Star Citizen

[Gambit21]

On 1/10/2022 at 6:04 AM, J2_Oelmann said:

On the other hand Red dead redemption 2 took 8 years to develope by a complete established Studio which allready did part one, aswell as the GTA series. Cyberpunk took 9 years to reach its awefull release state and was done by the Witcher 3 dudes. Star citizen started 2010 literally in Chris Roberts basement. So I think the development time is indeed long but still allright giving its scope.

 

lol

Nice dry dude...but not buying it.

 

START CITIZEN - SQUADRON 42 STILL YEARS FROM LAUNCH

[Feathered_IV]

"also revealed that it planned to open a large studio in Manchester. The new studio is set to open in May 2022, with the company’s existing 400-strong team.. However, the company is expecting a quick expansion – its five-year plan seeing the team expand to 700 people by 2023"

 

I wonder if they can stick to that deadline, or if the relocation will drag on for years.

[Lusekofte]

6 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

"also revealed that it planned to open a large studio in Manchester. The new studio is set to open in May 2022, with the company’s existing 400-strong team.. However, the company is expecting a quick expansion – its five-year plan seeing the team expand to 700 people by 2023"

 

I wonder if they can stick to that deadline, or if the relocation will drag on for years.

They are going to almoust double the staff too, I was not aware they had 400 employees. I mean are people still giving them money? has this evolved into crypto currency?

[JamesJninFS]

On 1/10/2022 at 8:04 AM, J2_Oelmann said:

On the other hand Red dead redemption 2 took 8 years to develope by a complete established Studio which allready did part one, aswell as the GTA series. Cyberpunk took 9 years to reach its awefull release state and was done by the Witcher 3 dudes. Star citizen started 2010 literally in Chris Roberts basement. So I think the development time is indeed long but still allright giving its scope.

Depends on what you count as development time, a lot of that "dev time" in reality was just the creatives planning and scripting everything prior to full scale development, or waiting for resources to allow them to put it in to production. Cyberpunk for example was announced well before Witcher 3 came out, but reportedly didn't enter full development until after The Witcher was done. I don't know about RDR2, but I know GTA5 was similar, I think it was in development for five counting planning, but was only in full scale development for about three. Hollywood movies are similar, they often spend several years working out locations, getting the cast together, and detailing the script. The filming though takes a fraction of the time, usually somewhere between a couple of months to a year.

[SYN_Vander]

9 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

lol

Nice dry dude...but not buying it.

 

START CITIZEN - SQUADRON 42 STILL YEARS FROM LAUNCH

 

Incredible. All those mocaps they did of then 'famous' actors. I wonder if anyone will still remember them when it finally gets released? ?

[AndyJWest]

I think there was a typo in the game title. It was going to be just called 'Squadron', and '42' was the anticipated release date: 2042. Though I wouldn't count on it coming out that soon...

[RedKestrel]

3 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

Incredible. All those mocaps they did of then 'famous' actors. I wonder if anyone will still remember them when it finally gets released? ?

IIRC there were rumours a while back that a lot of the mocap was not even usable due to some glitch or problem with processing. I can't remember the details. It was never confirmed in any case, but it would not shock me in the slightest.

 

10 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

They are going to almoust double the staff too, I was not aware they had 400 employees. I mean are people still giving them money? has this evolved into crypto currency?

People still buy concept ships and all kinds of other stuff. I think they even sell little dashboard decorations for real money. Of course, 1000 dollars and a promise of a video game space ship is small potatoes in these days of NFTs.

[OrLoK]

A chum of mine worked with them for several years, never heard a peep out of him about secret goings on or undehand coverups.

 

Just like any project, stuff goes wrong sometimes.

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, OrLoK said:

A chum of mine worked with them for several years, never heard a peep out of him about secret goings on or undehand coverups.

 

Just like any project, stuff goes wrong sometimes.

 

I think it’s funny that you think some random employees would be ‘in the know’ about anything in any case.

[OrLoK]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I think it’s funny that you think some random employees would be ‘in the know’ about anything in any case.

well, he wasnt *just* a random employee.  He was a producer on Star Cit. I tend to trust him and have worked with him on a previous high profile PC release.

[Gambit21]

15 minutes ago, OrLoK said:

well, he wasnt *just* a random employee.  He was a producer on Star Cit. I tend to trust him and have worked with him on a previous high profile PC release.

 

I don’t doubt your trust in him.

I’m just saying that even as I producer he likely knows what he needs to know. That’s just how it generally works. He’s not CR.

 

That said there doesn’t have to be anything underhand. Just inept at the very least. I mean come on - with that budget?

[messsucher]

Sounds like Duke Nukem.

[JG7_X-Man]

So I took the SC plunge after years of doubt. Well I can only say wow! Amazing graphics!

