Presenting our new title, Korea. IL-2 Series

[Bell]

17 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

…and so it is…or did the Yak 9, La-11, Corsair and Mustang get retrofitted with turbines since last time I looked?

There would be four props and four jets,you think this can be called 'piston based',then I can call it 'jet based' too.Why didn't they call it 'jet based'?Are they afraid we'll know it's Korea?

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, PivoYvo said:

no interest in these planes

 

Half of the plane set are WWII aircraft types... they are the type of planes you like to fly, or is it because they don't have a shed load of 109's and 190's in the mix?

 

2 hours ago, Sobilak said:

Choosing Korea as a theater of war will not attract as many players as WW2 and will not bring much profit.

 

You have no way of knowing that, because if that were true, the devs would never have started the bloody thing would they.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Trooper117

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Is there the possibility of same of the new technologies will be implemented in the current IL2 GB modules.?

I highly dobit it, did RoF get any FC improvments ? I think not

[kodam]

18 hours ago, LukeFF said:

2025 release date, probably about a year from now. 

 

The note about the lack of trees has been discussed internally, but I don't think a decision has been made yet. 

 

The career will start in April 1951 so I think that precludes a South Korean career, but I am sure there will be plenty of content that will cover stuff like that. 

Thank you for your answer.

Does that mean the ROK Air Force career will not be included in the game?

 

The South Korean Air Force and F-51 have been deployed since July 1950, so I think we can put in the South Korean Air Force career even if the background of the game is April 1951. Major Kim Too-man of the Republic of Korea Air Force achieved 100 sorties in January 1952 and the bombing of the Seunghori Railway Bridge was in January 1952, so i think that the career of the Republic of Korea Air Force can be included.

 

And can you give me an answer about the camera control? I pray it's the same as the GB series. Please, please, please

Edited June 27, 2024 by kodam

[Sobilak]

34 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

You have no way of knowing that, because if that were true, the devs would never have started the bloody thing would they.

I know the Korean War is called the "Forgotten War". I wonder why?

I also know (but only because I am interested in history) that it was a war between South Korea and North Korea ( "imperialists" versus communists), with a large participation of the USA and its coalition partners, and "indirect" participation of the USSR and China.

However, WW2 is known to everyone because it was World War. Hence my suspicions that the Korean War flight simulator will not attract as many players as the WW2 flight simulator.

[Avimimus]

When talking about what the developers will do, please make it clear that you are speculating. The fact is we don't know, and in some respects, the developers themselves may not know. Software development is complicated. Let's also limit the speculation about financial viability.

[R7-S276]

…don’t forget, us, the customers, we are the financial support… 😇

[Avimimus]

24 minutes ago, Sobilak said:

However, WW2 is known to everyone because it was World War. Hence my suspicions that the Korean War flight simulator will not attract as many players as the WW2 flight simulator.

 

A lot of people said a flight simulator about the World War II eastern Europe wouldn't sell. But it did. I think a lot of what matters is the quality of the product and how interesting it is... sure, some titles will attract more people initially because people are already familiar with the subject area, but there is also the effect that a good flight simulator can make people a lot more interested in a subject area.

 

Back in 2000, when Il-2 was announced, very few people knew much about WWII in Eastern Europe, and then it was almost entirely through a German post-war lens. Things changed quickly. 

[CountZero]

28 minutes ago, Sobilak said:

I know the Korean War is called the "Forgotten War". I wonder why?

I also know (but only because I am interested in history) that it was a war between South Korea and North Korea ( "imperialists" versus communists), with a large participation of the USA and its coalition partners, and "indirect" participation of the USSR and China.

However, WW2 is known to everyone because it was World War. Hence my suspicions that the Korean War flight simulator will not attract as many players as the WW2 flight simulator.

On WT for many years MIG-15 vs F-86 was beat airplanes, planty kids who played that last 10years know about them, so i guess they will try to expand, also on dcs you have them but again nothing historical to do exept df, so another place to expand player base.

3 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

A lot of people said a flight simulator about the World War II eastern Europe wouldn't sell. But it did. I think a lot of what matters is the quality of the product and how interesting it is... sure, some titles will attract more people initially because people are already familiar with the subject area, but there is also the effect that a good flight simulator can make people a lot more interested in a subject area.

 

Back in 2000, when Il-2 was announced, very few people knew much about WWII in Eastern Europe, and then it was almost entirely through a German post-war lens. Things changed quickly. 

