Would you rather have a new Battle of X that follows BOM and BOS(plane capabilities) or would you like something new?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Repro I think.

Ultralight Repro: 

[Frequent_Flyer]

I like Variants too, but not as a new standalone release.  G-4 isn't that much differenet than a G-2.  Ditto the G-6 from the G-4.  Nothing new here...

The 109 started out ugly, all they did is add more lumps and bumps the later variants.  Lets get to the PTO were the axis has a wide variety of fighters instead of the same old 109 and 190.  The Japanese aircraft are much more enjoyable to fly and the landscape is not monotonous like the Eastern front. Where the missions aren't simple flying to the end of the runway at low altitude to encounter small formations of slow under armed disposable aircraft.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The 109 started out ugly, all they did is add more lumps and bumps the later variants.  Lets get to the PTO were the axis has a wide variety of fighters instead of the same old 109 and 190.  The Japanese aircraft are much more enjoyable to fly and the landscape is not monotonous like the Eastern front. Where the missions aren't simple flying to the end of the runway at low altitude to encounter small formations of slow under armed disposable aircraft.

Edited January 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Danziger]

P-51!!!! B-29!!! Murica won the war!!!! Yee Haawwww!!!!!!!!!!

[Feathered_IV]

 

Having recently discovered how the recon and discovery mechanic works in the DED Expert server and how rewarding it can be, I think I'd really enjoy the challenge of scouring the open water for targets.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Having recently discovered how the recon and discovery mechanic works in the DED Expert server and how rewarding it can be, I think I'd really enjoy the challenge of scouring the open water for targets.

 

Baltic Sea? North Sea?

 

 

Stukas and 110 sworking together: 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGdvyQJI2SM

Edited January 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[No601_Swallow]

Malta! 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Malta! 

Murmansk!

[Danziger]

I would love to get the Pacific, Mediterranean, Western Europe, BoB, Africa, Asia, the Aleutians and every other theater and aircraft from the early war biplanes to the late war jets. I just get sick and tired of certain types of people (mainly from my country) whining all the time about having to put up with these Russian planes and Eastern Front battles like some kids who grudgingly eat their vegetables until they can finally have some ice cream. For some reason they can't seem to fathom how the Russians who created this game don't subscribe to the idea that anything important in the war only happened where America was involved and America won the war all by ourselves with a little help from England whose ass we saved from being completely ravaged by Hitler and they should be eternally grateful. The only planes that should be anywhere near the performance of America's finest super planes would be the German planes engineered with legendary German engineering until late in the war when America squashed their factories and German planes we're pieced together from scrap wreckage and whatever German aircraft builders could scavenge. But it was a valiant effort from such a loved and respected enemy.

[Danziger]

And the "tanks" equivalent could be mannable guns on ships.

[Dutchvdm]

What on earth is 'circlejerk', American or otherwise, someone else wrote that a while back and it confused me then?

 

I understand people will never agree and respect that, but I personally don't mind an ocean setting in the same way I don't gaze at the trees and villages in BoS, I'm looking for aircraft/ground targets.

 

 

It's not always about MP either, I only played the original IL2 46 offline and Pacific was my favorite experience.

 

PS. I'm not American (if that matters.)

 

I'm not against a PTO expansion, but from a multiplayer point of view i think Klaus has a valid point. I liked the old Il2 Pacific fighters add-on but i never flew the Japanese aircraft. 

 

On a sidenote: Circle-jerk means a group of people who all tends to agree with each other. That's the nice explanation....

 

Grt Martijn

 

(I'm from the Netherlands)

Edited January 28, 2016 by martijnvdm

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I still think the Spanish Civil War would be very, very interesting and would accommodate a pretty unique and diverse planeset.

[Picchio]

To me, it's what we have right now that can and should be improved. Same design with a new location or aircraft just isn't enough.

 

Unless it's southern Italy, the Mediterranean Sea and North Africa, of course...

 

Edited January 28, 2016 by Picchio

[II./JG77_Manu*]

I am pretty sure, if there is a 1937-mid 1942 Asian/Pacific theatre all people would jump on Japanese planes, and the Allies would have a hard time to fill it's slots. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I still think the Spanish Civil War would be very, very interesting and would accommodate a pretty unique and diverse planeset.

Yeah, but it's really only us two. We could share, you pay half a Million, I pay half a Million and we can have the game to ourselves. I'll fly the 109C, you the I-16 type 5, Done?

[BSS_Sniper]

Doing it the way they are now with the 8/2 concept is fine, HOWEVER, it would be nice if they released aircraft as they were completed as well. I mean, over and above what comes with each module. A good example would be to release a Ju88 as it would work well with what we have at the moment. Yeah, I know it's coming already. Look at all the aircraft in ROF and any other sim, we don't really have many.

