Would you rather have a new Battle of X that follows BOM and BOS(plane capabilities) or would you like something new?

[Trooper117]

Got all the Bloody Shambles series, and his Dust Clouds in the Middle East, plus the two massive volumes of 'Mediterranean Air War'... can't wait for his next one on that

[II./JG77_Manu*]

You know, on the 1946 server I play daily the top 10 most played aircraft in this order are:

 

1. Bf-109F-4
2. Bf-109G-2
3. Bf-109F-2
4. La-5FN
5. I-16 type 24
6. La-5F
7. Hurricane Mk.IIb
8. Fw-190A-4
9. Bf-110G-2
10. Bf-109G-10

The planes with the 5 best k/d ratios are the Fw-190A-4, La-5FN, Hurricane Mk.II, Bf-109F-4 and I-16-24. They're just fun to fly really, people like having fun

 

But i guess the Hurricane and the I16 are not used in the same scenario as the F4/G2 are they?

You also have to keep in mind, that the engine limitation system in 1946 (which is better then in BoS in my opinion) absolutely favours aircraft like the Hurricane and the P40, whose maximum power output is way ahead their "combat rating", but would be/is only usuable in BoS for such a short amount of time, that it's really not useful. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Actually the Hurricane Mk.II and the I-16 type 24 are only used in scenarios where the F-2/F-4/G-2 appear, that's the joy of it These are mostly Eastern Front/Med 1941-1943 scenarios.

 

Agreed on the old 1946 engine shenanigans though, but then (to a lesser degree of course) the 109 can also push the engine a little harder than in BoS/M.

 

My point is, not everyone wants to play the strongest plane all the time, and there is still a lot of love for the Soviet, British and American underdogs early in the war.

[TheElf]

What's wrong with VOL I and Air war for Burma, the concluding volume of the 2 others ? :-)

 

 

nothing is wrong with them, I just didn't want to type out every reference I have, so I picked the one most relevant to my previous post.

[JG4_dingsda]

[...]

 

Not just the next module, so I can get the FW-189 to fly over the endless Steppe.

 

.. but.. but.. but.. I'd like to have a FW-189 to fly over the endless Steppe ...   

[LukeFF]

A Channel Map? Maps that RoF had remastered with BoS & BoM Quality?

 

The ROF maps are nowhere the size needed for WW2, not to mention all the changes the area saw between the two wars.

Edited January 16, 2016 by LukeFF

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

.. but.. but.. but.. I'd like to have a FW-189 to fly over the endless Steppe ...

And I want to intercept the Fw-189 over the endless steppe. See how great teamwork is?

Edited January 16, 2016 by Lucas_From_Hell

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The ROF maps are nowhere the size needed for WW2, not to mention all the changes the area saw between the two wars.

Yup, porting over the Channel map was well covered months ago. It would have to be done from scratch.

 

*non-starter

[Reagan505]

Whatever you do, it needs to be done before DCS completely locks down the WWII arena... or at least a huge majority of it. IL-2 has always been one of my favorite sims, (Before Cliffs of Dover).. Hope it keeps growing..

[Porkins]

My top three wants would be:

 

- Pacific. Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, or Rabaul would all be good campaigns for it.

 

- Med. Either Sicily or Egypt/Libya

 

- Crimea. A true combined arms campaign that involved substantial ground, naval, and air forces.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

My all-time favourite scenario would be Guardian Angel:

 

B17/B24 escorted by Mustang, Thunderbolt, and Lightning

Germans with Bf 110, Me410 and 190A8 (Sturmbock or WGr. 21) to attack the bombers, and 109 and Dora to escort the Zerstörer.

I think OP asked, if we only want to have a new scenario, with the same system like now (new map +10 aircraft), or also some changes in gameplay. 

 

Well in case of this scenario, to make it properly playable and fun, we would have to change the system from just random spawning to something else:

- any x minutes a swarm of lets say 32 AI bombers spawns at the edge of the map at target altitude (~8-9km). To run that properly, those AI would have to be coded in a simplified way, simple FM, but as long as the movement and the DM are plausible and realistic, this would be no problem.

