Just saying.....

[Mysticpuma]

[jdu]

Well, to be complete, don't forget the song of dunes.  The Songs Of Two Sand Dunes
It shouldn't be complicated, it sounds like a distant engine, huh.  😏
I wonder which simulator has this. 🤔
Maybe you should go to the Sahara desert and bring back some recordings.
Don't forget to keep well hydrated.

[Dagwoodyt]

 

Still no TFS recruiting thread😉

[BladeMeister]

S!Blade<><

[jdu]

2 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

 

Still no TFS recruiting thread😉

You don't need a thread.   All you need is a little personal initiative to send Buzzsaw a PM.
Of course, you have to overcome your fear of rejection.

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, jdu said:

You don't need a thread.   All you need is a little personal initiative to send Buzzsaw a PM.
Of course, you have to overcome your fear of rejection.

Which would leave everyone in the same position as when the thread was started.

2 months now until December and the scheduled release of v6.

Absolutely nothing heard. Would any self respecting team really leave it so late in the day to promote their next paid for product which should release in just 2 months time?

 

 

Having searched around, I found the following:

TFS have released a new beta for VR testers to try. Initial reports are quite promising.
If you are part of the testing team, v5.421VR Beta is now available but the team need any registered beta testers to test it and report back.

 

Obviously not worth mentioning it here.

[Dagwoodyt]

Imagine a volunteer devoting several hundred hours labor and having no idea whether any of it will ever see publication🤨
 

[jdu]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Imagine a volunteer devoting several hundred hours labor and having no idea whether any of it will ever see publication🤨
 

 

It even happens to salaried employees.
During my career, I worked on several projects that never came to fruition. On one particular project, I worked for 18 months and it was abandoned 2 weeks before going into production, not because the result was bad, but because a manager changed his mind and decided to change ERP platforms.
You might say that I was paid for a year and a half, so I have nothing to complain about, but money isn't everything, it's also about the recognition of our work and the respect we get from our line managers.
If you're a volunteer, you know that you risk periods of discouragement, but motivation is much stronger, even if the lack of consideration no longer comes from a hierarchical line but from people who denigrate your commitment.

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

<snip>

 

Obviously not worth mentioning it here.

What for?
For every positive reaction, there will be 5 negative ones.

 

I'm surprised that no one has ever complained about the lack of tide for the Channel.  😏

Edited September 29, 2024 by jdu

[Dagwoodyt]

 

It's easy to understand why there might be difficulty in recruiting and retaining volunteers. The recruiters have no information to impart to customers. An atmosphere of reclusiveness is an unlikely source of positive vibes.

[BOO]

8 hours ago, jdu said:

 

even if the lack of consideration no longer comes from a hierarchical line but from people who denigrate your commitment.

 

What for?
For every positive reaction, there will be 5 negative ones.

 

 

 

No one here denigrates the TFS volunteers. Some have issues with the management of TFS (in particular Buzzsaw) but not individuals within TFS in general.

 

I think Puma was more making mention on him having to search for the call to arms for the Beta Testers. Given many were recruited from this forum and may have wandered off away from the ATAG beta forum over time, I can see why such requests may need to be more generally posted. 

 

Ultimately, there is a frustration at the secrecy and lack of open communication from TFS. There is an argument that their time is better spent working on the title than schmoozing with the hoi polloi but the lack of decent coms only really serves to reinforce the notion that CloD has become a private playground for vanities within TFS and that this has gotten in the way to some degree or other Fair or unfair is for each to decide. 

[Mysticpuma]

Spot on Boo.

Also note, this is actually a commercial product designed to make money, yet the invisibility cloak TFS use doesn't instill confidence that once released (who knows when), they will support the product?

I mean if you can't even promote it, why would you think new players would jump on onboard?

 

The lack of players getting involved in their beta testing, the current state of the beta build and a deadline for December.....you would think there would be an uptick in community engagement,  even if to give a level of understanding why it will probably be delayed another year?

[Dagwoodyt]

I remain awestruck at the hubris of requiring ATAG registration to participate in a poll. Why anyone previously ATAG-banned would supplicate themselves to participate is beyond me.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

11 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I remain awestruck at the hubris of requiring ATAG registration to participate in a poll. Why anyone previously ATAG-banned would supplicate themselves to participate is beyond me.

 

 

Beyond is the word, beyond you and beyond your authority.

 

Lobbying for a poll is set in one forum rather than another. That's one of these little things in life that motivates a man to get up in the morning and start a new day...

 

 

[BENKOE]

Hi @Mysticpuma,

 

Hundreds of participants in "Steam VR Beta Testing" are currently listed on the ATAG website. Is the list so out of date?

 

On 9/30/2024 at 10:20 AM, Mysticpuma said:

... The lack of players getting involved in their beta testing, the current state of the beta build and a deadline for December.....you would think there would be an uptick in community engagement,  even if to give a level of understanding why it will probably be delayed another year?

 

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, BENKOE said:

Hi @Mysticpuma,

 

Hundreds of participants in "Steam VR Beta Testing" are currently listed on the ATAG website. Is the list so out of date?

