Blitzen Posted January 29 Posted January 29 …which I have loved for its simple good performance and price- it has had no vices and was easy to set up and use, but now is no longer supported bt Windows 11. It might be time to step up to a more up to date headset…something hopefully in the under $500.00 price range and one that doesn’t require a degree in computer engineering…. So…suggestions?
AEthelraedUnraed Posted January 29 Posted January 29 The Quest 3? I don't have personal experience with the 3, but I've used a Quest 2 for years and I'm very satisfied. Especially for the price. Setting it up should be pretty easy and self-explanatory. 1
Blitzen Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said: The Quest 3? I don't have personal experience with the 3, but I've used a Quest 2 for years and I'm very satisfied. Especially for the price. Setting it up should be pretty easy and self-explanatory. Any of the accesories for it I'm seeing on Amazon worth a look?
BOO Posted January 29 Posted January 29 55 minutes ago, Blitzen said: Any of the accesories for it I'm seeing on Amazon worth a look? Perhaps get it first and see how you get on with it. I bought nearly £300 of the damn things for my lads only to find, despite all the say so in the forums, that stadard mask fitted his face (it murdered mine though) and he prefers the standard strap......er....what I mean to say is YES you do, and can I recommend a AVMI face pad and a a Kiwi elete battery strap that I just happen to have hangin about unopened for the bargain sum of........ 🙂 1
Blitzen Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, BOO said: Perhaps get it first and see how you get on with it. I bought nearly £300 of the damn things for my lads only to find, despite all the say so in the forums, that stadard mask fitted his face (it murdered mine though) and he prefers the standard strap......er....what I mean to say is YES you do, and can I recommend a AVMI face pad and a a Kiwi elete battery strap that I just happen to have hangin about unopened for the bargain sum of........ 🙂 So maybe start with the compfotable mask?
BOO Posted January 29 Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Blitzen said: So maybe start with the compfotable mask? If the Quest I bought was being used by me then the Avmi interface would have been perfect. The stock strap isnt great. We've never fitted the Kiwi strap so I cant comment but again it cant be any worse. I found the strap tended to just pull the unit into my cheek bones without offering much in the way of security. YMMV. If you go for a helo type strap like the Bobo, just be cautiuos about the face pad and the strap not interferring with one another (the main reaosn I went for an elete design). There are of course other facial interfaces.
Aapje Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 6 hours ago, Blitzen said: So maybe start with the compfotable mask? I personally think that a new headstrap is the highest priority. I have this one, which is quite cheap and good: https://www.amazon.com/Flippable-Replacement-Accessories-Enhanced-Adjustable-3/dp/B0CKT3NJRY It does lack a battery, but if you plan to fly with the cable, this is not an issue. Because of the low price, it is not a big deal if you discover that you can't stand the elite-style headstraps and prefer the halo-style. But as others said, it is extremely personal what works for you. The default headstrap works for some. Elite-style works for some and halo for other. The default facial interface fits some people perfectly, while it is horrible for others. You can always just start with the Quest 3 as it comes in the box. Then you will also appreciate any accessories a lot more than if you use them right away. Edited January 30 by Aapje
BOO Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Out of curiousity Ive just refitted the Kiwi strap again. Its hard to tell how much better it is as the quest still has its old facial interface which doesnt fit my face but it feels more confortable and feels more secure without any extra undue pressure. YMMV but I think @Aapje's advice is spot on.
Aapje Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) With the elite-style headstraps, the facial interface comfort is important, because your face gets pushed against the headset. With halo-style there is a lot less pressure on the face. Some people even remove the facial interface altogether when using a halo headstrap, which means that instead seeing black at the sides, you see the outside world. So you lose immersion, but can see your controllers, keyboard, partner, child and dog much more easily. Edited January 30 by Aapje
Blitzen Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 A vital question : I just got a Meta Quest 3S from Amazon and need to know , before opening in what ways it might be better than my old trusty Reverb G2 which I might be able to get working again ( fingers definitely crossed?) SDE? FPS gain? Peripheral vision? Weight and comfort? Any input welcome. Maybe I should ask in a separate posting?