- if a player spawns in a heavy bomber, his newly spawned bomber would substitute one of those simplified AI models at the very spot, it is currently

- if a player spawns in a US fighter, the spawnpoint is somewhere at a covering position near the bomber formation

- German aircraft have a ground start with the following parameter: starting permission every 10 minutes. Every 10 minutes there is a timeframe of 2 minutes, where players are able to start their engines. If they don't spawn within those 2 minutes, they will be able to spawn already, but have to wait to start their engines, until the 10-minutes timer reaches zero again. This way it is clarified, that players attack the formation together, and there is not the odd lonewolf to attack the huge bomber formation of his own. In the meantime till the timer reaches zero, they can watch the beautiful scenery, chat with other players about their tactics they wanna use against the US, and listen to radio chatter -->which brings me to my next point

- already at the ground, but of course also in the air, there will be a radar-radio, which will give the coordinations of the bomber formation, and guide the German fighters to the bomber formation - comparable to the Awacs in DCS

 

- US bombers fly from the edge of the map to a certain target, bomb that particular target, and disengage to the edge of the map again. US fighters do the same. As soon as a player controlled bomber, or a fighter reaches the edge of the map, it counts as "100% landed"(in case he is not damaged, otherwise it's 50%)

- points are given as follows: airkills and groundkills like it is already now - in addition, there is a multiplicator, who is influenced by the bomb load that got dropped on the target, and the percentage of bombers who survive the whole sortie.

- as soon as the bomber formation left the map, the next one is spawning, and flying towards the target (or a new target in case this one got completely destroyed)

- what i didn't mention before, regarding German side: Germans have (of course) multiple airfields between the edge of the map, and the bomber target. Always the airfield with the most convenient intercept path for the next 10 minutes gets chosen, when spawning.

 

In all honesty, i got my inspiration for that scenario in War Thunder.

Back then, when i played War Thunder, and there still were the "Daily Events"(rotation between around 25 different historical missions, covering pretty much any important aerial war from WW2), the Guardian Angel event (worked roughly like the one i explained here, with a few alterations, like everyone had airstart, and a few other limitations due to the small maps there) was by far my favourite. Have been absolutely immersive fights up there, between the bomber formations, everywhere you saw explosions, tracers, it felt like a real packed battlefield.

Apart from that - despite the probable more immature audience in War Thunder simulator mode (not as bad as some in here claim, i have never really met any "kids" there), the Guardian Angel event in War Thunder was by far the most realistic simulator experience i saw in open multiplayer servers till the current day. Perfect example, that people have to be forced to certain things (teamwork, formation flying, realistic bomb altitude etc), to get the best out of an experience.

 

If this game mode would be translated into a proper Sim like IL2-Battle of X...i think that's my biggest wish i have towards any software related entertainment medium.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Whatever you do, it needs to be done before DCS completely locks down the WWII arena... or at least a huge majority of it. IL-2 has always been one of my favorite sims, (Before Cliffs of Dover).. Hope it keeps growing..

They only have the late war Western stuff (stuff I do, in fact, really really want in this sim) but overall I think this argument is probably the other way around. DCS better get a move on before Il2 BoX locks down the WWII flight sim market. The speed of design, quality content and release to market has thus far favored 777-1CGS.

Edited January 17, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Trooper117]

WWII combat flight simming has always had a major following... I'm surprised DCS hasn't locked it's sights onto that margin with a couple of decent maps etc.

I'm pretty sure that people who do not have the main focus of their WWII flight sim fix stuck in the eastern front would gravitate towards it...

 

I thought at one stage that DCS would get the Normandy/Pacific/Korea crowd, while the devs here would stay on the eastern front... happiness all round

But DCS continue to slowly drag their heels.

 

The only people continuing to forge ahead in the WWII air combat scene are right here... moving and producing stuff as fast as they can.

If the devs here do decide to move over to the west/Africa/pacific etc, they will be the ones to profit on that score and not DCS... (one can only hope)

[Reagan505]

They only have the late war Western stuff (stuff I do, in fact, really really want in this sim) but overall I think this argument is probably the other way around. DCS better get a move on before Il2 BoX locks down the WWII flight sim market. The speed of design, quality content and release to market has thus far favored 777-1CGS.

