WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Jackfraser24]

13 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Time well spent.  I assume you are retired?

Not quite. Got quite a few years to go before then.

Edited January 8, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

He-111 H-2 - Five Reasons Why

• Would be nice to have an early war (1939-40) He-111H sub-variant in the game for 1941 Odessa, Karelia and Moscow pilot career modes.
• Would also be nice to have if you want to have a Battle of Britain reenactment for multiplayer or if you want to make a YouTube video of it.
• Would be part of an evolutionary chain of He-111s if the H-2, and other He-111Hs were to be made for Great Battles, like there is with the 109.
• Was in the original IL-2 1946 game so it would be good to recreate as many 1946 aircraft as they can for extra revenue.
• The He-111 H-2 was not that different to the He-111 H-6 so development would be relatively quick and easy money.

Sorry I have repeated over and over some of my points.

Edited January 8, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[JG7_X-Man]

Horten Ho 229: One reason why

 

It's the coolest looking aircraft of WW II that could have saw combat if it wasn't sabotaged during it's 2nd test flight.

Edited January 8, 2025 by JG7_X-Man

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Horten Ho 229: One reason why

 

It's the coolest looking aircraft of WW II that could have saw combat if it wasn't sabotaged during its 2nd test flight.

“Could have saw combat”? Yeah, probably the same amount of combat that the He-162 saw at most.

 

It is a cool plane, yes, but there are plenty of other planes I’d like to see like the Pe-3, Hs-123, Bf-110F, Mosquito Mk. IV, Fw-189, IL-2M and Pe-2 (1944) first.

[TempestV]

Un Fatto Italiano chi il mondo invidia!

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

“Could have saw combat”? Yeah, probably the same amount of combat that the He-162 saw at most.

 

It is a cool plane, yes, but there are plenty of other planes I’d like to see like the Pe-3, Hs-123, Bf-110F, Mosquito Mk. IV, Fw-189, IL-2M and Pe-2 (1944) first.

I like your list.

3 hours ago, TempestV said:

Un Fatto Italiano chi il mondo invidia!

I hope they don’t forget the Finnish Fiat G.50 for Karelia. And I’d love to see a few more Italian planes for the Regia Aeronautica units on the Eastern Front like the Fiat CR.42, Mc.200 Serie VII and the Mc.200 Serie XXI. I know they were severely outclassed by more modern contemporary adversaries by 1940-41, but I think it would still be cool to have them.

Edited January 8, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

I personally don’t want to see the Macchi C.200 in the game. In all fairness, adding the C.202 was kind of a mistake — barely saw any action at Stalingrad before being withdrawn, was added to the game because players preferred it over the IAR 80 and there are no official Italian voices. My guess is that North Africa or Sicily after BoM was seriously considered and it would be the stepping stone for that (Italian voices and pilot models would be added there) but when Jason became the Executive Producer decided not to.

 

But I am for the G.50 and CR.42! 

[TempestV]

There is sooooo much for a 3rd Party. Give them the tools people will buy these aircraft AND KOREA!

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, TempestV said:

There is sooooo much for a 3rd Party. Give them the tools people will buy these aircraft AND KOREA!

I like your optimism. 

3 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

I personally don’t want to see the Macchi C.200 in the game. In all fairness, adding the C.202 was kind of a mistake — barely saw any action at Stalingrad before being withdrawn, was added to the game because players preferred it over the IAR 80 and there are no official Italian voices. My guess is that North Africa or Sicily after BoM was seriously considered and it would be the stepping stone for that (Italian voices and pilot models would be added there) but when Jason became the Executive Producer decided not to.

 

But I am for the G.50 and CR.42! 

I agree that we need Italian and Romanian voice actors for the Mc.202 and the IAR.80/81 collector planes respectively.

Edited January 9, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

7 hours ago, TempestV said:

Un Fatto Italiano chi il mondo invidia!

Question. If you could ask for 10 aircraft for Great Battles, and they would do it, what would you choose?

