Tactical Air War

December 16, 2017

Please reduce the bad weather missions (low clouds), for the red side it is totally OK to dive from 3..4k with Pe2 through the clouds...but for the OKL side it is almost not possible with 88 and 110e4 (diving speed just not enough to avoid AAA hits).

I actually liked the mission which had solid clouds from 1.5 to 2.5 km. I have seen solid BOS clouds for the first time ever thx to this mission.

December 16, 2017

THX LG team for another great campaign.

THX to all pilots participated.

Congrats to red side , we WIN!!! congrats to Blue side , you are a great enemey.

December 16, 2017

Thanks for the campaign and all your efforts!

I've been critizising some things, but this doesn't make smaller what you have achived with this server and all the issues that you face constantly.

Now have a nice christmas time

December 16, 2017

This is true. Today I decided to go into my ventral pe-2 position with a 190 well in sight, my gunner didn't shoot. I promptly took over and hit the 190 which then broke off...

you really need to take over yourself.

That was then indeed a nice shot. Since I was flying with some deflection to you.

December 16, 2017

Posted Today, 10:19

THX LG team for another great campaign.

THX to all pilots participated.

Congrats to red side, we WIN!!! congrats to Blue

December 16, 2017

Great campaign! Congrat to the REDs, hope to see P39 and A20 in the next season!

December 16, 2017

Attention Non-Experte, Newcomer!!

THX to the Team for the great fun, creating that campaign!

Congratulation to the red Team.

Interesting discussions here, about how to win, to balance this and that, to organize the own (blue) Team better....

It feels better to win than to loose, so try to optimize ;-)

Some patience has to be given by the experts to Newcomers like me. Thx for that!

Please keep in mind, we are a small crazy community of virtual pilots, spending tons of hours, to have fun.

Some are better, some are learning.

We all want to participate in such campaigns in the real atmosphere. AF's with starting, landing, taxiing planes at same time...it's great.

Or missions like 8x Ju52 paratroopers escorted by hundreds of fighters.

Thats fun, I don't care in such moments who will win the map.

The german LW in WWII lost in last years more pilots by accidents than in fight, due to poor experience.

Same is here,

So keep cool!

"Blue Commanders", don't be too harsh to the own Team, words in Chat like "Idiots" for them who decided to fly another raid...hmmm.

Don't wonder, if no one of the Team will give you CAP by your next Mission.

Otherwise, I hate it, if s.o. is starting by not using the runway or ignoring the right direction.

A bit more discipline would be great.

Thx DAX for your post, agree 100%.

And all experts, don't make it too perfect, let some space for guys like me.

Happy Christmas to all.

December 16, 2017

Well, my temper grew shorter as the War went on. And the amount of People on the Non-Russian Comms decreased. I was growing steadily more frustrated. We just didn't have anything coming together oragnically with people just doing their Job when and where it was needed.

And as it dragged on I really stopped trying.

For me it was an overall frustrating experience. Especially the Cool Times when I was flying a Mission, and someone actually responded and agreed to CAP the Area for our 110 Flight.

And then we got shot down anyways, a flight of 4 Killed by 2 Fighters, with a couple of German Fighters at 7k right above us. I was close to exploding when they asked wether we got out alright a Minute later. I told them we were killed and left.

And that's the Kind of BS I had to put up with constantly.

I also got up with a couple of Fighter Pilots once, and agreed to Cover a Friendly Ground Target in layered defense, at 2, 4 and 6k. I was at 2k in a 3 Gun 109 against Il-2s. Well, surprise surprise, we were bounced by Russian Pilots from not too high up. When I asked the High Cover what happended they said that they were bored and in a different corner of the Map.

Well, I was dead again.

And when we flew some of the spectacular Ju-52 Missions, in a Team of 40 we had 1 or 2 Escorts at Ground Level with us. Well, they weren't very useful except for giving away our Position and we were slaughtered like Pigs by 1 or 2 Soviet Fighters.

I don'T think I had a single "Great" Flight where everything came together to make something awesome happen.

I don't mind loosing at all, but this Campaign felt extremely divided and it dragged on. Except for 1 or 2 coold flights, this campaign was a chore.

And when people like Red Bismark then get snarky and condescendent to CAP requests, well, doesn't put the German Fighter Pilots in a very good light either.

Edited December 16, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

December 16, 2017

Yup ... at one point, I just gave up trying to coordinate stuff in TAW. In one mission I was CAPing our Arty position at around 3k, which happened to be very close to the VVS advancing tanks, and there were like 25 people on the server (11 blue and 14 reds). I then spot 4 enemies in formation protecting their tanks and write in chat for the ground pounders to hold off any attack at the tanks until other axis fighters reached the area and we could get at least some sort of superiority or, at least, distract the defenders but guess what ... 2 mins later I spot a ju88 low going for the tanks by himself. If that wasnt enough, the dumbass even had his lights on. I kept writing in chat for him to stand by and turn off his lights but the only thing he cared about was to commit suicide (at least he turned off the lights). Unfortunately things like that were not isolated events, they happened more often than not and largely contributed to the Axis defeat ...

