Either I'm impressively bad, or the statement that the 109 is a great beginner's plane is a lie.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

34 minutes ago, HazMatt said:

I was thinking about something too that might help.

 

What is it the you want to get out of the game?

 

I for example will charge into a fight of 3 vs 1 and usually get killed. There was one time that I recall doing this on the deck in which I got 2 maneuver kills and shot the 3rd one down. I enjoy fighting like this as I find it very challenging. Needless to say I die most sorties but it doesn't bother me because I get unlimited life and planes in the dueling arenas pretty much. I usually fly on the normal server with the icons as all the other planes there are real players for the most part and it's easy mode with engine management and icons. It's pretty much just turn and burn.

 

Obviously if I'm playing on another server like combat box I change my tactics a bit as you have to be careful what you're shooting if there aren't any icons.

 

So the question for you is: What makes the game fun for you? If like me you like to turn and burn like me you're going to die and die often.

 

If you goal is to live, I think you might want to change up your tactics to B&Z as I mentioned earlier.

 

Another thing to consider is something I do from time to time on combat box and other servers when the numbers are low or I get in a mood.

I'll take a 190 with 3 250kg bombs. I fly in the cloud cover as much as I can until I get to the target. I make one pass coming in and drop my bombs, I make a strafing pass on the way out and I climb back up into the cloud cover to get back home. If I'm looking to get myself killed I'll hang around and strafe until enemy fighters show up in droves to shoot me down.

 

Heck I've even been known to drive around in tanks. I remember one time I was in a town and an enemy was there with a panther tank. I think I had a T34. We kept trying to ambush each other and finally I got him as he came around the corner of a building. Fun stuff!

 

The reason I'm writing this is I hate to see you go after such a short time when the game has so much to offer.

It doesn't seem like he actually wants help, but rather to complain.

 

I would add that I tend to survive most solo flights online on CB, often bagging a kill or two, bombing a target, and making it back safely. It's really not that hard but it takes patience and discipline. My tips:

 

1. Get on SRS, get a callsign on channel 2, announce your objective on channel 1 to the bot so it can provide a picture of the situation so you know what to expect...if it is heavily trafficked, pick another target.

 

2. Make two passes at a target...one for bombs, one for rockets/guns and then run back to home base at WEP on the deck (harder to spot, better energy state than slow and mushy in a climb)

 

3. Plan your flights smartly and pick objectives away from the main action and enemy airbases. 

 

4. Fly with other people.

 

5. Don't take it too seriously---it's a game.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Winning two out of three is fun, one for one ain't bad, but why the **** would I want to play a game where I won every time, where's the challenge in that?

[PatrickAWlson]

I like adding vertical elements and the 109 is really good at that.  Instead of turning I like to yo-yo with it to get inside of my target.  When in doubt, use its great climbing ability to get back above your opponent with a circle climb.  Hopefully the Ai will not hit you with a golden BB while in a full stall  

12 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Winning two out of three is fun, one for one ain't bad, but why the **** would I want to play a game where I won every time, where's the challenge in that?

 

lol - even Hartmann lost over a dozen times   

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 8/10/2024 at 6:51 PM, Lens7 said:

That point about the AI is in fact why I specifically haven't dumped as much time into singleplayer because clearly it doesn't help because its all AI. As for the campaigns, iirc those usually come as a separate payment, which I haven't considered considering 70 hours have made me question whether its worth it.

I disagree with @[CPT]Crunch when he says AI "[are] not even comparable to what you see against humans." This is true for the best of the modern-day online fighter pilots, many of which have thousands of hours of experience. But I'd argue that the AI is much closer to actual WW2 pilots. The quality of pilots differed per country and period, but e.g. most of the Luftwaffe in its final year would likely be hard-pressed to even reach the easy AI level. So in how far an AI is comparable to humans really depends on what kind of human you're measuring against.

 

Anyhow, the most important part about any game is that you enjoy yourself. Unless you've got some macho ideas about wanting to prove yourself and the size of certain body parts, this doesn't necessarily need to be online (before anyone feels hurt, I'm not saying everyone or even the majority of people who play online are such people). Try to get the hang of it in SP first, against aircraft and pilots that you're able to take on. It doesn't matter if this is "easy" AI at first; as I indicated there were many inexperienced pilots in real-life WW2 so this might very well be a realistic skill setting. The main thing is that you enjoy it and that you get that thrill when you finally shoot down an enemy. You should still expect to spend tens of hours of flight time before you get much better, but at least this way you keep it fun.

