Sternjaeger Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 mmmmh cowling I'd say obviously, but not of a single engine.. perhaps something twin-engined? Although what looks like the fairing for a machine gun would say otherwise?
SCG_Tzigy Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 that is exactly what i have been thinking, 2 the guy that owns it says its from a soviet plane, but i would also consider german..
Dakpilot Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Not sure the fairing is for a gun, perhaps an exhaust? which gives credence to an engine nacelle from a twin? Cheers Dakpiot
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 if it's an exhaust port then it is oriented the wrong way, the bit that looks more like it has to do with exhaust is the formed round section on the side with the large opening.
Dakpilot Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Yes unless that is the rear section of the nacelle, as a "gun port" fairing it would seem that the gun would be firing down, or up depending on the orientation of the cowling. anyone got some nice pics of a PE-2 cowling? Cheers Dakpilot
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Looks like a thorough googling is in order. Anyone thing of any fighter, any nation, inline piston with a single gun in the cowling? Edited October 31, 2013 by DD_bongodriver
SCG_Tzigy Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 i think this might be right lower or left upper nose section, which in either case would put the the guns at the sides of the nose/foresection?
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 too much curve to make it a quarter cowling, looks more like either a top or bottom or left or right of a 2 piece
Sternjaeger Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 The first thing I thought was something of the Petlyakov family... any chance we could get some measures?
Sternjaeger Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 let's go by exclusion: 1) it's definitely the cowling off an inline engine 2) it's the very front section, as there is the typical strengthening plate at the front and the hatch for what is probably the access to a coolant or other tank. 3) it's a top cowling: no streaks and no need for a bottom hatch at the end? 4) it is asymmetrical 5) the finish is probably genuine and is uniform. 6) there are distinctive features like a bulge and an exhaust support ring, suggesting a long tubular exhaust on one side. Have I missed anything?
Dakpilot Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 There are fasteners to attach a panel to, it but few latches or fasteners for it to be attached to something else... Cheers Dakpilot
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 wonder why the big hole in one side looks like it was opened with a can opener.
Sternjaeger Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 wonder why the big hole in one side looks like it was opened with a can opener. lol my exact same thought, which further confirms it's probably Russian
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Actually a good way to narrow it down is thinking of what engine it might be, it's inline but has a single wide exhaust so it's got to be a straight inline rather than a vee, I don't know Russian engines so well, any fit that description? Edited October 31, 2013 by DD_bongodriver
MiloMorai Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Why does it have to be an engine cowl? It very well could be the nose cone from say a Pe-2 or Pe-3. Edited October 31, 2013 by MiloMorai
SCG_Tzigy Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 I was thinking the same, nose of a twin engine fighter/bomber (Pe-2, Tu-2, A-20 etc) did some prelim photo search and so far no clear match.. the round bracket is suspicious for exhaust or some sort of air intake.. thx for all the brain storming!
MiloMorai Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 With an exhaust mount? Some Pe had an opening in the bottom of the nose for glazing.
SCG_Tzigy Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 unless a bigass under the nose cannon bracket??, it is all little bit 2 clean for engine cowling...
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 unless a bigass under the nose cannon bracket??, it is all little bit 2 clean for engine cowling... it doesn't look like it has had an engine under it for many years. Some Pe had an opening in the bottom of the nose for glazing. But did they have exhaust mounts?
MiloMorai Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 But did they have exhaust mounts? Sorry but I don't see any exhaust mounts, just an opening.
DD_bongodriver Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Sorry but I don't see any exhaust mounts, just an opening. The round shape at the back of the large opening, looks like an exhaust guide/mount to me.
MiloMorai Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 You mean that oblong shape with half of its cover missing?
DD_bongodriver Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 No, look at the second picture, the big square butchered out hole in the structure, can you not see the perfectly round tubular part which is next to the hub end of the undercarriage leg on the ground?
NZTyphoon Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Patience. Use the force. Think... Be mindful of your thoughts Anakin. They'll betray you.
thx1138 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) Patience. Use the force. Think... Be mindful of your thoughts Anakin. They'll betray you. What part are you talking about ? now all I can think about is the pic's you posted ! (hope my GF does not see this !) BW, my kid has a black Challanger, touch it and youre dead... Edited November 1, 2013 by thx1138
DD_bongodriver Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 PHEW!!! chick in the middle left me with somewhat of a 'diamond cutter'......where were we?
FlatSpinMan Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I always thought that referred to stiff nippular regions. If so, 'interesting' response, Bongers.
DD_bongodriver Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 It may have more universal applications, I always liked the 'cigar butt' analogy for the nippular region.
FlatSpinMan Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Cigar butt. Just digging yourself deeper and deeper. And I am off topic. Excuse me, gents.
DD_bongodriver Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 I was hoping somebody might run with my identify the possible engine idea, I'm thinking inline straight engine probably inverted.
SOLIDKREATE Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 If I had to guess I'd say a LaGG. It has a gun port on one side. Many LaGG's had this including Yak's.
SCG_Tzigy Posted November 3, 2013 Author Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe wrong time period, how about mig-15 or 17?
Sternjaeger Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 mmmh no, the craftsmanship looks like 40s stuff.
JtD Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 Have you already seen a WW2 Russian engine cover from up close? Or better, have a picture? Based on the few clues I've found, I don't think it is what they did back then, but then not all their covers covered Klimovs...
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