True , but no 109s and 190s in Korea while there was planty on east front

Edited June 27, 2024 by CountZero

[EAF19_Marsh]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

A lot of people said a flight simulator about the World War II eastern Europe wouldn't sell. But it did. I think a lot of what matters is the quality of the product and how interesting it is... sure, some titles will attract more people initially because people are already familiar with the subject area, but there is also the effect that a good flight simulator can make people a lot more interested in a subject area.

 

Back in 2000, when Il-2 was announced, very few people knew much about WWII in Eastern Europe, and then it was almost entirely through a German post-war lens. Things changed quickly. 

 

The usefully concurrent publication of Beavor's Stalingrad helped. But I totally agree, it was a bolt from the blue and I was captivated by the idea.

[danielprates]

I wonder where the Korea forum will be embedded. Here amongst the other titles, I hope.

[Trooper117]

Go to the top of the page and you will see it's own tab...

[Aapje]

6 hours ago, Sobilak said:

Choosing Korea as a theater of war will not attract as many players as WW2 and will not bring much profit.

 

It has the potential to bring jet players in from DCS who never gave IL-2 a chance and then convert them to the more close in fighting.

 

6 hours ago, Bell said:

If they want to focus on WWII, they won't choose Korea.They will never go back to WWII again,they will only make more and more modern things.

 

Why do you state things with confidence when you can't know these things?

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

…don’t forget, us, the customers, we are the financial support… 😇

You said that you’re not buying it.  So they can actually stop listening to you.

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, Bell said:

There would be four props and four jets,you think this can be called 'piston based',then I can call it 'jet based' too.Why didn't they call it 'jet based'?Are they afraid we'll know it's Korea?

They never said its gona be poston based, go rewatch video from where ppl pick up that wrong quote and run with it...

3 hours ago, Maximum_G said:

Nah. I was referring to the era before 1946 came out. The air quake servers were still not a thing. The most populated servers at that time were WarClouds and spits vs 109 apart from those air war COOP lobbies.

I played then and there was no more then 1000ppl on HL, and there was servers like skies of valor and others with icons or half icons also as popular as others with out icons... now here in GB you have 90% MP icons off, rest of icons on players are in WT, same ppl who played old il-2 on HL, this game lacks heavy in servers ability to edit icons displyed for player, so it cant grew this type of players any more, and new players are usealy icons on, then they go in more boring and slow icons off enviroment

Edited June 27, 2024 by CountZero

[Avimimus]

5 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

You said that you’re not buying it.  So they can actually stop listening to you.

 

Touché

 

That said, right now the pre-ordering hasn't started 😄 So, I suppose that applies to most of us.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, danielprates said:

I wonder where the Korea forum will be embedded. Here amongst the other titles, I hope.

no forum is modern way

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, Avimimus said:

 

Touché

 

That said, right now the pre-ordering hasn't started 😄 So, I suppose that applies to most of us.

It is true that they don’t have to listen to any of us.  And there will be features or changes that a significant number of people will disagree with or dislike.  They don’t listen to all of us because it’s literally impossible.  But they’re absolutely not going to care about the opinions of people who announce that they’re not buying a product.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

4 hours ago, Sobilak said:

However, WW2 is known to everyone because it was World War. Hence my suspicions that the Korean War flight simulator will not attract as many players as the WW2 flight simulator.

Back in the day when there was still real speculation about what the next title would be about, I did a short "popularity" and "feasibility" analysis about some of the options, including Sicily, Battle of France, Battle of Berlin, the Spanish Civil War and Korea. One popularity metric I thought of was comparing Wikipedia page views of the main pages about those subjects, presuming that's where someone with a general interest but no specific knowledge would go. The Korean War scored the absolute highest of everything, by far. In fact, the Korean War has even more page views than Normandy Landings and Operation Overlord combined! Basically on all "feasibility metrics" I used, Korea scored very high and the only reason it wasn't my top candidate at first was that they said the new title would be propeller-based as well as not in the Pacific region. Both of which are open to interpretation, as it turns out.

 

Similarly if you look at some famous aircraft from both wars (F-86, P-51, P-47, F-4U, Spitfire, Hurricane, Bf-109, Fw-190, Yak-9, Mig-15), you'll find that the only real standout it the Mustang (which fought in both wars). The Spitfire and 109 have clearly more pageviews than the others too, as well as to a lesser extent the Corsair (again, both wars) but after that the most popular aircraft are the Sabre and Mig-15!

 

TLDR: of all possible options for a next title, Korea seems to be the one that the general public is most interested in. Even when specifically looking at the aircraft involved, Korea scores pretty good.

Edited June 27, 2024 by AEthelraedUnraed

[BlitzPig_EL]

All I know is that taking a Corsair, fully loaded for ground attack, into the valleys of Korea and dodging AAA to attack ground units is going to be a wonderful challenge, and doing the same thing in a faster F80 or F84 is going to be an even greater challenge.  What fun.