 

Then when you're able to shoot down most AI with ease, you can plunge into online flying. Be aware that the average pilot is much stronger there than even ace-level AI, but at least you should be able to dogfight without having to worry about "stalling or spinning" when you "try a rough maneuver at any speed" and should have a semi-intuitive grasp of dogfighting techniques by then. Perhaps, you'll even find (like me) that online flying isn't really your thing and that you prefer the slower-paced and arguably more realistic flying of SP. Nothing to be ashamed about!

 

On 8/10/2024 at 6:51 PM, Lens7 said:

As for the campaigns, iirc those usually come as a separate payment, which I haven't considered considering 70 hours have made me question whether its worth it.

That's not true; although there are many payware campaigns, there are many more that you can freely download. Look in the following forum:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/111-scripted-campaigns/

 

Of course their quality differs, but some are truly at the same level as the payware campaigns. In this topic you'll find a(n incomplete) list of campaigns; look in the "Theatre" and "Player aircraft" columns to see which ones you're able to play. From what I gather, you own only BoS; in that case I can recommend the following, a free, high-quality historical campaign featuring the Bf-109G-2, which I really enjoyed playing:

[Zooropa_Fly]

I think he's gone.. over to WT..

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

Choosing to do something else is better than choosing to cheat. So we do have to give him credit for that.

[HazMatt]

Too bad he's gone. I try to do what I can to keep the new guys around who want to try out the servers as more numbers equals more fun there. The servers can be a rude awakening with a large helping of beat down served up for people expecting players to be comparable to the AI.

 

I think one of the main things that new players don't realize is that the better players use their throttle much more then the AI appear to. I for one use maneuvers that I've read about in books written by German Experten when I'm flying German aircraft. One I have not yet tried, and don't know if it's possible in the game, was that the 190 was know to do an aileron flutter as it approached stall and if you pulled it a little more it was said to spin 180 degrees and recover quickly and easily from what I've read.

 

I never did understand cheaters. Even if they win people know they are cheating and they get no respect no matter what game they are playing.

 

 

[Trooper117]

39 minutes ago, HazMatt said:

people know they are cheating and they get no respect no matter what game they are playing.

 

With you 100% on that!

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

RIP @Lens7

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

6 hours ago, HazMatt said:

I never did understand cheaters. 

Smol pp

[Patricks]

19 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

I think he's gone.. over to WT..

 

No need to get nasty and mention War Blunder... 

[Zooropa_Fly]

Well he'd had all the correct answers, and was pretty much ignoring them.

I'm useful in ww1 where most of my time has been spent down the years, but realised early on that I'm no ww2 dogfighter.

Certainly not against most of the MP community.

 

Thus I switched to ground attack in mostly 110's.. and I like it !

My objective is to avoid aerial combat if at all possible (since bot gunners aren't that good).

Lens mentioned he'd tried it and enjoyed it, so maybe he should give that more of a go.

 

Sometimes we have to accept that we're not great at something we want to be good at.

But as has been mentioned a few times already, 70 hours is nothing.. ZERO !

So he's not given himself enough of a chance.

S!

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

He said he liked ground attack during off hours, and that he wished someone told him about how long the learning curve was before he bought the game. I think the game should just come with a warning that says if you plan to go online you should score highly on some type of spectrum, because normies will hate it here.

[Patricks]

5 minutes ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

He said he liked ground attack during off hours, and that he wished someone told him about how long the learning curve was before he bought the game. I think the game should just come with a warning that says if you plan to go online you should score highly on some type of spectrum, because normies will hate it here.

 

As a BMS Falcon flyer since it (Falcon 4.0) was introduced in 1998, I find his IL-2 "learning curve" statement absolutely ridiculous. If you have even flown Falcon and learned 1/100th of what that sim offers, you have spent 100's of hours doing so. My latest Logbook shows 619 hours, and I have lost all my original ones, that's just the last few years.. and I know next to nothing.

[Lens7]

I think I owe yall a bit of an explanation it seems, I'm not dead, and I haven't gone over to WT (yet). I'm mostly just taking a break and have gone back to BMS for a while, partly because I finally got the F-15 binds working, and partly because I genuinely felt that I wasn't in a good spot mentally, and the time invested in Il-2 (however little it was in the grand scheme of things) with minimal results seemed to not really be helping. 