BOO Posted January 30 Posted January 30 35 minutes ago, Blitzen said: A vital question : I just got a Meta Quest 3S from Amazon and need to know , before opening in what ways it might be better than my old trusty Reverb G2 which I might be able to get working again ( fingers definitely crossed?) SDE? FPS gain? Peripheral vision? Weight and comfort? Any input welcome. Maybe I should ask in a separate posting? I think a more vital question might be why did you buy the 3S and not the Q3?
Blitzen Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BOO said: I think a more vital question might be why did you buy the 3S and not the Q3? Q 3 ? No reason in particlar..Should i recosider? It didn't show up on Amazon during a quick search...If I have to replace the Reverb I want a better Headset... Edited January 30 by Blitzen
BOO Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Blitzen said: No reason in particlar..Should i recosider? If I have to replace the Reverb I want a better Headset... I think you should - The 3S uses fresnel lenses and has a less dense display hence the image quality is not as good (the main tthing the Q3 gets praised for at its price point). Others may disagree but nothing Ive seen in reviews of the 3S inspeires me to thinking the $200 saving is worth it for anyone other tha na very very casual VR experimenter. 1
Aapje Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Return it and get the 3. The 3S is not well suited for simming, due to the poor lenses.
Blitzen Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Aapje said: Return it and get the 3. The 3S is not well suited for simming, due to the poor lenses. Ok...but is it a better headset to the ReverbG2 ( again if I can get it working again...with someWindows version or if it isn't broken?) I've found one to buy on Amazon but it is far outnumbered by the 3S model. Edited January 30 by Blitzen
BOO Posted January 30 Posted January 30 36 minutes ago, Blitzen said: Ok...but is it a better headset to the ReverbG2 ( again if I can get it working again...with someWindows version or if it isn't broken?) I think any answer will be subjective and the question isnt a straigh forward one to answer. The G2 was a good headset with great audio but uses older tech, has a dodgy and almost irreplacable cable and suffers from an incoming windows extinction event if you upgrade your OS. The Q3 is a good headset with ok audio but with better edge to edge clarity if perhaps not as good sweet spot according to some reviews, but has no display port capabilty thus requiring image conversion which can cause compression and puts additional load on your gpu as i understands it.
Blitzen Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 49 minutes ago, BOO said: I think any answer will be subjective and the question isnt a straigh forward one to answer. The G2 was a good headset with great audio but uses older tech, has a dodgy and almost irreplacable cable and suffers from an incoming windows extinction event if you upgrade your OS. The Q3 is a good headset with ok audio but with better edge to edge clarity if perhaps not as good sweet spot according to some reviews, but has no display port capabilty thus requiring image conversion which can cause compression and puts additional load on your gpu as i understands it. Oh.....there is that...but what choice do I have in an affordable (?) price range. Last year I really did want to get a cordless Vr headset, but they didn't provide a smooth install that would work easily with GB...
Aapje Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Blitzen said: Ok...but is it a better headset to the ReverbG2 ( again if I can get it working again...with someWindows version or if it isn't broken?) Pretty much what Boo said. With headsets there is also a lot of subjectivity. Different people have different preferences. Some people think that it is a big upgrade due to the edge-to-edge clarity, but others don't like it due to the center possibly being a bit less clear (although with reviews the issue sometimes is that people haven't tuned their new headset). And if you are about wireless, then only the Quest offers that. Quote Oh.....there is that...but what choice do I have in an affordable (?) price range. I don't know what you consider affordable. I think that the Quest 3 is about the same price that the G2 was sold for, so... I personally consider the Quest 3 to be the lowest price headset with acceptable quality. The Pimax Crystal Light is the main alternative, although more expensive and lots of units get shipped with hardware issues.
BOO Posted January 30 Posted January 30 25 minutes ago, Blitzen said: Oh.....there is that...but what choice do I have in an affordable (?) price range. Last year I really did want to get a cordless Vr headset, but they didn't provide a smooth install that would work easily with GB... Thats an easier question to answer - you dont. 🙂 For an number of reasons I decided not to go VR affter I tried IL2 with my lads Christma Present (due dilligence, very important sets up to aviod dissappointment on his little face on Christmas Morning etc 🙂 ) If I had have found myself with a Q3 though- I wouldnt have been dissappointed.
