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[JG27_Steini]

@LukeFF Hi Luke,

 

we were told that the accouncement would come spring this year. We are allready deep into 2024. Do you have any information for us?

 

What might hold the informations back? 

 

Thank you

[Gambit21]

Surprise! It’s Korea.

 

 

[76IAP-Black]

Battle of Gulag 

[JG27_Steini]

59 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Surprise! It’s Korea.

 

Sure it is, then why dont they announce it? 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

Do you have any information for us?

 

Nothing other than what has been publically announced already. 🙂 

[JG300_Egon]

They have nothing to say for their faithful and very patient community ?

For 18 months (at least) the dev team has been work on next project... But until now they haven't communicate properly, just beatting around the bush.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2024 by JG300_Egon

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

Sure it is, then why dont they announce it? 

 

Avoiding the backlash, disappointment, and negative comments is my guess...🤣

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

Sure it is, then why dont they announce it? 

Probably because they don't want to make promises (e.g. about the aircraft lineup or the map size) that it eventually turns out they cannot keep. This has been discussed for ages already.

 

There's nothing special about games only being announced when they are relatively close to the release date. MSFS 2020 was announced a year ahead. MSFS 2024 was announced last June, and we know next to nothing about it. Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, a game I've been personally really looking forward to, has been in production for 6 years already and was only announced a week or two ago for a release date supposedly later this year. I don't see why IL2 should be any different.

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

@LukeFF Hi Luke,

 

we were told that the accouncement would come spring this year. We are allready deep into 2024. Do you have any information for us?

 

What might hold the informations back? 

 

Thank you

looks like some time in summer from this post:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/16874-обсуждение-версии-5203/?do=findComment&comment=917025

 

but it dosent realy mather if they anounce it today or in 2 years

 

 

[354thFG_Leifr]

5 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

 

Avoiding the backlash, disappointment, and negative comments is my guess...🤣

 

Just delaying the inevitable really...  🤗

[Aapje]

7 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

Sure it is, then why dont they announce it? 

 

From a marketing perspective it makes more sense to announce a whole bunch of improvements and to do so shortly before an (early access) release, so it looks impressive, not just to us, but to bring others to the game.

 

If they trickle out announcements, each of them would look nice, but it would be much less impressive and less likely to result in a buy as showing a whole bunch of stuff together and saying: we'll take your money, thank you very much.

[ST_Catchov]

6 hours ago, CountZero said:

looks like some time in summer from this post:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/16874-обсуждение-версии-5203/?do=findComment&comment=917025

 

Let them panic! Lol hilarious.

[Enceladus828]

7 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Probably because they don't want to make promises (e.g. about the aircraft lineup or the map size) that it eventually turns out they cannot keep.

I can understand waiting until it is absolutely certain that features such as improved aircraft systems DM like hydraulic failures, flap failures, etc. will be included to avoid having to backpedal later on like what happened with Drop Tanks and Air Marshal, but after over a year of development is the planeset, map dimensions and when e.g. 1950-51 or 1952-53 still not finalized? My patience has almost expired and at this point if the above is finalized then just announce it.

[Flying_Anchor]

11 часов назад, JG27_Steini сказал:

spring

Summer.

[EAF19_Marsh]

19 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

Battle of Gulag 

Ouch! That is - current world events - sailing close to the wind.

 

But, good one 😂

[Aapje]

10 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

My patience has almost expired and at this point if the above is finalized then just announce it.

 

If they announce things sooner, it will then just take longer between the announcement and release, so you'll just become impatient for the release.

[CountZero]

So if they do anounce it in summer, that probably means last days weeks of summer, at that time it will be 2 years since last DLC was relisedand they probably fully focused on making new game," IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Normandy was announced in November 2019 and released on September 7, 2022" . 2 years of work on new game is not long but when they are using this game engine and modifing it it should be good enough to have something to relise to play at anouncment, i dont expect we gona just get anouncment i expect they gona have something to sell at this point, map 3-4 airplanes MP servers and some quick mission stuff.

Its not secret for few of players still on forum that is gona be Korea from pictures they show, so no point to wait exept if they wont to make it big event, if they just anounce it now or few months ago and then relise something for players to buy later on it would not create big hype they aim for.

[AndyJWest]

6 minutes ago, Aapje said:

 

If they announce things sooner, it will then just take longer between the announcement and release, so you'll just become impatient for the release.

 

That, and the sooner they announce things, the less confident you can be that details won't change.