Is that being selfish of me for taking out my inexperienced rantings to complain? Most likely. 

I deleted the game the other day and was tempted to just write a scathing post before punching out permanently, but I've since decided against it. Least of all because I talked to a couple people who made me realize I was grossly underestimating the learning curve, and even moreso the skill floor for a game that's been out for a decade now. 

 

I should've probably used that latter term earlier honestly, because having come back to BMS for a while, while I'll agree with Patricks that the game does have an absolutely massive curve, to me at least there seems to be a bit more generous of a skill floor (ie how many hours you can put in before you're no longer a liability) that I feel I can be of some use, even if it took some 100+ hours (I too have lost a couple of my logbooks, and that 100 was from the one last one I had before losing it too). 

 

I might come back at some point later in time, but I'll be keeping it on hiatus for a while now, at least until I feel a bit less like I'm going to end up whining again after getting shot up 10 times in about as many minutes (if I even go back to berloga, if someone in this thread was any indication apparently some people use external view, in which case I'd like to kindly redirect those people to WT, the specific reason I avoided all the tutorials that game's players put out for energy fighting was because the external view and icons give a level of SA that isn't there in Il-2). Again, chalk it up to gross inexperience, but half the challenge to me for BnZ was keeping tally while extending and climbing as I've mentioned before. In WT that just makes things piss easy for even someone like me to pull it off.

 

One thing I'll admit about Korea though is that I might give it a shot, least of all because the gyro sights might help me with my gross inability to deflection shoot accurately, because going back to BMS has shown me that it was the angle off estimation that was harder for me moreso than the plane of motion aligning, because the moment I got the EEGS up I was shooting bandits up quite reliably.

[Zooropa_Fly]

Well said that man.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

5 hours ago, Lens7 said:

apparently some people use external view, in which case I'd like to kindly redirect those people to WT

If I had a soul reading a new person say that would have warmed it. Bless you.

[Patricks]

4 hours ago, Lens7 said:

I think I owe yall a bit of an explanation it seems, I'm not dead, and I haven't gone over to WT (yet). I'm mostly just taking a break and have gone back to BMS for a while, partly because I finally got the F-15 binds working, and partly because I genuinely felt that I wasn't in a good spot mentally, and the time invested in Il-2 (however little it was in the grand scheme of things) with minimal results seemed to not really be helping. 

Is that being selfish of me for taking out my inexperienced rantings to complain? Most likely. 

I deleted the game the other day...

 

@Lens7, I think you may have gone about this whole IL-2 learning process a bit "backwards". You could barely walk, yet chose to jump into the ocean with rip current and 10' waves. I'm guessing, but do you fly BMS offline mostly in Campaigns, in Ace level? I'm pretty sure that even if you fly online, it was after a LOT of offline play. If you fly online TvT with Falcon Online, UOAF, or Falcon Lounge and you do very well, your quite the pilot. I get knocked down on a regular basis if anyone with skills if flying against me, usually never see them on radar, or can't burn through their jammer, or just get hit with no warning.. sound familiar?  Maybe try offline Campaigns and Career mode if you fire up IL-2 again, or try finding someone to team up with (join a squadron?). Being a lone wolf online, especially for someone new, is a sure fire way to get frustrated..  You don't say where you are located, but there are a LOT of squads looking for members, even new and "useless" ones.. Add if you are like me (old) look for guys your age. I know I can't stand squeaky voices on the radio, especially when they never seem to shut up.. 😉

[Lens7]

49 minutes ago, Patricks said:

 

@Lens7, I think you may have gone about this whole IL-2 learning process a bit "backwards". You could barely walk, yet chose to jump into the ocean with rip current and 10' waves. I'm guessing, but do you fly BMS offline mostly in Campaigns, in Ace level? I'm pretty sure that even if you fly online, it was after a LOT of offline play. If you fly online TvT with Falcon Online, UOAF, or Falcon Lounge and you do very well, your quite the pilot. I get knocked down on a regular basis if anyone with skills if flying against me, usually never see them on radar, or can't burn through their jammer, or just get hit with no warning.. sound familiar?  Maybe try offline Campaigns and Career mode if you fire up IL-2 again, or try finding someone to team up with (join a squadron?). Being a lone wolf online, especially for someone new, is a sure fire way to get frustrated..  You don't say where you are located, but there are a LOT of squads looking for members, even new and "useless" ones.. Add if you are like me (old) look for guys your age. I know I can't stand squeaky voices on the radio, especially when they never seem to shut up.. 😉

For a start, I'll admit I'm known to get a *lot* of things backwards. And I might've gotten a bit too big for my britches considering most of the time I somehow managed to get the right answer out of it.

