Dev Blog #367: Odessa and Karelia News

February 23

3 hours ago, Kapteeni said:

But Gulf of Finland, Karelia is so big that it is Hard to make. I just hope that it will not be abandoned.

Approximately 40% of the map is water (Gulf of Finland and Lake Ladoga). It's not that bad))

February 23

13 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I find it interesting that the developers said, at one point, that an early war module was very unlikely... and yet we are getting one (or half of one). I think this goes to show that we should never entirely rule out anything.

This is all thanks to the third party developers making these maps. We wouldn't get this module without them.

February 23

On 2/22/2025 at 9:25 AM, BlackSix said:

The same situation is for the Battle of Leningrad. Also we'll use a lot of planes from the other projects (BoM, BoS, BoK) and collector planes.

So you want to say that for Karelia wouldn`t be any new ,,dedicated,, Finnish planes like G.50 , Brewster , Curtiss 75 or maybe MS-406 ?And they be only sold separately as Collector Planes ?

February 23

10 hours ago, BlackSix said:

Approximately 40% of the map is water (Gulf of Finland and Lake Ladoga). It's not that bad))

Indeed, but it will have Leningrad, which is huge task. Anyways, patiently waiting!!

February 23

2 hours ago, LW_Pilot777 said:

So you want to say that for Karelia wouldn`t be any new ,,dedicated,, Finnish planes like G.50 , Brewster , Curtiss 75 or maybe MS-406 ?And they be only sold separately as Collector Planes ?

I believe no one can guarantee that third-party developers will complete these additional aircraft. For our part, right now we can promise only these 8 above-mentioned aircraft, which we create ourselves. In 1941, the FAF used Hurricanes and captured I-153, by 1944 they received Bf 109 G and, I think, Ju 88, all of this will be included in the careers.

February 23

Guys, regarding mods:

Ju 87 D-5:

G-2 Antitank mod

Stuvi

Droppable wheels feature

WB81

Flame Dampers

Jumo 211P

For LaGG-3 - its armament (1x20 mm, 1x12.7 mm and 2x7.62 mm), and 105P engine - make it a Series 4 version

Yak-1 - it has an early canopy (with transparent back) 105P in base and PA - as a mod, w/o radio by default - with radio mod - it will be a series 23 version.

February 23

On 2/21/2025 at 4:57 PM, LukeFF said:

Yes, and the 601Aa

Is there a chance to have the 601N and 601Aa mods also added to the Bf 109 E-7 and Bf 110E-2? iirc it was a common retrofit for them by 1941

February 24

2 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Is there a chance to have the 601N and 601Aa mods also added to the Bf 109 E-7 and Bf 110E-2? iirc it was a common retrofit for them by 1941

I wouldn't count on it, as that would mean new flight model calculations would need to be done.

February 24

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Guys, regarding mods:

Ju 87 D-5:

G-2 Antitank mod

Stuvi

Droppable wheels feature

WB81

Flame Dampers

Jumo 211P

For LaGG-3 - its armament (1x20 mm, 1x12.7 mm and 2x7.62mm), and 105P engine - it will be series 4 version

Yak-1 - it has an early canopy (with transparent back) 105P in base and PA - as mod, w/o radio by default - with radio mod - it will be series 23 version.

I think the wing-mounted 20 mm cannon armament is standard on the D5. Is that correct?

February 24

1 hour ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

I think the wing-mounted 20 mm cannon armament is standard on the D5. Is that correct?

Yes. It also had a larger wingspan than the D-3.

February 24

This is a really promising update, looking forward to it.

Will the earlier VVS aircraft find their way into early campagins, like Battle of Moscow?

The Slovak airforce also used the Bf-109E-4, is there any scope of that?

Many long desired by me VVS birds, early & late, very happy that they ditched the ridgid addon format that filled out the Luftwaffe hangar to the rafters

February 24

30 minutes ago, Pict said:

Will the earlier VVS aircraft find their way into early campagins, like Battle of Moscow?

We will be ready to add I-153 to the BoM, BoS and BoK careers and LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 to the BoS career.

LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 were also used en masse in the Battle of Moscow but we have not yet done any research on this, perhaps this will be done later.

February 24

On 2/22/2025 at 8:25 AM, BlackSix said:

Battle of Odessa 1941 Career:

Bf 109 E-4

I-153

Yak-1 m.1941

LaGG-3 m.1941

Battle of Odessa 1944 Career:

Ju 87 D-5

IL-2 m.1944

Yak-3

La-7

The same situation is for the Battle of Leningrad. Also we'll use a lot of planes from the other projects (BoM, BoS, BoK) and collector planes.

I am surprised not to see any new bomber. We still do not have any Soviet level bomber and the Do17/217 still missing ...

On 2/22/2025 at 8:25 AM, BlackSix said:

Battle of Odessa 1941 Career:

Bf 109 E-4

I-153

Yak-1 m.1941

LaGG-3 m.1941

Battle of Odessa 1944 Career:

Ju 87 D-5

IL-2 m.1944

Yak-3

La-7

The same situation is for the Battle of Leningrad. Also we'll use a lot of planes from the other projects (BoM, BoS, BoK) and collector planes.

I am surprised not to see any new bomber. We still do not have any Soviet level bomber and the Do177217 still missing ...

Edited February 24 by =gRiJ=Roman-

February 24

22 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

I am surprised not to see any new bomber. We still do not have any Soviet level bomber and the Do177217 still missing ...

A-20, B-25, Li-2 and Pe-2 - all of them were used as day or night level bombers on the Eastern Front)

Bombers are very expensive and time-consuming to make, while our team has increased only slightly, and most players will prefer fighters and ground attack aircraft. Also, please don't forget that our main priority now is still Korea and the accompanying engine update and innovations, on the success of which our future depends.

February 24

1 hour ago, BlackSix said:

We will be ready to add I-153 to the BoM, BoS and BoK careers and LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 to the BoS career.

LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 were also used en masse in the Battle of Moscow but we have not yet done any research on this, perhaps this will be done later.

This is exciting, think it's great that we are getting new updates to these career modes, really breathes new life into the game

February 24

On 2/22/2025 at 10:22 AM, YoYo said:

Now all that's left is to wait for the scripted campaign for Chaika from @BlackSix 😊(just idea!).

I'd be into this if it was largely a ground attack campaign... fighting in Odessa followed by close air support in Kuban?

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Guys, regarding mods:

Ju 87 D-5:

G-2 Antitank mod

Stuvi

Droppable wheels feature

WB81

Flame Dampers

Jumo 211P

For LaGG-3 - its armament (1x20 mm, 1x12.7 mm and 2x7.62 mm), and 105P engine - make it a Series 4 version

Yak-1 - it has an early canopy (with transparent back) 105P in base and PA - as a mod, w/o radio by default - with radio mod - it will be a series 23 version.

Based on earlier statements the I-153 will have the option to replace two of the 7.62mm with one 12.7mm (but no I-153P).

The screenshots also show the LaGG-3 with rockets (implying field modifications to a slightly later standard for ground attack... so, effectively, a s.11 as well).

On the whole, quite exciting. I'm glad the D-5 has flame dampers as an option - the attention to detail really helps with realism. By the way, they showed up on the Pokhorovka map towards the end... so that means they'll technically be usable on that map as well (if anyone wants to make missions). It'd be nice if the Ju-88A-4 received the Stuvi - but I understand that resources are limited!

February 24

5 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We will be ready to add I-153 to the BoM, BoS and BoK careers and LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 to the BoS career.

LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 were also used en masse in the Battle of Moscow but we have not yet done any research on this, perhaps this will be done later.

Great news made even better, thanks !!

February 24

4 hours ago, BlackSix said:

while our team has increased only slightly,

I might have got this wrong, but on one of the dev briefs previously, I thought it was stated that the team had grown more than 'only slightly'?

February 24

4 hours ago, BlackSix said:

Bombers are very expensive and time-consuming to make, while our team has increased only slightly, and most players will prefer fighters and ground attack aircraft.