 

I agree with that... Especially with DCS taking forever and not producing aircraft based off the arena, but based off what people think look cool / different. One thing is for sure, I'm glad I have another sim to fly instead of DCS.. Nice to be back flying IL-2, missed it a lot. Rise of Flight was pretty cool and looked great, stoked they're involved with IL-2.

WWII combat flight simming has always had a major following... I'm surprised DCS hasn't locked it's sights onto that margin with a couple of decent maps etc.

I'm pretty sure that people who do not have the main focus of their WWII flight sim fix stuck in the eastern front would gravitate towards it...

 

I thought at one stage that DCS would get the Normandy/Pacific/Korea crowd, while the devs here would stay on the eastern front... happiness all round

But DCS continue to slowly drag their heels.

 

The only people continuing to forge ahead in the WWII air combat scene are right here... moving and producing stuff as fast as they can.

If the devs here do decide to move over to the west/Africa/pacific etc, they will be the ones to profit on that score and not DCS... (one can only hope)

 

DCS is absolutely dragging their heels, no doubt about that. I bought both premium games a few days ago, only because I loved the original IL-2 series of sims. I think it's safe to assume a lot of people bought this game mainly for that reason, (and it looked amazing). That's huge and these guys have a massive number of fans who loved, (and still do) the original and updated IL-2 sims.. People who will buy the game just because it's IL-2, which is pretty freaking cool if you think about it. I'm glad I bought both BoS and BoM premiums editions, this sim is amazing and will only get better. If the Dev's lock down the Pacific, North Africa, or do something similar to IL-2 1946, (But way better obviously).. DCS wont stand a chance in this arena, (Not saying their aircraft modules aren't fantastic, etc).  Build up the aircraft inventory, (Like the previous IL-2 series) and just watch this sim continue to get better and better. I loved the original IL-2 series.. Still some of my favorite sims. Not trying to go off topic, but talking about the future developments of IL-2, will the Multiplayer aspect be changed? Still kind of blows my mind we can't host our own games for Co-op missions, etc...

Edited January 17, 2016 by Reagan505

[Fidelity]

This game badly needs co-op and a larger aircraft inventory immediately. This keeps a large amount of players out of this game. More people are interested in teamwork than PVP (just look at how there are always more sp players in these games, historically)

 

I have no doubt that Pacific, Africa, Mediteranean, and Western Front maps will show up in the future. That's not something we need to worry about. It's only a question of order of release .

[BraveSirRobin]

Whatever you do, it needs to be done before DCS completely locks down the WWII arena...

 

So they'll be fine if they get done at some point in the next 10 years...

[Reagan505]

So they'll be fine if they get done at some point in the next 10 years...

 

More like 2-3 years

Edited January 17, 2016 by Reagan505

[Reagan505]

Really looking forward to the release of the JU-88, one of my favorite aircraft.. Maybe keep updating the Axis inventory, but gradually bring the Western Front, (American's & Brits, etc) into it. That way IL-2 doesn't completely stray away from the Eastern Front, keeping everybody in the mix.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Reagan505

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

It will come one way or another. Many aircraft used by the Allied Air Forces between 1941/1942/1943 were present in the Eastern Front through the lend-lease programme, and all German aircraft used in the East were used in the West, North and Mediterranean as well. The inclusion of the P-40E and the MC.202, plus the multitude of Western and Mediterranean front skins for these and all Axis aircraft point towards the future of the game, letting the old Il-2 finally rest after serving the world so well

 

Most bets are around 1942-1943 scenarios if you noted, for this very reason. A P-39 or a P-40 for example can fly over anywhere from the Pacific to the Mediterranean to the Far East to all over the Eastern Front - the P-39N model in particular, that joined the war in the beginning of 1943, was used by some 16 GIAP pilots (like Rechkalov, 3rd highest-scoring Allied ace in WW2) all the way until the Spring of 1945, when the Red Army was on the gates of Berlin!

 

Everything is flexible and reusable, which makes development so exciting whatever way it goes

[LukeFF]

 

 

Whatever you do, it needs to be done before DCS completely locks down the WWII arena... or at least a huge majority of it.

 

Hmm, at DCS's current pace, that means about 30 years.   

[Tenko]

Since they have Stalingrad and Moscow already as maps throw more aircraft in as dlc packs or buy individual ones for 5,10bucks each like DCS.

