Odessa speculations (research, aircraft, discussions etc.)

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

@sevenless Very interesting, thanks. I remember also that this engine had the  intake system on the outside of the cylinder banks, and the exhausts on the inside of the banks. A maintenance nightmare. I have no clue why they went that way.

 

But....we are getting a bit off topic ;).

[BlackSix]

9 hours ago, CzechTexan said:

I just did a quick refresh from Dmitry Loza's Attack of the Airacobras:

Spoiler

Pages 225-227: 

"For almost the entire month of Jun 1944, one of the regiments of 9th GIAD - 100th Guards- worked in the Jassy area from Likhneshti airfield.

...On 18 June this same regiment was transferred to Prizhani airfield...

Another regiment of 9th GIAD -16th Guards- was moved to Tedireni (spelling should be Todireni, 40-50 km north of Iasi/Jassy and Targu-Frumos) airfield, where it remained from 1 to 18 June 1944.

In late June 1944, 9th GIAD had to execute a transfer  between fronts , from 2nd Ukrainian Front to 1st Ukrainian Front, to participate in the Lvov-Sandomir operation (13 July to 30 August 1944).

 

Page 240: 

In May and June 1944 battles around Jassy, Romania, the fighter regiments of 9th GIAD were based on airfields at Stefaneshti and Todireni some forty-five to thirty miles from the front line.  The 100th GIAP flew to Prizhani (18 miles from the forward edge) in July.

 

In Red Star Airacobra by Evgeniy Mariinskiy:

P-39s of 129 GIAP fought in the Jassy area in April - June 1944.

Thanks a lot! The 9th GIAD of 7th IAK was part of the 5th Air Army from May 7 to July 6, 1944. P-39s are mentioned (as Airacobras) in the documents for June-July 1944. I'll explore this issue in more detail when I begin work on the project.

[CzechTexan]

5 hours ago, BlackSix said:

Thanks a lot! The 9th GIAD of 7th IAK was part of the 5th Air Army from May 7 to July 6, 1944. P-39s are mentioned (as Airacobras) in the documents for June-July 1944. I'll explore this issue in more detail when I begin work on the project.

I just ordered Glantz's Red Storm over the Balkans: The Failed Soviet Invasion of Romania, Spring 1944 which I've been wanting to get for years but never did.  Now, I figured I better get a heads up on the upcoming map.

 

The Red Army's invasion of Romania in April and May 1944 produced nearly 200,000 casualties.  Although Konev's and Malinovsky's offensives ultimately failed, the Red Army managed to inflict heavy losses on Axis forces.  Luftwaffe played a major role in stopping the Red Army.

[BlackSix]

Thanks for this book!

[Juri_JS]

5 hours ago, CzechTexan said:

I just ordered Glantz's Red Storm over the Balkans: The Failed Soviet Invasion of Romania, Spring 1944 which I've been wanting to get for years but never did.  Now, I figured I better get a heads up on the upcoming map.

I have Glantz book and will use it as a source for my planned JG 52 Dniestr bridgehead campaign. As usual Glantz focuses mostly on the Soviet side, but fortunately I also have some original German documents, for example parts of the war diary of the 6th Army. It's especially interesting to see how Soviet and German sources often paint a rather different picture of the same event. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by Juri_JS

[KodiakJac]

And we still desperately need a flyable Allied medium bomber for the Normandy and Bodenplatte maps.  The B-25 would be perfect.  It is the most beautiful medium bomber of WWII, and it's already in the game as an AI aircraft.

[LuftManu]

On 4/3/2024 at 6:50 PM, LukeFF said:

 

As others have said, probably later-model P-39s for one. Yaks, probably so but I'm not the expert on that. 

A later P-39 would be greatly welcomed!

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

15 hours ago, LuftManu said:

A later P-39 would be greatly welcomed!

And a P-40F and N.

