Great Battles Future

[SAG]

35 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

I honestly hope that every single one of them gets added.

 

I'm sure many other people do too. But I'd rather go somewhere else first. But if I had to choose a 109, I'd probably would go for the earliest of variants.

[Props]

14 hours ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

I've had a couple of ideas:

 

1) Devs complete the promised content, then spend some time supporting and further polishing and improving whatever has already been created. 

(I understand that new products = funding, but if there is a way to relax the in-office pressure whilst continuing to improve the sim, I support that.)

   

Though I will always vote first for a PTO oriented GB addition, I have to admit I like your idea and would definitely support a break in the grind for the devs to perhaps relax for a while. Some time spent on improving the sim overall without a bunch of pressure to develop the A6M series, Hellcats, Corsairs, and some carriers just to satisfy little old me is an acceptable way forward. Once recharged we can put 'em back on the lower decks at the oars and break out the whips again?....

[-250H-Ursus_]

Late russian front. Closing most important parts of the ETO and then starting something new. Or Italy.

[Eisenfaustus]

15 hours ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

I've had a couple of ideas:

 

1) Devs complete the promised content, then spend some time supporting and further polishing and improving whatever has already been created. 

(I understand that new products = funding, but if there is a way to relax the in-office pressure whilst continuing to improve the sim, I support that.)

 

2) A module that's not necessarily a sim, but a walk-through aviation museum.   It could be a large building with each wing/section dedicated to each country's planes along with region-appropriate architecture.  There could be walk-around models of the planes, hands-on exhibits such as engine and weapon models that could be disassembled and re-assembled. Libraries showing the documents that the devs used to build the plane models and a move theater for viewing historical films and photos.  Then there could be a room for the staff credits and in-studio commemorations too.  I'm sure there are other possible exhibits that I haven't thought of as well.

 

I would definitely buy something like that.   

To 1) you already state that funds come from products that are sold. I personally would not find it relaxing to know that the company responsible to pay my salary doesn’t plan to sell new products. 
 

to 2) while I understand where you are coming from I think that your pipe dream is probably shared by even less people than mine of the Battle of France

[Alexmarine]

23 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

 Battle of France

 

Asking people to fly a 109 with only manual prop pitch and no Minengeschoss shells is indeed a risk too great 

[Chief_Mouser]

2 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

 

Asking people to fly a 109 with only manual prop pitch and no Minengeschoss shells is indeed a risk too great 

 

Indeed, might be too hard for some. ?

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by 216th_Cat

[PB0_Roll]

Ms406 won't be a walk in the park either.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

On 2/2/2022 at 7:54 AM, Eisenfaustus said:

To 1) you already state that funds come from products that are sold. I personally would not find it relaxing to know that the company responsible to pay my salary doesn’t plan to sell new products. 
 

to 2) while I understand where you are coming from I think that your pipe dream is probably shared by even less people than mine of the Battle of France

 

1). Well, improving pre-existing products might bring back some players who fell off and prime them, plus the "loyalists" to want to buy future products.

 

2). It was just a suggestion. No need to be smug about it.

[Pikestance]

Well, these threads never get old. 

 

It would be cool to have 

Battle of France - This mostly for the French planeset, plus possible Free French Career.

Battle of Norway - The landscape alone would be worth it. (the 109 T2 as well). 

Battle of Sicily and/or late War African campaign (Battle of Tunisia) and/or Greece/Crete and/or Malta.

Something mid-war would be welcomed, plus a different environment. How would the handle the Trop version of 109. 

 

 

[messsucher]

Battle of France for sure, I want those very early war planes.

[ITAF_Rani]

 

19 hours ago, FlyinPinkPanther said:

Battle of Sicily and/or late War African campaign (Battle of Tunisia) and/or Greece/Crete and/or Malta.

Something mid-war would be welcomed, plus a different environment. How would the handle the Trop version of 109. 

Yes Yes Yes 

Edited February 10, 2022 by ITAF_Rani

[Ribbon]

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[Bo_Nidle]

Personally I 'd like to see the Italian campaign covered, but it's hard to argue against the case for the Pacific......especially if carriers were added.

