Tactical Air War

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

13 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

I'm one who was totally against shooting chutes but when you fly 50vs20 I started shooting down all pilots in their chutes in order to slow down their respawn and stacking. I'm not proud of it but when you are flying against stackers, the situation becomes desperate and you do what you have to in order to help your team.

 

I do not know if you have read books about WWII, but your phrase type of justification is similar to the justification given by many soldiers of the SS corps and many Russian officers who were on the fronts of Russia. Everything is to win the war, or I just obeyed orders.

 

Regards

Edited March 5, 2018 by 1/JSpan_Guerrero

[HR_Eldamar]

First of all, thanks for the campaign, it is without a doubt the best one at this moment.

The truth is that I do not understand very well because you assume that the cause of losing maps is having more players, it seems to me a very elaborate explanation.
Premises like that in the blues there are more novices, or that the blues make more suicide attacks, where did you get that data?
I have seen flying blue and red alone, attacking blue and red without coverage, I have seen coordinated flights of both blue and red.
the theme of the parachute is eternal and a ridiculous excuse, in both teams there are pilots who do it, like it or not, like vulchear or shoot a plane downed
The subject of the whining we leave for another time, have fallen as many blue tears as red or even more.
The red team has simply played their cards and won.
In the next time there will be changes and everyone will play with the cards they give him.

[FTC_Etherlight]

2 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

 

I do not know if you have read books about WWII, but your phrase type of justification is similar to the justification given by many soldiers of the SS corps and many Russian officers who were on the fronts of Russia. Everything is to win the war, or I just obeyed orders.

 

Regards

 

Yeah, one has to give it to the fuckers, they were highly competitive. I also think they went a little far to win a video ga....Oh...Oh!!! We're comparing competitiveness inside the rules of a video game server to real life warcrimes now. I almost didn't notice.

Well, Riksen, your stance on a video game is dangerously close to that of Nazis and Soviet officers, you wanna go for the Red Star or the SS Skull on your cap? Your choice. I'd go for the red star, red compliments your teint and is the hottest shit in spring fashion I've been told.

[ROSS_BW_Kuznechik]

We called nobody to ourselves in 1941. These are not the Olympic Games and not tourism.

P.C. Personally I against it.

[StG77_Kondor]

People have gone full 'kommissarbefehl'. 
Never go full kommissarbefehl. 

Kathon, we need stats so we can get back to our 61-k is OP special programming. 

[Avtomat]

1 hour ago, Etherlight said:

Yeah, one has to give it to the fuckers, they were highly competitive. I also think they went a little far to win a video ga....Oh...Oh!!! We're comparing competitiveness inside the rules of a video game server to real life warcrimes now. I almost didn't notice.

 

This is brilliant. Dismissing virtual war crimes as merely competitive behaviour required to win the virtual war. It's not a real war crime, they're only slavs pixels afterall.

 

4 hours ago, SCG_Riksen said:

I'm one who was totally against shooting chutes but when you fly 50vs20 I started shooting down all pilots in their chutes in order to slow down their respawn and stacking. I'm not proud of it but when you are flying against stackers, the situation becomes desperate and you do what you have to in order to help your team.

Let's give this a tiny bit of rephrasing
I'm one who was totally against shooting at Ivans in parachutes, but when we flew outnumbered 4-1 I started shooting down all pilots in their chutes in order to ease the tension on my kameraden for the coming days. I'm not proud of this, but when you are flying against hordes of sowjet jagdfliegers, the situation becomes desperate and you do what you have to in order to ease the pressure on your comrades.

I take tremendous pleasure in seeing how quickly an aircraft simulator campaing with no real reprecussions for """war crimes""" sinks even below the level of the real eastern front.
Truly fantastic.

[-SF-Disarray]

So what do you propose be done about it then? Shall we establish a virtual Nuremberg so we can put on a virtual trial for 'virtual war crimes;' what ever the hell that means? Shall we virtually hang the virtually convicted? I hope you can see how silly this has become. Instead of bickering over this ultimately pointless matter why not focus on things that can actually result in a better experience? Player balance comes to mind. Or how about distribution of ground assets? Or literally anything else.

[Ala13_Zetas]

Hi guys!

 

Well,  first of all, I want to say thanks to the people behind all this, that make TAW possible. For me the best multiplayer server.

Cant wait for the next  campain! and also Im going to leave a video I hope you enjoy 

 

 

 

[FTC_Riksen]

Lol damn I became a war criminal all of the sudden because of a video game 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

LOL. 

 

I need to start participating in TAW. This spectacle is too good. 

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

Everyone knows chute shooting is soooo two tours ago.

 

This is where its at now:

 

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/188796588

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Ofc chute shooting in video game doesn't make you a war criminal. However it does make you an asshole.