With all due respect, any chance of seeing the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2? Those aircraft saw extensive use on the Eastern Front and would be of interest to players (Pe-3 would give the Ju-88C-6 another rival). They’re conversions of aircraft already in the game, thus would be good aircraft for new modellers to make.

February 24

51 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

With all due respect, any chance of seeing the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2?

I can't answer but we definitely don't need them for the Odessa or Leningrad careers in 1941.

February 24

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

I might have got this wrong, but on one of the dev briefs previously, I thought it was stated that the team had grown more than 'only slightly'?

If I remember correctly it was to something around 150 employees

February 24

8 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We will be ready to add I-153 to the BoM, BoS and BoK careers and LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 to the BoS career.

LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 were also used en masse in the Battle of Moscow but we have not yet done any research on this, perhaps this will be done later.

Certainly hope to see them in BOM, would be really nice to fight something other than the current VVS fighters in BOM.

February 24

2 hours ago, BlackSix said:

I can't answer but we definitely don't need them for the Odessa or Leningrad careers in 1941.

Out of curiosity - will the Ju-87D3 stand in for the Ju-87B/Ju-87R?

February 24

2 hours ago, BlackSix said:

I can't answer but we definitely don't need them for the Odessa or Leningrad careers in 1941.

Maybe the Bf 110 E1 would be a good alternative to the F2. With the stronger engines it could not only fly ground attack missions, but also fighter missions, the E2 with the engines it has in game shouldn't be flying at all, following the developers argumentation, why it is equipped with them (purely a ground attack version).

February 24

2 hours ago, Koziolek said:

If I remember correctly it was to something around 150 employees

That's the studio, there are people working on other titles as well (Caliber, Deathless, War of the Worlds Siberia).

February 24

Finally some good red planes in the eastern front to fight blues.

Long live to Yak3 and La7

Here a video of the assembly this year of a Yak7B, they also have a Yak3 that are setting a new engine

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGUchLgh0PV/?igsh=a2s0bnFtamlxbDFl

Edited February 24 by ECV56_Necathor

February 25

13 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Out of curiosity - will the Ju-87D3 stand in for the Ju-87B/Ju-87R?

No. We didn't do that for the Battle of Moscow, where the D-1s started appearing.

10 hours ago, Aleksander55 said:

Please add an official career for the I-16 at Kuban as well, they were there like the I-153s. And if any I-16s were used during winter in Stalingrad as well, I'd like to see them in the career.

There will be a new 975th fighter regiment armed with I-16 and I-153 for Kuban.

You need to check 629 IAP PVO in the last BoS chapter, there were I-16s and Hurricane IIBs

February 25

23 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes. It also had a larger wingspan than the D-3.

I truly hope that D-5's skin template does not differ too much from D-3 as I've done 19 historical Ju-87 D-3 skins for Detachment Kuhlmey for '44 scenario 😅

February 25

Please let me friendly remind you the incorrect labelling of the oil cooler shutter (Hebel für Schmierstoffklappe) of the JU87 D3, what also should count for the D5 model. Please use the correct labelling „auf/zu“ instead the wrong „ein/aus“. I mentioned it for the D3 in the discord graphics bug section, maybe you can prevent that mistake for the D5 before release.

https://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/cockpitprofil-ju-87-d-5

February 25

Is there a possibility to have Me 109 G10 available for the theatre Odessa 1944 ?

Best regards

February 25

25 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Is there a possibility to have Me 109 G10 available for the theatre Odessa 1944 ?

Battle of Odessa 1944 career ends on August 24, 1944.

February 25

58 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

Battle of Odessa 1944 career ends on August 24, 1944.

Did the La-7 even see action over Odessa? From what I read, it began combat trials in mid-September 1944.

February 25

19 minutes ago, Nickkyboy99 said:

Did the La-7 even see action over Odessa? From what I read, it began combat trials in mid-September 1944.

June 24, but another front. We think that to do.

February 25

just for my understanding is the yak-3 planned to be ready at spring 2025?