[TempestV]

First a N.African, Sicily or Italy map

All European
Fieseler Fi 156
Focke-Wulf Fw 189
Dornier 217 [with FRITZ X and supply bundles [that can be used on He111]
Macchi C200
Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero
Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 (Finnish Map)
Dewoitine D.520
Fairey Swordfish

Brewster Buffalo (Finnish Map)

Catalina PBY

A.I.
B17, B24, Lancaster, Halifax or Stirling, HE177, FW200

 

But I will buy anything with the current game engine. I pray it becomes Il2 GREAT BATTLES 1946🙏

 

 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2025 by TempestV

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, TempestV said:

First a N.African, Sicily or Italy map

All European
Fieseler Fi 156
Focke-Wulf Fw 189
Dornier 217 [with FRITZ X and supply bundles [that can be used on He111]
Macchi C200
Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero
Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 (Finnish Map)
Dewoitine D.520
Fairey Swordfish

Brewster Buffalo (Finnish Map)

Catalina PBY

A.I.
B17, B24, Lancaster, Halifax or Stirling, HE177, FW200

 

But I will buy anything with the current game engine. I pray it becomes Il2 GREAT BATTLES 1946🙏

 

 

 

 

I think the game needs a late war Eastern Europe module cantered around the Battle of Berlin and the Vistula-Oder Offensive module, though at this point in time I don’t see it happening. But I won’t go on about that here as this is not up for discussion on this thread. But if a third party development team got around to doing it they should do these planes. 

 

German

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20
• Hs-129 B-3 (the duck with the big anti-tank cannon)
• Ju-88 S-1

Soviet

• B-25H
• IL-2M
• IL-4
• La-7 Late 1944
• Yak-9U

[Jackfraser24]

He-111 H-20 - Three Reasons Why

• We really need some German 1944-45 era bombers for Normandy and Bodenplatte and Normandy and the upcoming Odessa and Karelia pilot career modes. The He-111 H-20 would be a good place to start because they could base this model off of existing ones, specifically the H-16.
• The He-111 H-16s were probably not the majority of He-111H’s in service in the 1944-45 period though please correct me if I am wrong. Still, I think that it would appropriate for the H-20 to appear in Normandy and Bodenplatte pilot career mode and in AQMB over the H-16. 
• The He-111 H-20 would act as another source of income and be relatively easy money too for 1CGS to gain from it, if they base the modelling off of the H-16. I understand that this would still would cost money and time they would rather devote to Korea, but I think this plane needs to be done.

[TempestV]

I'd buy it. I don't care if they have Luftwaffe/RAF/RU/American training planes ...I'd buy it.

Map(s) of Eastern Europe would be nice. I like playing with the editor how about a map dlc.

Edited January 9, 2025 by TempestV

[Jackfraser24]

12 hours ago, TempestV said:

I'd buy it. I don't care if they have Luftwaffe/RAF/RU/American training planes ...I'd buy it.

Map(s) of Eastern Europe would be nice. I like playing with the editor how about a map dlc.

I would too, but I think that we need these aircraft to fill in absent roles currently in pilot career mode. Namely, the:

 

Allied

• A-20G (Kuban, Normandy and Bodenplatte)
• A-26A (Normandy and Bodenplatte)
• Beaufighter Mk.VIc
• B-25D (Normandy and Bodenplatte)
• B-26B (Normandy and Bodenplatte)
• IL-4, (Stalingrad and Kuban)
• Pe-2 series 205 (Kuban)
• Pe-3bis (Moscow, Stalingrad and Kuban)
• Wellington Mk.X (Normandy and Bodenplatte)
• Yer-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad and Kuban)

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Do-217 E-2 (Eastern Front)
• Do-217 K-1/M-1 (Eastern and Western Fronts)
• Fw-190 A-4 (Kuban)
• He-111 H-20 (Western Front)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• He-177 A-5 (Eastern and Western Fronts)
• He-219 A-0 (Western Front)
• Ju-87 B-2 (Eastern Front)
• Ju-87 D-5 (Eastern and Western Fronts)
• Ju-88 G-7 (Western Front)
• Ju-88 S-1 (Western Front)
• Ju-188 E-1 (Western Front)