[Antiguo]

Gracias por el gran trabajo, una campaña muy interesante y muy emocionante.

 

La solución a los asesinatos de paracaidistas es muy simple, prohibirlo.
He volado muchas campañas en el antiguo IL2 -1946 (SEOW, Danger Zone, FIOB ......), y en la mayoría estaba prohibido disparar a los paracaidistas.

No encuentro la necesidad de dispararle a un piloto indefenso.

 

 

La próxima campaña, dejamos el HE111 y el JU88 en el hangar,... volvemos a volar el PE2, el IL2, el Yak ..., es hora de defender al lado ruso.

Saludos

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the great job, a very interesting and very exciting campaign.

 

The solution to the murders of paratroopers is very simple, to prohibit it.
I have flown many campaigns in the old IL2 -1946 (SEOW, Danger Zone, FIOB ......), and in most it was forbidden to shoot the paratroopers.

I do not find the need to shoot a helpless pilot.

 

 

The next campaign, we leave the HE111 and the JU88 in the hangar, ... we fly again the PE2, the IL2, the Yak ..., it's time to defend the Russian side.

regards

Edited March 6, 2018 by Ala13_Antiguo

[HR_Eldamar]

3 minutes ago, Ala13_Antiguo said:

Thanks for the great job, a very interesting campaign, and very exciting.

 

The solution to the murders of paratroopers is very simple, prohibit it.
I have flown many campaigns in the old IL2 -1946 (SEOW, Danger Zone, FIOB ......), and in the majority it was forbidden to shoot the paratroopers.

I do not find the need to shoot a helpless pilot.

 

 

Next campaign, we leave the HE111 and the JU88 in the hangar, we fly again the PE2 the IL2 the Yak ..., it's time to defend the Russian side.

regards

[FTC_DerSheriff]

Dependend on the balance. Hydra will go blue again. Looking forward to get ra... chased by FNs in the later stages.
However, and a big however. If the balance calls we go red and take advantage of the full planeset this time. Showing what attrition really means

Edited March 6, 2018 by DerSheriff

[=KAG=RubiN]

I would still forbid the possibility of changing the coalition during the war.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

1 hour ago, Ala13_Antiguo said:

The solution to the murders of paratroopers is very simple, to prohibit it.
I have flown many campaigns in the old IL2 -1946 (SEOW, Danger Zone, FIOB ......), and in most it was forbidden to shoot the paratroopers.

I do not find the need to shoot a helpless pilot.

 

 

The next campaign, we leave the HE111 and the JU88 in the hangar, ... we fly again the PE2, the IL2, the Yak ..., it's time to defend the Russian side.

regards

 

We will miss you. It has been a privilege to fly with you. It's a shame to have to shoot you now, but rest assured that we will not kill you on the parachute, neither me nor my squadron. I'll never do it.

On the other hand I would like to see the Red Hawks (HR) fly in the planes of the blue side.

 

A greeting

Edited March 6, 2018 by 1/JSpan_Guerrero

[curiousGamblerr]

1 hour ago, LLv44_Mprhead said:

Ofc chute shooting in video game doesn't make you a war criminal. However it does make you an asshole.

 

This is what frustrates me most about the anti chute shooting crowd. 

 

You get all upset over over the "dishonor" of having your digital pilot shot in a freakin' war game, and then come online and calm the REAL pilot an asshole. Ooooh so chivalrous, much honor.

 

This community makes a joke of itself every time the topic comes up.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

4 minutes ago, =KAG=RubiN said:

I would still forbid the possibility of changing the coalition during the war.

 

In this topic I think like you, or you are Blue or Red. It is a personal opinion but if we simulate virtual warfare, it should not be on this front to be Russian and in the following German or on the contrary. A squad should choose side when it is constituted and be faithful to its choice.

[HR_Eldamar]

17 minutes ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

 

We will miss you. It has been a privilege to fly with you. It's a shame to have to shoot you now, but rest assured that we will not kill you on the parachute, neither me nor my squadron. I'll never do it.

On the other hand I would like to see the Red Hawks (HR) fly in the planes of the blue side.

 

A greeting

It is appreciated, but at the moment we have enough to learn to fly the planes on the red side. Personally, I think that now I would not know how to take off in a 190, much less to fly in a campaign as demanding as the TAW.
and I also assure you that this HR will not shoot you in the parachute either

 

Pero nos seguiremos viendo en los cielos compañero

[FTC_Riksen]

1 hour ago, LLv44_Mprhead said:

Ofc chute shooting in video game doesn't make you a war criminal. However it does make you an asshole.

So does stacking teams and flying exclusively for one side  with no regard or consideration for other people.