Edited February 20, 2022 by Bo_Nidle

[Beebop]

What next?

 

"Battle of the Iron Sky".  Sort of Elite Dangerous meets IL-2 meets Hollywood.

Release date TBA. 

A lot of research would be needed into making a realistic flight model for the Bf-1009-X25 with a turbo ramjet engine to give it realism in zero gravity.

Fighters would be fitted with Vulcan style MG's.  Bombers would just release 500lb steel bowling balls and let kinetic energy do the rest.

The carnage would be EPIC!

 

But the Battle of France/Continuation War/Battle of the Gustav Line and Pacific Theatre would probably come first.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Beebop

[tribal50]

Korea war.
To jump from IL2 world to DCS universe ?

[Vig]

I think Battle of France is a great idea.  IIRC there was no popular outcry for a Russian Front sim before the original IL2 was released.

[Vishnu]

On 1/31/2022 at 1:26 AM, AndyJWest said:

 

You are ruling out IL-2:Nazi Moonbase vs the Red Martians? ☹️

 

 

 

 

[ITAF_Rani]

 

[ITAF_Rani]

 

[ITAF_Rani]

 

[Blue_Phantom]

I find this thread highly amusing.  I purchased the early access of Battle of Normandy two years ago, and still nothing.  And people are frothing about what will come afterwards?

[357th_KW]

14 minutes ago, Blue_Phantom said:

I find this thread highly amusing.  I purchased the early access of Battle of Normandy two years ago, and still nothing.  And people are frothing about what will come afterwards?

 

The P-47D22, Bf109G-6 late, Fw190A-6, Typhoon Ib, Spitfire XIV, P-51B and Ju88C-6 are a little more then nothing.

[spreckair]

How about a Battle of Britain and then maybe North Africa!

 

Ouch...ouch...please stop hitting me...I repent...

[Beebop]

2 hours ago, spreckair said:

How about a Battle of Britain 

CloD

and then maybe North Africa.

Tobruck: Desert War

How about;

Hungarian Revolt of 1956?

The Bay of Pigs?

Cuban Missile Crisis?

? 

Seriously something early WWII, faster than FC, with ~ .303 ammo?

 

2 hours ago, spreckair said:

 

 

[spreckair]

Right, I am totally aware of both CloD and the others; I just think it is unfortunate that we cannot have two of the more desirable air battle theaters in IL-2: Great Battles.

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, spreckair said:

Right, I am totally aware of both CloD and the others; I just think it is unfortunate that we cannot have two of the more desirable air battle theaters in IL-2: Great Battles.

Well this is something that you're just going to have to accept. Jason and the devs have no problem with it so hence the community shouldn't as well ?

 

If you have any objections to the fact that there's the IL-2 Dover series and the IL-2 Great Battles series then take it up with Jason. 

[ITAF_Rani]

Hope to see Med/ Italy as next DLC...?

[Bo_Nidle]

On 3/7/2022 at 3:49 PM, tribal50 said:

Korea war.
To jump from IL2 world to DCS universe ?

I agree with that too. The last real gunfighter war.

 

DCS did a good technical job with the F-86F and Mig 15 but failed to follow up with period specific maps and other aircraft/vehicles.

 

IL2 would do a better all round job of it.

[CountZero]

54 minutes ago, Bo_Nidle said:

I agree with that too. The last real gunfighter war.

 

DCS did a good technical job with the F-86F and Mig 15 but failed to follow up with period specific maps and other aircraft/vehicles.

 

IL2 would do a better all round job of it.

 

They didnt bather with map, other airplanes or even campaign, because its to expencive to make it how it was real Korean war.

