Special pre-order features

[von_Tom]

 

He has his knickers twisted about an advantage for unlocking stuff. It may give an online advantage. It's not really earth shattering.

 

As it is it isn't really pay to win as I didn't pay for it. I ordered beforehand so its a lovely surprise. On reflection it probably isn't a nice surprise as I'll mostly be in a 109 trying to shoot down IL2s.

 

Hood

[LukeFF]

 

Some of you guys will find a way to complain about everything. 

[theOden]

Thats why the ignore list feature of this forum is so valuable, use it.

[LuftManu]

In the whole ww2 , pilots flew diferent machines, and inferior machines won superior machines, its not all about the machine, its the pilot and if this is pay to win (that its not) you can still manage to defeat your enemies whit "smarter" moves, I love to get on "inferior" planes, and try to get on the six of my opponent, This Unlockeable from start doesent mean anything, im sure that you can still deactivate it if you want , and the Serverside option will Disable this, as wanted.

 

Really, you guys always complain. need to relax, i understand all of this becose its new, (you can always disable it on the server and singeplayer) .The most important thigs about simulators its that they are simulators because we play it like simulators.

Edited August 1, 2013 by .-RDS-.Manu_vc

[CrazySchmidt]

One thing I'm not clear on and am becoming more uncertain about the more I read in this forum is, will all content be available to offline players who do not play campaigns.

 

The extent of my game play has and always will be quick mission/custom built mission game play only. I'm getting the impression that certain planes will only be available when unlocked as some sort of reward through successful campaign completion.

 

Can anyone clarify this for me?

 

Cheers, CrazySchmidt.

[No105_Swoose]

Thank you 777 and 1CGS for making the IL-2 equipped with a ShKAS-armed rear gunner available to those who have pre-ordered or will by 1 September!   Please see my thread in Suggestions about improving communications with the AI rear gunner:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/682-improve-communications-il-2-ai-rear-gunner/?hl=rear+gunner

[FuriousMeow]

It was an in-field hack job. Did they have any comms between pilot and gunner aside from hand signals?

[BraveSirRobin]

One thing I'm not clear on and am becoming more uncertain about the more I read in this forum is, will all content be available to offline players who do not play campaigns.

 

The extent of my game play has and always will be quick mission/custom built mission game play only. I'm getting the impression that certain planes will only be available when unlocked as some sort of reward through successful campaign completion.

 

Can anyone clarify this for me?

 

Cheers, CrazySchmidt.

 

At this time they appear to be requiring MP and quick mission players to play the offline campaign to unlock content.  Hopefully the fact that everyone is telling them that it's a terrible idea will cause them to reconsider.

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

It's not pay to win, it's practice to win. This narrative that it is somehow pay to win is ridiculous no matter how much you try to spin it. It's a very simple concept, the more you play a certain type of aircraft the better you will get and be rewarded with more options and new types of missions, some more dangerous and different than others. All we are doing is adding some gameplay elements instead of straight sandbox all the time. But our system has a historical grounding based on real equipment and mission types, not make believe power ups etc. Does no one like a challenge any more? 

 

Also, we are giving you the IL-2 gunner mod as a thank you for pre-ordering early. We've done such rewards before in ROF for customer loyalty and support. Nothing new for us.

 

Jason

At this time they appear to be requiring MP and quick mission players to play the offline campaign to unlock content.  Hopefully the fact that everyone is telling them that it's a terrible idea will cause them to reconsider.

 

Sorry not everyone. 

 

Jason

[LuftManu]

Guys,

 

It's not pay to win, it's practice to win. This narrative that it is somehow pay to win is ridiculous no matter how much you try to spin it. It's a very simple concept, the more you play a certain type of aircraft the better you will get and be rewarded with more options and new types of missions, some more dangerous and different than others. All we are doing is adding some gameplay elements instead of straight sandbox all the time. But our system has a historical grounding based on real equipment and mission types, not make believe power ups etc. Does no one like a challenge any more? 

 

Also, we are giving you the IL-2 gunner mod as a thank you for pre-ordering early. We've done such rewards before in ROF for customer loyalty and support. Nothing new for us.