[A_radek]

 

2 hours ago, 19//curiousGamblerr said:

 

This is what frustrates me most about the anti chute shooting crowd. 

 

You get all upset over over the "dishonor" of having your digital pilot shot in a freakin' war game, and then come online and calm the REAL pilot an asshole. Ooooh so chivalrous, much honor.

 

This community makes a joke of itself every time the topic comes up.

 

Yeah. But then again I'm not surprised people get pissed over getting their stats reset. Taw is very emotion enducing. That's what's so great about it. And there is little else than emotions in the discussions around pilot killing.

 

I wouldn't more than raise an eyebrow, very briefly, over getting shot in my chute. However, that great feeling of pride I get when parked next to 5 other brave komrades warming up their s69 engines, soon to face overwhelming amounts of 190's and G4's pounding one of our last airfields - that feeling pales in comparison to the frustration I feel when I realize they are headed in the exact opposite direction and I'm suddenly alone. Usually have a very long fuse but think I woke the neighbors that night.

Edited March 6, 2018 by a_radek

[Slawinski]

Strategically chute killing makes sense - you advance the enemy's pilot cap, deprive them from the most advanced planes they may have in their hangar, affect their morale (could be hard to start all over again).

Showing mercy is the privilege of the strong - those who are confident they can win without resorting to this.

[-SF-Disarray]

5 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

 

In this topic I think like you, or you are Blue or Red. It is a personal opinion but if we simulate virtual warfare, it should not be on this front to be Russian and in the following German or on the contrary. A squad should choose side when it is constituted and be faithful to its choice.

 

So you are down to simulate some aspects of the war but not others in this game? Granted switching sides didn't happen all that often but it did happen from time to time. Pilots getting waxed as they fell to earth happened too, with a lot more frequency than switching sides based on what I can find. Interesting... Don't you think?

 

 

I'm all for letting people switch sides for balance, those who have the decency to do it that is; sadly they seem in short supply. Why people perpetuate this kind of stacking is a complete mystery to me.

[FTC_Riksen]

9 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

 

In this topic I think like you, or you are Blue or Red. It is a personal opinion but if we simulate virtual warfare, it should not be on this front to be Russian and in the following German or on the contrary. A squad should choose side when it is constituted and be faithful to its choice.

 

So please, if you dont mind, fly VVS next campaign so I can fly German. Thxs!

Edited March 6, 2018 by SCG_Riksen

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Is there a virtual Argentina for virtual war criminals who are escaping virtual justice to virtually hide in?

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

4 hours ago, SCG_Riksen said:

So does stacking teams and flying exclusively for one side  with no regard or consideration for other people.

 

Watching your tune change is like watching a cousin finally hit the age where he starts to just get it.  Kudos dude.

[Piciu]

Dear friends - Virtual Pilots!
     After a hard struggle, tough air fights, bomber raids and many, many other adventures which provided for us our TAW season XII, a brake has now come.

We can relax, do our other favourite things, or maybe gain more practice for another upcoming campaign. This will be no. XIII. Unlucky number?

Ofcourse not, it`s only superstision;-) How long we will have to wait? It depends on when the mighty patch 3.0 will be released.

After he will come, we`ll have to check whole integrity betwen game and our TAW structure. We hope, that this will not take much time.

We are plannig ofcourse to add new features and improve the older ones too.

 

 

As for the awards.

     Our TAW team decided to add two new rewards.
Starting from this campaign we will reward pilots who took the place in the top 5 (no matter if he is a fighter, bomber or tank killer) and survived whole campaign without being killed, being captured or disconnected("0" death, "0" capture, "0" disco).
In this campaing we have two pilots which achieved this and the rewards from this time will be called after their name.

For the Red side we have fighter pilot:

 

- ROSS_BW_Kuznechik

 

The reward is called from now "The Golden Statue of Kuznechik"

For the blue side we have bomber pilot:

 

- Enkas

 

The reward is called from now "The Enkas Cup"

 

Congratulations Pilots!

The diplomas stay as they were.

Edited September 25, 2019 by =LG=Piciu

[Piciu]

BEST FIGHTERS

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BEST BOMBERS

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BEST TANK KILLERS

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BEST FIGHER SQUADS

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BEST BOMBER SQUADS

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BEST TANK KILLER SQUADS

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Edited March 6, 2018 by =LG=Piciu

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

Congratulation to @DerSheriff for taking first place in best fighters.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

8 hours ago, 19//curiousGamblerr said:

 

This is what frustrates me most about the anti chute shooting crowd. 

 

You get all upset over over the "dishonor" of having your digital pilot shot in a freakin' war game, and then come online and calm the REAL pilot an asshole. Ooooh so chivalrous, much honor.

 

This community makes a joke of itself every time the topic comes up.