December 16, 2017

EXCELLENT campaign, so much fun for me as a pilot and for us as a composite french squadron (1er GAFL). Some epic moments, like this 190 attacking our 8 Pe2 attacking a airbase, decimating us trying to RTB.

I think discussions about balance are useless because mechanisms (rules, planeset, ...) were well balanced. And if there could have been some unbalanced aspects, it was on details not significant enough to decide who won.

I just think Red had an edge over the victory because there were a bigger number of organized Red squadrons around the clock and fewer solo trigger-happy newbies, thanks to complex engine management.

I will be happy to participate to the next campaign, and it will probably be on the blue side this time.

Edited December 16, 2017 by -IRRE-Magik

December 16, 2017

Congratulations again to my felow red pilots who won a well deserved victory. Also congrats to those pilots in blue team who always put up a good fight, specially those who also knew what to do in the map, those who cared and accomplished a couple of great victories.

Thanks again =LG= for creating and keeping TAW...now take your time, and let's have new TAW in February under the new patch.

PS. my advice to the very few who feel the urge to rush to forums complaining and whining when things don´t go the way they want: join a good squad, and stop being so frustrated.

December 16, 2017

For me, most of the guys complaining about pe2 gunners never seemed to fly one themselfes., or the red side...

Oh, really?

Most of the players play both side and it is no doubt about Pe2 gunners and 88 or 111.

December 16, 2017

Yep, Pe-2 Gunners are just as useless, unless you have the later Series Turret Installed. Especially the Series 35 Gunners appear to be the Result of Affirmative Action to bring more Blind People into Gunnery Roles.

December 16, 2017

2 admins:

Is it possible to publish a stat about flight hours for red and blue players for all maps last campaign?

Yep, Pe-2 Gunners are just as useless, unless you have the later Series Turret Installed. Especially the Series 35 Gunners appear to be the Result of Affirmative Action to bring more Blind People into Gunnery Roles.

It is not a problem at all. Fisrt 2 maps you can fly fast enough (35 series) , to go away from e7 or mc202. So, only 1 map (2nd one) you will get some problems vs 109f2.

Edited December 16, 2017 by Kra

December 16, 2017

Would like to thank =LG= for their time and effort for providing the TAW campaign it was very enjoyable <S>.

I look forward to flying the next one .

December 16, 2017

I'd just like to say thanks to the team that produce T.A.W. I installed Il-2 Bos in September and this is by far the most "rewarding" server I use, not the easiest, in fact I have my lowest kill/death ratio in this server, but the "rewards" for helping your team to achieve objectives is really enjoyable.

I've also "met" some really helpful players on the TAW TS Server, but I do think that having so many places (Discord, other TS channels) you can chat and make plans is a double edged problem, you need to be able to communicate BUT, you can't have everyone on the same channel as that's unusable. I know there's a txt buffer but I play in VR so there's no way to use that, unless I'm sat on the runway.

This server, more than any other has taught me that, in VR, I don't fly a fighter alone, I have to fly with a wing-man as it is a fierce environment with serious consequences on your next flights if things go wrong.

I also support HenHawk's suggestion that making a small donation would really benefit the team and would be cheap when compared to what you pay to watch a 2 hour movie.

Thanks again <S>alute

Witch

December 16, 2017

Now we get to stare at this turtle for 2 months.

https://imgur.com/a/aMDhy

December 16, 2017

And when people like Red Bismark then get snarky and condescendent to CAP requests, well, doesn't put the German Fighter Pilots in a very good light either.

Actually, I was there that mission, you didn't ask anything - you just swore profusely in chat in anger at the German team for not being where you were going. We were attacking another objective and you were calling us idiots and useless for not attacking what you wanted to attack.

I'm surprised you didn't get yourself banned that day, to be honest.

December 16, 2017

Overall I mostly enjoyed the campaign. Although I had not much time to fly and saw some thrilling action and I am very proud to archieve 8 kills while not dying once and only shot down three times. You may consider it being a coward but anyway.

Always enjoyed the "I need cover over xy" "When will you be there" "3 min"-Stuff, the ramming on taxi 'cause noone needs an airstrip, the asleep on the stick skyknights.
But we archieved stuff with small groups and survived. 2 fighters and a bomber can do stuff very well and we kept our bomber alive. Met new people on the way of this campaign and I'm looking forward to fly Ivan again to have a sweet laugh at some of the marvelous stuff the german team is known for. But this time a sweet one not a bittersweet while being on the same side looking how the Luftwaffe dies with thunderous sirens.

Cheers and big thanks to the LG guys! Keep it up!

Edited December 16, 2017 by DerKurfuerst

December 16, 2017

Actually, I was there that mission, you didn't ask anything - you just swore profusely in chat in anger at the German team for not being where you were going. We were attacking another objective and you were calling us idiots and useless for not attacking what you wanted to attack.