 

Jason

 

Sorry not everyone. 

 

Jason

 

 

Right on the Spot jason, if the Modifications are rewards on times or Kills, if the pilot is good, no matter if he got an special gun or something, he is going to kill you anyway, unless you try to be smarter than him, in ww2 there was not equally things. 

 

Its like in real war, you dont know what you gonna go against . and there was a plenty of MoD fields so the pilots must be smarter

Edited August 1, 2013 by .-RDS-.Manu_vc

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

some are just bored to death flying offline singleplyercampaign in a combatflightsim.........

[BraveSirRobin]

 

Sorry not everyone. 

 

Jason

 

Every comment I have seen from online players has been negative.  If you want to force online players to practice in an aircraft before they get features, count online accomplishments as practice.  

[ATAG_Slipstream]

some are just bored to death flying offline singleplyercampaign in a combatflightsim.........

Yes, its not something I ever play. I will have to just to unlock content it seems, but to me it will be an unenjoyable grind.Not really how I want to spend my limited gaming time.

[Zorin]

I'm pretty confident that I actually do comprehend what you are about.  

 

You feel that the unlocked gunner for premium buyers gives offline users advantages against the AI.  Pay to win.  What am I missing?

 

The final conclusion is the important bit you are missing. An advantage over the AI would mean faster progress through the campaign and in turn faster access to unlockable content. I don't think that that would be particularily fair towards the players who can't afford to buy in early whether it is by lack of funds or their joining of the game after the special offer has ended.

 

Though in the ned this is only relevant when the rear gunner option would be available right from the start of the IL-2 campaign for the guys who bought into this special. If it nly means allowing them to use in in online dogfight server environments, that would be less of a concern, though still an edge, as it would not entail faster access to other unlockable features in campaign mode.

[FuriousMeow]

You guys want to unlock mods that will turn your planes into wallowing turds against non-AI players?

 

You're better off with the non-mods. Maybe minus the Il2's rear gunner that is sitting in the open with no armor... that just died because he's in the open with no armor and you were flying straight with no situational awareness.

[ATAG_Slipstream]

You guys want to unlock mods that will turn your planes into wallowing turds against non-AI players?

 

You're better off with the non-mods. Maybe minus the Il2's rear gunner that is sitting in the open with no armor... that just died because he's in the open with no armor and you were flying straight with no situational awareness.

If he is anything like a RoF gunner he will put a bullet in your head whilst upside down at 300 kph...

[Zorin]

Ok, after page two I now know that answering a simple QUESTION about "A resulting in B or not" is already too much to ask. Fine with me. That is all I need to know.

[BraveSirRobin]

The final conclusion is the important bit you are missing. An advantage over the AI would mean faster progress through the campaign and in turn faster access to unlockable content. I don't think that that would be particularily fair towards the players who can't afford to buy in early whether it is by lack of funds or their joining of the game after the special offer has ended.

 

Though in the ned this is only relevant when the rear gunner option would be available right from the start of the IL-2 campaign for the guys who bought into this special. If it nly means allowing them to use in in online dogfight server environments, that would be less of a concern, though still an edge, as it would not entail faster access to other unlockable features in campaign mode.

 

People who are forced to play offline to unlock features for online play are going to be so aggravated by that fact that they're probably not going to notice the terrible unfairness of some people getting faster access to the IL2 gunner mod.

[FuriousMeow]

If he is anything like a RoF gunner he will put a bullet in your head whilst upside down at 300 kph...

 

 

Sure. I guess. Not happened to me though in the past 4 years.

[leitmotiv]

Every comment I have seen from online players has been negative.  If you want to force online players to practice in an aircraft before they get features, count online accomplishments as practice.  

 

Poll numbers 120 voted 31 likes it 79 dont like it 10 dont care about it (i know its not to many people from almost 6000 register on forum, but still...):

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/752-unlocking-mods-solo-career/

 

would be nice to know how russian players would vote also, didnt saw same poll at that forum

Edited August 1, 2013 by Yaklover

[BraveSirRobin]

How many of the 30 that like it play online only?