 

Well I don't get upset over the dishonor. But I don't believe that there is anyone who actually doesn't feed at least a bit bad when their virtual self get's gunned down when hanging from chute. Some more than others. About that talk about REAL pilot, I don't really understand what you are on about. If you think that if someone is able to fly a plane in real life that somehow excuses his behaviour then you are beyond help  if you behave like a dick that pretty much makes you a dick.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

7 hours ago, SCG_Riksen said:

So does stacking teams and flying exclusively for one side  with no regard or consideration for other people.

 

I kind of understand the frustration about this. Was actually the reason I ended up flying "red" in the old il-2:FB/PF/1946. Usually at the times when I was flying there was much more flying on German side that Allied. This is sometimes also the situation in BoX multiplayer servers but during resent TAW I never saw such unbalance that it would have been a problem. Sometimes there was more blue players and quite often reds would outnumber us by something like 30:50 but I can only talk about evening hours in Eastern - Central European timezone.

[curiousGamblerr]

2 hours ago, LLv44_Mprhead said:

 

Well I don't get upset over the dishonor. But I don't believe that there is anyone who actually doesn't feed at least a bit bad when their virtual self get's gunned down when hanging from chute. Some more than others. About that talk about REAL pilot, I don't really understand what you are on about. If you think that if someone is able to fly a plane in real life that somehow excuses his behaviour then you are beyond help  if you behave like a dick that pretty much makes you a dick.

 

Sure it's upsetting! But the sane human reaction is to shake your fist and jokingly say, "I'll get you next time!" rather than let yourself start hating the other person. Those here who decide to to take  a chute kill as some sort of personal insult are only hurting themselves. And I do mean decide, it is a decision to take it that way, because I can guarantee nobody means it that way. Least of all in a server like TAW where it's literally an objective to kill enemy pilots. Those folks need to realize getting shot in their chute isn't about them, or honor, or anything personal.

 

Not what I'm saying at all. When I say real pilot, I mean the real person you're calling an asshole. I just used "pilot" because we are in a flying game. What I mean is, it's ridiculous for folks to complain about honor when their virtual pilot is killed, and then come on this forum and call real people assholes, dicks, etc etc... 

 

[SCG_Darbzy]

Thanks for the last campaign to those who put in the hard work to make it happen. The TAW server keeps getting better and better. A donation for a case of beer has been sent.

[Enkas]

Thank you so much for the dedication of the award "ENKAS CUP", always for me the first point is "do not die" and bring the aircraft home, as taught by the "iron pilot" Rudel.
I dedicate this honor to my old flight squadron "AMVI" where I grew up and to the friend "DAX" with which we covered our shoulders on the TAW. Thanks for the nice surprise and of course congratulations to Kathon and to all the organizers of this great Tactical Air War Campaign.
De Vida "Enkas" Pinnaz. (Venice Italy).

 

Grazie infinite per la dedica del premio la "ENKAS CUP", da sempre per me il primo punto è "non morire" e riportare il velivolo a casa, come insegna "il pilota di ferro" Rudel. 
Dedico questo onore al mio vecchio squadrone di volo "AMVI" dove sono cresciuto e all'amico "DAX" con cui ci siamo coperti le spalle sulla TAW da anni. Grazie per la bella sorpresa e naturalmente complimenti a Kathon e a tutti gli organizzatori di questa grande Campagna Tactical Air War.
Davide "Enkas" Pinzan . (Venezia Italia) . 

 

S!

 

[ROSS_BW_Kuznechik]

Thanks is unexpected, but I think that the statue this superfluous)))) Or it is thin trolling??)))) Is better an award weapon)))

Edited March 7, 2018 by ROSS_BW_Kuznechik

[KoN_]

Old school virtual pilots had rules in  il-2-1946 campaigns if you shoot pilots in chute you were banned also team killing and kill steals was not tolerated ,if you lay the rules down then it wont happen as much and if it does then its a BAN.

Simple rules make people happy .    

I don't agree with chute killing ,  i find it very poor show i seen it on the server one or twice  . But if TAW entourages it then it will no dought continue .  

If its the only way to win a map then some thing isn't right . And all this it happens in WAR .... ect is just a ``BS answer.  

There is enough going on with axis plane set damage at the moment with out the chute kills its a Easy kill for Red .

And before i get slated for saying that  `there was ` plenty of talk about the weak axis airframes  . Very frustrating . 

Edited March 7, 2018 by II./JG77_Con

[Psyrion]

I think I'll add chute killing to the to do list for the next campaign. Sick and tired of the TAW thread being nothing but complains about chute killing.

[174driver]

The only option is to remove the pilots from the resources

[Carl_infar]

 

1 hour ago, ROSS_174driver said:

The only option is to remove the pilots from the resources

This would be the best solution