[IckyATLAS]

What about having the Hungarian Fiat CR42 Falco who fought against the soviets. The devs love biplanes, so they could have one of the last fighter biplane here together with the I-15 Chaïka. We could have a Fiat CR42 and a Chaïka have an aerial combat. Next would be the Gloster Gladiator who would fit in the Normandy map.

Ideas, Ideas....

[BlitzPig_EL]

The Gladiator will have a use on the map being made by the Finnish team as well...

[Gambit21]

On 4/20/2024 at 2:51 AM, LuftManu said:

A later P-39 would be greatly welcomed!

It’s an underrated aircraft.

 

[Lusekofte]

50 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

an underrated aircraft.

Indeed. But honestly I do understand why. It was set upon a far more capable adversary early in PTO. 

 

[Gambit21]

56 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Indeed. But honestly I do understand why. It was set upon a far more capable adversary early in PTO. 

 

As long as things didn’t happen up high it gave as good as it got. That’s against Oscars and Zeros, and the Zero was more capable than almost any aircraft in the world at that point, especially in the Pacific. Point is, while outclassed the margin wasn’t too wide that capable pilots couldn’t score or at least get back alive.

[Lusekofte]

Yes you are right. But the pilots brought with it a bad reputation. I read a couple of well known ww2 aces stating they loved it. But I can’t name names because I am not sure

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

Brewster Buffalo and the BF109 G6 for Finland.

The crap planes thread at UBI and join the crape planes server via Hyperlobby!  😄 

 

Good times!

[IckyATLAS]

A 440(Width) x 350(Height) km map would have nicely have Odessa and Sebastopol covered to the eastern limit of the Kuban map.

It would also cover a nice Black Sea surface. This opens up a lot of mission possibilities in combination from one map to the other.

 

[Monty_Thrud]

jUsT sAy NOOO!!!...tO tHe BrEwStEr BuFfAlO...ugliest plane in teh world...

[kraut1]

14 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

As long as things didn’t happen up high it gave as good as it got. That’s against Oscars and Zeros, and the Zero was more capable than almost any aircraft in the world at that point, especially in the Pacific. Point is, while outclassed the margin wasn’t too wide that capable pilots couldn’t score or at least get back alive.

 

11 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Yes you are right. But the pilots brought with it a bad reputation. I read a couple of well known ww2 aces stating they loved it. But I can’t name names because I am not sure

I have now some experience with operating the available  P39 engine with realistic settings and due to the automatic Manifold Pressure Control it is from my point of view much more easier to use in Air Combat than the P40 engine, where the manifold pressure has to be checked and controlled frequently manually by the pilot.

https://youtu.be/MVYkqD_53Y4?si=_U5xUKvSxGmewR77

 

[parkerc341]

I am not sure which i am more excited for, Odessa or the Leningrad map... great to see the Eastern fronts getting love again.

[Lusekofte]

18 hours ago, parkerc341 said:

I am not sure which i am more excited for, Odessa or the Leningrad map... great to see the Eastern fronts getting love again.

Flew coop yesterday over kuban map. Long time since last time. I still think it is the best map

[EAF19_Marsh]

Kiev and Minsk / Smolensk would be good. Orel / Kursk as well.

[Mtnbiker1998]

On 4/25/2024 at 4:08 PM, Lusekofte said:

I read a couple of well known ww2 aces stating they loved it. But I can’t name names because I am not sure

Bud Anderson states in his book that he liked it, particularly its ground handling and the way he could roll the windows down! Granted, he switched to Mustangs when he made it to Europe, so who knows what he would have thought about it in combat. 

 

Regardless, I love the P-39 for its unique goofy charm, and I'd love more variants of it to fly in game (assuming they aren't crippled by engine timers) But I'd much rather fly them in the Pacific than on the Eastern Front...