BOO Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Blitzen said: I guess the last word always is: I am certain at some point in every development cycle there comes a meeting entitled "What shall be leave out to ensure it not the thing eveyone have been asking for since ,like, forever?".
Blitzen Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 So with the Quest3 I can say goodbye with having to check in with Microsoft MiXed Reality Portal , but WILL work with Steam VRwithout a problem?
BOO Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Blitzen said: So with the Quest3 I can say goodbye with having to check in with Microsoft MiXed Reality Portal , but WILL work with Steam VRwithout a problem? It'll work as well as steam VR works. I read a couple of guides, did the open XR toolkit thing, did something with a runtime swapper and was up and running in no time- despite never using VR before. In fact, having come in late to party, and remembering the proto day posts, it was a lot more together than id imagined. Just now, BOO said: It'll work as well as steam VR works. I read a couple of guides, did the open XR toolkit thing, did something with a runtime swapper and was up and running in no time- despite never using VR before. In fact, having come in late to party, and remembering the proto day posts, it was a lot more together than id imagined. And you get your own vitual avitar! - I mean - isnt that cool? (it isnt before you reply, ok)
Blitzen Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 OK the latest: The ReverbG2 was toast, so after a short deliberation I bought the last Q3 in Best Buy nearby. Now I have it paired with my wireless router and have the app on my phone with the headset currently getting fully charged, but and I feel stupid asking "now what"? I haven't gotten the cable that will attach me directly to the back of the PC like the Reverb had..in fact no cable so far at all- completely wireless.The headset is working but giving me no further instructions ,ditto the IPhone app ( tho I do have a nice aviatar...) Somewhere there must be more guidance in the setup that will work to get me back to playing GB??? Any help- obviously I'm a little lost with this new toy...
BOO Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Blitzen said: OK the latest: The ReverbG2 was toast, so after a short deliberation I bought the last Q3 in Best Buy nearby. Now I have it paired with my wireless router and have the app on my phone with the headset currently getting fully charged, but and I feel stupid asking "now what"? I haven't gotten the cable that will attach me directly to the back of the PC like the Reverb had..in fact no cable so far at all- completely wireless.The headset is working but giving me no further instructions ,ditto the IPhone app ( tho I do have a nice aviatar...) Somewhere there must be more guidance in the setup that will work to get me back to playing GB??? Any help- obviously I'm a little lost with this new toy... You need to associate the headset with your new shiney avitar meta account. As i recall it was kinda automatic in terms of being told in the headset what to do though. They should be plenty of tutorial and guides online for that. Have you done all that and sittting in your Zuker fantasy land? Also, if you intend to go wireless it may need its own rounter acting as an access point - it may be better to go buy a cable with an adapter to charge as you play. I found this guide very useful Edited January 31 by BOO
Blitzen Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 (edited) No I don't want to go wireless,I'm a floor away from my router-am awaiting the proper cable...I have succeeded in pairing the headset with the app,,,so far so good on that front...now the next step would be? Edited January 31 by Blitzen
dryheat94 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Blitzen said: No I don't want to go wireless-am awaiting the proper cable... Then you need to know about the Oculus Debug Tool to greatly improve the experience. See youtube for the many video's on it. Edited January 31 by dryheat94
BOO Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Blitzen said: No I don't want to go wireless,I'm a floor away from my router-am awaiting the proper cable...I have succeeded in pairing the headset with the app,,,so far so good on that front...now the next step would be? Watch the guides we posted perhaps? 🙂 Edited January 31 by BOO
Blitzen Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 (edited) Will do , but just taking the virtual touris kind of mind boggling- quite a leao from ReverbG2.I'' do the guides this weekend and get back to you-many thanks...Great Battles will really be something if I canjust get that far-stay tuned!🙃 The Oculus Debug Tool didn't seem to download with the install.Nothing in 😄 drive anyway... Edited February 1 by Blitzen
dryheat94 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 It's not as bad as it seems. Like anything, it's different and new. I'd say the same thing if I had to setup a G2, as I've never used one. Once you get setup you're pretty much done unless you're always looking for more, like so many VR users. I want to add one thing... OpenXR Toolkit is deprecated software and completely optional whether you use it or not. OpenComposite is also optional. You can always ignore both of these and just use SteamVR until you're ready to take the leap into OpenComposite, which in my view gives a much better experience than SteamVR. 1
Blitzen Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 It all seems to be in order and working, but I must have to do something to get it recognized by Steam VR or OpenComposite and then get the sim going. Am I just going to have to be patient and wait for the cable to PC and when it comes where the heck does it attach? Sure would be nice NOT to have a cable attachment...
dryheat94 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 If the router is that far from you, you'll need to wait for the cable.