And yeah you're correct on the BMS part, as for proper TvT, I haven't had the privilege, mostly because my timezone means that I'm basically never available for sorties. Instead the most I can get is flying maybe an isolated mission or a couple of dogfights with whoever's up and down at that time. Probably the fact that I somehow manage to still eke out something each time despite my relative inexperience might have been a factor in me feeling very lost in Il-2 in comparison. (And likely some sort of arrogance that with my (in retrospect very few) hours I'd at least have some sort of fundamentals to fall back onto, and with some guides I'd get at least *somewhere*. 

 

I might look into both squads and the offline practice for the next time I get into it. As for being 'old', from what I've seen in my time on the Lounge, I am very much the definition of a whippersnapper, even if I'm a decent bit older than the average demographic of most social networking platforms. (I'm in my 20s.)

[Patricks]

7 minutes ago, Lens7 said:

For a start, I'll admit I'm known to get a *lot* of things backwards. And I might've gotten a bit too big for my britches considering most of the time I somehow managed to get the right answer out of it.

And yeah you're correct on the BMS part, as for proper TvT, I haven't had the privilege, mostly because my timezone means that I'm basically never available for sorties. Instead the most I can get is flying maybe an isolated mission or a couple of dogfights with whoever's up and down at that time. Probably the fact that I somehow manage to still eke out something each time despite my relative inexperience might have been a factor in me feeling very lost in Il-2 in comparison. (And likely some sort of arrogance that with my (in retrospect very few) hours I'd at least have some sort of fundamentals to fall back onto, and with some guides I'd get at least *somewhere*. 

 

I might look into both squads and the offline practice for the next time I get into it. As for being 'old', from what I've seen in my time on the Lounge, I am very much the definition of a whippersnapper, even if I'm a decent bit older than the average demographic of most social networking platforms. (I'm in my 20s.)

 

I have underwear older than you... 🤣. What "timezone" are you in? I'm going to guess one in the US?

[Lens7]

49 minutes ago, Patricks said:

 

I have underwear older than you... 🤣. What "timezone" are you in? I'm going to guess one in the US?

More like diametrically opposite to anything in the US, it's UTC+5:30 here. As a result for most cases I tend to have ping issues with CB.

Edited August 14, 2024 by Lens7

[Patricks]

21 minutes ago, Lens7 said:

More like diametrically opposite to anything in the US, it's UTC+5:30 here

 

Only a couple hours off most of the EU, PLENTY of IL-2'ers relatively close! +4 to me here in Spain, +3 to Germany, etc..

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 8/14/2024 at 7:50 AM, Lens7 said:

For a start, I'll admit I'm known to get a *lot* of things backwards. And I might've gotten a bit too big for my britches considering most of the time I somehow managed to get the right answer out of it.

And yeah you're correct on the BMS part, as for proper TvT, I haven't had the privilege, mostly because my timezone means that I'm basically never available for sorties. Instead the most I can get is flying maybe an isolated mission or a couple of dogfights with whoever's up and down at that time. Probably the fact that I somehow manage to still eke out something each time despite my relative inexperience might have been a factor in me feeling very lost in Il-2 in comparison. (And likely some sort of arrogance that with my (in retrospect very few) hours I'd at least have some sort of fundamentals to fall back onto, and with some guides I'd get at least *somewhere*. 

 

I might look into both squads and the offline practice for the next time I get into it. As for being 'old', from what I've seen in my time on the Lounge, I am very much the definition of a whippersnapper, even if I'm a decent bit older than the average demographic of most social networking platforms. (I'm in my 20s.)