 

Honestly, if they took the money invested into BoM map and Campaign they coulda turned out more aircraft and sold them as packs and more AI ground units. But I highly doubt 1C would adjust to dlc market,

[SOLIDKREATE]

After some more thought I'd like it keep going.

 

I'd like to see:

 

 

 

IL-2 Sturmovik : Battle of Kuban

 

Germany

• Bf-109G-6 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-109G-14  with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190A-5 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190F-8 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-110G-2 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-123-A1
• Me-410A-1 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-129B-3 - Special A/C set

 

Soviet Union

• La-5F
• MiG-3 Ser 34
• Pe-8
• Tu-2
• Yak-7B
• LaGG-3IT
• Pe-3 BiS
• IL-2 Type 3M - Special A/C set

Edited January 18, 2016 by 6./ZG1=SPEKTRE76

[SC_Manu653]

Spektre76, what's the meaning of Umrust-Bausatze ?

 

Thank you.

[Gunsmith86]

Spektre76, what's the meaning of Umrust-Bausatze ?

 

Thank you.

 

Umrüst- Bausätze = additional equipment ( for example: gun pods, drop tanks, additional radio equipment,... )

[Asgar]

gun pods are actually not a Umrüstsatz but a Rüststand. (R6 for 20mm cannons; R4 for 30mm cannons) 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Umrüstsatze = changes / additional gadgeds added to the design itself (for example nose mounted 30mm cannon for Bf-109 G-6, Erla Haube, bomb attachments, ect)

 

Rüstsätze = optional equipment (wing mounted MG/Cannon pods, design supported bomb racks, ect).

 

A sloppy translation would be:

 

Rüstsatz = Equipment Kit

Um-Rüstsatz = Re-Equipment Kit

[SC_Manu653]

Thank you for the info Gunsmith,Asgar and 5tuka.

[BraveSirRobin]

More like 2-3 years

In 2 to 3 years DCS may have one map and a bunch of aircraft that don't belong on it. And that is the upside.

[TheElf]

 

After some more thought I'd like it keep going.

 

I'd like to see:

 

 

 

IL-2 Sturmovik : Battle of Kuban

 

Germany

• Bf-109G-6 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-109G-14  with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190A-5 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190F-8 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-110G-2 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-123-A1
• Me-410A-1 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-129B-3 - Special A/C set

 

Soviet Union

• La-5F
• MiG-3 Ser 34
• Pe-8
• Tu-2
• Yak-7B
• LaGG-3IT
• Pe-3 BiS
• IL-2 Type 3M - Special A/C set

 

 

This is an excllent list for a Variant Plane pack.  Good Job.

[Reagan505]

In 2 to 3 years DCS may have one map and a bunch of aircraft that don't belong on it. And that is the upside.

 

Hard to argue that.. Their aircraft modules are fantastic... But I'd rather fly WWII ear aircraft within the IL-2 sim & community. IL-2 has always been the best when it comes to WWII and it seems they are on the right track. Looking forward to BoM and the JU-88. IL-2 is just going to get better and better. Can't wait for the day IL-2 comes full circle with numerous theatres and 30 plus aircraft to choose from

Edited January 19, 2016 by Reagan505

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Man, I'm hoping for at least double that aircraft total by the time we come full circle. I know we won't get to the number variants as the original but there are an awful lot of frontline aircraft available from '39-45. Some which probably shouldn't have been frontline but were nonetheless.

Edited January 18, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Reagan505]

Man, I'm hoping for at least double that aircraft total by the time we come full circle. I know we won't get to the number variants as the original but there are an awful lot of frontline aircraft available from '39-45. Some which probably shouldn't have been frontline but were nonetheless.

 

Absolutely dude. After seeing and experiencing how awesome BoS is, I can't even imagine what the future holds for this sim, especially when you think about how many aircraft types participated in WWII. Exciting times ahead... Waiting is the hard part.

[Elbows]

Whatever game/theatre comes next (if we indeed get one) I'd only insist that all current planes be useful.  Even if this means falsifying history, for me and my mates BoS is good...but became quite stale with the tiny selection of aircraft.  BoM is a nice addition and wherever it goes next, even if it's Africa, the Pacific theatre etc. make sure to allow all the BoS/BoM planes.  Besides who wouldn't enjoy some theoretical Russian/Japanese aviation skirmishes over some Pacific islands etc.