[Lusekofte]

51 minutes ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Regardless, I love the P-39 for its unique goofy charm, and I'd love more variants of it to fly in game (assuming they aren't crippled by engine timers

It should get the love P 40 got. It still can’t take the BF 109 in speed and such but you can finally at least try

[PhilthySpud]

On 4/26/2024 at 5:27 PM, Monty_Thrud said:

jUsT sAy NOOO!!!...tO tHe BrEwStEr BuFfAlO...ugliest plane in teh world...

Mate! Have you never seen any French aircraft?

[CzechTexan]

On 4/26/2024 at 2:27 AM, Monty_Thrud said:

jUsT sAy NOOO!!!...tO tHe BrEwStEr BuFfAlO...ugliest plane in teh world...

 

11 hours ago, PhilthySpud said:

Mate! Have you never seen any French aircraft?

I'm sure the WW2 pilots thought the same but sometimes we don't get a choice in life.😭🙏

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

The Buffalo was far from the ugliest plane in the world.

 

Witness the General Aircraft Fleet Shadower...

[=621=Samikatz]

The worst looking fighter is by far the Caudron 714, surely. I don't think a single proportion on it is correct, it's just wrong

 

[Elem]

On 5/11/2024 at 5:56 PM, =621=Samikatz said:

The worst looking fighter is by far the Caudron 714, surely. I don't think a single proportion on it is correct, it's just wrong

 

It does have a certain..."je ne sais quoi".

[Avimimus]

On 5/11/2024 at 5:56 PM, =621=Samikatz said:

The worst looking fighter is by far the Caudron 714, surely. I don't think a single proportion on it is correct, it's just wrong

 

 

 

I actually always loved it when I was a kid... I found it pretty - so that goes to show that aesthetics differ between people greatly (I was never a fan of the B-17, for instance).

 

However, none of these aircraft served in Odessa (to my knowledge anyway) - so we're getting pretty off topic.

[Rudini]

hopefully we get some official news, soon.

i would buy this map/career even without any new aircaft.♥️

 

just love to fly over romania.

you russian developers might understand me - since i am born there as a german minority and lived the first 5 years there.

and no, i dont feel anything flying over german maps.

[gemanuel1]

What is the status on this atm? Will There be any news soon?

[Sonko]

good thought, I'd like to know aswell

[kraut1]

Do we have informations about more advanced russian AI tanks (T34 85mm, IS-2) for Odessa for late war missions?

I would use them together with the Yak-3 / La-7 in my Kurland (Courland Pocket) Mod.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/89214-kurland-kurzeme-194445-mod-v01/

 

[LukeFF]

In case anyone's not seen it yet, Han discusses what the plans are for Odessa in today's Dev Brief video with Gavrick.

[sevenless]

Now please speculate the heck what these eight aircraft might be...🤣

 

 

 

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, sevenless said:

Now please speculate the heck what these eight aircraft might be...🤣

 

 

 

 

Already announced: Yak-3, La-7, I-153, and Ju 87 D-5. 

 

And...? 🙂🙃😁

[Enceladus828]

Early LaGG-3 and Yak-1, Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2. BTW Luke, I think you meant Ju-87D-5 not the Ju-86.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

21 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Early LaGG-3 and Yak-1, Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2. BTW Luke, I think you meant Ju-87D-5 not the Ju-86.

We will get the Ju 86…. Luke said it, yes Luke said it, he said it 😅😅😅😅😅

 

High alt recon missions 💪🏻💪🏻

Thank you Luke, now 1cgs have the duty to build it…. 

( not a seriously post 😜 )

[Trooper117]

Is anyone going to do Murmansk?... it's the only eastern front map I'm really interested in to be honest.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

Early LaGG-3 and Yak-1, Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2. BTW Luke, I think you meant Ju-87D-5 not the Ju-86.

 

59 minutes ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

We will get the Ju 86…. Luke said it, yes Luke said it, he said it 😅😅😅😅😅

 

High alt recon missions 💪🏻💪🏻

Thank you Luke, now 1cgs have the duty to build it…. 

( not a seriously post 😜 )

 

Lol yes and this is why I hate typing on a phone. Fixed, thanks.