A few things. First of all, welcome back and good on you for taking it on the chin! Please understand: we want you here. We want new people and we want new enthusiasts. That being said, the initial posts came off hostile and unfair to the game and community we all love and appreciate, so I think folks (me) acted accordingly. Next time you want to fly IL2, join the Combat Box Discord and there are many who would love to show you the ropes. This thread inspired me to make this video lol 

 

https://youtu.be/5pjn9ybbBUc?si=wy6X83gBzLQI5jvb

 

 

 

[HazMatt]

Nice video! Thanks for leaving the sound on and not putting annoying music on the video. I didn't watch the whole thing but what I saw looked good.

 

Also good stuff with the yo-you and climbing spiral. I use that all the time. The part I'm still trying to teach myself is to disengage when at a disadvantage. I tend to engage when I'm at a disadvantage. Maybe I'm just retarded

[dgiatr]

If you want to play MP just be patient that's the most important of all just don't be disappointed,  you don't have to learn any tricks your muscle memory will do it for you but you have to practice and to wait for one or two years maybe to just start feeling a little more confident for yourself.

 

One golden rule : engage only when you have the advantage as soon as you don't have it or you loose it  just disengage.

Edited August 16, 2024 by dgiatr

[HazMatt]

2 minutes ago, dgiatr said:

If you want to play MP just be patient that's the most important of all just don't be disappointed,  you don't have to learn any tricks your muscle memory will do it for you but you have to practice and to wait for one or two years maybe to just start feeling a little more confident for yourself.

 

One golden rule : engage only when you have the advantage as soon as you don't have it or you loose it  just disengage.

To me it's boring to only attack with an advantage and disengage when you lose it. I'd rather try to fight 2vs1 on the deck. Sometimes I win and that's great fun for me. I would not suggest this for new players unless your a masochist. I enjoy getting a couple on my tail and having them shoot or crash into each other. I'm pretty good at dumping speed and forcing overshoots or split-sing at minimal alt and having the enemy hit the ground when they try to follow me. Another favorite of mine very low speed fights low to the deck. You need to be very careful to keep the nose pointed up as if you get inverted at really low speed at really low alt you won't be able to recover but the same goes for the enemy I do this mostly on the normal and dueling servers as you can get back into the fights quickly.  When I'm flying on servers like combat box I try not to be such a retard hehe.

 

I think most wouldn't find the way I fight enjoyable but to me it's great fun. To each his own.

[Lens7]

9 hours ago, 356thFS_Drewm3i-VR said:

A few things. First of all, welcome back and good on you for taking it on the chin! Please understand: we want you here. We want new people and we want new enthusiasts. That being said, the initial posts came off hostile and unfair to the game and community we all love and appreciate, so I think folks (me) acted accordingly. Next time you want to fly IL2, join the Combat Box Discord and there are many who would love to show you the ropes. This thread inspired me to make this video lol 

 

https://youtu.be/5pjn9ybbBUc?si=wy6X83gBzLQI5jvb

 

 

 

Thank you! Also I gave both vids a watch, and 2 things come to mind.

1. It seems very obvious in retrospect, but the idea of using friendly AAA as support is genius, especially for a new pilot, I feel. Mostly because first it helps orient you roughly where to look, while also giving you a distracted target to work with. Is this great for fast practice? Idk. But it fits the idea of striking with advantage, on someone unsuspecting, and bonus in that it would technically allow someone to practice any sort of BnZ without worrying too much about getting shot up.
2. I'm starting to realize that even if I probably may struggle with CB because of ping problems (I got kicked from it one too many times because of that, and lacking any western front planes doesn't help either) there's still plenty of others, like WoL. And that I may have been really selling the game short based on my skewed experience of berloga, not just because I suck (no doubt about that) but because that sort of situation is disconnected from any sort of actual scenario that could have happened in practice. Regardless of the era, there never really was iirc a throwing of huge fleets of planes in some sort of movie set piece battle type thing solely with the intention of just gunning down the other and that's all there was to it. It's meant to be a chaotic furball with aggressive tryhards (and worse) and that people are trying to play WT on the server when it doesn't even cost em to play that instead. 

As I said before, I probably won't come back any time soon for now, but I will eventually. Gonna probably first brush up on some BFM properly in a plane I'm a bit more familiar with for some fundamentals, and once I feel I can do something reliably without needing to depend on lucky mistakes from the enemy or tech that came about even just after Korea, I'll come back and take the 109s out for a whirl. Who knows? Maybe I might even try something from the other dlcs too.

