Presenting our new title, Korea. IL-2 Series

[CountZero]

6 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Not to be a sourpuss here, I really wish that the Invasion of Sicily was done after BoN before doing Korea. It would have been the perfect place to cap off the GBs series with a place that has never been properly covered before, would have given us some more Italian birds, planes for the prelude to D-Day like the Beaufighter, P-40K, Spitfire Mk. VIII and a flyable B-25. Plus we can also use the map for the Siege of Malta and would have made the MC 202 no longer a white elephant. I never bought the devs’ reasoning for not doing it because it was too urban and would require Rome. That sounded more like an excuse to that they just didn’t want to do it because Rome and Naples wouldn’t be required and the furthest north the map would extend to would be Salerno.

this is exactly what i expected after they finished BoN and started to be coy with info, some ppl 2 years ago were sure its Korea, i said they are mental no way its Korea and on top that its separate from GB it makes no logic to do that, but here we are, new game and its Korea...  

[Bell]

1 hour ago, Sobilak said:

Hi.

Bell

I think Korea is a good chose to create new project with new features and improvements on new engine but not for make money.

I don't hate Korea,just thinking IL-2 should focus on WWII.Play jets in IL-2?Why don't I play DCS?Why do they compete with DCS?People who focus on World War II will choose IL-2, while those who focus on jets will choose DCS.While 1CGS is trying to change this.For the past two years, I have been sneering at rumors about Korea until today...We were told it would be piston engine based,no carrier,no four-engined bombers,no big city.

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

They need to atract more players, jets are made popular in recent years by WT, so its shoot in dark, if it dont work out they can just go back to ww2 nothing lost, aslo in mean time they will just keep GB active, new collector fighters, Odessa and so on... ppl who dont buy Korea will buy GB stuff

I don't want to see IL-2 made by 1CGS become another war thunder.Once they start to make postwar things, they can't stop.

Edited June 26, 2024 by Bell

[CountZero]

1 minute ago, Bell said:

I don't hate Korea,just thinking IL-2 should focus on WWII.Play jets in IL-2?Why don't I play DCS?For the past two years, I have been sneering at rumors about Korea until today...We were told it would be piston engine based,no carrier,no four-engined bombers,no big city.

I don't want to see IL-2 made by 1CGS become another war thunder.Once they start to make postwar staffs, they can't stop.

it will never be anything like WT, it will just be option for WT jet players to expiriance full on historical correct campaign and MP enviroment, with same airplanes

[Bell]

35 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

It would have been the perfect place to cap off the GBs series with a place that has never been properly covered before

They have many uncovered WWII choices like CBI,MTO,France and inter war Spain but they jumped to Korea...

Edited June 26, 2024 by Bell

[Juri_JS]

1 hour ago, kodam said:

 

Third question is the opinion that there are too many trees in the mountain shown in the screenshot released, are you willing to reduce the amount of trees?

Since the Joseon Dynasty, there have been very few trees in the mountains because logging has been prevalent to support the large population. Then, after becoming a Japanese colony, Japan started the Pacific War and cut down even more severely, so there were no trees left in the mountains during the Korean War.

That's a good point. What can be seen in films and photos of the war looks more like a mix of grassland and shrubland in the mountains.

It would  certainly help the devs if someone finds a map showing the few forest areas in Korea during the 1950s.

[Bell]

31 minutes ago, CountZero said:

it will never be anything like WT, it will just be option for WT jet players to expiriance full on historical correct campaign and MP enviroment, with same airplanes

What I mean is to constantly release new vehicles like WT, and even added to the game earlier than entering service in reality

[Guster]

I don't mind a bit of rock 'n' roll era jet action. I'll keep an eye out for good deals on hair products that will enable me to get a prober DA. Just for the sake of immersion.

[Avimimus]

14 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

That's a good point. What can be seen in films and photos of the war looks more like a mix of grassland and shrubland in the mountains.

It would  certainly help the devs if someone finds a map showing the few forest areas in Korea during the 1950s.