February 25

Any chances of there being a Yak 3 or 9 (If there isn't already) that's fitted with the lovely NS45 Autocannon? I'm a novice and am just beginning to educate myself on the discrepancies between the variants of aircraft. I know the 9-T has the 37mm but a 45mm Yak-9K or Yak-3K would really go BRRRRT and that's honestly why we're all here anyways isn't it? I know only ~200ish were built, but it would certainly be a blast... Also, I would like to thank everyone here for creating such a nice and welcoming environment, it has been a pleasure watching the development of the game for the past 2-3 years.

Edited February 25 by mspyker13

February 26

On 2/23/2025 at 4:01 PM, LukeFF said:

Guys, regarding mods:

Ju 87 D-5:

G-2 Antitank mod

Stuvi

Droppable wheels feature

WB81

Flame Dampers

Jumo 211P

Can you tell me the ammo capacity of the MG151/20 cannons? I don't trust the source, but the only one I've seen is from WT, which states 1000 rounds / 500 per gun.

February 27

9 hours ago, FeuerFliegen said:

Can you tell me the ammo capacity of the MG151/20 cannons? I don't trust the source, but the only one I've seen is from WT, which states 1000 rounds / 500 per gun.

Yes, it's 500 rounds per gun.

February 27

The one thing which I find interesting (or appropriate) about discussing unannounced aircraft is the question of whether they even should be present.

It is an interesting question because it helps us understand the history and the scenarios a little bit better.

On 2/24/2025 at 10:06 PM, kraut1 said:

What about the DB3-F(IL-4)? As far as I know a successful plane, used from 41-45 as bomber and torpedo plane.

On 2/24/2025 at 10:16 PM, Aleksander55 said:

From the 3 of them - DB-3, IL-4, SB-2 - The one that can be used in the most scenarios.

Taking this as an example - were any DB-3/Il-4 stationed on either map? The Il-4 is an attractive airplane - and unlike the SB-2 - it could carry a much heavier bomb load than the Pe-2, making it more of an equivalent to a He-111... but from the research I did it seems to have been flown mainly against targets well behind the front line... so the railyard in the Velikiye Luki map was hit by Il-4 (station off-map), but I haven't found much evidence of it being flown on any of the other existing maps.

On the other hand, it seems like a handful of 1941 types (e.g. surviving SB-2, even R-10) were used as part of cobbled together night bomber units.

It is often very hard for people who don't know Russian to effectively research the location and composition of Soviet air units during the war - so the research, and sharing of comments by people like @BlackSix, about this research is really appreciated. I find it fascinating.

Btw. I gather that there were Ar-196 and BV-138 units operated on the Odessa map (mainly flying out of Constanza, and a couple of smaller bases, but also fuelling at Sevastopol after it fell). Also, weren't there A-20G-1 units deployed in the Black Sea theatre? I assume we'd also eventually see some Fw-189 (I found it interesting to discover that they arrived part-way through the Moscow campaign, rather than near the beginning)?

P.S. I'll split off some of the 'wishlist' posts into their own separate thread in a little bit.

February 27

The DB-3F/IL-4 was stationed around Moscow and hit targets (like Avimimus said) well behind the front line, such as Vyazma, but also supply columns and troops concentrations closer to Moscow as the Germans got closer to the city. If you use the MOD that allows to fly over Moscow, then those airfields could be used

***Edit: Also, from what I've read, the DB-3F/IL-4 seems to have been relegated to night-time missions where there was less chance of being shot down by fighters.

--another reason to go with having an SB-2 or Su-2 bomber.

Edited February 27 by CzechTexan

February 27

While it is unlikely in the short term we will see these bombers added just a little information for the historians amongst us is that Finland had some 20+ of the SB types in service, two main versions I think from memory as well as possibly up to 11 or so Pe-2 variants and some 20+ of the DB-3M that were all captured from soviet forces at different times and so if added into the module would benefit players of both sides. :drinks:

The SBs and Pe-2 were used primarily for recce and anti submarine duties throughout the Gulf of Finland, the DB found itself around the Karelian Isthmus initially on long range reconnaissance missions but all would at some time be included in strikes along with the Blenheim, Dornier Do-17 and Ju-88s as needed and dependent on serviceability.

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. :biggrin:

Edited February 27 by Missionbug

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