[leitmotiv]

my intent was not to disagree (also belewe almost all onliners dontlike this) with your statment in post i just added on it 

Edited August 1, 2013 by Yaklover

[CrazySchmidt]

Sorry not everyone. 

 

Jason

 

Well, you can add me to that list.

 

I would be paying the same purchase amount as everyone else, whether I play campaigns or not should not determine what content I have available within my preferred style of game play.

 

My experience over the years of playing IL-2 tells me that I am not the only one who plays this way, many people simply do not have the time to spend playing campaigns.

 

This is a poor decision IMO.

 

CS.

[Madov]

I am really looking forward to flying this IL2 ship - ground attack nirvana. It's what the original started with after all.

[Rjel]

It shouldn't be too many weeks until we get our hands on BoS. Then we'll know if it's a good compromise or the end of simming as we've known it. Til then I'm not going to get too worked up over it either way.

[Volkoff]

It looks like "pay to win" in offline mode.  The German AI pilots are probably contacting their AI lawyers to see if anything can be done to stop this.

 

[Mac_Messer]

Yes, its not something I ever play. I will have to just to unlock content it seems, but to me it will be an unenjoyable grind.Not really how I want to spend my limited gaming time.

Well to me a requirement to play offline for a certain amount of time just to be able to use a game feature online means just that - the feature is not available to me, because I`m not interested in offline. Unless ofcourse I pay more money over the standard edition, which means if you`re an onliner, you have to pay more to get the same content.

[DD_Arthur]

You guys want to unlock mods that will turn your planes into wallowing turds against non-AI players?

 

You're better off with the non-mods. Maybe minus the Il2's rear gunner that is sitting in the open with no armor... that just died because he's in the open with no armor and you were flying straight with no situational awareness.

 

This!!!   I've seen a lot of laughable stuff about mods making it pay to win on these boards but the truth of the matter is field mods/weapon mods add another interesting dimension to the sim but there is really very little tangible benefit in an online situation.

 

  Online in RoF, if you see a guy sporting an extra gun then go for him as the weight/drag penalty puts him at an immediate disadvantage.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

possible mods

Bf109F-4:

armoured windshield

no headarmour

gunpods

droptank

bombs

 

Yak-1:

bombs

rockets

lightweight (no Schkas, no tankprotection)

 

LaGG-3:

23mm canon

37mm canon

bombs

rockets

droptanks

 

about mods for the bombers, more guns, more bombvariants(?) - even more silly because what is abomber without itsbombs :D

 

just to consider..........

[Heywooood]

who knows...uprated engines? later mark bombsights? removed wheel fairings etc..

 

cant really consider much without inside access - but then I'm not as worried as some that having a few achievement awards is going to flood the planet with nerve gas and nuke it from orbit

Edited August 1, 2013 by Heywooood

[dburne]

Wow, this thread started out pretty good, and then...

All over a rear gunner mod and what has to be done to acquire it. Seriously...

 

Amazing.

 

Seriously, it does not matter how they chose to handle this particular mod and the ability to acquire it, the complaints would continue. Kind of a lose/lose I guess for 777.

 

And as others have said, if anything like ROF, a weapon mod is not all pros...

 

I am glad they have offered this, I will get it right away as I pre-ordered the premium edition ( and I certainly do not consider this paying to win in any form), but I seriously could care less whether I have this mod available to me or not. Once I am in that plane, learning the sim, dogfighting with it, learning to bomb, an AI gunner behind me will be the last thing on my mind.

 

And at this point in time, there is no way I think that anyone can make the statement that those with this mod will pretty much beat those without it.

[Volkoff]

Guys,

 

It's not pay to win, it's practice to win. This narrative that it is somehow pay to win is ridiculous no matter how much you try to spin it. It's a very simple concept, the more you play a certain type of aircraft the better you will get and be rewarded with more options and new types of missions, some more dangerous and different than others. All we are doing is adding some gameplay elements instead of straight sandbox all the time. But our system has a historical grounding based on real equipment and mission types, not make believe power ups etc. Does no one like a challenge any more? 

 

Also, we are giving you the IL-2 gunner mod as a thank you for pre-ordering early. We've done such rewards before in ROF for customer loyalty and support. Nothing new for us.