 

I tried looking up some maps - and a lot of the mid-twentieth century ones conflate 'woodland' and 'scrub'... a bit annoying. Interestingly, there are several different types of forest (at least four), plus grazing, dry farmland, and rice paddies... so it is potentially a quite varied map.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Korea is a logical next step, and a perfect cap on the kind of air combat that was the mainstay since the Great War.  Stick and rudder piloting, and guns.  No guided weapons, no BVR kills, just real pilots against other pilots, not systems managers with egos and Ray Bans pushing buttons while staring at a display panel.

 

Korea is the last conflict of the classical fighter pilot and fighter aircraft.  I eagerly await it.

[Bell]

Another problem with Korea is the balance between piston engine planes and jet planes, as it seems that the Me 262 is banned in servers, and the performance gap between the first generation jets and piston engine planes is even greater.

[Gambit21]

4 minutes ago, Bell said:

Another problem with Korea is the balance between piston engine planes and jet planes, as it seems that the Me 262 is banned in servers, and the performance gap between the first generation jets and piston engine planes is even greater.

Stay away from “Air Quake” e-games.

 

Any sever that bans the 262 clearly caters to this. 

 

This is why we need a proper lobby/CoOps back as it’s easier to set up proper missions. I’ve given up hope on that one.

[Trooper117]

Lots of bleating about Korea going on... yet we all knew it was coming, they even showed us screenshots of obvious aircraft that were in Korea for god's sake, so this should not be a surprise to anyone.

We also see posts 'worrying' about 'balance'... you want historical accuracy? well then, you are getting it. War is never balanced. You have what you have and you have to fight with it until something better turns up.

Talking about history, at the end of WWII we were fighting with props and jets, but only five years later we were at war again... so logically what will we see in Korean war fighting?... yep, you got it, props and jets!

If you look at the ground war, you could be mistaken that you were still in WWII, as the uniforms and vehicles, tanks etc were still very much the same.

In the air, familiar prop aircraft from WWII, but also more jets, some of them better than what WWII had to offer, but similar combat with guns and cannons, but faster speeds and closure rates...

It's certainly not that different from late WWII action... I think most people will enjoy it!  

[CountZero]

29 minutes ago, Bell said:

Another problem with Korea is the balance between piston engine planes and jet planes, as it seems that the Me 262 is banned in servers, and the performance gap between the first generation jets and piston engine planes is even greater.

but in korea both sides have jets, in ww2 they didnt give allieds jets, so afcorse 262 is limited or baned, korea is proper jet arena

3 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Lots of bleating about Korea going on... yet we all knew it was coming, they even showed us screenshots of obvious aircraft that were in Korea for god's sake, so this should not be a surprise to anyone.

We also see posts 'worrying' about 'balance'... you want historical accuracy? well then, you are getting it. War is never balanced. You have what you have and you have to fight with it until something better turns up.

Talking about history, at the end of WWII we were fighting with props and jets, but only five years later we were at war again... so logically what will we see in Korean war fighting?... yep, you got it, props and jets!

If you look at the ground war, you could be mistaken that you were still in WWII, as the uniforms and vehicles, tanks etc were still very much the same.

In the air, familiar prop aircraft from WWII, but also more jets, some of them better than what WWII had to offer, but similar combat with guns and cannons, but faster speeds and closure rates...

It's certainly not that different from late WWII action... I think most people will enjoy it!  

but what you fail to acount is that in game you have 32 vs 32, so there were 262 used but not 32 262s vs 32 P-51s, if it was the case then americans would send P-80s in fight in real war, thats why in game things are balanced out because everyone wonts best airplane, no limit that real war had... SO its not just simple as copy paste real war types and have a go... if germans had all every fighter 262 and fuel for them and eaqual number as americans, americans would not be using numbers advantages of old types they would send thier best.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

We currently have historical and ahistorical plane sets in BoX servers, and I don't see why that would be any different in Korea for people pessimistic about jets curb stomping props 24/7. There's no reason we can't color outside the historical lines and make whatever plane set/numbers would create interesting gameplay.

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Bell said:

I don't hate Korea,just thinking IL-2 should focus on WWII.Play jets in IL-2?

