IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Moscow Pre-Order Program

[Agilepig]

I will not buy this. 777 destroyed awesome game system.

[Chief_Mouser]

Undecided. I waited before I bought BoS then really wished that I hadn't bothered - plus I missed the fire sale that would have let me skip the unlocks. I keep going back and trying it again but it simply doesn't hold my attention like the original Il-2 did.

I would like an I-16 with the quality of the a/c in BoS, but I can't really push myself to shell out £50+ for the hope of it.

I know what'll happen - eventually curiosity will get the better of me and I'll end up paying full price for BoM; I just wish that BoS had been better so that I'd be sending you my money now. Oh well.

 

Cheers.

 

PS I worry for this forum if you've managed to hack off Extreme One.

[Bearcat]

So you'll edit a post where a member dismissed another member's opinion but you truly feel it's acceptable to suggest that my opinion is unwelcome.

 

That's really objective.

 

 

Because, watching posts disappear and innocent comments get edited due to some weird paranoia, watching the White Knights valiantly battling against the forces of evil, it's entertaining stuff.

I wasn't aware that you had to actually own the game before you were allowed to post here.

See, I don't care for the game, now. The reasons are patently obvious.

But maybe one day things with the game will improve, so, if it's OK I might come and read these forums once in a while.

 

Pardon my tardiness in addressing your post... It has been a very full and rewarding I might add day for me..

 

Where did I dismiss your opinion? I asked you why you are still posting here if you were so disgusted with the sim that you gave away your copy... in a big grand announcement.. that was removed once your stated goal was accomplished and the thread was locked as you requested.

 

Objective? Yeah well we do try to be very objective here.. this is why posts like this are still here.. and why posts that could be considered as antagonistic to someone with "issues" with BoS, either real, imagined, exaggerated or what have you ... are edited .. as was the post that you mention. It was not an "innocent" comment... and I am pretty sure that had it not been edited.. either you or someone else would now be going on, either here or elsewhere about how the moderation over here is so bad because people are allowed to say what they want to say to people who are not happy with BoS and those posts do not get edited , yet posts of critics are edited all the time... So it becomes a scenario where we are damned if we do moderate.. and damned if we don't.. Well I refuse to buy into your twisted little Kobyashi Mauru scenario.. and I will moderate how I see fit and as fairly and unbiased as I can until such time as I am no longer moderating on this board.

 

You of course can post here as you like whether you have the sim or not as long as you follow the rules and do not try to stir up nonsense.

 

However... again I have to ask... why bother posting as you do if you are so disgusted as to have given away your copy of the sim? If you feel that badly about it, this forum, the moderation here, and the development team.. as you continually express here and elsewhere then.. why even bother coming here? Why bother posting here? Surely there is a more constructive task that you could be engaged in right now other than this....? Perhaps?

 

Perhaps one day things with this sim will indeed improve to your liking... but in the mean time there are hundreds of folks who are quite happy with what is already here, warts and all, with a great deal of confidence and anticipation for the future of this sim. Hopefully at some point you will be among that number but in the mean time please do not continue to stir discontent and animus towards this team, this forum, it's moderators or this sim... on these boards. What you do elsewhere is your business.. but you will not be allowed to do that here.

 

Call it censorship or whatever you like.

[Freycinet]

Haters will be haters and there will always be a very vocal group of them posting in these forums, many of whom don't even play the sim. Why they do it? - Beats me, I find it as inexplicable as most other well-reasoned people.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Haters will be haters and there will always be a very vocal group of them posting in these forums, many of whom don't even play the sim. Why they do it? - Beats me, I find it as inexplicable as most other well-reasoned people.

There are plenty of threads asking why servers are empty and how to attract new players.

A customer pays $90 for a product then goes online to voice his/her concerns about the way his purchase has changed and the way the development isn't going as he/she had hoped. He is labeled a hater.

The folk labeling are asking the community why nobody is online and how to increase player count.

The answers are in this thread. Folk are explaining why they're not going to pre purchase BoM. They have genuine concerns but are dismissed as haters. If things don't change the next BoX will have fewer and fewer pre purchasers and the labelers will still be asking the same questions with their head still buried in the sand

[Dakpilot]

There are plenty of threads asking why servers are empty and how to attract new players.

A customer pays $90 for a product then goes online to voice his/her concerns about the way his purchase has changed and the way the development isn't going as he/she had hoped. He is labeled a hater.

The folk labeling are asking the community why nobody is online and how to increase player count.

