Bf109E-4 Late?

[Bussard_x]

I've updated the Aircraft list I posted a while ago with some extra info and what I also did is removing the 3 Bf109E-4 Late types from the list. Other than the skin there seems to be no different in the sim. I could not find any evidence that there were in fact early and late type E-4's. It seems to be a development error. Does anyone know this?  

 

 

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Edited January 28 by Bussard_x

[BOO]

Armoured Headrest in the lates

[Bussard_x]

22 minutes ago, BOO said:

Armoured Headrest in the lates

Thanks BOO, I gonna put them back on the list.

[BOO]

11 minutes ago, Bussard_x said:

Thanks BOO, I gonna put them back on the list.

 

You're welcome - i cant recall anything like engine changes or anything like that. As i remember it was perhaps jusa response to a request to add (or remove) the armour plate but i could be wrong. 

[Bussard_x]

20 hours ago, BOO said:

 

You're welcome - i cant recall anything like engine changes or anything like that. As i remember it was perhaps jusa response to a request to add (or remove) the armour plate but i could be wrong. 

 

Could not find any evidence of E-4s without armoured headrest early or late, field modifications were strictly forbidden. So yes user request seems to be most logic as you mentioned.

 

 

[BOO]

8 minutes ago, Bussard_x said:

 

Could not find any evidence of E-4s without armoured headrest early or late, field modifications were strictly forbidden. So yes user request seems to be most logic as you mentioned.

 

 

 

I've seen comptempory images of E1 though to E4s with and without the armour but how common it was to remove it I dont know. I also cant recall now if the armour was there in the early 109s and removed in a patch to be resotred in Blitz or if Blitz introduced it. What I would say is that certainly in MP users would certainly not request it! 🙂 

[Hiuuz]

I wonder this armour plate really affects bullets in game or just simply blocks the view backwards 🙂

[FTC_Rostic]

1 hour ago, Hiuuz said:

I wonder this armour plate really affects bullets in game or just simply blocks the view backwards 🙂

 

Really blocks... at least I think it was mentioned when released

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Adolf Galland wrote in his book how the headrest armor saved his life. A burst of machine gun fire hit his plane and was deflected or stopped by the armor thus he was only injured mildly and returned to base. 

[Bussard_x]

The early E-3 had no headrest the later produced (or field modified?) E-3's did have. The E-4 had standard headrest. If the developers would have created an E-3 without and an E-3 late with would have been correct. 

[FTC_Rostic]

1 hour ago, Bussard_x said:

The early E-3 had no headrest the later produced (or field modified?) E-3's did have. The E-4 had standard headrest. If the developers would have created an E-3 without and an E-3 late with would have been correct. 

 

If I remember correctly - E4 Late was introduced in game due to moaning of community about headrest suddenly appeared for E4. So devs separated it in this way by introducing as two models as a temporary solution until the moment when head rest can be attached/detached in loadout page.

[Hiuuz]

1 hour ago, FTC_Rostic said:

when head rest can be attached/detached in loadout page.

That would be a much more elegant way

[Bussard_x]

1 hour ago, FTC_Rostic said:

 

If I remember correctly - E4 Late was introduced in game due to moaning of community about headrest suddenly appeared for E4. So devs separated it in this way by introducing as two models as a temporary solution until the moment when head rest can be attached/detached in loadout page.

 

Okay thanks for the info, temporary now 14 years 😉

[Buzzsaw]

On 2/3/2025 at 1:31 PM, Bussard_x said:

 

Okay thanks for the info, temporary now 14 years 😉

It was introduced for BLITZ... so approx. 6.5 years.

 

Players have the option to be realistic to the Luftwaffe standard... "with the headrest".

 

Or remove it... if they hate the view block.

 

We don't always answer to community requests, but this one was led by Karaya... who is probably the best 109 pilot in the community.

[Bussard_x]

@Buzzsaw

Hereby a request for correct historic naming, after all the E-4 played a crucial role in BoB. It would be better to rename the E-4 Late to E-4, the historic correct one. And rename the current E-4 to E-4 (field mod).

Edited February 11 by Bussard_x

[FeuerFliegen]

15 hours ago, Bussard_x said:

@Buzzsaw

Hereby a request for correct historic naming, after all the E-4 played a crucial role in BoB. It would be better to rename the E-4 Late to E-4, the historic correct one. And rename the current E-4 to E-4 (field mod).

 

 

Yeah I could agree with that; regardless, there are multiple times when I see a late version of something in the sim but can't figure out the difference, as it's usually not mentioned anywhere; maybe we cons at least get an update to the manuals to tell us this information?