 

Ever hear of the Me-262? Arado?

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

Why don't I play DCS?

 

Nobody is too interested, but go ahead and tell us. 
 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

Why do they compete with DCS?

 

They already compete with DCS.

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

People who focus on World War II will choose IL-2,

 

…and DCS, and soon CP

 

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

while those who focus on jets will choose DCS.

 

…and IL2, and BMS

 

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

While 1CGS is trying to change this.

 

Not so much.

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

For the past two years, I have been sneering at rumors about Korea until today...

 

That’s because you had your head in the sand not paying attention. 
Next time listen.

 

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

 

We were told it would be piston engine based,

 

…and so it is…or did the Yak 9, La-11, Corsair and Mustang get retrofitted with turbines since last time I looked?

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

 

no carrier,no four-engined bombers,no big city.

 

…and?

 

 

2 hours ago, Bell said:

I don't want to see IL-2 made by 1CGS become another war thunder.Once they start to make postwar things, they can't stop.

A nonsensical capper to a completely nonsensical rant.

 

 

[Trooper117]

42 minutes ago, CountZero said:

but what you fail to acount is that in game you have 32 vs 32, so there were 262 used but not 32 262s vs 32 P-51s,

 

Yet again, here we have MP bias in action... flight sims are not all about the MP scene as we all know, the vast majority of players belong to the SP crowd.

But as Jenkem Junkie has pointed out, there are different servers that do historical settings as well as ahistorical servers to cater for different crowds.

[Avimimus]

28 minutes ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

We currently have historical and ahistorical plane sets in BoX servers, and I don't see why that would be any different in Korea for people pessimistic about jets curb stomping props 24/7. There's no reason we can't color outside the historical lines and make whatever plane set/numbers would create interesting gameplay.

 

A lot of the causalities were also propeller driven aircraft, and they did a lot of the combat:

On 1/3/2024 at 10:15 PM, deathmisser said:

I've been looking at the causality list and you can make up at least one module with just props.

 

You could just make a second one again with just props at a push.

While a third can be just jets. 

 

If they are going to make a series out of Korea then I would like them to add as many plane as possible over X amount of modules.  

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

Thats good. The historical only people can enjoy the props too then.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, kodam said:

As a Korean(south), I appreciate that IL-2's new work is based on the Korean War.

However, on the other hand, I am worried that there will be few air battles except for the MiG Alley zone because North Korea's air force is weak.

 

Still, as I've enjoyed all the IL-2 series and Rise of Flight so far, I'm sure you'll make this new game well.

 

Anyway, I have some questions.

 

Is the camera control in IL-2 Korea the same as the GB or RoF?

As you can see from the video I recorded, in GB and RoF, I was able to move the pilot's head forward, back, left, right, up and down freely, so I was able to control the camera with just my keyboard. Equipment such as Track IR was a burden on my neck, so I really liked the GB series, which allows me to control the camera freely with just a keyboard. Thanks to this, I was able to enjoy the game enough with just the joystick and keyboard.

 

Hopefully the camera control is the same as GB.

 

 

 

The second question is, can I also proceed with career as a Republic of Korea Air Force?

It would be a great honor to be able to operate as the first Korean Air Force as a Korean.  Lieutenant Dean Hess and the Bout-1 Squadron, and F-51 Mustang emblazoned with '信念의 鳥人(Per Fidem Volo)', and the bombing of the Seunghori railway bridge. Oh, my God. It would be a tremendous touch to see these things in a game.

 

Third question is the opinion that there are too many trees in the mountain shown in the screenshot released, are you willing to reduce the amount of trees?

Since the Joseon Dynasty, there have been very few trees in the mountains because logging has been prevalent to support the large population. Then, after becoming a Japanese colony, Japan started the Pacific War and cut down even more severely, so there were no trees left in the mountains during the Korean War.

 

Last question, when will it be released? 😄

 

2025 release date, probably about a year from now. 

 

The note about the lack of trees has been discussed internally, but I don't think a decision has been made yet. 

