger. 

[JG7_X-Man]

2 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

High KD is not as important as objectives. Pilots that cover and manage to bring attackers and bomber home are far more important than statwhoring hartmans that will run the second it feels like their streaks are in danger. 

 I agree - however consider what a high KD inclusive of a high AK and GK tell us about a pilot?

[Cpt_Siddy]

1 minute ago, JG7_X_Man said:

 I agree - however consider what a high KD inclusive of a high AK and GK tell us about a pilot?

 

That he is probably unemployed or a student? 

[JG7_X-Man]

26 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

That he is probably unemployed or a student? 

 

Ouch! That's stereotyping - and we all know those assumptions are usually wrong. I think it says they have a very good ability to get the job of completing the mission and bringing the aircraft home (from a fighter perspective at least). From a bomber perspective though we could look at GK vs Deaths as a good stat.

 

Well not really because the He 111 payload is more than the Pe-2 (which more like the Ju 88 in terms of max bomb load), on average the Luftwaffe bomber pilot will take out more ground targets than a VVS bomber pilot on a single sortie. So I think the IL-4/IL-6 is more comparable and so should be added to this game in addition to the Li-2.

Edited March 11, 2018 by JG7_X_Man

[Norz]

2  =LG=Kathon,

 

can you share the statistics for the every map in the last campaign?

 

Flight time for the teams,

 

lost planes by the enemy fire (AAA, humans) for the teams

lost planes by the human failure (ditched or killed without any damage from AAA or the enemy) for the teams.

 

lost by AAA for the teams

 

If you want i can analyse the data myself and send you the results. But for that i need raw data

 

 

[Cpt_Siddy]

On 3/11/2018 at 6:06 PM, JG7_X_Man said:

 

Ouch! That's stereotyping - and we all know those assumptions are usually wrong. 

 

 

Maybe, but there is only 24 hours in a day, and having both needs time. 

 

There is usually sharp distinction of people who mainly fly attackers and people mainly fly fighters. Even among active players. 

[JG7_X-Man]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Maybe, but there is only 24 hours in a day, and having both needs time. 

 

There is usually sharp distinction of people who mainly fly attackers and people mainly fly fighters. Even among active players. 

 

OK I will give that Hahah! The server idea maybe too much for a game. Besides there is plenty of information how to fly multiplayer online - watched a good one from Bismark (sp)

[Carl_infar]

Most probably tomorrow we will get the 3.001 patch, so when will the next campaign start? 

If I remember right Katon wrote that it depend on the release of the patch.

[Cpt_Siddy]

22 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

Most probably tomorrow we will get the 3.001 patch, so when will the next campaign start? 

If I remember right Katon wrote that it depend on the release of the patch.

 

As soon it is confirmed nothing is conflicting +"Katon time" is my guess.  

[Blackhawk_FR]

34 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

Most probably tomorrow we will get the 3.001 patch

 

That would be great but, why tomorrow?

[FTC_Etherlight]

Because it was announced?

[Carl_infar]

Black 6 announced it in announcement section of forum

[Cpt_Siddy]

now i have to put myself in medical induced coma for 18 hours. 

[Leutnant_Artur]

Not so fast guys. Patch will change lot of things and we need to implement this changes to campaign. We will announce camp. start when we''ll be ready.

[Blackhawk_FR]

1 hour ago, Etherlight said:

Because it was announced?

 

 

Didnt saw the announcement 

[HR_Eldamar]

On 11/3/2018 at 1:03 PM, DerSheriff said:

The biggest weapon of russian fighter pilots is that many german fighter pilots have no clue what the reds can do, and what not. I highly recommend to get started in red fighters at some point. You will feel like a super hero in 109 after one campaign in red fighters.  

hahahaha shsss do not say that, enough pressure already

[JaffaCake]

On 11/03/2018 at 4:50 AM, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

You described an issue that is indeed a part contributing to the plane count. I can personally say that when i started on IL-2, i started on Germans purely because it was less of a hassle and German planes had this legendary aura about them. The legendary 109 and 190, what could possibly go wrong? Instant ace, for sure! 

 

Then i got my arse handed to me by Yak's in most embarrassing fashion. So much so i was tempted to go whine on forums. But before i screamed "bias", i tried out red side and WOAH.

Flying reds was hard, but in the end, rewarding. Properly managed red plane could be made to preform almost as well as German plane but it still was not superior. After 3 TAW rounds purely on reds, jumping in German fighter makes me feel like i am flying a super plane, because i know how to fly the planes i go against, i know their limitations better. Despite what anyone have cried on the forums, only the Yak-1b and LA-5F comes even close to the performance of 109 or 190. And even then that holds true at sub 5km altitudes. Spit can offer some trouble for 109 above 5km but it is considerably slower in normal flight. 

 

Moral of the story was, if you are getting hammered by the technically inferior planes in your German super mount, issue is most likely with you and not the game :--D

 

 

 

I don't see how flying red is hard - you have technochat for all possible errors you could be making... Wrong mixture? Heres a handy warning to tell you about it! Engine overheating? Don't need to watch the dials - technochat is here to save the day. Set some weird RPM/Throttle settings? technochat will tell you what mode you are flying in, so you don't burn your engine by doing emergency by accident!

 

Literally the only difference between flying LW and VVS is that on the VVS side you need to have a few more buttons mapped and be able to respond to technochat warnings. Oh and I guess change supercharger gear when you pass 2.5km alt. I can see how it could be daunting for a complete new player - but those generally stay in single player.

Edited March 15, 2018 by JaffaCake