The answers are in this thread. Folk are explaining why they're not going to pre purchase BoM. They have genuine concerns but are dismissed as haters. If things don't change the next BoX will have fewer and fewer pre purchasers and the labelers will still be asking the same questions with their head still buried in the sand

 

I fear you have not been reading long enough here, there is one thing voicing genuine concerns, and done in a civil manner no-one will be labelled a 'hater'

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Rjel]

Why are so few online? Maybe it's BoS and how it's set up. But maybe, for someone who might be new either to this sim or the genre itself, it could be the attitude of the community. I have zero desire to fly with people I can't enjoy. Given a lot of the chippy attitudes I read here, why would I want to waste my time flying with or against some of you?

 

There are some valid viewpoints here. The way they are presented though is another matter all together.

[FlatSpinMan]

Cut all the arguing and whining out. This thread pertains to the discussion of the BoM preorder. Keep comments confined to that. Comments about fanboys, calling people Nazis, moderation policies etc will get moderated.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I'm telling you. Once you get into a good scrap against a foe. All thus garbage.on the forums turns into just that. Garbage. BOS is fun, it's rewarding, and I look forward to BoM Being the same. Sure there are some features I'd like to see added/improved upon. Thats pretty much every game I've ever played.

 

The Haters gonna hate. I'm glad I don't get that wrapped up over this cap lol. I just have fun with my friends. Its a much more rewarding state of mind.

 

Hooves.

[beepee]

Hooves_McG' timestamp='1428290107' post='250367'] I'm telling you. Once you get into a good scrap against a foe. All thus garbage.on the forums turns into just that. Garbage. BOS is fun, it's rewarding, and I look forward to BoM Being the same. Sure there are some features I'd like to see added/improved upon. Thats pretty much every game I've ever played. The Haters gonna hate. I'm glad I don't get that wrapped up over this cap lol. I just have fun with my friends. Its a much more rewarding state of mind.

 

Agreed. Less forum viewing for me from now on. No point getting aggravated by garbage.

 

I'm off for a blast of TWB_Eagles Nest if anyone wants an easy target.

Edited April 6, 2015 by beepee

[Cybermat47]

Why are so few online? Maybe it's BoS and how it's set up. But maybe, for someone who might be new either to this sim or the genre itself, it could be the attitude of the community. I have zero desire to fly with people I can't enjoy. Given a lot of the chippy attitudes I read here, why would I want to waste my time flying with or against some of you?

 

There are some valid viewpoints here. The way they are presented though is another matter all together.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Ballermann]

I played yesterday times briefly over Dover Cliffs again different as compared to BOS, now're tastes.

My conclusion is that in the BOS soon develop more realistic is even though I'm not using "everything" agree.

It looks despite the "old graphics engine" of the effects are good in my opinion class, with the engine sounds, I'm not entirely happy.

The 109 sounds a little thin I've seen fly live in Berlin at ILA, the 109, because the sound Cliffs is much more realistic.

The latest patch from the development team is a big step in the right direction, I can only say class.

What bothers me stop the the Laag my opinion much too fast it really was not very popular among pilots, actually it's a lame duck and I am always amazed how the Russian fighters swoop in some cases even faster than the German fighters.

Actually, the developers have earned more confidence, I can still remember a Friday should come as a major update there were problems I have followed the matter.

The boys must have worked through the night to solve the problem, because I think um3 or 4 clock in the morning German time came the update.

Which of the big developers would have made!

As would like Cliffs simply the update come regardless of whether error in it and do not make the BOS guys.

I can festellen no bugs.

Right now I'm going to wait to pre-order I wait well on the standard variant P40 I do not really need, but let's see maybe I still buy premium.

Keep up the development team since her class.

Greeting Ballermann!

[SCG_Neun]

Why are so few online? Maybe it's BoS and how it's set up. But maybe, for someone who might be new either to this sim or the genre itself, it could be the attitude of the community. I have zero desire to fly with people I can't enjoy. Given a lot of the chippy attitudes I read here, why would I want to waste my time flying with or against some of you?

 

There are some valid viewpoints here. The way they are presented though is another matter all together.

I think a Coop option would really help this game a lot.  Just a few like minded friends get together and go out on patrol/mission.

[FlatSpinMan]

Just removed a few pointless irritating posts that were also off-topic, in case anyone's wondering why some posts got "disappeared". No mystery about it, it's just better to have threads that are on-topic and reasonable.

[AvengerSeawolf]

I think a Coop option would really help this game a lot.  Just a few like minded friends get together and go out on patrol/mission.

You can say that again.

[Brano]

Bought immediately when preorder has been anounced.Why?

 

This game has 2 basic elements I consider as most important for me:

1.Unique planeset not available in any other game.Mostly MiG-3 and I-16 are the one I am looking forward to the most.

2.Unique WW2 environment

 

Ofcourse there are drawbacks.Offline campaign being the most pronounced.Jason wrote that he is working on it and it will be 

available to us sooner or later.This game franchise will go on and improve in time without those naysayers.Not thanks to them.