 

Jason

 

Sorry not everyone. 

 

Jason

 

In light of Jason's explanation, I am all for it. I do like a challenge. I certainly can't argue with practice to win or matching rewards to  achievements. I can't find fault with the team arming my IL2, either.

[BMW801]

Thank you, 777 for the IL2 tailgunner, the FW190 and the La-5. These will enhance my enjoyment of the simulation and make me glad that I spent the extra money for the premium edition. The videos look superb and I look forward to the release date

[OneEyedBob]

Thanks guys!

 

For the record, I myself love the career mode in RoF and play it far more than the other modes of play.

Edited August 2, 2013 by OneEyedBob

[Bearcat]

 

Some of you guys will find a way to complain about everything. 

 

Crazy isn't it...

 

One thing I'm not clear on and am becoming more uncertain about the more I read in this forum is, will all content be available to offline players who do not play campaigns.

 

The extent of my game play has and always will be quick mission/custom built mission game play only. I'm getting the impression that certain planes will only be available when unlocked as some sort of reward through successful campaign completion.

 

Can anyone clarify this for me?

 

Cheers, CrazySchmidt.

 

This is actually a very good question and it is a refreshing change from some of the banter going around in too many threads here lately..

 

Guys,

 

It's not pay to win, it's practice to win. This narrative that it is somehow pay to win is ridiculous no matter how much you try to spin it. It's a very simple concept, the more you play a certain type of aircraft the better you will get and be rewarded with more options and new types of missions, some more dangerous and different than others. All we are doing is adding some gameplay elements instead of straight sandbox all the time. But our system has a historical grounding based on real equipment and mission types, not make believe power ups etc. Does no one like a challenge any more? 

 

Also, we are giving you the IL-2 gunner mod as a thank you for pre-ordering early. We've done such rewards before in ROF for customer loyalty and support. Nothing new for us.

 

Jason

Well, you can add me to that list.

 

I would be paying the same purchase amount as everyone else, whether I play campaigns or not should not determine what content I have available within my preferred style of game play.

 

My experience over the years of playing IL-2 tells me that I am not the only one who plays this way, many people simply do not have the time to spend playing campaigns.

 

CS.

 

I am in your boat CS.. most of my offline flying is either in QMs or SMs.. I rarely do campaigns at all.. and I fly offline daily.. usually in the morning before I go to work.. Can this be clarified? Is it possible that the dve team could/would make the unlocks available for offline play period as opposed to just campaigns.. Make it so that it is based on time spent flying an aircraft offline period whether in a QM, SM or campaign?

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Well to me a requirement to play offline for a certain amount of time just to be able to use a game feature online means just that - the feature is not available to me, because I`m not interested in offline. Unless ofcourse I pay more money over the standard edition, which means if you`re an onliner, you have to pay more to get the same content.

and your an optimist? lol your avatar suggest that you are..

 

Mac_Messer

Member

• 
• Members
• Posts: 68

• Location:optimist

ah I see why your one of those CLOD guys...

Edited August 2, 2013 by Mastiff

[01Wingchaps]

Pre-ordered! And I went big, I felt it was that or go home! 

 

I'm glad to see the IL-2 getting the rear gunner. It makes it almost as cool as my preferred mount, the Stuka!

 

Just wouldn't have been right otherwise...

 

Now, I just have to wait for 'Autumn'... 

[Original_Uwe]

jeeze-louise!

Some people will complain about anything and everything.

How about this-I just came up with this just now so bear with me...

Why not pre-order the game, wait a month or so and then PLAY THE FRAKING THING before complaining?

OH OH OH! And then you can give suggestions to the devs based upon experience! Holy lord thats crazy, I know.

Edited August 2, 2013 by CWMV

[Dutch]

Hah! Nothing at all to do with mis-advertising, just a benevolent company looking after its customers. Good PR job fellas! Or as they say in Cricket, 'well held'.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I guess im glad Ive seen the light of the fun of campaigns.  All thanks to desastersoft and Clod.  Its perfect timing for me.  And Ill be happy as all get out to show up in a MP match with a skin I earned.  Like a new pair of shoes!  

 

   KEEP CALM

   PRE-ORDER