 

Korean war was not just mig vs saber, and here they make full DLCs, so then that means pick part of war, 1950-51-52, pick area of map (whole Korean+Japan is to big) and pick all other airplanes to do that fit all that... its to expencive to do properly... thats why DCS can do japan airplane Korean airplane, because they can just do airplanes and dont have to be bathered with doing rest that make use for thouse airplanes in historical enviroment... Their Saber is not even one that did most fighting in Korean war, if they make Zero it will probably not even be corect one that fight Corsairs or Helcats and so on... Here if you plan to do Korea or Asia you have to make them in standards of previous DLCs and thats to expencive for that risk. Compared how things are done here, DCS have it easy when picking what airplane to do, they set standard that thir airplanes dont have to fit anything, they just have to be made as acurate as posible, historicly accurate enviroment or oponent dosent mather there.

Edited April 10, 2022 by CountZero

[THERION]

Hi gents,

 

I find it quite strange, for not to say silly, to compare those two products. As @CountZeroalready mentioned, DCS doesn't care very much

about the historical or theatrical environment when they decide to produce another plane. As long as this new plane is as accurate as possible

with full of eye candy, everything is fine - the rest isn't that important. Just look at the potpourri (medley) they present - nothing very much

coherent - some choppers here, some props there, many jets and some maps - that's it. And you will be charged quite high for each module

or map - for the same price in IL2 GB you will get at least one historical map and 8-10 planes, accurate too (except clickable cockpits - which

is fine!)

 

It's like comparing a lorry with a Ferrari - it doesn't make sense at all.

[FliegerAD]

I know I am a minority on this forum, but I really want a late war Eastern Front module. Courland, Seelow Heights, Lake Balaton... It's not like those are overused in flight sims. Also we can close the chapter of German airplanes then:

 

Fw 190A9 and Bf 109G10 as fighters, Ju 87D5 for ground attack, Ju 188 if possible.

 

All the other aircraft like 109 G6/AS and G14/AS could be done as collector's choices. ...not like high-altitude combat is a focus of this sim. When we are done with the Germans (and the Soviets for that matter), moving on is a lot easier.

 

That said, I would not mind Italian or French aircraft in the least. Those are very easy on the eye, and the late war Italian stuff seems to be very powerful, too.

[Enceladus828]

On 4/6/2022 at 6:39 AM, ITAF_Rani said:

Hope to see Med/ Italy as next DLC...?

I dunno, I feel that an Invasion of Sicily (which could also include the Battle of Tunisia) would be the only place where the devs could do a MTO Battle of... installment with 10 planes that would work.

If they do North Africa/Tobruk then it may be very risky/not very profitable considering the fact there's Desert Wings-Tobruk, and depending on when this would start and finish, it may be best to do Finland and Operation Barbarossa installments first before going to Tobruk: would get the early Hurricane, Gladiator, G.50, Blenheim, Ju-87B-2, Bf-110C. However, there should be no problem with doing a Battle of El Alamein Tank Crew installment.

 

With Malta, the biggest hurdle I see is would the IL-2 GBs game engine be able to handle vast amounts of ships and planes from both sides? When you consider Operation Pedestal, there were 14 freighters and the S.S. Ohio (15 ships), dozens of other Royal Navy ships, over 70 carrier borne aircraft involved; this is just for the British side alone. On the Axis side, there were many ships and hundreds of aircraft. It would be suicide to not include Pedestal in a Battle of Malta installment.

 

With Tunisia and Sicily, that could be done as you can throw in the Italian birds like the SM.79, MC.205V, Reggianes, and American and British aircraft which haven't been flyable in a sim like the A-36. The map would also include Malta so you can do Siege of Malta Ops.

 

In regards to the Italian Campaign, from the Armistice onwards it would pretty much be BoN aircraft plus the G.55 or the MC.205V for the Gustav Line and Bodenplatte aircraft plus the Re.2005 or G.55 for the Gothic Line. Therefore, I feel it would be best if the Italian Campaign was covered in two collector maps: Battle for Italy Part 1 (Gustav Line) and Battle of Italy Part 2 (Gothic Line).