[Jackfraser24]

He-162A - Five Reasons Why

• Very interesting design. Also a death trap. Would be lots of fun to fly. A challenge though trying to keep the structure together, never mind keeping yourself in it from being shot down. Such a joy to fly!
• The He-162 would be good to see it in pilot career but like the Ta-152, the pilot career path for it would have to be fabricated or greatly exaggerated for it to be worthwhile flying the plane in pilot career mode.
• Would also be good to have the He-162 as an option to fly it in Advanced Quick Mission Builder in an attempt to fight it against USAAF and RAF bomber squadrons. Would add some aircraft diversity to the game play.
• The He-162 would come in two variants - the A-1 and the A-2. Both had some differences from each other such as having different armament, and that’s about it. Still, it’s a valid point. Agree? 
• Would be an easy target in pilot career mode, AQMB and in multiplayer. You’d just need the speed to keep up with it, or the right time or good aiming if you want to shoot it down.

Edited January 10, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

lol.  I see that touching grass didn’t last very long.  Jack, they’re not doing any of this.  GB development is done.  Finito.  No mas.  Over. Done.

[Jackfraser24]

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

lol.  I see that touching grass didn’t last very long.  Jack, they’re not doing any of this.  GB development is done.  Finito.  No mas.  Over. Done.

I know. I just want to promote the planes as best as I possibly can regardless. It’s a challenge for me over the holidays.

Edited January 10, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, Jackfraser24 said:

I know. I just want to promote the planes as best as I possibly can. It’s a challenge for me over the summer.

Why?  They’re done.  None of this is happening.  If you’re going to post stupid lists of aircraft that will never happen, at least move on to the next product.

[BraveSirRobin]

For the most part the regulars on this forum are WW2 aircraft experts.  You don’t need to list the aircraft that fought in WW2.  We know.

[TempestV]

28 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

He-162A - Five Reasons Why

• Very interesting design. Also a death trap. Would be lots of fun to fly. A challenge though trying to keep the structure together, never mind keeping yourself in it from being shot down. Such a joy to fly!
• The He-162 would be good to see it in pilot career but like the Ta-152, the pilot career path for it would have to be fabricated or greatly exaggerated for it to be worthwhile flying the plane in pilot career mode.
• Would also be good to have the He-162 as an option to fly it in Advanced Quick Mission Builder in an attempt to fight it against USAAF and RAF bomber squadrons. Would add some aircraft diversity to the game play.
• The He-162 would come in two variants - the A-1 and the A-2. Both had some differences from each other such as having different armament, and that’s about it. Still, it’s a valid point. Agree? 
• Would be an easy target in pilot career mode, AQMB and in multiplayer. You’d just need the speed to keep up with it, or the right time or good aiming if you want to shoot it down.

 

[TempestV]

You should try the He-162 in XPlane (I have XP11 but it is in 12). Fun -but a ☠️eathtrap. Landing is touchy. You can fly it without the underwing rockets.

 

[tattywelshie]

4 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

He-162A - Five Reasons Why

• Very interesting design. Also a death trap. Would be lots of fun to fly. A challenge though trying to keep the structure together, never mind keeping yourself in it from being shot down. Such a joy to fly!
• The He-162 would be good to see it in pilot career but like the Ta-152, the pilot career path for it would have to be fabricated or greatly exaggerated for it to be worthwhile flying the plane in pilot career mode.
• Would also be good to have the He-162 as an option to fly it in Advanced Quick Mission Builder in an attempt to fight it against USAAF and RAF bomber squadrons. Would add some aircraft diversity to the game play.
• The He-162 would come in two variants - the A-1 and the A-2. Both had some differences from each other such as having different armament, and that’s about it. Still, it’s a valid point. Agree? 
• Would be an easy target in pilot career mode, AQMB and in multiplayer. You’d just need the speed to keep up with it, or the right time or good aiming if you want to shoot it down.