Edited January 28, 2016 by BSS_Sniper

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Yeah, but it's really only us two. We could share, you pay half a Million, I pay half a Million and we can have the game to ourselves. I'll fly the 109C, you the I-16 type 5, Done?

 

I really just want to fly the Hs123... Which wouldn't be out of place in these Eastern Front operations, either... Imagine that!

[Saurer]

Actually, you have that wrong. lol in IL2 1946, Zekes vs Wildcats was one of the most populated servers. Look at this place, go online and it's empty. The Eastern front is the reason we have a total of TWO populated serves in the entire game. It's a niche theater in an already niche game. As soon as they expand out of this theater the number of people will grow by at least 2 to 3 times, if not more. As it stands, it's dead in multiplayer and I don't consider two servers with 40-80 people in TWO servers, a good number and the only reason it's so dead is because it's the eastern front. IF/when this is expanded to include American, British and Japanese aircraft and theaters all those other people will join in. There are more people waiting for those theaters and aircraft to buy than are playing right now.

 

If the eastern front is a niche theater all of WW2 was only a minor conflict

Edited January 28, 2016 by Saurer

[BSS_Sniper]

Saurer, on 28 Jan 2016 - 08:42, said:

If the eastern front is a niche theater all of WW2 was only a minor conflict

 

You must've not understood what I meant. When it comes to these sims, not that many are interested in the Eastern front. I didn't mean it was a small theater. Watch what happens when they move on to theaters that include American, British and Japanese aircraft. I don't just mean the Pacific. The number of people and servers will multiply. Again, if you think 2 multiplayer servers is good and shows that this theater is pulling people in...I don't know what to tell you.

Edited January 28, 2016 by BSS_Sniper

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Cough Cough 

You must've not understood what I meant. When it comes to these sims, not that many AMERICANS are interested in the Eastern Front. I didn't mean it was a small theater. Watch what happens when they move on to theaters that include American, British and Japanese aircraft. I don't just mean the Pacific. The number of AMERICANS and servers will multiply. Again, if you think 2 multiplayer servers is good and shows that this theater is pulling ENOUGH AMERICANS in...I don't know what to tell you.

Edited January 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[BSS_Sniper]

6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann, on 28 Jan 2016 - 08:56, said:

Cough Cough 

 

Ummm ok, that's what I meant. Don't forget the British too. The same thing happened in IL2 1946. There weren't all that many people on, mainly the same as it is now in here. Mostly Russians and some Europeans. When they expanded the theater, it exploded with people. Who do you think will make up the majority of people? It certainly isn't going to be the Russians and those that are here now. Look how dead it is. On a good night there are what, 100 people online in all the multiplayer servers. That's TWO decent servers and a few that are locked with 2 or 3 people in them. lol FFS we need more people and if you are relying on more from the countries you are from, you're going to be disappointed. It's sad to look online and see how dead it is and it is one reason and one reason alone, the theater sucks.

 

You're happy with the whopping two servers we have? Maybe in some counties that's awesome. For me, it's pretty bad, sad really.

Edited January 28, 2016 by BSS_Sniper

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Ummm ok, that's what I meant. Don't forget the British too. The same thing happened in IL2 1946. There weren't all that many people on, mainly the same as it is now in here. Mostly Russians and some Europeans. When they expanded the theater, it exploded with people. Who do you think will make up the majority of people? It certainly isn't going to be the Russians and those that are here now. Look how dead it is. On a good night there are what, 100 people online in all the multiplayer servers. That's TWO decent servers and a few that are locked with 2 or 3 people in them. lol FFS we need more people and if you are relying on more from the countries you are from, you're going to be disappointed. It's sad to look online and see how dead it is and it is one reason and one reason alone, the theater sucks.

 

You're happy with the whopping two servers we have? Maybe in some counties that's awesome. For me, it's pretty bad, sad really.

I'm the only German in my Squadron. The others are from all other parts of the world, including Britain and South America. 

I don't think it's about not having enough people, but that the Ground Attackers stay at home or in the Co-Ops because the Servers are built around the fighters, not the Scrubs actually winning the Missions. 

The Problem is with MP Mission Design, not the Aircraft. 

[BSS_Sniper]

I'm the only German in my Squadron. The others are from all other parts of the world, including Britain and South America. 

I don't think it's about not having enough people, but that the Ground Attackers stay at home or in the Co-Ops because the Servers are built around the fighters, not the Scrubs actually winning the Missions. 

The Problem is with MP Mission Design, not the Aircraft. 