[Gambit21]

34 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

So I took the SC plunge after years of doubt. Well I can only say wow! Amazing graphics!

 

Yeah that's pretty much the only thing to say.

[56RAF_Roblex]

I play it regularly. Have done for many years.  There is a lot  of fun to be had and 99% of the naysayers dont play so are really not a reliable source of info.  The last time the game crashed on me was probably about 6 months ago.

 

On 2/7/2022 at 2:50 AM, LuseKofte said:

They are going to almoust double the staff too, I was not aware they had 400 employees. I mean are people still giving them money? has this evolved into crypto currency?

 

That was just the Manchester office.  I think they have offices in about 5 or 6 cities in Europe and the USA. I know there is one in Frankfurt and one in LA and Austin and Montreal.    They already have 700 staff so I think moving to Manchester will take them up to around 1000

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I play it regularly. Have done for many years.  There is a lot  of fun to be had and 99% of the naysayers dont play so are really not a reliable source of info.  The last time the game crashed on me was probably about 6 months ago.

 

 

That was just the Manchester office.  I think they have offices in about 5 or 6 cities in Europe and the USA. I know there is one in Frankfurt and one in LA and Austin and Montreal.    They already have 700 staff so I think moving to Manchester will take them up to around 1000

 

Oh come on.

You've been a water-carrier for this company for years.

 

https://massivelyop.com/2022/01/11/star-citizen-and-squadron-42-are-still-many-years-away-cig-confirms/

 

 

[Trooper117]

Oh well... this certainly tops ''2 weeks''.

 

[JG7_X-Man]

Star Citizen is amazing! From playing online in multiplayer (Co-Op), singleplayer(...excluding offline campaign - that's Squadron 42) to the Persistent Universe.

If you accept that you are playing an alpha, you can't be disappointed.

 

@Gambit After spending 4 hours I can definitely say that Star Citizen is just as fun as IL-2 BoX, only different.

 

@56RAF_Roblex You are 100% correct! Those haters remind me of myself years ago. When boarding a commercial aircraft, I would sinker at 1st class passengers while making my way to the main cabin. "Why would someone throw money away to sit in 1st class just to get to the same destination at the same time", I would ask. Until I became one of those passengers LOL. The perks are awesome! 

 

I like the idea of a Persistent Universe and this idea will take time!

 

Imagine if we could play IL-2 BoX: Online Campaign in an IL-2 Persistent Universe.

• Wake up in your bunk, get dress and walk to your plane, takeoff fly a mission and land, hang at a pub then make your way back to your barracks and log off.
• Wake up in your bunk, get dress and walk to your plane, takeoff fly a mission, get shot down over friendly territory make back to your base in fps mode.
• Wake up in your bunk, get dress and walk to your plane, takeoff fly a mission, get shot down over enemy territory and fight your way back to base in fps mode.
• Wake up in your bunk, get dress and walk to your plane, takeoff fly a mission, get shot down over friendly/enemy territory but make back to a friendly base, but not yours (you login at the front desk and hang at a pub then make your way back to the barracks and log off).
• Wake up at the same friendly base from the day before, get dress and walk to your plane, takeoff fly a mission etc...
• Wake up in your bunk, get dress and walk to your plane, takeoff (you forgot to ask for service) develop engine trouble...crash die.
• Wake up in a hospital and you have lost your points and now your have to start from the beginning as a  pilot officer etc...

If you were just injured - you wake up at a hospital but don't loose your points (ranks etc..).

 

You have consequences for your actions and CI needs a powerful set of servers to handle this huge multiplayer endeavor. Sorry one can be skeptical about the concept - but the progress is there.

 

For anyone to think SC is just an arcade game with a choice of fps or flight mode - you are grossly mistaken. In this case, your ignorance is not bliss LOL.

 

Also, if you have a B spec PC, don't bother - you will get frustrated!

[DD_Crash]

Half a billion dollars, ten years and still an alpha with one system not the 110 promised to be delivered many years ago. Chris Roberts and family thank you very much.

[Lusekofte]

I bought the most expensive ship they had years ago.

I have no idea what to do with it

[DD_Crash]

I think that the main game is "melting" your ship and shuffling the assets about. Or so I have been told by some Star Citizens.

[AndyJWest]

3 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

I think that the main game is "melting" your ship and shuffling the assets about. Or so I have been told by some Star Citizens.

 

Money laundering, only with imaginary spaceships you've paid real cash for?

[DD_Crash]

I dont know what is really going on. It can be quite entertaining to wonder why people still believe what CIG say is definitely going to happen in the next year, having failed to deliver so much so far. Just give us another million dollars so we can make your dreams come true.

[56RAF_Roblex]

I am not trying to convince anyone, if you don't want to try it then that is OK, but for me references to 'Still in Alpha' and 'Not meeting promised deadlines' and 'People have invested millions' are an irrelevance. 

