Would you rather have a new Battle of X that follows BOM and BOS(plane capabilities) or would you like something new?

[SFC_Tako]

Kuban or Kursk? Why not both? Call it "1943". Two maps. Done deal, I buy!

 

Ps I wanna fly the Henschel Hs 129. Oh and some mission with the specialist female pilots of the Night Witches.

[GP*]

Quit it with the hipster theaters and aircraft. No one cares that you want to fly some obscure aircraft on some sideline mission in some random theater. 

 

Here's a "choose your own adventure" guide for the dev:

 

1) If you want to stay on the Eastern Front, Kuban or Kursk.

 

2) If you want to venture beyond the eastern front but can't stomach the western front (because the vocal minority have you convinced it's been "done to death"), go to the Pacific.

 

3) If you want to start making some real money, go to the western front. 

[Jade_Monkey]

Quit it with the hipster theaters and aircraft. No one cares that you want to fly some obscure aircraft on some sideline mission in some random theater.

 

Here's a "choose your own adventure" guide for the dev:

 

1) If you want to stay on the Eastern Front, Kuban or Kursk.

 

2) If you want to venture beyond the eastern front but can't stomach the western front (because the vocal minority have you convinced it's been "done to death"), go to the Pacific.

 

3) If you want to start making some real money, go to the western front.

So anyone who doesnt share your tastes is a hipster? So pathetic.

[Ace_Pilto]

Quit it with the hipster theaters and aircraft. No one cares that you want to fly some obscure aircraft on some sideline mission in some random theater. 

 

Here's a "choose your own adventure" guide for the dev:

 

1) If you want to stay on the Eastern Front, Kuban or Kursk.

 

2) If you want to venture beyond the eastern front but can't stomach the western front (because the vocal minority have you convinced it's been "done to death"), go to the Pacific.

 

3) If you want to start making some real money, go to the western front. 

 

Totally.

 

Hurr Durr Spanish Civil War.

 

Good luck marketing that. Obscure and niche content is for mods. The devs need to eat.

Edited January 22, 2016 by JimmyBlonde

[JG26sandbag69]

Western front for me, then Crimea and kursk,then guadalcanal please

[GP*]

So anyone who doesnt share your tastes is a hipster? So pathetic.

 

 

Funny. People post aircraft and theaters in threads like these all the time that are only of real interest to them, and no one says anything. Oh, and where did I state anything even closely resembling what you're accusing me of? You might want to work on your reading comprehension before posting again. 

 

Two out of the three theaters I posted aren't even my taste. All three are listed because they offer the broadest appeal. 

 

Some people are clamoring for obscure aircraft and theaters that are of secondary importance (and interest). Do people really think that everyone wants to fly a FW-189 around doing recon in a computer sim!? Some of the ideas offered in this sim are surefire ways to run this franchise into the ground.

 

But you're right, how pathetic of me. Trying to suggest theaters that might actually sell in respectable numbers. This sim is already so overflowing with players that the last thing we need is for the next installment to do well.

[Asgar]

 

 

Quit it with the hipster theaters and aircraft.

there^^ 

[Mac_Messer]

A plane-set with a standard Bf-109, Bf-110, Ju-52, Go-242 and premium Storch(or change the Storch with the 110)

 

Imagine the possibilities we could get(if possible)

I have always thought that WWII combatflightsims are more than just fighter jousting. For this reason I`ve never objected to bombers and mudmovers being made flyiable though I never use them (but I pay for the whole package nonetheless).

 

IMO the real problem with BoS/BoM right now is lack of depth. Standard escort/intercept/Jabo is not enough. It needs to introduce RPG elements (pilot career), interesting scripting of events and a wider array of mission types. I`d very much welcome a cooperative single player campaign to play with my future squad.

 

IMO maybe it is needed to shift the balance a bit - not just new maps and standard WWII aircraft but also wider game engine enhancements to make the game more versatile.

 

So maybe theater packs with one-two classic combat aircraft, one-two tanks and few special purpose aircraft like Storch like you said.

 

For me even less aircraft per pack can be justified if we see substantial enhancements (that would understandably need for 777 to shift some company resources). For example for me a mission where less than 10 aircraft takeoff to attack a depot with say 10 objects faced by 10 enemy aircraft does not cut it anymore. It needs to have a larger scale overall.

 

With that said, I think that with this stance we have now, we can think about switching to say Med (other such ToO) which feature the same or similar aircraft to what we have already but we absolutely cannot afford to go say Pacific which is a whole different ball game.