 

That's not true at all. On the two servers that people go to, the missions are built around ground attack and there are always people bombing to win the mission. There isn't a problem with mission design as far as the reason for multiplayer being dead.

[LukeFF]

I personally can't imagine anything less interesting than PTO. Staring at Wallpaper is more exciting. All it's gonna end up as is American Heavies hanging upside down, on the moon, waiting to pound on Japanese Rice Paper, nobody will fly Japanese so the Multiplayer is going to be as fair and balanced as Fox News and it's gonna die within days of being released. 

BAD, BAD, BAD and BORING Idea. 

 

It's an American Circlejerk idea. 

 

Edit: Actually ask the Devs to simply make a P-51 with a World of Warplanes Flight Model, make a plain, empty Ocean and the Americans are happy  

 

Wow, such a thoughtful and well-informed post! How long did it take you to type that?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Wow, such a thoughtful and well-informed post! How long did it take you to type that?

17.82 seconds. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

That's not true at all. On the two servers that people go to, the missions are built around ground attack and there are always people bombing to win the mission. There isn't a problem with mission design as far as the reason for multiplayer being dead.

BS. These are thinly disguised Dogfight Servers, which can be seen simply by the distance of Airfields to the Front and GPS Map Markers. 

Edited January 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[II./JG77_Manu*]

To the thing topic about different theatres bringing more people in, i definitely agree with Sniper. I am part of a multi-national squadron, we have people from US, Canada, Brazil, UK, Italy, Croatia, i am the only German (no Russians though). 

We are mostly based in 1946 still, because there you have a proper diversion - Eastern Front, Med, Western, Asia, Pacific..so far i am the only one of our squad participating in dynamic campaign in BoS/M, and when speaking with our squadron leaders (Croatian, Canadian) the answer i got was, we will be waiting to really divert over to BoS, till there is a higher variety of theatres - and that does not mean 3 more on the Eastern Front. It also doesn't mean 200 maps, and 1000 (including modifications) airplane. Just variety in the sense of different theatres/nations.

One med, one western, and one Pacific, and i am pretty sure you would catch the vast majority of flight simmers in the world. There are still a lot out there, who didn't buy or use BoS/M so far, because of that very reason. Especially a lot of more serious squadrons.

Just going for new Eastern theatres won't bring in new customers..it will make the current one's happy, and probably make most of the current customers (including me) going to buy the new theatre, but it won't bring in new ones. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

To the thing topic about different theatres bringing more people in, i definitely agree with Sniper. I am part of a multi-national squadron, we have people from US, Canada, Brazil, UK, Italy, Croatia, i am the only German (no Russians though). 

We are mostly based in 1946 still, because there you have a proper diversion - Eastern Front, Med, Western, Asia, Pacific..so far i am the only one of our squad participating in dynamic campaign in BoS/M, and when speaking with our squadron leaders (Croatian, Canadian) the answer i got was, we will be waiting to really divert over to BoS, till there is a higher variety of theatres - and that does not mean 3 more on the Eastern Front. It also doesn't mean 200 maps, and 1000 (including modifications) airplane. Just variety in the sense of different theatres/nations.

One med, one western, and one Pacific, and i am pretty sure you would catch the vast majority of flight simmers in the world. There are still a lot out there, who didn't buy or use BoS/M so far, because of that very reason. Especially a lot of more serious squadrons.

Just going for new Eastern theatres won't bring in new customers..it will make the current one's happy, and probably make most of the current customers (including me) going to buy the new theatre, but it won't bring in new ones. 

 

Yep, I remember beating the dead horse with Jack and RC a couple of years ago over CloD... Soon as I said "F it, not dealing with this stringent '46 or nothing' mentality anymore." everybody seems to have decided to play CloD.

 

The only thing appealing about 1946 15 years after the fact is the variety of theatres - everything else is lacking. Everything.

Edited January 28, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[Frequent_Flyer]

You obviously no very little regarding the PTO - therefore you are the perfect candidate and in this case the best advertisement for its necessity.- outstanding  job inadvertently proveing my point !!

[MicroShket]

...Japanese Rice Paper, nobody will fly Japanese.

Are you sure about "Rice Paper"? What about Ki-44 at early stage of war or Ki-84 and N1Ks at second half? No need to think in cliches about "rice paper". Especially if take into account that all in-game aircraft has no defects. And don't forget about very interesting attack aircraft.

 

Southeast Asia is a good alternative for PTO. But MTO will be ok, of course. :b

Edited January 28, 2016 by MicroShket

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

You obviously no very little regarding the PTO - therefore you are the perfect candidate and in this case the best advertisement for its necessity.- outstanding  job inadvertently proveing my point !!