 

The career will start in April 1951 so I think that precludes a South Korean career, but I am sure there will be plenty of content that will cover stuff like that. 

[Avimimus]

18 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

The career will start in April 1951 so I think that precludes a South Korean career, but I am sure there will be plenty of content that will cover stuff like that. 

 

I believe Black Six said the period before 1951 could still be covered with scripted campaigns if we chose - it is just that the new campaign system doesn't go that far back.

[Trooper117]

9 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I believe Black Six said the period before 1951 could still be covered with scripted campaigns if we chose - it is just that the new campaign system doesn't go that far back.

 

IL2 GB started with the Battle of Stalingrad... that was followed by the Battle of Moscow, an earlier time period in the war. There is no reason they couldn't do the same for Korea...

[No105_Swoose]

13 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I believe Black Six said the period before 1951 could still be covered with scripted campaigns if we chose - it is just that the new campaign system doesn't go that far back.

Thanks. Good point.  North Korean Peoples Air Force use of Yak-9s and IL-10s in the early days of the invasion after 25 June 1950 would need to be a scripted campaign.  Really looking forward to IL-2 Series: Korea!

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Yet again, here we have MP bias in action... flight sims are not all about the MP scene as we all know, the vast majority of players belong to the SP crowd.

But as Jenkem Junkie has pointed out, there are different servers that do historical settings as well as ahistorical servers to cater for different crowds.

Yes i used MP example as hes talking about jets baned on servers, in SP you can do what you wont, make it so only axis airplane for fighter bomber transport, recon was 262, and allieds had only i-153 vs it, or you can make it so that you play 30 missions and dont see a single axis fighter during your bomb runs... in MP usealy you have problems where every player thinks he have to fly what he wonts no mather what, but servers that try to mimic situation on front will not have unlimited 262s when they have limited slots...

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

A good amount of the player base already believes the 262 doesn't mix well with the props, so I dont think it will be too hard to find people who want to enjoy the props without dealing with 262s on steroids. Jets might end up more popular, but I dont think it's unlikely that props will find a place too. They picked popular prop planes.

[Aapje]

18 minutes ago, No105_Swoose said:

North Korean Peoples Air Force use of Yak-9s and IL-10s in the early days of the invasion after 25 June 1950 would need to be a scripted campaign.

It seems likely that either 1CGS or a community member like @Jaegermeister will make such an campaign.

 

@=MERCS=JenkemJunkie

 

Someone can always run a server where the jets are banned.

[Gunfreak]

On 6/25/2024 at 4:33 PM, LuftManu said:

I really like these screenshots:
 

 

Troops on the back on some trucks and the new 3D trees

(zoomed in)
Look at those sun reflections on that fuel tank and T-34 85s

 

 

Tress look better than IL2. However the basic ground textures/graas looks to be exactly the same as IL2. And that's not good.

I also hope they seriously improve the graphics on explosions and overall sounds. Also hope we get free moving infantry.

[1./JG42flesch]

New Korea,

so many Time periods and Planes failed in WWII and now Korea-- thats totally BS.

No Interest and no Money from Me

[LukeFF]

8 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Tress look better than IL2. However the basic ground textures/graas looks to be exactly the same as IL2. And that's not good.

 

We've already explained the ground features are WIP (see the post at the top of this page). Please be patient - we're barely on day 2. 🙂

[AEthelraedUnraed]

52 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

2025 release date, probably about a year from now. 

 

The note about the lack of trees has been discussed internally, but I don't think a decision has been made yet. 

 

The career will start in April 1951 so I think that precludes a South Korean career, but I am sure there will be plenty of content that will cover stuff like that. 

Thanks for the info - but as a request, may I suggest the following?

 

Right now, it's pretty hard to keep track of all the new info that gets released by various persons in various posts at various times. Would it be possible to duplicate those posts to somewhere (perhaps the Announcements board?) where one could easily read all the new info without all the clutter of posts that are either enthousiastic/disappointed about Korea, (dis)agree with 1CGS's marketing strategy, are worried (or not) about the new changes, are [opt/pess]imistic about the new game etc., without giving any actual information?