[Reagan505]

Funny. People post aircraft and theaters in threads like these all the time that are only of real interest to them, and no one says anything. Oh, and where did I state anything even closely resembling what you're accusing me of? You might want to work on your reading comprehension before posting again. 

 

Two out of the three theaters I posted aren't even my taste. All three are listed because they offer the broadest appeal. 

 

Some people are clamoring for obscure aircraft and theaters that are of secondary importance (and interest). Do people really think that everyone wants to fly a FW-189 around doing recon in a computer sim!? Some of the ideas offered in this sim are surefire ways to run this franchise into the ground.

 

But you're right, how pathetic of me. Trying to suggest theaters that might actually sell in respectable numbers. This sim is already so overflowing with players that the last thing we need is for the next installment to do well.

Nailed it

[LukeFF]

 

After some more thought I'd like it keep going.

 

I'd like to see:

 

 

 

IL-2 Sturmovik : Battle of Kuban

 

Germany

• Bf-109G-6 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-109G-14  with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190A-5 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190F-8 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-110G-2 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-123-A1
• Me-410A-1 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-129B-3 - Special A/C set

 

Soviet Union

• La-5F
• MiG-3 Ser 34
• Pe-8
• Tu-2
• Yak-7B
• LaGG-3IT
• Pe-3 BiS
• IL-2 Type 3M - Special A/C set

 

 

Still a nonsense list for many reasons:

• No G-14s in 1943
• No F-8s in 1943
• Hs 129 B-3? Rofl, that's a late 1944 aircraft for East Prussia
• Me 410 - nothing more than a recon plane on the Eastern Front. 
• MiG-3: irrelevant by this time. Besides what's wrong with the one we have?
• Pe-8? Umm...no. Entirely irrelevant for Kuban.
• Pe-3. Northern front airplane, irrelevant for Kuban.

[DD_Arthur]

Quit it with the hipster theaters and aircraft..

 

3) If you want to start making some real money, go to the western front. 

 

This.

[Jade_Monkey]

People post aircraft and theaters in threads like these all the time that are only of real interest to them, and no one says anything. 

 

Maybe because that's the whole point of this thread.

 

No need to start your post by despising eveyone's opinions, which is what i though t it was pathetic and childish, not the theaters you suggested.

 

Perhaps you are the one lacking some reading comprehension.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I personally have always loved the Pacific, but the Eastern front is starting to grow on me. It could be just that none of the classes I have to take in school, or museums really give two cares about it.

Also; 

[Frequent_Flyer]

I suspect Finkeren decided to finally buck the trend where major updates occurred every time he was away on holiday.  Now he's taking them at the same time the developers do.  He's probably on a beach in Corsica, rubbing tanning lotion on Han's belly right now.  

 

   

Many a truth is spoken in jest

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

THERE IS NO WAY AROUND AN UPGRADE TO THE GAME ENGINE, DUE TO LACKLUSTER PERFORMANCE.

 

COMING UP WITH ALL NEW AIRCRAFT SETS AND MECHANICS DISTRACTS FROM EXACTLY THAT.

 

TO KEEP THE NEXT INSTALLMENT AFFORDABLE AND IMRPOVE THE ENTIRE GAME 

 

---> STOP THE PACIFIC AND WESTERN FRONT SILLINESS!!!

 

 

Anyways: 

 

My personal Aircraftset would center on the last stages of the Battle for the Cuban Bridgehead in early October 1943, and into the winter of 1943/44. The G-14 and F-8 came much later. The early stuff fits the other theaters much, much better as additional content RoF style.

 

My new and improved list: 

 

Germans

 

Bf109G-4 with full emergency power (1.42 ata at 2800rpm) released and late model landing gear. Otherwise same as the BoS G-2. Glass Headest as standard. 

Bf109G-6, as above but with Mg131 instead of Mg17, optional Mk108, optional Erla-Haube, optional Wfr. Gr 21 rockets. 

Fw190A-5

Fw190F-3, has Mg17 as cowling guns, based on A-5

 

(Me-410, was here, but is no longer)

Bf110G

 

Ju-87D-5

 

Ju-88A-4 and C-6 Variants

He-111 H-16 with lots of Mg131s and MG81Zs

 

probable

IAR 81? (new)

Fw189? (new)

 

absolutely necessary

Ju-52

 

Russians

 

La-5F

LaGG-3 seria 42 (as far as I know same as 66, just without retractable tailwheel, 12 kph slower, but still GREAT))

Yak-9D and T (AWSUMA!) (not really all that new)

Yak-1B improved (mouthwatering)

MiG-3 with AM-38 (As far as I know around 70 were converted with simple Il-2 swaps, someone find the original source please)

 

P-39D or K (new)

(P-40M as a very big maybe)

Spitfire Mk.Vb with 57th GIAP (new)

 

Il-2M (Swept WUHNGS, go MACH 3)

Pe-2

 

 

Any one of these will do the Job, I favor the Yer-2 for purely personal reasons. (new)

 

(Tu-2 is too late, gone for now, same as Me-410, so nothing really lost or gained)

A-20 Havoc

Il-4

B-25

Yer-2 (I really just want a Diesel Airplane, I know it's silly)

 

All of these are a must however. 