[HazMatt]

Berluga is a very tough place to start. There are tryhards there that will fly high and wait until they see a non AI plane that is engaged then then they will drop out of orbit and bounce you and then zoom back up into orbit.

 

I actually prefer the normal server because of this. Not sure if  you've tried that one but you might want to give that one a shot.

 

I found that the quickstart offline with 4vs4 is good practice and fun for me. Not sure if you've tried that one yet.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

3 hours ago, Lens7 said:

1. It seems very obvious in retrospect, but the idea of using friendly AAA as support is genius, especially for a new pilot, I feel. Mostly because first it helps orient you roughly where to look, while also giving you a distracted target to work with. Is this great for fast practice? Idk. But it fits the idea of striking with advantage, on someone unsuspecting, and bonus in that it would technically allow someone to practice any sort of BnZ without worrying too much about getting shot up.

If you see the flak it means the enemy is already attacking your friendly targets, so it's not ideal to plan to use the flak that way, but if you happen to naturally see the flak is going off, it does mean the enemy is there and likely an easy target. Ideally you should try to find the the enemy before the flak goes off.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

1 hour ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

If you see the flak it means the enemy is already attacking your friendly targets, so it's not ideal to plan to use the flak that way, but if you happen to naturally see the flak is going off, it does mean the enemy is there and likely an easy target. Ideally you should try to find the the enemy before the flak goes off.

Usually the flak opens up well before any bombs are dropped.

3 hours ago, HazMatt said:

Berluga is a very tough place to start. There are tryhards there that will fly high and wait until they see a non AI plane that is engaged then then they will drop out of orbit and bounce you and then zoom back up into orbit.

 

I actually prefer the normal server because of this. Not sure if  you've tried that one but you might want to give that one a shot.

 

I found that the quickstart offline with 4vs4 is good practice and fun for me. Not sure if you've tried that one yet.

It is. It's a place for death matches and nothing else. If one uses it for practice, it's useful. If not, it's simply frustrating. 

 

Op, get on Combat Box and do some proper missions defending or attacking objectives. That's the best way to play. Also install and get on SRS, get a callsign, announce your intention to the bot, and follow through with whatever plan you come up with. If you're having internet trouble, adjust your MTU latency and maybe get an ethernet cable if possible. Combat Box is where it's at. The other servers are kinda dead and lame these days. Tactical Air War is cool but super hardcore and it isn't a 24/7/365 server.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

1 hour ago, 356thFS_Drewm3i-VR said:

Usually the flak opens up well before any bombs are dropped.

Unless you're lucky enough that it opens up when the attacker is close to you, you're unlikely to get the target before his bombs are off, so ideally it is best to spot the attacker when he's farther away, but as a plan B, it is an easy way to find someone.

[BOO]

The video from @356thFS_Drewm3i-VR show well the amount of additional scope you can enjoy on a mission based server. Try half of that in Beloga and you are mincemeat. I wouldnt expect anyone to go on  Beloga to have a one sided good time unless they had years of experience under their belt. 

[dgiatr]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

The video from @356thFS_Drewm3i-VR show well the amount of additional scope you can enjoy on a mission based server. Try half of that in Beloga and you are mincemeat. I wouldnt expect anyone to go on  Beloga to have a one sided good time unless they had years of experience under their belt. 

Since there are external views and you can escape when you loose the advantage in Berloga you cannot judge who is experienced and who is not.  I have seen players in Berloga who have excellent statistics and in other servers like Finnish or Wol or Combat Box are not so good.

[BOO]

1 hour ago, dgiatr said:

Since there are external views and you can escape when you loose the advantage in Berloga you cannot judge who is experienced and who is not.  I have seen players in Berloga who have excellent statistics and in other servers like Finnish or Wol or Combat Box are not so good.

Berloga has never appealed to me so i assumed it didnt have such crutches. Thanks for the correction.  

[Lens7]

14 hours ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

Unless you're lucky enough that it opens up when the attacker is close to you, you're unlikely to get the target before his bombs are off, so ideally it is best to spot the attacker when he's farther away, but as a plan B, it is an easy way to find someone.