[LukeFF]

2 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Thanks for the info - but as a request, may I suggest the following?

 

Right now, it's pretty hard to keep track of all the new info that gets released by various persons in various posts at various times. Would it be possible to duplicate those posts to somewhere (perhaps the Announcements board?) where one could easily read all the new info without all the clutter of posts that are either enthousiastic/disappointed about Korea, (dis)agree with 1CGS's marketing strategy, are worried (or not) about the new changes, are [opt/pess]imistic about the new game etc., without giving any actual information?

 

Well, we do have a whole new website up. 🙂 

 

Otherwise, yes, information will be gathered and more streamlined as the time allows. Until then, I'll continue pinning posts with helpful information at the top of the page. 

[nrosko]

Will this have better CPU optimization? 

It mentions DX12 but i do not want to take for granted that it will feature support for multithreading. This would be the most exciting thing for me, that my computer doesn't grind to a halt when there are more 2 aircraft in the vicinity. 

 

 

[R7-S276]

I am a fan of propeller blades, not jet… sorry 😞 

[Gambit21]

8 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

I am a fan of propeller blades, not jet… sorry 😞 

We get it.

The Corsair, Mustang, IL-10, Yak-9P and La-11 just don’t leave you anything to play with. So sad for you. 🥲

[Koziolek]

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

We get it.

The Corsair, Mustang, IL-10, Yak-9P and La-11 just don’t leave you anything to play with. So sad for you. 🥲

Is there a mention of La-11 somewhere? It is supposed to be 4 jets and 4 pistons. And with Corsair, IL-10, Mustang and Yak confirmed that's already 4 

[R7-S276]

what I mean is Korea would be a DLC for Il2 series and not a full new game, so people who like could buy it for cheap than a full new game, people who doesn’t like could not buy it and developers could still developing Il-2 new WW2 theaters on new DLC… What could be the expansion and the futur of a simulator only focus on the Korea war ?

[LuftManu]

17 minutes ago, R7-S276 said:

what I mean is Korea would be a DLC for Il2 series and not a full new game, so people who like could buy it for cheap than a full new game, people who doesn’t like could not buy it and developers could still developing Il-2 new WW2 theaters on new DLC… What could be the expansion and the futur of a simulator only focus on the Korea war ?

Hi,

 

The engine has been revamped in many areas, so it makes sense we just start with different game as to not have limitations from the GB engine. It's probably not compatible either, but we need official confirmation.

Making the Korean war on the Il-2 Series setting does not stop the developers to go back in time to WW2. In fact, I think the team wants to go to PTO, but first let's enjoy the "Forgotten War"

 

Kind regards,

[Trooper117]

There is still more IL2 GB stuff to come, planes, maps etc, but people moaning that they don't like jets... how about being positive about the WWII stuff still coming instead of coming into the Korea thread to moan about jets...

[Gambit21]

8 hours ago, Koziolek said:

Is there a mention of La-11 somewhere? It is supposed to be 4 jets and 4 pistons. And with Corsair, IL-10, Mustang and Yak confirmed that's already 4 

It will come be sure - might be later as a collector aircraft.

[Bo_Nidle]

I am all for this! I am  almost as big an enthusiast for the Korean war as I am for WW2.

 

Those that bemoan the fact that jets will be the focus seem to overlook the fact we already have one in IL2:GB and I don't see anyone complaining about that.

 

I fly DCS and enjoy flying the computers with wings that are modern jets, I enjoy the F-86 and Mig-15 on that too, but the problem with DCS is they never seem to fully develop any era whereas IL2 does. So dogfighting over the Yalu, ground attack with the P-51D (and Skyraider and Corsair) over a period correct Korea map are something I have been waiting for since the bygone days of "Mig Alley".

 

Plus I have the research and art ready to transfer from my DCS Sabres and Migs on to IL2 skins as I hope to back at skinning soon.

 

So for this project I say, with the utmost respect...

Edited June 26, 2024 by Bo_Nidle

[BlitzPig_EL]

Really looking forward to ground attack in the Corsair and F80.  Much mud moving in the future!