I'm surprised you didn't get yourself banned that day, to be honest.

Well you could report him just like many guys did in last few weeks.

Edited December 17, 2017 by =LG=Leutnant_Artur

December 16, 2017

Great Campaign!
I honestly dont see the "Teamwork issues" that critical. Since there were other campaigns which were way worse. A couple of times the germans pushed nicely back (Map 7). Often tanks were taken care off in time. IN the past it wasnt rare that after 1h 30mins tanks really close to a airfield had still flak.
This and similar stuff wasn't as bad anymore. Honestly the skilllevel is higher now then it was in the past. On both sides. We enjoyed it a lot. We see us on the red side soon.

December 16, 2017

Than you for all good words. We are happy you enjoyed TAW.

We're planning to make short brake and run next campaign soon but first few things needs to be fixed like web, manual, and some smaller thing in script or maps. There will also be some small changes in planset.

About what Necroo said, if someone wants to drop a coin or two you can do it by "Donate" option in TAW web.

Edited December 16, 2017 by =LG=Leutnant_Artur

December 16, 2017

The whole "LW has too many "noobs" and people who don't care, that's why they don't win" has become a meme that is over exaggerating things and serves as a monocausal explanation for Issues that run deeper than that. Out of the top of my head i can remember VVS pilots being as hilarious as LW pilots. I highly doubt that these players are the deciding factor of who wins a campaign. At least when you look at the last one.

Than you for all good words. We are happy you enjoyed TAW.

We're planning to make short brake and run next campaign soon but first few things needs to be fixed like web, manual, and some smaller thing in script or maps. There will also be some small changes in planset.

Are we talking closer to 1 month or 2 month?

December 16, 2017

The whole "LW has too many "noobs" and people who don't care, that's why they don't win" has become a meme that is over exaggerating things and serves as a monocausal explanation for Issues that run deeper than that. Out of the top of my head i can remember VVS pilots being as hilarious as LW pilots. I highly doubt that these players are the deciding factor of who wins a campaign. At least when you look at the last one.

Are we talking closer to 1 month or 2 month?

Few weeks.

December 16, 2017

Congratulation for the job you have done to allow us playing TAW. This the most realistic and the most interesting campain I have flown.

Ready for the next one.

December 16, 2017

Thanks for a terrific experience! TAW just keeps getting better and better.

December 16, 2017

Few weeks.

That's awesome

December 16, 2017

Great campaign! !

Thanks =LG= for this great server.

I would like to suggest using all winters map available to make a longer campaign. I only flew a single winter map. I don't know how many were available.

Don't worry guys, we will keep Klaus on leash on next one

December 16, 2017

Thanks for this great server, LG, and all the participants, it has been a very exciting fight.

Waiting impatiently for the start of the next campaign.

regards

December 16, 2017

Well you could report him and just like many guys did in last few weeks.

Yeah, go ahead.

December 17, 2017

I highly doubt that these players are the deciding factor of who wins a campaign. At least when you look at the last one.

I doubt it too.

The deciding factor from a ground attack point of view is in these numbers.

Yeah, go ahead.

I just reported you to the Weinactsmann, you're on the naughty list!

December 17, 2017

2 admins:

Is it possible to publish a stat about flight hours for red and blue players for all maps last campaign?

Will kindly ask it again.

Thanks in advance

Edited December 17, 2017 by Kra

December 17, 2017

I doubt it too.

The deciding factor from a ground attack point of view is in these numbers.

I just reported you to the Weinactsmann, you're on the naughty list!

Those stats are ridiculous, seriously need a nerf on russian aa. I did the total and russian aa shot down 1301 planes and german aa shot down 672 planes.

December 17, 2017

Whether added to a new campaign by a German anti-aircraft gun 37mm ....?

December 17, 2017

Whether added to a new campaign by a German anti-aircraft gun 37mm ....?

Please not. check out this thread: thread https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32578-bravery-being-out-range/

It has been shown that even on AI LEVEL LOW the AAA guns in IL-2 shoot down a plane with ~ 50% less rounds than needed IRL. On AI LEVEL HIGH the number of rounds needed to down a fighter went to about 1/8th of the rounds needed IRL. (2/11th for AI level Normal)

Putting ever more and deadly AAA will just lead to more frustration and on top of that is totally unrealistic. Lots of players I was doing ground attacks with in the first maps stopped after a while, kind of sad. (and that was on VVS)

Edited December 17, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

December 17, 2017

Well, the Campaign previous to this one was absolutely amazing, some of the best times I've had in Il-2 for a long time. We had huge Flights, Massive Coordinated Strikes on a daily Basis and a lot of guys around generally.

I don't know what went wrong this time, but this Campaign definetly didn't live up.

December 17, 2017

Hello everyone!
Tactical Air War edition XI is over. Thank you for your words of appreciation. We are doing our best to give you as much entertainment at our server as we can, and we will continue to do so. For now a little brake is comming and we wish you all great Christmas time and happy New Year 2018! See you in the next edition!

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