[Marcio]

Excellent Surprise!!!
Really congratulations on the initiative, addressing the scenario of a conflict not addressed in other simulators!!!
Quad-engines, landscape of the Far East...
...I hope that there will also be naval air battles, large concentrations of aircraft, aerial refueling and that these new programming algorithms will be applied to the already existing Great Battles series!!!
Possibility, during campaigns, to land at airports for repair, ammunition reloading and refueling of the aircraft and to take off again continuing the same mission.
A campaign environment with a wide variety of missions and a high degree of realism, physics and difficulty in combat against fighters, bombers, ground troops, anti-aircraft artillery, ships and submarines.
And please, fussy demands like "I don't want to be chased back to my base after finishing the mission" or "the density of enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft fire is too high" must be summarily ignored!!!
Good luck in the new simulator!
If the work is successful, it will open up enormous possibilities such as the Arab-Israeli Wars, the Vietnam War and why not, the great battles of the Pacific...Midway, Okinawa, Leyte Gulf, Iwo Jima...!!!

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

All I know is that taking a Corsair, fully loaded for ground attack, into the valleys of Korea and dodging AAA to attack ground units is going to be a wonderful challenge, and doing the same thing in a faster F80 or F84 is going to be an even greater challenge.  What fun.

Which begs the question of compelling single player content and if that will improve significantly or continue to be left up to campaign creators   - I’m guessing/hoping the answer is yes. 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

" But they’re absolutely not going to care about the opinions of people who announce that they’re not buying a product."

Perhaps.   But hard to see any logical thought behind that if true.

46 minutes ago, Marcio said:

If the work is successful, it will open up enormous possibilities such as the Arab-Israeli Wars, the Vietnam War and why not, the great battles of the Pacific...Midway, Okinawa, Leyte Gulf, Iwo Jima...!!!

The Faulands, Isreal/hamas, or Ukraine as well..

Edited June 27, 2024 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, kodam said:

Thank you for your answer.

Does that mean the ROK Air Force career will not be included in the game?

 

The South Korean Air Force and F-51 have been deployed since July 1950, so I think we can put in the South Korean Air Force career even if the background of the game is April 1951. Major Kim Too-man of the Republic of Korea Air Force achieved 100 sorties in January 1952 and the bombing of the Seunghori Railway Bridge was in January 1952, so i think that the career of the Republic of Korea Air Force can be included.

 

And can you give me an answer about the camera control? I pray it's the same as the GB series. Please, please, please

 

An ROK career is not planned for the initial release. It's is a good candidate for the future, but for right now it's not in any plans I know of. 

 

Camera controls I'm not sure of right now. Lots and lots has yet to be revealed. 

[Aapje]

@AEthelraedUnraed

 

Yeah, I don't get why so many people are complaining. The F86 / MIG matchup is great and there is a ton of diversity possible in this setting. 

 

I think that this is just a vocal minority and it will actually appeal to many.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Aapje said:

Why do you state things with confidence when you can't know these things?

 

Agreed. @Bell, please refrain from making such statements going forward. WWII is still very much in the plans for the future. It's just going to be in this new series. 

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Marcio said:

Excellent Surprise!!!
Really congratulations on the initiative, addressing the scenario of a conflict not addressed in other simulators!!!
Quad-engines, landscape of the Far East...
...I hope that there will also be naval air battles, large concentrations of aircraft, aerial refueling and that these new programming algorithms will be applied to the already existing Great Battles series!!!
Possibility, during campaigns, to land at airports for repair, ammunition reloading and refueling of the aircraft and to take off again continuing the same mission.
A campaign environment with a wide variety of missions and a high degree of realism, physics and difficulty in combat against fighters, bombers, ground troops, anti-aircraft artillery, ships and submarines.
And please, fussy demands like "I don't want to be chased back to my base after finishing the mission" or "the density of enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft fire is too high" must be summarily ignored!!!
Good luck in the new simulator!
If the work is successful, it will open up enormous possibilities such as the Arab-Israeli Wars, the Vietnam War and why not, the great battles of the Pacific...Midway, Okinawa, Leyte Gulf, Iwo Jima...!!!

 

It’s a long way to fall from up there.

 

FYI modeling a MiG 15 or F-86 does not much resemble modeling an F-4. So I don’t see the “opens the door” logic in this case, but in others absolutely. The improvements in the engine and capabilities alone opens the door to being competitive and successful overall. 

