Aces of Thunder (PSVR2 and PCVR)

[Mysticpuma]

You know, for the cost of a PS5 and VR2 headset, it's a great experience just to fly, fire, dogfight and admire the VR experience .Yes it's simplistic but it's damn good fun.

Compared to a £4k PC and £800+ VR headset, then stick, pedals, etc, etc, it's an affordable option to dangle the bait of a bigger experience to gamers who may want to expand on their VR and flight sim experience based on the fun they have here.

 

It's just fun.

Edited August 24 by Mysticpuma

[Aapje]

9 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Compared to a £4k PC and £800+ VR headset

 

That's very much an exaggeration.

[DD_Arthur]

3 hours ago, Aapje said:

 

That's very much an exaggeration.

 

It's not...

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I found Spotting/ID is the main source of setup headaches and temptation to shell out for a stupid PC, if that ever gets sorted, you can be happy with much humbler gear/less setup frustration.

 

[Aapje]

32 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

It's not...

 

A Quest 3 costs £469, not £800+.

 

And you can build a VR-capable PC for £2K.

[DD_Arthur]

35 minutes ago, Aapje said:

 

A Quest 3 costs £469, not £800+.

 

And you can build a VR-capable PC for £2K.

 

I could also fire up my old i7 3930k pc and my Occulus Rift S and have VR. It wouldn't be great but it's VR.

 

If you want to have a good experience in modern flight games like DCS, MSFS and the new titles coming and make the most of what they are capable of producing graphics wise then you're going to need something more than a Quest 3 and a 560ti.

 

A pc with a 5090 and a Pimax Crystal Light will cost exactly what Mysticpuma quoted...if you can get a 5090. A pc equipped with a 5080 will still come in at around 3k plus. 

The £4k pc is hardly an 'exaggeration'.

 

...or go the PS5 and VR2 route at considerably less cost...

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

Can't speak for future games, but if aces runs like Warthunder live then a humbler PC should be fine. I dicked around in it a half year or so ago, and I demolished it on a 4090, so lesser cards should be fine.

[Aapje]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

If you want to have a good experience in modern flight games like DCS, MSFS and the new titles coming and make the most of what they are capable of producing graphics wise then you're going to need something more than a Quest 3 and a 560ti.

 

You are giving two very different standards. Having a good time doesn't require maxed out hardware. Your other standard of making the most out of games inherently means that you need to get the most expensive hardware. This however is an extreme standard and most gamers do not follow that standard.

 

Secondly, you are moving the goal posts very far away from what @Mysticpuma argued and what I responded to, which was just having a fun time in VR. No mention of future titles or maxing out the games.

 

If I may make this analogy:

 

MysticPuma: You need to spend £XXX to be able to race a car

Me: No, you can do it on a much smaller budget with this hot hatch

You: But you will never win an F1 race with a hot hatch!

 

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

A pc with a 5090 and a Pimax Crystal Light will cost exactly what Mysticpuma quoted...if you can get a 5090. A pc equipped with a 5080 will still come in at around 3k plus. 

The £4k pc is hardly an 'exaggeration'.

 

...or go the PS5 and VR2 route at considerably less cost...

 

Except that the PS5 is about equivalent to a 2070. Even if we grant that the PS5 does more with the hardware, it is certainly not true that it can match a 5080 or 5090.

 

So acting as if a PS5/VR2 combo is equivalent to a 5080/5090 PC is insanely biased towards the console.

Edited August 25 by Aapje

[Mysticpuma]

7 hours ago, Aapje said:

 

A Quest 3 costs £469, not £800+.

 

And you can build a VR-capable PC for £2K.

I can build a photo or video editing rig for £250 on a laptop, doesn't mean it will be a good experience, just means it is capable of doing the job. 

Edited August 25 by Mysticpuma

[DD_Arthur]

45 minutes ago, Aapje said:

 @Mysticpuma

So acting as if a PS5/VR2 combo is equivalent to a 5080/5090 PC is insanely biased towards the console.

 

Despite your slightly ludicrous analogies I'm pointing out the obvious; 

Mysticpuma is quite right and hardly making any exaggeration as to the cost benefit of a console these days compared with the cost of buying a decent PC to run VR.

 

If you care to check out the support forums of any VR capable flight sim it's full of people either complaining about performance or trying to extract more performance. 

They're also full of people sporting top end pc's.

It doesn't just apply to VR. In MSFS2020 you can spend £2000 + these days and still not have a rig capable of running a large 4k screen as well as a £500 Xbox will.

 

Oh wait. I'm moving the goal posts apparently....

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I see aces being similar to something like Forza in the racing genre. Yeah some people stick with the cheap console game using an Xbox controller and with arcadier physics, but some get the itch for something more and move up to iracing with sim hardware and possibly VR.

[Aapje]

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Despite your slightly ludicrous analogies I'm pointing out the obvious;

 

I dunno. Is it really more ludicrous than arguing that it's unacceptable to have a gaming PC that can't run DCS and MSFS at very high settings in VR, but it's perfectly acceptable to get a PSVR2 setup that can't play either of those games...

 

Somehow it is perfectly acceptable to be totally limited to a single simming game when talking about PSVR, but when it's about a PC, then it's bad to actually have the option to play these games with lesser settings.

 

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Mysticpuma is quite right and hardly making any exaggeration as to the cost benefit of a console these days compared with the cost of buying a decent PC to run VR.

 

The PSVR2 is a fairly poor VR platform. There is a reason why they had to discount them absurdly low prices.

 

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

If you care to check out the support forums of any VR capable flight sim it's full of people either complaining about performance or trying to extract more performance.

 

That's because VR is more demanding, but that doesn't mean that you can't have fun with slightly worse quality.

 

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

They're also full of people sporting top end pc's.

 

That's because extreme obsessives are far more likely to spend their time on those forums. The surveys clearly show that this is actually a small minority of gamers.

 

Also, there is a group for whom nothing is good enough, so of course those will complain no matter how powerful their gear is.

 

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

It doesn't just apply to VR. In MSFS2020 you can spend £2000 + these days and still not have a rig capable of running a large 4k screen as well as a £500 Xbox will.

 

Wait, so you are supposed to get an Xbox and a PS5? Or did the goal posts move again?

[Lusekofte]

My problem is. Buying a 5060 is a utter waste of money. So is a 5090. PC for flightsims start to get too expencive. 
for the price of a 5090 you would expect 6 to 10 years of fun in my mind. But we all know if your lucky you only get half that. A 5060, ti or not would to my use not be bothered with. 
I got far too good and expencive hardware to abandon going for console gaming too. 
I would not be surprised if I sold it and gave the whole thing up, when my rig can’t take DCS anymore 

I just no longer can’t justify the purchase of a new rig. 

Edited August 26 by Lusekofte