That's partly why I mentioned the idea of just hugging the friendly OBJs at the early on, so that at least you're close enough to act once the guns open up. It's partly to presumably help you getting into the saddle, knowing how to engage an distracted target where you can be sure that he is actually distracted and not feigning it. And partly to help you more easily visualize the angles from which they may attack. And then maybe once you're a bit more comfortable with the mechanics you can start pushing out and ideally intercepting well out of risk range.

5 hours ago, BOO said:

The video from @356thFS_Drewm3i-VR show well the amount of additional scope you can enjoy on a mission based server. Try half of that in Beloga and you are mincemeat. I wouldnt expect anyone to go on  Beloga to have a one sided good time unless they had years of experience under their belt. 

That is definitely a reason why I felt so utterly helpless. Especially since there's no value in actually disengaging and turning to land, and that since its just a constant murder grind fest, hit and run doesn't work unless you had plenty of time to set up and plenty of experience to get it down to a science. Also again. External View. It's hard to understate just how much those two words may have helped me consider actually coming back. That it's not just that I suck ass, (I definitely do) but also that I was going against opponents who had more than just experience on their side.

[HazMatt]

Have you tried the normal server? It has simplified engine controls, air starts and icons but there are bases to land. It's not as realistic as something like combat box but I use it for practicing dogfighting and working on my gunnery. If nobody is there I use the 4vs4 for the same thing.

 

Personally I think that combat box with SRS is the most immersive server and good on realism. I also think that the normal server is the best to practice dogfighting since there are airstarts close together and you can be in a fight in less then a minute most of the time. I think the Berluga server is best for practicing IDing planes (which you will have to do on servers like combat box) but the thing I don't like is the tryhards that orbit high over the fight and bounce other players. (they seem to be able to tell which planes are the drones)

[Lens7]

On 8/17/2024 at 9:42 PM, HazMatt said:

Have you tried the normal server? It has simplified engine controls, air starts and icons but there are bases to land. It's not as realistic as something like combat box but I use it for practicing dogfighting and working on my gunnery. If nobody is there I use the 4vs4 for the same thing.

Personally I think that combat box with SRS is the most immersive server and good on realism. I also think that the normal server is the best to practice dogfighting since there are airstarts close together and you can be in a fight in less then a minute most of the time. I think the Berluga server is best for practicing IDing planes (which you will have to do on servers like combat box) but the thing I don't like is the tryhards that orbit high over the fight and bounce other players. (they seem to be able to tell which planes are the drones)

I tried the normal server today, while yes, faster to get into, it seems that there's no restrictions on planes. Result was trying to face off a Tempest. 

I did however go back to wings of liberty, which seems this balance of the normal server and Combat Box, mostly due to the simplified navigation. Otherwise it seems mostly the same in feel. 

Speaking of which, I almost got a kill, until a tree stole it from me. I saddled up and everything and before I open fired he hit a tree. Also I made the mistake of thinking I don't need to check my six over friendly territory, especially if most planes were centered around the last objective, so I got jumped. But I'll still want to pat myself on the back for managing to actually make it back home (not really, the map ended, but still I could've made it had I continued extending all the way back to the base. Still better than most of my other fighter experiences)

[HazMatt]

Good to hear your back at it! The normal server can be good at times and completely suck at other times.

 

Ah yes. The magical Tempest and trees. Two buzzkills lol.

 

If you haven't yet you may want to install SRS for IL2 as I find it very useful on Combat Box. 

[Patricks]

14 hours ago, Lens7 said:

I tried the normal server today, while yes, faster to get into, it seems that there's no restrictions on planes. Result was trying to face off a Tempest. 

I did however go back to wings of liberty, which seems this balance of the normal server and Combat Box, mostly due to the simplified navigation. Otherwise it seems mostly the same in feel. 

Speaking of which, I almost got a kill, until a tree stole it from me. I saddled up and everything and before I open fired he hit a tree. Also I made the mistake of thinking I don't need to check my six over friendly territory, especially if most planes were centered around the last objective, so I got jumped. But I'll still want to pat myself on the back for managing to actually make it back home (not really, the map ended, but still I could've made it had I continued extending all the way back to the base. Still better than most of my other fighter experiences)

 

Glad to see you are back at it! If you think the normal server is bad now, wait until next year when a Mig15 hits your 109 with a 30mm going 700kph in a BnZ! 😄

Edited August 21, 2024 by Patricks

[BlitzPig_EL]

That won't happen, as the Korean game will be incompatible with the current Great Battles series.