Po-2? (new)

Li-2 (new) 

 

I count 5 necessary and 3 probable new additions. 

 

 

Just as a final statement: The less effort the Devs have to spend on NEW and SHINY Stuff, more money can be spent on improving GAME ENGINE PERFORMANCE, while a new theater should just serve as a money grab to get the funds for that.

 

Wanting all new aircraft sets seems childish to me at this point. 

 

Edited January 26, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[TheElf]

 

THERE IS NO WAY AROUND AN UPGRADE TO THE GAME ENGINE, DUE TO LACKLUSTER PERFORMANCE.

 

COMING UP WITH ALL NEW AIRCRAFT SETS AND MECHANICS DISTRACTS FROM EXACTLY THAT.

 

TO KEEP THE NEXT INSTALLMENT AFFORDABLE AND IMRPOVE THE ENTIRE GAME 

 

---> STOP THE PACIFIC AND WESTERN FRONT SILLINESS!!!

 

 

Anyways: 

 

My personal Aircraftset would center on the last stages of the Battle for the Cuban Bridgehead in early October 1943, and into the winter of 1943/44. The G-14 and F-8 came much later. The early stuff fits the other theaters much, much better as additional content RoF style.

 

My new and improved list: 

 

Germans

 

Bf109G-4 with full emergency power (1.42 ata at 2800rpm) released and late model landing gear. Otherwise same as the BoS G-2. Glass Headest as standard. 

Bf109G-6, as above but with Mg131 instead of Mg17, optional Mk108, optional Erla-Haube, optional Wfr. Gr 21 rockets. 

Fw190A-5

Fw190F-3, has Mg17 as cowling guns, based on A-5

 

(Me-410, was here, but is no longer)

Bf110G

 

Ju-87D-5

 

Ju-88A-4 and C-6 Variants

He-111 H-16 with lots of Mg131s and MG81Zs

 

probable

IAR 81? (new)

Fw189? (new)

 

absolutely necessary

Ju-52

 

Russians

 

La-5F

LaGG-3 seria 42 (as far as I know same as 66, just without retractable tailwheel, 12 kph slower, but still GREAT))

Yak-9D and T (AWSUMA!) (not really all that new)

Yak-1B improved (mouthwatering)

MiG-3 with AM-38 (As far as I know around 70 were converted with simple Il-2 swaps, someone find the original source please)

 

P-39D or K (new)

(P-40M as a very big maybe)

Spitfire Mk.Vb with 57th GIAP (new)

 

Il-2M (Swept WUHNGS, go MACH 3)

Pe-2

 

 

Any one of these will do the Job, I favor the Yer-2 for purely personal reasons. (new)

 

(Tu-2 is too late, gone for now, same as Me-410, so nothing really lost or gained)

A-20 Havoc

Il-4

B-25

Yer-2 (I really just want a Diesel Airplane, I know it's silly)

 

All of these are a must however. 

Po-2? (new)

Li-2 (new) 

 

I count 5 necessary and 3 probable new additions. 

 

 

Just as a final statement: The less effort the Devs have to spend on NEW and SHINY Stuff, more money can be spent on improving GAME ENGINE PERFORMANCE, while a new theater should just serve as a money grab to get the funds for that.

 

Wanting all new aircraft sets seems childish to me at this point. 

 

 

 

Congratulations, you just described BoS II.  After we waste a development cycle on creating virtually no new content, we can have the Devs upgrade the engine  for BoS III where we get more variants of aircraft we already have.  

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Congratulations, you just described BoS II.  After we waste a development cycle on creating virtually no new content, we can have the Devs upgrade the engine  for BoS III where we get more variants of aircraft we already have.  

Yes, exactly. That is exactly what I intend. Engine Upgrades are expensive. 

 

P.S.: Thanxx fo added publicity.