 

Last point,but also very important,is to support CFS development in future.It is endangered genre and it needs all the 

support available.There is no other dev team dedicated to WW2 era on the market.And there will not be one any time soon.If ever.

 

PS:

Thanks to crowdfunding we have legend reborn from 1980s.Elite:Dangerous.And soon to come offline medieval RPG 

Kingdom:Deliverance.It is the way how small studios focussed on non-mainstream genre can finance their products.

[SARFlytitus]

+1

SUPPORT GENRE is the keyword!

[Danziger]

Don't forget about Verdun WWI fps

[Vaxxtx]

 

 

1.Unique planeset not available in any other game.Mostly MiG-3 and I-16 are the one I am looking forward to the most.

2.Unique WW2 environment

 

 

1. Not true.

2. Again, not true.

 

Both things available in other games as well.

[Dakpilot]

1. Not true.

2. Again, not true.

 

Both things available in other games as well.

 

Current Dev supported game? with "real" FM's

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[wellenbrecher]

Not a true Scotsman, yadda, yadda.

Anyway, this "discussion" leads to nothing. At best you'll get another circle-jerk about how great and flawless game A is, how bad game B is and how everyone else is a hater. Same old, same old.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Circle talk.....

[Brano]

1. Not true.

2. Again, not true.

 

Both things available in other games as well.

 

In some parallel universe,for sure 

 

Current Dev supported game? with "real" FM's

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Exactly.Up-to-date CFSs.Thats what we are talking about 

Edited April 8, 2015 by Brano

[StG2_Manfred]

In some parallel universe,for sure 

 

 

Exactly.Up-to-date CFSs.Thats what we are talking about 

Didn't want to bother to go in the argument: Also I almost wanted to give you a '+1' for your CFS needs support post.

 

But honestly, those are exactly the unobjective posts which misleads the debate.

 

He's right when he says that the planeset isn't unique and @Dakpilot: When he said something about Dev supported?

 

It's the same as with the FM debates, where some people supported it under all circumstances but in the end they (the devs) changed it, so a lot of you must have been wrong.

 

 

Apart from that I'm gonna buy BoM because as said multiple times before, they need support and I see a lot of potential in this sim and also in the devs, which deliver a technically good workmanship.

[J4SCrisZeri]

Ordered.

woah, where does this come from?

I think Im going to order no matter wht

[Brano]

Didn't want to bother to go in the argument: Also I almost wanted to give you a '+1' for your CFS needs support post.

 

But honestly, those are exactly the unobjective posts which misleads the debate.

 

He's right when he says that the planeset isn't unique and @Dakpilot: When he said something about Dev supported?

 

It's the same as with the FM debates, where some people supported it under all circumstances but in the end they (the devs) changed it, so a lot of you must have been wrong.

 

 

Apart from that I'm gonna buy BoM because as said multiple times before, they need support and I see a lot of potential in this sim and also in the devs, which deliver a technically good workmanship.

Planeset is unique because we are talking here about up-to-date CFSs,which are only 2 at the market.Non of them has the planeset of the other.Thats why it is unique.

It is not my problem that some people still live in the past and reffer to the obsolete CFSs which are nowdays considered "arcade" in terms of FM/DM 

[J4SCrisZeri]

Purchased, I'm in.

[361fundahl]

When is first access date? I'll order as soon as I can play alpha/beta

[Urra]

woah, where does this come from?

I think Im going to order no matter wht

Trying to avoid derailing this wonderful endless debate with my new shiny gold bar.

[A-E-Hartmann]

Sad to see all that  .

 When will one can read, something constructive .

BLABLABLA Allways the same thing .

[StG2_Manfred]

Sad to see all that  .

 When will one can read, something constructive .

BLABLABLA Allways the same thing .

 

Yep, this is a REALLY CONSTUCTIVE post! You try to do really better than others....

 

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. This is exactly what I tried to say. Do you have a mirror?

[Zak]

That is coming.

 

[Urra]

That is coming.

 

Very nice....new cloud structure? Edited April 8, 2015 by roaming_gnome

[6./ZG26_Custard]

That is coming.

 

 

 

Looking mighty fine!

Edited April 8, 2015 by OriginalCustard

[Veteran66]

i like the clouds but not the tree colors, look not so naturally

[Veteran66]

the forest need different green, i see only two colors

[BraveSirRobin]

i like the clouds but not the tree colors, look not so naturally

 

 

How can you tell that the colors are wrong when you're looking into the sun?

[Zak]

The way summer looks now is very far from final. I just take the liberty of sharing with you some WIP stuff.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

at veteran88 I would suspect that's the game limitation because of the 2-D trees.. and the way they reflect the suns rays because of this.

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

Mate them trees could be pink for all I care just get me out of this dam snow please