 

I think Kuban is the right move if they want to stay in the same area.  I think Africa would be smart and somewhat simple (not such a huge diversity of planes, and we get to add a lot of unique Italian planes).  I'll take anything as long as we don't end up in the same over-used/over-abused Western front in WW2.  If I never see another Mustang vs. 109 I'd be fine.  It's the same with table-top wargaming and other video games..the Normandy theatre just gets beaten into the ground like a dead horse under a Panzer.

 

Pacific could open up a lot of options for unique engagements.  Add the Chinese, New Zealanders in their little Buffaloes etc.  Carrier gaming would be pretty fun.

[Asgar]

 

 

Besides who wouldn't enjoy some theoretical Russian/Japanese aviation skirmishes over some Pacific islands etc.

 

<--- this guy

[Feathered_IV]

Whatever you do, it needs to be done before DCS completely locks down the WWII arena... or at least a huge majority of it. IL-2 has always been one of my favorite sims, (Before Cliffs of Dover).. Hope it keeps growing..

 

At present DCS's selection and release of aircraft and maps puts me in mind of that theorem of monkeys banging away on typewriters.  I think if they ever manage to come up with some cohesive WW2 theatre it will be entirely by coincidence rather than actual intent.

[TheElf]

<--- this guy

 

 

<----- this guy too...at least the theoretical stuff.  You want theoretical Air Battles try WT.  Its rampant with retarded aircraft match ups.  No thanks...

[Porkins]

To the OP's question, I'd love air/sea battles as something new first and foremost. 

 

Second for me would be airborne missions with transports and gliders. They already model people and parachutes with the pilot eject system, and they have soldiers walking (running?) on the ground already as well. Would love missions where you fly transports, or escort transports, or shoot down transports, that are dropping dozens of paratroopers into a drop zone. 

 

This is asking too much, but I'd love to see actual first or third person control of pilots when out of planes. Would be great to parachute out of a burning aircraft and try to get back through enemy lines, or to land and pick up a stranded airman with enemy troops closing in (Rudel has some harrowing accounts of this on the Eastern Front in his biography). This of course would be like bolting a whole new game onto the current game, which likely is too much to ask. But a guy can dream!

[RAY-EU]

Ok Battle of Kursk

Etc...

... Fw 190 A4 vs La 5F

&

Premium:

Fw 190 A5 vs La 5FN

 

Ok Tiger I more later... , but Panzer IV vs T34 bcse is the equivalet T34 .

 

& It would be Great a Remastered of Battle of Satalingrad in Satalingrad City with Infantry and Panzer IV vs T34 .

Il2 BOS has been very Funny , enjoy very much . Thanks very much for this Sim .

[PatrickAWlson]

 

After some more thought I'd like it keep going.

 

I'd like to see:

 

 

 

IL-2 Sturmovik : Battle of Kuban

 

Germany

• Bf-109G-6 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-109G-14  with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190A-5 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Fw-190F-8 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Bf-110G-2 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-123-A1
• Me-410A-1 with all Umrüst-Bausätze upgrades
• Hs-129B-3 - Special A/C set

 

Soviet Union

• La-5F
• MiG-3 Ser 34
• Pe-8
• Tu-2
• Yak-7B
• LaGG-3IT
• Pe-3 BiS
• IL-2 Type 3M - Special A/C set

 

 

 

Taking this list down to 5 each:

 

Germany

• Bf-109G-6
• Fw-190A-5 
• Fw-190F-8 
• Bf-110G-2 
• Hs-129B-3

 

Soviet Union

• La-5F
• Yak-9
• P-39
• Tu-2
• IL-2 43 (Type 3M)

 

Then for the 1944 follow on

Germany

• Bf-109G-14 
• Fw-190A-8
• Fw-190D-9
• Fw-190G-2
• Do217E2 ... because ... why not?

 

Soviet Union

• La-5N
• La-7
• Yak-3
• IL4
• IL-2 44

[Asgar]

 

• Do217E2 ... because ... why not?

why not make it a M-1? it was in mass production from '43 onward form what i remember   (i love that nice round "glas house" cockpit

Edited January 21, 2016 by I./JG3_Asgar