 

My perspective is that for someone coming into the game with no knowledge of how long it has been in development or what Chris Roberts promised all those years ago,  what you get for £50 is a very playable and fun game that already does things no other game can do. The fact that it is called an Alpha' just means 'We have not finished making it even better than you expected when you joined' and personally I would be happy if it stayed in alpha indefinitely because that just means it would not stop improving.  You will notice that I said 'For £50'.  This is because the fact that some people spending hundreds or even thousands on the game does not alter the fact that it just costs £50  and there is no need to spend more. It not one of those games where you can get in cheaply but you will never progress unless you spend more.  Having a bigger ship does not make the game more enjoyable and there is nothing to 'Win' so no advantage to a bigger ship plus if you want a bigger ship then just buy it in-game with in-game money.  

Now let me address the *real* negatives.  Being alpha means that there are lots of new patches and sometimes a new patch will introduce a bug.  That happens in IL2 as well but the bugs can be more serious in Star Citizen and detract from your enjoyment. They fix the major issues with hotfixes the same as IL2 does but it can be frustrating for a few weeks. The feature creep can be frustrating as they are often more interested in adding a new ship or new game play component than fixing a bug that has been irritating people for months.  Sometimes I just wish they would stop 'advancing' and just fix all the current niggles but their argument is that it is not worth spending time on making everything perfect when the next big advance might just break them again anyway.   They can still only support 50 people at a time so everyone is split into different servers until they can get the code in place to join them all seamlessly.

 

Gotta go but I will end more negatives later.  Before you flame me for enjoying the game,  remember that all I am doing is explaining why *I* enjoy the game but certain people seem to get enraged by the fact that anyone can enjoy a game they have unilaterally declared 'No Fun' ?

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I am not trying to convince anyone, if you don't want to try it then that is OK, but for me references to 'Still in Alpha' and 'Not meeting promised deadlines' and 'People have invested millions' are an irrelevance. 

 

My perspective is that for someone coming into the game with no knowledge of how long it has been in development or what Chris Roberts promised all those years ago…' 

Stopped reading right there.

Sorry, but “it’s great as long as you don’t know about all of the years and money” doesn’t fly here. With that kind of goal-post moving I can justify anything. “Hey anyone who doesn’t know about all of the heads in the fridge would love Jeffery Dahmer!”

?

I paid for Squadron 42 going on 10 years ago. Where is it? Sorry but no amount of water-carrying, apologists mental gymnastics justifies what CR is doing. It’s corruption at worst, ineptitude at best - the end.

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

14 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Stopped reading right there.

Sorry, but “it’s great as long as you don’t know about all of the years and money” doesn’t fly here. With that kind of goal-post moving I can justify anything. “Hey anyone who doesn’t know about all of the heads in the fridge would love Jeffery Dahmer!”

?

I paid for Squadron 42 going on 10 years ago. Where is it? Sorry but no amount of water-carrying, apologists mental gymnastics justifies what CR is doing. It’s corruption at worst, ineptitude at best - the end.

 

 

Ah. Now I see where all your rage is coming from.   If I had paid based on playing SQ42 then I would also be very annoyed.  That is a fair grievance and if I was you then no amount of clever new functionality in Star Citizen would alter my annoyance.  I would probably be demanding that they stop all progress on Star Citizen and put every developer on SQ42 to get it finished immediately.  I am not interested in SQ42 and have not ordered it though so it is not a factor for me.

[Gambit21]

To be fair I’m not enraged or anything close - I just call it like I see it in this thread. I’m glad you’re enjoying SC, (I purchased and at one time installed this as well) but he won’t see another penny from me.

[JG7_X-Man]

4 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

I bought the most expensive ship they had years ago.

I have no idea what to do with it

Well let's log on and play bro! 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Stopped reading right there.

Sorry, but “it’s great as long as you don’t know about all of the years and money” doesn’t fly here. With that kind of goal-post moving I can justify anything. “Hey anyone who doesn’t know about all of the heads in the fridge would love Jeffery Dahmer!”

?

I paid for Squadron 42 going on 10 years ago. Where is it? Sorry but no amount of water-carrying, apologists mental gymnastics justifies what CR is doing. It’s corruption at worst, ineptitude at best - the end.

 

So I with you on that Squadron 42 is still pie in the sky! I am sure you can ask for a refund and put it towards something else. 

[Koziolek]

I can see it's been a year since the last post. Has anything changed with a game?

[Gambit21]

Squadron 42 still doesn’t exist, nor is likely too…so nope.

[RedeyeStorm]

I read the recent patch notes 3.18.1. What I found amusing is that the list with known issues as a result of the patch is longer than the fixes. I did try it a couple times with free acces but I am nog 'getting' it.

 

A shame really. It looks great, got good ideas but I not such a fan of only online play.