Edited January 26, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Considering a lot of people actually enjoy sub-variants and how important engine upgrades are to keep the *current* customers happy, financially it's more viable to rework aspects that need work while providing a share of new content at a rate people are used to (in BoS and BoM formats) so new people can still enjoy new stuff, old people are still around and buying and spreading good publicity about it. Customer acquisition is expensive, if they can do work that is due either way (i.e. optimisations) while pushing out good content (like Klaus' Kuban example) the efforts will pay off nicely

[TheElf]

Considering a lot of people actually enjoy sub-variants and how important engine upgrades are to keep the *current* customers happy, financially it's more viable to rework aspects that need work while providing a share of new content at a rate people are used to (in BoS and BoM formats) so new people can still enjoy new stuff, old people are still around and buying and spreading good publicity about it. Customer acquisition is expensive, if they can do work that is due either way (i.e. optimisations) while pushing out good content (like Klaus' Kuban example) the efforts will pay off nicely

 

I like Variants too, but not as a new standalone release.  G-4 isn't that much differenet than a G-2.  Ditto the G-6 from the G-4.  Nothing new here...

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

 

absolutely necessary

Ju-52

 

 

<3

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

More aircraft >> more variants. Makes things way more interesting.

 

And yes, still looking forward to pacific (maybe some day...).

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

More aircraft >> more variants. Makes things way more interesting.

 

And yes, still looking forward to pacific (maybe some day...).

Definetly, but not BEFORE an engine upgrade.

[Feathered_IV]

 

Definitely, but not BEFORE an engine upgrade.

Map makers, 3D modellers, Texture artists, FM coders, GUI designers, Sound engineers, and Campaign writers do not upgrade game engines. However they do help generate the income that makes the upgrades possible.

The devs here and in other titles have said many times that throwing extra staff at an engine write does not help, when the job is only efficiently and correctly done when left to a very small group working in close cooperation.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Feathered_IV

[Luger1969]

Well what is on my wishlist:

 

[a]Game optimisation (specifically the impact of non player/ia aircraft--stuttering--without "porking everything up" quote from Lucas....)

 

Another russian front installment- Kursk/Kuban is fine, preferably for me Kursk. Kuban can be sold as a separate map, from what I understand this will have some different scenery (mountains ?) which will make it attractive to buy.  

 

[c]Aircraft set: Axis- BF109G6, FW190A5, HS129, DO217?, IAR82.

VVS/Russia- YAK9?, LA5F, IL2M, A20 OR TU2, P39?

 

? unsure of version

 

The JU 52 guys have my sympathy it could be added as a bonus..for free all pilots that have 3 BOS/BOM/BO?... 50% discount if you have 2.... full price otherwise

 

[d]Tanks. Well if it is Kursk why not. But must be a separate sim. Because of the maps perhaps a discount if you buy both. If it is a good business opportunity take, just remember to prioritize the flightsim   and then the tanks.

 

The devs have done 2 sims now and as I know it the more you do the better you get...I think they are about to hit peak performance. 

 

 

o and Rand/Dollar is bad so I am starting a savings plan...hopefully I will be ready to buy pre-order in August.

 

Kind regards. A.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Chandalier1969

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Map makers, 3D modellers, Texture artists, FM coders, GUI designers, Sound engineers, and Campaign writers do not upgrade game engines.  However they do help generate the income that makes the upgrades possible.

The devs here and in other titles have said many times that throwing extra staff at an engine write does not help, when the job is only efficiently and correctly done when left to a very small group working in close cooperation.

 

This is true, it escaped my mind for a while That being said having all-new aircraft probably costs more on the non-engine end, since you can't really reuse any of the documentation, 3D and FM work done before. A fine balance is needed in the end, and I'm sure that's what will happen anyway.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

This is true, it escaped my mind for a while That being said having all-new aircraft probably costs more on the non-engine end, since you can't really reuse any of the documentation, 3D and FM work done before. A fine balance is needed in the end, and I'm sure that's what will happen anyway.

I really really want this game to have a future, and the way the engine struggles right now, I don't see it. It's fine for a low and slow game like RoF, but not good enough right now. 

 

I also really like the eastern front more than the West and I thinks it's good for two more games, mainly around Kuban in late '43 with the above planes and second half of 1944 with the

109G-14, G-10, K-4s

190Ds, A-8s and F-8s,

Me-410s and the catastrohically bad He-177  

against

VK107 powered Yak-9s,

Yak-3, La-5FN and La-7s, LaGG-3-66,

Tu-2, B-25,

 

And after that I really don't give a hoot. 

Spit Mk.IXs, P-63s, P-47s,

Il-2 and if we are going very late, maybe even Il-10s. 

 

And after that we can do whatever I guess. 