Don't misunderstand me. I like the PTO in and of itself, the Ki-43 is very appealing to me and I'd love me some Ki-61-III KAI. But I want the next game to be mainly a game engine upgrade and I simply like the Eastern Front a lot more. 

I would however prefer a Southern Asia Map, with mainly Brits and Japanese Army Fighters. 

[Frequent_Flyer]

Ummm ok, that's what I meant. Don't forget the British too. The same thing happened in IL2 1946. There weren't all that many people on, mainly the same as it is now in here. Mostly Russians and some Europeans. When they expanded the theater, it exploded with people. Who do you think will make up the majority of people? It certainly isn't going to be the Russians and those that are here now. Look how dead it is. On a good night there are what, 100 people online in all the multiplayer servers. That's TWO decent servers and a few that are locked with 2 or 3 people in them. lol FFS we need more people and if you are relying on more from the countries you are from, you're going to be disappointed. It's sad to look online and see how dead it is and it is one reason and one reason alone, the theater sucks.

 

You're happy with the whopping two servers we have? Maybe in some counties that's awesome. For me, it's pretty bad, sad really.

You could not be more correct.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Don't misunderstand me. I like the PTO in and of itself, the Ki-43 is very appealing to me and I'd love me some Ki-61-III KAI. But I want the next game to be mainly a game engine upgrade and I simply like the Eastern Front a lot more. 

I would however prefer a Southern Asia Map, with mainly Brits and Japanese Army Fighters. 

 

If the eastern front is a niche theater all of WW2 was only a minor conflict

From a business interest the Eastern front is a niche theater, its difficult to argue any other point by virtue of the numbers, or rather lack thereof. It offer little variety, it is fought at predominately low altitudes, short distances and small engagements. If you happen to be an axis fan you have a choice of two ho-hum fighters. Its just boring after 30 mins.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Don't misunderstand me. I like the PTO in and of itself, the Ki-43 is very appealing to me and I'd love me some Ki-61-III KAI. But I want the next game to be mainly a game engine upgrade and I simply like the Eastern Front a lot more. 

I would however prefer a Southern Asia Map, with mainly Brits and Japanese Army Fighters. 

You are a fan of the slow , small, short ranged ,altitude challenged  German fighters ( the reason they had to put a inline engine into the 190 airframe towards the end of the war ) that had the advantage over the slower under armed  disposable VVS aircraft. I get it, and your entitled  to your opinion. From a business perspective it would make more sense to review the original IL-2 series. I believe Pacific Fighters was among the best selling installments of the series. I know Zeke's vs. Wildcats was one of the most active servers and in my opion the most enjoyable, no matter what side you flew for. The same cannot be said for the current BOS servers, not much fun flying VVS.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

You are a fan of the slow , small, short ranged ,altitude challenged  German fighters ( the reason they had to put a inline engine into the 190 airframe towards the end of the war ) ...

That's utter nonsene right here. The BMW801 production suffered form material shortages hence why the engine had to be replaced by an moer easily mass produceable type (this decision was very disliked by Kurt Tank but demanded by the RLM).

Edited January 28, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[LukeFF]

 

 

The same cannot be said for the current BOS servers, not much fun flying VVS.

 

ROFL! Where did you get that crazy idea from?

[Frequent_Flyer]

That's utter nonsene right here. The BMW801 production suffered form material shortages hence why the engine had to be replaced by an moer easily mass produceable type (this decision was very disliked by Kurt Tank but demanded by the RLM).

Review your history, the average altitude the USAAF bomber stream flew at was beyond the best perform curve of the BMW801. The BMW801 was originally a copy of an American design, however the Germans never could figure out how to get the high altitude performance out of a radial engine as the US engineers did i.e..( the P-47 unmatched at altitude.) So, they were forced to put in a inline engine, as you are aware has a less desirable power to weight ratio compared to a radial engine. These are the facts, weather you choose to accept them does not matter to me.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

^^The reason I have developed my feelings towards fans or American Aircraft^^

[Asgar]

Review your history, the average altitude the USAAF bomber stream flew at was beyond the best perform curve of the BMW801. The BMW801 was originally a copy of an American design, however the Germans never could figure out how to get the high altitude performance out of a radial engine as the US engineers did i.e..( the P-47 unmatched at altitude.) So, they were forced to put in a inline engine, as you are aware has a less desirable power to weight ratio compared to a radial engine. These are the facts, weather you choose to accept them does not matter to me.

yeah...they figured it out. they used this extremely small and efficient designed supercharger

[Frequent_Flyer]

^^The reason I have developed my feelings towards fans or American Aircraft^^

I am a fan of many Nations aircraft.  I  don't share your myopic view of aviation history, nor do I feel the need to attempt to rewrite aviation history.