 

From a developer/publisher perspective, announcements need to be made when they stand to attract the most sales. Which generally involves getting a bust of publicity just prior to release, rather than a drip-drip of 'future plans' accompanied by the inevitable complaints about how it is taking so long.

[Yogiflight]

13 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

avoid having to backpedal later on like what happened with Drop Tanks and Air Marshal,

not to forget major AI overhaul, which was promised after an AI developer was hired at around the release of Battle of Kuban

[Enceladus828]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

 

If they announce things sooner, it will then just take longer between the announcement and release, so you'll just become impatient for the release.

All I’m asking here is the planeset, map dimension and timeframe finalized for the new project? If so then they can announce that, EA begins shortly later and then features which the devs right now aren’t fully sure will work as intended can be announced later.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

45 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

All I’m asking here is the planeset, map dimension and timeframe finalized for the new project? If so then they can announce that, EA begins shortly later and then features which the devs right now aren’t fully sure will work as intended can be announced later.

AndyJWest makes an excellent point when he says that announcing things too early is not always a good marketing decision. The one thing that a relatively large public will read is an announcement post; any following Dev Updates etc. will only be read by people who are already interested in your product. If you want to draw new people, you'd better make sure that especially the announcement will be as grand as possible with as many details about the project as you can manage. Again, there is nothing special in game development about only announcing projects close to their release date when you're almost certain about what will be in the final game.

 

Also, things such as the map dimensions and detail are very easy to adjust along the way and might depend on how fast the work progresses; i.e. if the map creation process goes faster than expected, they might extend the map area and vice versa.

[Avimimus]

The truth is that it might be unwise for them to cater to our impatience. We may be hardcore fans, and we may read every update, and still want more - but we aren't the entire market. Yes, we desire news (which is good), and we get frustrated by waiting (which is frustrating), but the picture is bigger than that.

 

Honestly, there have been indications that there would be a bigger delay between releases due to the amount of improvements they were implementing and the deeper work on the engine - that has been clear for many months. They've expanded the team and they are working on a very significant release - a release which they won't want to mess up. I wouldn't be surprised if they largely forgo early access this time - or at least wait until the project is relatively polished. They've also moved away from pre-ordering.

 

So I wouldn't be surprised if they don't start marketing until very close to release, and I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't some still time away.

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The one thing that a relatively large public will read is an announcement post; any following Dev Updates etc. will only be read by people who are already interested in your product. If you want to draw new people, you'd better make sure that especially the announcement will be as grand as possible with as many details about the project as you can manage.

I totally get this, it's just that we've been left very much in the dark about what we'll get in the next installment for well over a year now other than it will more than likely be Korea. While there are things that can be held off announcing till later, other things like the planeset and the timeframe e.g. early or late Korean War can be announced. Perhaps as you said not in a grand announcement to the large public but to those who frequent follow updates on the forum to keep us in the loop -- as the new ETA is now this summer and by extension as late as September -- and then later have a grand announcement with many details and features announced. 

🙂

Edited May 4, 2024 by Enceladus828

[Avimimus]

I think the last video and interviews make it relatively clear? The assets are post-war, and include aircraft that I believe only saw combat use in Korea. Furthermore, some of them are clearly piston engined designs (implying support for the beginning of the Korean War). So we know we'll get at least 1950.

 

There are plenty of open questions: The exact scope of the map. Whether they include the RAAF Meteor F.8 etc. But we know a lot about the engine and modelling improvements by now, as well as several of the aircraft types.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

I totally get this, it's just that we've been left very much in the dark about what we'll get in the next installment for well over a year now other than it will more than likely be Korea. While there are things that can be held off announcing till later, other things like the planeset and the timeframe e.g. early or late Korean War can be announced. Perhaps as you said not in a grand announcement to the large public but to those who frequent follow updates on the forum to keep us in the loop -- as the new ETA is now this summer and by extension as late as September -- and then later have a grand announcement with many details and features announced. 

🙂

Well yes, but I think we've already had such an announcement to those who follow the forum updates - albeit an unofficial one. We know a bit about the planeset from the few screenshots that have been released: at least a Corsair, Yak-9, IL-10, (AI-only?) B-29 and F-51. We know it's in an island-rich environment. We know there's a couple of ground vehicles that fit the Korean era.

 

I think this is pretty much as close to an announcement as one can get without actually officially announcing anything.