 

When doing a Battle in this game, it all comes down to what would be the most profitable for the devs. They very well could have gone to Tunisia or Sicily after Battle of Kuban, but determined that doing a late war Western front with the P-51D, P-47, P-38, and Me-262 was the most profitable; then after, doing D-Day with the Mosquito, Razorback P-47, Arado 234, Spitfire Mk. XIV, C-47 V-1s, and B-26 was more profitable. If doing Sicily were to be the most profitable for the devs after BoN then by all means they should do it.

 

That's my 2 cents on doing the MTO and Italy in this game... though it looks more like 20 cents.

 

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh

 

Enceladus 

[FliegerAD]

On 4/11/2022 at 4:14 AM, Enceladus said:

When doing a Battle in this game, it all comes down to what would be the most profitable for the devs.

 

...which, if true, is an interesting premise reviewing the history of the series. They did no less than three Eastern Front modules before moving to the Western Front. So there must be some profitability in the East.

 

I personally am glad about every single new module, whatever the content because I love WW2 flight sims. And if it helps keeping the series alive, I am all for it. I would immediately jump into a Sagittario, and while I would wait for a discount when it comes to the Pacific, I would buy it eventually.

[357th_KW]

I'm just hoping that whatever the next module is, it will focus on an axis partner other than Germany.  Japan, Italy, Finland .... any of those would be a nice change of scenery.

[DD_Arthur]

7 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

 

 They did no less than three Eastern Front modules before moving to the Western Front. So there must be some profitability in the East.

 

You are aware that the original producer of this series was replaced mid-way through those developments?

[Beebop]

Yugoslavia?  You could play both sides and we already have most of the planes. 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Beebop said:

Yugoslavia?  You could play both sides and we already have most of the planes. 

Yugoslavia mightn’t be a bad idea for a collector map. I would like to see one done about the 1941 German invasion.
 

Firstly, no one has made a game/dlc centring around Yugoslavia during WW2, although third party developers have made mods for places like that in IL-2 1946.

 

Secondly, it would work well with existing Axis Moscow/Stalingrad aircraft, but also hypothetical 1941 contemporary aircraft that should be added like the

• Bf 109 E-3/4
• Bf 109 F-1
• Do 17 Z-2
• Ju 87 B-1/2
• Ju 88 A-5
• He 111 H-2
• He 111 P-2/4
• Fiat G.50
• and the Macchi MC.200.

Thirdly, it would act as a climactic buildup to the invasion of the Soviet Union, along with the Battle of Greece and Crete, both which should be considered doing as collector maps. “All three”, could complement each other.

 

Lastly, a Yugoslav map could be done for the Soviet offensive in 1944.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[FliegerAD]

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Lastly, a Yugoslav map could be done for the Soviet offensive in 1944.

 

A late war Balkans map might be interesting, with so many different parties involved (Western, Soviet, Croat, Italian, German, Yugo). The BAF in particular is interesting; I think they had some Yak 3s, too. The sheer number of possible aircraft is amazing.

But it might be too much for a single module to achieve a coherent plane set and campaign.

 

The Invasion of Yugoslavia is easier done, however I wonder how attractive the plane set would be. Earlier versions of the 109, interesting but obscure plans like the IK-3, or the odd Potez 630... which I would really love to fly. I just fear I am in a minority, and not just on the forums.

 

 

 

16 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

You are aware that the original producer of this series was replaced mid-way through those developments?

 

Interesting. When did this happen and what were the effects on the choice of scenarios?

[CountZero]

There is 0% chance youll see anygthing like yugoslavia ww2, or even southern actions in albania, romania greece and so on...

 

Arthur is right east front was so popular that it almost ended this game, after BoM was so bad they were on automatic course to make BoK, and then leadership and direction changed while BoK was developed, and we got anouncments that were going away from east front and into pacific... that didnt hapend and probably will never happend, but since then we are in west front... and i doubt well get any more east front now when war started. So well just stay in west front. Bad popularity of BOM also makes it hard to belive they would do another early war DLC like that one(even thoug great unlocks idea had something to do with that happening).

Edited April 18, 2022 by CountZero

[Jackfraser24]

Why was Battle of Moscow not successful? What was wrong with it?