 

 

😁 Having seen the results of replies to Beta Testing threads, it's fair to say there are between 6-10 active testers (maximum)

Edited October 1, 2024 by Mysticpuma

[BENKOE]

Will all VR testers get the Release Version for free?

[Dagwoodyt]

9 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

😁 Having seen the results of replies to Beta Testing threads, it's fair to say there are between 6-10 active testers (maximum)

I guess many "Beta" testers did not anticipate a commitment approaching 3 years in length. It would seem that the attrition rate corresponds to what has happened in the Steam DB stats over the years, so maybe no real surprise🤔 Unless there is challenge to your observations it would seem that limited active "Beta" participation is problematic in and of itself.

[354thFG_Leifr]

Are we still here? The Ever-Faithful, whichever side of hopium/copium you swing for. 😆

[marcost]

Just dropped by after 2 years in the hope that the graphics update (2d) at least would be done. Oh well...rant time...

 

The game code should have been released for modding years ago. We would have a fantastic sim by now. I think modders would be much more likely to get involved if they could improve what they wanted to improve, not be restricted by someone else's plan. Yes that would bring its own problems, but just look at where 1946 is compared to when the code was made available.

 

I can't imagine how there can be any chance of a meaningful future profit for Clod/Blitz as a commercial venture, given the decline in interest and apparent lack of progress from the developers. If that is the case, then it seems to me that it's little short of selfish not to open up the game for modders? 

 

Any suggestions how long I leave it before dropping in again? Clearly, 2 years is not long enough.

[AndyJWest]

2 minutes ago, marcost said:

Just dropped by after 2 years in the hope that the graphics update (2d) at least would be done. Oh well...rant time...

 

The game code should have been released for modding years ago. We would have a fantastic sim by now. I think modders would be much more likely to get involved if they could improve what they wanted to improve, not be restricted by someone else's plan. Yes that would bring its own problems, but just look at where 1946 is compared to when the code was made available.

 

I can't imagine how there can be any chance of a meaningful future profit for Clod/Blitz as a commercial venture, given the decline in interest and apparent lack of progress from the developers. If that is the case, then it seems to me that it's little short of selfish not to open up the game for modders? 

 

Any suggestions how long I leave it before dropping in again? Clearly, 2 years is not long enough.

 

The code remains intellectual property which TFS is contractually obliged to keep confidential, and isn't going to be 'released to modders', regardless of what some people might prefer.

[marcost]

Obviously. My point being that 'some people' would have made more progress than some other people

[BOO]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I guess many "Beta" testers did not anticipate a commitment approaching 3 years in length. It would seem that the attrition rate corresponds to what has happened in the Steam DB stats over the years, so maybe no real surprise🤔 Unless there is challenge to your observations it would seem that limited active "Beta" participation is problematic in and of itself.

 

6-10 committed testers are worth a 100 tourists. Sometimes you need 100 tourist to find your 6-10 I guess. Just hope they all aint using CV1s. 

 

1 hour ago, 356thFS_Leifr said:

Are we still here? The Ever-Faithful, whichever side of hopium/copium you swing for. 😆

 

Like a wonky dog in a rescue centre.  

[Dagwoodyt]

Some of us have been here since a twelve hour download of the first Il-2 demo by Oleg. Just tough to look away from whatever Oleg's CloD has become😒

[Buzzsaw]

11 hours ago, BENKOE said:

Will all VR testers get the Release Version for free?

The VR release version will be a free addition for anyone who owns the games.

 

TF 6.0 FORTRESSES AND FOCKE-WULFS - DIEPPE is not included in the VR Beta and will not be free to VR Beta testers.

 

[BOO]

5 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

The VR release version will be a free addition for anyone who owns the games.

 

TF 6.0 FORTRESSES AND FOCKE-WULFS - DIEPPE is not included in the VR Beta and will not be free to VR Beta testers.

 

 

Really? Thats the one thing out this thread that TFS chose to break cover for? 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

43 minutes ago, BOO said:

 

Really? Thats the one thing out this thread that TFS chose to break cover for? 

 

 

Apparently so, and I'm glad if that's the case.

 

 

[354thFG_Leifr]

Yeah, you can count out your pennies ready for Dieppe in the next ten years.

[Mysticpuma]

6 hours ago, BOO said:

 

Really? Thats the one thing out this thread that TFS chose to break cover for? 

Be grateful for a sprinkling of crumbs from an empty table.

 

Agree though, literally appears on the forums, ignores everything including questions about status, and, just like that,

[Dagwoodyt]

15 hours ago, BOO said:

 

6-10 committed testers are worth a 100 tourists. Sometimes you need 100 tourist to find your 6-10 I guess. Just hope they all aint using CV1s. 

Maybe "beta" testing started three years before their was a real beta to test and TFS is now paying a price for hubris.

[BOO]

2 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Maybe "beta" testing started three years before their was a real beta to test and TFS is now paying a price for hubris.