Getting carrier tech in place will “open doors”  However 2nd gen jets to 3rd gen jets - quantum leap from a development standpoint. I personally would not want to be planning an F-4 right now.

 

Don’t expect any massive shifts in philosophy. (What is important, what isn’t)

Manage expectations 

 

Best thing they can do IMHO follow up with a carrier/F9F and then use that “open door” to develop PTO.

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2024 by Gambit21

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Best thing they can do IMHO follow up with a carrier/F9F and then use that “open door” to develop PTO.

 

This is a must for Korea...

 

[Patricks]

The Bridges at Toko Ri!

[sevenless]

3 hours ago, Aapje said:

I think that this is just a vocal minority and it will actually appeal to many.

 

It indeed is. Most customers don´t bother to even read forums. 1C has their target group analysis in place, you can bet on that.

[Gambit21]

19 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 1C has their target group analysis in place, you can bet on that.

E-Games

 

 

 

[Avimimus]

21 minutes ago, sevenless said:

It indeed is. Most customers don´t bother to even read forums. 1C has their target group analysis in place, you can bet on that.

 

It might be telling that the SCW repeatedly comes up as one of the two most exciting theatres whenever forum members/denizens are polled 😄

[sevenless]

1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

E-Games

 

 

 

Sure they go where the money is. Nobody can blame them. We all on this forum are fans of a niche within a niche genre. No commercial entity can survive with only catering to these few people.

[JG1_Wittmann]

I think this. Will perhaps signal the slow wind down and eventual death of the company.  Korea as far as i know has never had a huge sim success.   WW2. Is always a winner, no matter the front.  I would have thought that continued fleshing out of ww2,   and more. Done in tank crew. With. More tanks,td's, mobile artillery and scout cars would heve been exciting.    It appears, that the majority of us, or a large swathe will simply need to hold on, continue to play il2.  Until the next ww2 sim comes out...   additionally, i do not think that the new. Pacific theater game being worked on will be that next great thing.   A novelty game with probably lower draw, much like this new korea game will be unfortunately

[Rjel]

58 minutes ago, Patricks said:

The Bridges at Toko Ri!

Or Men of the Fighting Lady. Not quite the same caliber of film, but well worth a watch. 

[Gambit21]

11 hours ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

I think this. Will perhaps signal the slow wind down and eventual death of the company.  Korea as far as i know has never had a huge sim success.   WW2. Is always a winner, no matter the front.  I would have thought that continued fleshing out of ww2,   and more. Done in tank crew. With. More tanks,td's, mobile artillery and scout cars would heve been exciting.    It appears, that the majority of us, or a large swathe will simply need to hold on, continue to play il2.  Until the next ww2 sim comes out...   additionally, i do not think that the new. Pacific theater game being worked on will be that next great thing.   A novelty game with probably lower draw, much like this new korea game will be unfortunately

Nah

MiG Alley did well, and I think this product will as well

Further, I’m not sure what filter you’re looking through, but PTO is the opposite (within the context of this niche genre) of a “novelty game with lower draw” 

 

Check your bias and filter settings. PTO is the money that’s been sitting on the table.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

They're still making the game historical, if the e-gamer hordes end up liking it too, then it just means more money for features/content. If you're a single player person you'll never play with the gamers anyways and it won't affect you, and if you're a multiplayer person just don't go on servers you find too gamey, and it also won't affect you.

 

If I died in Korea and decades later some nerds were snubbing their nose at my war thinking it's a forgotten loser war I'd be pretty salty, so making the forgotten war unforgotten is a good way to appreciate history.

[BlitzPig_EL]

11 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Nah

MiG Alley did well, and I think this product will as well

Further, I’m not sure what filter you’re looking through, but PTO is the opposite (within the context of this niche genre) of a “novelty game with lower draw” 

 

Check your bias and filter settings. PTO is the money that’s been sitting on the table.

 

This x100000000000.

 

 

[Bell]

9 hours ago, Aapje said:

Why do you state things with confidence when you can't know these things?

When a WWII developer develops postwar things,look at war thunder.

 

8 hours ago, CountZero said:

They never said its gona be poston based, go rewatch video from where ppl pick up that wrong quote and run with it...

 

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

They're still making the game historical, if the e-gamer hordes end up liking it too, then it just means more money for features/content. If you're a single player person you'll never play with the gamers anyways and it won't affect you, and if you're a multiplayer person just don't go on servers you find too gamey, and it also won't affect you.

Not really, as it affects how much attention certain aspects of the game receive/don’t receive. So I doesn’t actually pan out necessarily as you say. Fly a few career missions and note the sterile airfields as one example. I could go on. but I don’t want to wind down that path here beyond this.