[Jaegermeister]

I believe the way the devs look at announcements is very simple to understand after many years of reading the constant glass half empty whining on the forums. They would rather hear the current player base complain about what they don't know than get the negative publicity from the same people complaining about what they do know.

 

Whether we already know what the new project is or not, it makes no difference whatsoever as to what we do right now on a daily basis.

[Jade_Monkey]

3 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

We know it's in an island-rich environment.

 

Do we? Where did they say or hint that?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

Do we? Where did they say or hint that?

From some of the screenshots in their December 30 video, when they are talking about the new title (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/86897-brief-room-episode-2-2023-in-review-plans-for-2024-a-glimpse-at-the-upcoming-title/)

 

Some relevant screencaps:

 

There's a couple more in the video; link above. I don't think these pictures fit the Odessa or Karelia regions, so then it's a logical conclusion they must depict the new map (especially since that's what they're talking about at the time).

 

I've also seen some people opine that the following is "Asiatic" architecture, but I'm not sure. They look like pretty generic buildings to me.

Edited May 5, 2024 by AEthelraedUnraed

[56RAF_phoenix56]

It really should be possible to geolocate this:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_2024_05/il2new1.jpg.41351c83f37cb0d994c68f53b21579bc.jpg

The sun is dead ahead, which means we're likely looking towards the southern half of the sky.

The main coastline seems quite well defined, with the islands largely parallel to the coast.

I think that means it's not the Gulf of Finland.

The trees look temperate or northern climate.

I thought it might be near Incheon, but the coastline isn't quite right, though much development has taken place.

Okinawa doesn't have enough small islands, the Kuril Islands or Sakhalin don't have enough small islands.

The buildings quoted above don't look like the ones you'd build on the ring-of-fire.

 

56RAF_phoenix

Edited May 5, 2024 by 56RAF_phoenix56
more speculation

[Jaegermeister]

2 hours ago, 56RAF_phoenix56 said:

It really should be possible to geolocate this:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_2024_05/il2new1.jpg.41351c83f37cb0d994c68f53b21579bc.jpgFetching info...

The sun is dead ahead, which means we're likely looking towards the southern half of the sky.

The main coastline seems quite well defined, with the islands largely parallel to the coast.

I think that means it's not the Gulf of Finland.

The trees look temperate or northern climate.

I thought it might be near Incheon, but the coastline isn't quite right, though much development has taken place.

Okinawa doesn't have enough small islands, the Kuril Islands or Sakhalin don't have enough small islands.

The buildings quoted above don't look like the ones you'd build on the ring-of-fire.

 

56RAF_phoenix

 

It is actually very easy to locate that image since we already know where to look. As you mentioned, the sun is to the south and it looks like late afternoon so we need a southern coastline with Islands... If we look just a short distance south of the Yalu River in "Mig Alley" on the southern coast of Korea, we find this...

 

 

Spoiler

 

Almost a perfect match, go figure. 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2024 by Jaegermeister

[56RAF_phoenix56]

I don't doubt you're roughly correct, but if that's Ka Island, where is the missing island off to the right in the game screenshot?

Also, where is the almost closed bay behind the right wing?

 

56RAF_phoenix

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

It is actually very easy to locate that image since we already know where to look. As you mentioned, the sun is to the south and it looks like late afternoon so we need a southern coastline with Islands... If we look just a short distance south of the Yalu River in "Mig Alley" on the southern coast of Korea, we find this...

 

 

  Hide contents

 

Almost a perfect match, go figure. 

 

 

Yak-9 and P-51 over some hilly tarain near sea, and bunch of islands... imposible to guess 😄

 

also that big building looks similar to left one on this pic:

Spoiler

 

Edited May 5, 2024 by CountZero

[PatrickAWlson]

On 5/3/2024 at 1:21 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Probably because they don't want to make promises (e.g. about the aircraft lineup or the map size) that it eventually turns out they cannot keep. This has been discussed for ages already.

 

There's nothing special about games only being announced when they are relatively close to the release date. MSFS 2020 was announced a year ahead. MSFS 2024 was announced last June, and we know next to nothing about it. Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, a game I've been personally really looking forward to, has been in production for 6 years already and was only announced a week or two ago for a release date supposedly later this year. I don't see why IL2 should be any different.

 

Love me some KCD 2.  KCD is the best RPG that I have ever played.  I could almost smell the forest, the town, the muck and manure.

 

Totally off topic, I know, but I figured since this topic is DOA it's not a big deal