Edited January 26, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[PatrickAWlson]

A thought about the western front - forget the strategic campaign and focus on the tactical.  Not suggesting this as a next step, but IMHO it does have possibilities.

 

P-51

P-47

P-38

B26

Spitfire Mk IX

Typhoon/Tempest

Mosquito

 

FW190 A8

FW190 G2

FW190 D9

Me109 G6

Me109 G14

Ju88

[LuftManu]

Well, after some time I came back and from 1st Person perspective I`m glad how BOS/BOM has evolved.

 

I am interested in some Mid to Late war sceneraio, lets say Mid 43. 

 

I`m thinking in this theater

 

Italy 1943 / 44

 

 

Axis

Fiat G55

Machi 205

SM79

Bf 109 G6

 

Fiat BR20 or Fw 190A6

 

Allies

P51 Early

P47 Early

A20

Spitfire Mk5

 

F4F Wildcat

 

My two cents!

Edited January 26, 2016 by ManuV

[Danziger]

I say stay on the eastern front.

 

Allied

MiG-1

MiG-3-15

MiG-3-34

MiG-3 AM38

MiG-3U

 

Axis

More 109s to fill in all the ones we still don't have.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

MiG-1

MiG-3-15

MiG-3-34

MiG-3 AM38

MiG-3U

 

Best set ever

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

A thought about the western front - forget the strategic campaign and focus on the tactical.  Not suggesting this as a next step, but IMHO it does have possibilities.

 

P-51

P-47

P-38

B26

Spitfire Mk IX

Typhoon/Tempest

Mosquito

 

FW190 A8

FW190 G2

FW190 D9

Me109 G6

Me109 G14

Ju88

B-25 and Me 410 (because she is so deliciously ugly)

[Lusekofte]

Funny. People post aircraft and theaters in threads like these all the time that are only of real interest to them, and no one says anything. Oh, and where did I state anything even closely resembling what you're accusing me of? You might want to work on your reading comprehension before posting again. 

 

Two out of the three theaters I posted aren't even my taste. All three are listed because they offer the broadest appeal. 

 

Some people are clamoring for obscure aircraft and theaters that are of secondary importance (and interest). Do people really think that everyone wants to fly a FW-189 around doing recon in a computer sim!? Some of the ideas offered in this sim are surefire ways to run this franchise into the ground.

 

But you're right, how pathetic of me. Trying to suggest theaters that might actually sell in respectable numbers. This sim is already so overflowing with players that the last thing we need is for the next installment to do well.

 

I fly COD for western front, All I see is people wanting faster planes, in my opinion they should fly DCS . I bought BOS because it was eastern front. If you bought it for flying Western front I think it is you that have mistaken the idea. In my opinion I would like a earlier theatre, HS 123 and such that is my opinion. And I think I am entitled to have it. 

[Jade_Monkey]

Well, after some time I came back and from 1st Person perspective I`m glad how BOS/BOM has evolved.

 

I am interested in some Mid to Late war sceneraio, lets say Mid 43.

 

I`m thinking in this theater

 

Italy 1943 / 44

 

 

Axis

Fiat G55

Machi 205

SM79

Bf 109 G6

 

Fiat BR20 or Fw 190A6

 

Allies

P51 Early

P47 Early

A20

Spitfire Mk5

 

F4F Wildcat

 

My two cents!

Although i dont think it's the most likely theatre, i would love this.

 

Something about the serie 5 italian planes is fascinating for me.

[Asgar]

B-25 and Me 410 (because she is so deliciously ugly)

i will block you. good bye... ugly....pfff

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

i will block you. good bye... ugly....pfff

 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

A thought about the western front - forget the strategic campaign and focus on the tactical.  Not suggesting this as a next step, but IMHO it does have possibilities.

 

P-51

P-47

P-38

B26

Spitfire Mk IX

Typhoon/Tempest

Mosquito

 

FW190 A8

FW190 G2

FW190 D9

Me109 G6

Me109 G14

Ju88

Sounds suspiciously like DCS. 

 

But admit it, you really just want:

 

P-51H vs. Bf109R, then jerk it into a jar and put it in the fridge for later consumption. I know you P-51 guys. 

(talking about the cake of course  )

 

 

 

(The R is for Ultralight Replica)

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I liked the 109R. I bet her can turn inside the mustang because any plane can do it. Considering the production cost, we could have the numbers too.

 

Anyway, I think people will have to wait at least 5 years to see western Europe front due to engine restrictions and more powerful CPUs to be available.

Edited January 27, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Ugh.. I would much rather go with this one:

[-TBC-AeroAce]

What is a 109R?

[Feathered_IV]

Repro I think.