And @LukeFF has got a soft spot for it as well!

[LukeFF]

Yes, I modeled the cockpit for it in IL2 1946. A unique plane that was ultimately more deadly to its pilots than the enemy.

[Jackfraser24]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes, I modeled the cockpit for it in IL2 1946. A unique plane that was ultimately more deadly to its pilots than the enemy.

So you have some sort of special connection with the He-162 then, would I be right or not right in saying this? Would you like to see it in Great Battles?

[LukeFF]

Well, I became interested in it because a museum near me has one in their collection. It would only make sense in GB if north-central Germany was modeled, as that's where it saw (very) limited combat.

[tattywelshie]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Well, I became interested in it because a museum near me has one in their collection. It would only make sense in GB if north-central Germany was modeled, as that's where it saw (very) limited combat.

Very pretty aircraft I always thought and was rated quite highly by Eric Brown I seem to remember 

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

It would only make sense in GB if north-central Germany was modeled, as that's where it saw (very) limited combat.

Even I don’t think that is going to happen. There is no way I could build a case as to why a North Central Germany map should be made. The Luftwaffe was virtually destroyed at this point so there would not be much of an air battle here. But I know that’s a discussion for another thread.

Edited January 11, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

He-177A - Five Reasons Why

• I think we need a He-177A in Great Battles for Battle of Normandy and Battle of Bodenplatte pilot career and AQMB. It would enrich the gameplay by making it more historically accurate and help diversify the range of German bombers in the game. The He-177 was used in the Baby Blitz before the invasion of Normandy.
• The He-177A would come in several sub-variants which are the A-1, A-3 and A-5. My point here is is that you could do many more types of missions with this bomber besides conventional level bombing, such as ground attack, tank destroying and dive bombing, which I would not advise for such an aircraft. 
• The He-177A had good defence armament, which would be well liked amongst players who buy it. Would be a challenge for those who want to fight it, or end up encountering it in pilot career mode or in AQMB. Also has a good bomb load of ~6,000 kg and it had good cockpit visibility due to its glass nose.
• The He-177 would be a valuable bomber to have in multiplayer for Axis players. With its high bomb load, long range of 5,000 km, and a relatively high speed of 462 km/h, it would help give Axis forces a massive victory on the virtual battlefield when it comes to bombing air fields and other important infrastructure with a high yield. 
• The He-177 would take a long time for 1CGS to build and money that could be spent on the new game. But IF they did decide to built such a plane, but I think it would sell very well in Great Battles. I think we need another modern combat flight simulator other than WarThunder that has this plane you can fly.

[Jackfraser24]

He-219A - Five Reasons Why

• The He-219 would be an awesome night fighter to have in Great Battles. It  was great at shooting down bombers. It had a decent top speed (616 km/h), powerful engines (1,800 hp each) and was armed with four 30mm MK 108s, two 30mm MK 103s, and two 20mm MG 151/20 cannons (A-7 specs).
• No other modern combat flight simulation game has the He-219 other than War Thunder. Not that I have anything against War Thunder, but I would much rather purchase a plane rather than having to play a long time to get it, or have to pay for a subscription to have it.
• The He-219 saw service in the Benelux region, from June - September 1944 so it would have a place in pilot career mode by contributing to enriching the gameplay  by adding plane diversity. Same for Bodenplatte AQMB (if night missions were available to do).
• I think the game is lacking planes in the likes of the He-219 and other night fighters. It would be really fun to fly bomber destroyer missions in these planes where you have to operate in the dark and use nose radar to find and shoot down enemy bombers like the B-25 and the B-26.
• The He-219A would come in many sub-variants such as the preproduction A-0, which was still fighter capable; the A-2 which had longer engine nacelles, and extra fuel tanks; and the A-7, which was an improved version for night fighting. Also, there is a surviving specimen to study in Virginia, USA.