Probably but, even so, if what its whittled down to are a few people with a genuine interest in the game and (hopefully by this stage), a lot of experience in the black art of VR wrangling then its probably all thats needed. Im not even sure if there needs to be a variance of manufacture though I remember some issues with Primax. 

 

2 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Agree though, literally appears on the forums, ignores everything including questions about status, and, just like that,

 

 

 

Hard to defend and pretty much comes across as choosing who to interact with and on what subject. 

 

8 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Apparently so, and I'm glad if that's the case.

 

 

 

I have no idea why that would make you happy. 

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

Probably but, even so, if what its whittled down to are a few people with a genuine interest in the game and (hopefully by this stage), a lot of experience in the black art of VR wrangling then its probably all thats needed. Im not even sure if there needs to be a variance of manufacture though I remember some issues with Primax. 

I think the term "tourist" could be construed as derogatory. Perhaps, if the beta has lost participation, there are factors at play besides simple boredom. It seems plausible that  stability on a number of rigs was so compromised that some testers simply departed out of frustration. Communications between team and testers could be also be a factor. AFAIK it has been commented that the Pimax Crystal does indeed work with the beta. If they are really down fewer than a dozen active beta testers and Speedtree 8/9 has still not been added to the beta after two years in alpha testing, that does not seem a good place to be. Once exposed to a much greater variety of pc rigs any number of unanticipated issues could arise.🤔
 

[BOO]

40 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I think the term "tourist" could be construed as derogatory. 
 

 

I meant no disrepect but when you make purchasing a DLC and owning a VR set the only conditions of entry, its what you get. 

 

Im sure there are those who have thrown in the towel perhaps for the reasons you state but I doubt that accounts for all or even the majority of those missing at sea. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

TBH this Cliffs forum feels like a detective work in progress. That little of the information that has been offered seems to add up makes it all the more fascinating😉

[Lorena_Scout]

so, everyone still have this version? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcm_5L6yZIY

 

work in progress guys, everyone already have the blitz and not the core version, this was a mod and now is a wip, have some patience pls

[Mysticpuma]

6 hours ago, Lorena_Scout said:

so, everyone still have this version? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcm_5L6yZIY

 

work in progress guys, everyone already have the blitz and not the core version, this was a mod and now is a wip, have some patience pls

Well, as you mentioned patience.....

8.5 years since VR was shown

5 years since Truesky was shown

X years since variations.of Speedtree were mentioned.

No news on the proposed release date of December for v6, for months (possibly a couple of years before it was named FAF).

No screenshots of any of the new flyable content in game (not including a couple of Typhoon images).

 

Intrinsically,  it feels like the team can't be bothered to engage with its last remaining stalwarts (yes see the Steam chart posted above), and who the team will expect to be here when anything is released. 

To cold shoulder the community is really bad PR and just embarrassing from such a small team who really will want whatever is left of the community to purchase V6 and at least make all there years invested worth something.

 

As it stands, once again, the community is left in Limbo, and I know Lorena and Buzzsaw as TFS members have both (obviously) seen this and other threads, yet, the only engagement we get is "Patience"?

 

Would it not appear to any member of TFS, that is all that has happened and unfortunately,  the good will the community had, has withered away and now there are just the last embers of the once raging fire left, and unfortunately it looks like rain is coming. 

Edited October 3, 2024 by Mysticpuma

[BENKOE]

Amen. 😔

[BOO]

14 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

Well, as you mentioned patience.....

8.5 years since VR was shown

5 years since Truesky was shown

X years since variations.of Speedtree were mentioned.

No news on the proposed release date of December for v6, for months (possibly a couple of years before it was named FAF).

No screenshots of any of the new flyable content in game (not including a couple of Typhoon images).

 

Intrinsically,  it feels like the team can't be bothered to engage with its last remaining stalwarts (yes see the Steam chart posted above), and who the team will expect to be here when anything is released. 

To cold shoulder the community is really bad PR and just embarrassing from such a small team who really will want whatever is left of the community to purchase V6 and at least make all there years invested worth something.

 

As it stands, once again, the community is left in Limbo, and I know Lorena and Buzzsaw as TFS members have both (obviously) seen this and other threads, yet, the only engagement we get is "Patience"?

 

Would it not appear to any member of TFS, that is all that has happened and unfortunately,  the good will the community had, has withered away and now there are just the last embers of the once raging fire left, and unfortunately ot looks like rain is coming. 

 

At least you got words. All I got was a confused emoji off Lorena for pointing a potential VR beta tester to the appropriate forum to ask his VR beta question. 

 

Nice job TFS - throwing shade even when we try to help make up for your confused and crappy coms strategy. 

[BENKOE]

At least since Jun-24-2013 it is clear that TeamFusion looking for good natured, sociable and unbiased people ... who are willing to be part of a like minded group.

.

[FurphyForum]

Got to ask, just so it's 100% clear, who is actually the driving force and is responsible for stated-set deadlines internally for TFS?

[Dagwoodyt]

Who is in charge😉