BOO Posted February 1 Posted February 1 9 hours ago, Blitzen said: The Oculus Debug Tool didn't seem to download with the install.Nothing in 😄 drive anyway... You have to go looking for the debug tool. If its a standrard install, the path should look something like "C:\Program Files\Oculus\Support\oculus-diagnostics"
Blitzen Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 4 hours ago, BOO said: You have to go looking for the debug tool. If its a standrard install, the path should look something like "C:\Program Files\Oculus\Support\oculus-diagnostics" Ok , these are my very first steps with the Q3 so please forgive me for my”slowness…” I am wirelessly connected with my personal ( modem) network. I know this because of the very fun walk through install instructions, but so far as i can tell ( or initially find,) of the install on my PC ( I have just received a cable for same,but haven’t connected it between the headset and the PC.)So far as I can tell nothing from Oculus ( including the “DebugTool,) has installed on my 😄 ( BTW Years ago I bought one of the first Oculus VR headsets and r ember how easy it was to install and use…) or anywhere else. Is the new cable necessary to get the connection made and finish the install so I can start to concentrate on GB ,or have I missed a vital step in this initial day of installation?
BOO Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Blitzen said: Ok , these are my very first steps with the Q3 so please forgive me for my”slowness…” I am wirelessly connected with my personal ( modem) network. I know this because of the very fun walk through install instructions, but so far as i can tell ( or initially find,) of the install on my PC ( I have just received a cable for same,but haven’t connected it between the headset and the PC.)So far as I can tell nothing from Oculus ( including the “DebugTool,) has installed on my 😄 ( BTW Years ago I bought one of the first Oculus VR headsets and r ember how easy it was to install and use…) or anywhere else. Is the new cable necessary to get the connection made and finish the install so I can start to concentrate on GB ,or have I missed a vital step in this initial day of installation? Have you dowloaded the meta questlink app? https://www.meta.com/gb/quest/setup/?utm_source=www.reddit.com&utm_medium=oculusredirect Remember Quest was created in a world where noone uses PCs and your world is stored either in the headset or in Zuckerberg's sock drawer so all Meta is concerned with is hooking you up to the interweb and harvesting your orga....er....data. Edited February 1 by BOO
Aapje Posted February 1 Posted February 1 @Blitzen You need to have the Meta Quest Link on the PC and then you can start a Link connection to the PC from within the headset, the Link connection can be wired or wireless.
Blitzen Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 20 minutes ago, Aapje said: @Blitzen You need to have the Meta Quest Link on the PC and then you can start a Link connection to the PC from within the headset, the Link connection can be wired or wireless. No, but thanks to you I am now! Thanks Mate! 25 minutes ago, Aapje said: @Blitzen You need to have the Meta Quest Link on the PC and then you can start a Link connection to the PC from within the headset, the Link connection can be wired or wireless. Just got it- should I attach it right away,or after Oculus Tray tool has been installed and after headset has recharged?
Blitzen Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 I think we ( me) are almost there. I have a successful cable hook up from the headset to PC into the correct USB port-cool! I have the Metascreen on my desktop too,plus OpenXrR, Meta Quest Link ,and of course,Oculus Setup. So I can't think of what to do next? Start Steam and hope it now recognizes the Q3 or are there other steps, like visut You Tube for more helpful steps along the way...? I am itching to see the interior of my old Messerschmitt!!!
Blitzen Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 (edited) On 1/31/2025 at 7:14 PM, dryheat94 said: If the router is that far from you, you'll need to wait for the cable. Say is there somesort of spring driven spool or winder for a longish USB cable like this? Simple question about the cable to PC : does it also function to charge the headset, so it ( the headset that is,) doesn’t need to be plugged into an outlet to be charged…? Edited February 7 by Blitzen
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