[Jackfraser24]

Ju-86E - Three Reasons Why

• The Ju-86E as a collector plane for Great Battles, would come in two variants - the E-1 and the E-2. The E-1 had the BMW 132 series F engines while the E-2 had the BMW 132 series N engines. The difference was horse power, here the series N was up-rated and more powerful.
• The Ju-86 E-2 was used at Stalingrad in significant numbers (58 units) to supply the German Sixth Army so it would help enrich the gameplay in Battle of Stalingrad pilot career and Advanced Quick Mission Builder by contributing to aircraft diversity (I understand this is a recurring point).
• The Ju-86 exists only in one modern combat flight simulation game. War Thunder. I know I have repeated this point several times already but I think why should War Thunder be the only modern combat flight simulation game that has it, and why should players have to play so long to get it?

[Enceladus828]

These are planes I'd like to see in GBs based on the categories listed below.

 

Simple variants of aircraft already in the game (likely to train new modellers):

Pe-3, Bf-110F, IL-2M, P-47M, and Pe-2 (1944)

 

Aircraft variants requiring much more work:

A-20G and Mosquito Mk. IV

 

Entirely new planes:

Hs-123, Fw-189, AI B-17 or B-24, flyable B-25, BE2c, Rumpler C.IV, Aviatik C.I, and Caudron G.IV

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

These are planes I'd like to see in GBs based on the categories listed below.

 

Simple variants of aircraft already in the game (likely to train new modellers):

Pe-3, Bf-110F, IL-2M, P-47M, and Pe-2 (1944)

 

Aircraft variants requiring much more work:

A-20G and Mosquito Mk. IV

 

Entirely new planes:

Hs-123, Fw-189, AI B-17 or B-24, flyable B-25, BE2c, Rumpler C.IV, Aviatik C.I, and Caudron G.IV

These are planes I would like to see in Great Battles:

Allies:

• A-20G
• A-26B
• B-25B Flyable
• B-26B Flyable
• IL-2M
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 Series 66
• P-38L
• P-39Q
• P-40M
• P-40N
• P-47N
• Pe-2 205 Series
• Pe-2 359 Series
• Pe-3bis
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa/b
• Yak-9D

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Bf-110 C-4
• Bf-110 F-2
• Do-217 E-2
• Do-217 K-1
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 S-1
• Ju-188 E-1
• Mc.200 Serie 21

Edited January 16, 2025 by Jackfraser24

[LukeFF]

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

[Aurora_Stealth]

On 1/16/2025 at 6:05 AM, LukeFF said:

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

 

Prepare yourself Luke, you may be about to receive a "five reasons why" bullet point breakdown of how this could all be very simple in theory according to Armchair Aviation Services Ltd here 😄

 

These wish lists really aren't helping determine what types would add best value to the game. Arguments can be made for any aircraft, but I'd urge people to focus on which aircraft have the most value in terms of their operational impact, their overall scale of deployment in service and importantly how likely they will actually be used by players ingame (utility, playability in game environment, and popularity/saleability).

Edited January 18, 2025 by Aurora_Stealth

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

And I appreciate the fact that it takes a lot of time, money and resources.

[JG7_X-Man]

BoB Collectors Pack $100 USD

 

Spitfire Ia/Ib

Spitfire IIa/IIb

Fairey Swordfish

 

Bf 109E-4

Fw 190A-2

Fw 190A-4

Do-17

Edited January 18, 2025 by JG7_X-Man

[Aurora_Stealth]

9 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

BoB Collectors Pack $100 USD

 

Spitfire Ia/Ib

Spitfire IIa/IIb

Fairey Swordfish

 

Bf 109E-4

Fw 190A-2

Fw 190A-4

Do-17

This is covered by Cliffs of Dover, it's going to include the early Fw190's and Swordfish among everything else in the upcoming development "Fortresses and Focke Wulfs".

 

There's not much point duplicating that effort. A comprehensive upgrade to graphics, visuals, VR and other systems is being tested and is finally maturing for CoD. With some luck it should come to fruition in the second half of this year. 

Edited January 18, 2025 by Aurora_Stealth

[OlympiyskiyM]

 

[JG7_X-Man]

Cliffs of Dover? Never heard of it.